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Bailey Guns
07-05-2016, 09:39
Go figure. Most corrupt, dishonest person I've ever seen and she won't be facing charges. I've lost total faith in our system...even though I hoped for a different outcome I'd pretty much resigned myself to this. Comey won't recommend charges. Disgusting. Our country is now a country of men (or women, in this case) and no longer a country of laws.

Fuck this.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/05/fbi-recommends-no-charges-to-be-filed-against-clinton.html?intcmp=hpbt1

RblDiver
07-05-2016, 09:40
I have no idea how Comey went to "Yeah, there's evidence she sent and received classified emails, including ones that were marked as such, on an insecure system....but she shouldn't face charges."

Zundfolge
07-05-2016, 09:43
This is the moment we're going to look back on and say "yeah, that's when we should have risen up and overthrown these people" long after its too late.

Bailey Guns
07-05-2016, 09:46
The FBI just became irrelevant for the common person. It's going to be difficult to ever again trust anything said or done by the FBI. Nothing more than a political tool for democrats and liars and thieves now.

Bailey Guns
07-05-2016, 09:52
The "Great Experiment" is officially over and it failed. This is a sad, sad day in our brief history.

Dave_L
07-05-2016, 09:56
I bet Bernie is the most upset. There's goes his chance of getting the nomination.

KevDen2005
07-05-2016, 09:57
We definitely saw this coming

speedysst
07-05-2016, 10:02
“The system doesn’t go after them because they run the system." Funny this happened so soon after the "visit" on a plane.

Rumline
07-05-2016, 10:02
Ironic that this is announced the day after we celebrate our founding principles.

I expected nothing less, but it's still a huge disappointment. What disappoints me the most is that the majority of people simply don't care about her gross negligence. I've talked to more than one person who thinks that things are only classified in order to hide government abuses, so compromising classified information is morally justified.

Meanwhile, Hillary be like [goFyourself]

Aloha_Shooter
07-05-2016, 10:21
I used to think highly of Comey. I don't understand how he got to this other than I'm sure there were about 50,000 megatonnes of pressure coming from the White House. Does it do any good to yell, "Fix!!!" ?

Martinjmpr
07-05-2016, 10:23
What's funny is that the FBI is saying that there's no evidence that she "intended to violate the law."

Really?

I handled classified information in the military and I'm pretty sure that if Top Secret documents were found on my personal laptop, the mere fact that I knowingly possessed them and knowingly transferred them to my personal computer would be enough to show that I did, in fact, intend to violate the law.

If Trump was a serious candidate (and I'm convinced he's not) then his campaign would be trotting out people who got prosecuted for doing the same thing Hillary did and asking why there's one standard for her and another for everyone else.

MarkCO
07-05-2016, 10:24
"Well kids, it was all a farce in the first place. If you have enough money, influence, threats, the system won't hold you accountable. If you think you can get that kind of money and a pass for criminal acts being a Christian white middle class male...think again. For you, the only path is to be above reproach because, in reality, you have targets on your backs."

That is what I told my boys this morning when they asked why HRC gets a pass.

We watched "33" and "Concussion" this weekend, and have "13 hours" sitting on the coffee table.

KestrelBike
07-05-2016, 10:27
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-910-knowingly-and-willfully

Good to know this means jack shit now.

Martinjmpr
07-05-2016, 10:28
Actually this is somewhat worse than what I figured would happen. I thought that what would happen is that some low level flunky would step up and say "I'm the one who told Hillary it was OK to have classified documents on a private server" and then that person would get a little slap on the pee pee and it would all be over.

But for them to say there was "no intent to violate the law" is laughable when you consider what would have happened to Joe Blow, GS-11 intel analyst at the NSA if he had done something similar.

Bailey Guns
07-05-2016, 10:36
Pretty much means that EVERYTHING we've ever learned or been taught about our system of government has been a lie. This isn't what this country was founded upon. That obviously died a long time ago. Now it's all about money, power, corruption and influence. If you have any one of those in the right amount you, and anyone you care about, is above the law.

DireWolf
07-05-2016, 10:40
What impact might this have for unrelated cases, something like a basic manslaughter defense or similar? "Well, FBI Director on record saying no intent to violate law then no charges are applicable...etc., etc.,...", or some similar undermining of existing processes....

I guess my real thought is what the potential near-term (long term is likely vastly increased likelihood of large scale chaos and anarchy) cascade effects of this travesty will be....

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Rumline
07-05-2016, 10:51
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-910-knowingly-and-willfully

Good to know this means jack shit now.
No, it still has a very real meaning. The only people it doesn't apply to are those belonging to the oligarchy. Anybody else will be nailed to the cross for violating that law.

WETWRKS
07-05-2016, 10:52
Rule of law is dead

roberth
07-05-2016, 10:54
I was hoping we had someone in Comey who served the people........but we don't.

Rumline
07-05-2016, 10:57
What's funny is that the FBI is saying that there's no evidence that she "intended to violate the law."

Really?

I handled classified information in the military and I'm pretty sure that if Top Secret documents were found on my personal laptop, the mere fact that I knowingly possessed them and knowingly transferred them to my personal computer would be enough to show that I did, in fact, intend to violate the law.
Intent isn't even required. Gross negligence will (should) also get you convicted.


If Trump was a serious candidate (and I'm convinced he's not) then his campaign would be trotting out people who got prosecuted for doing the same thing Hillary did and asking why there's one standard for her and another for everyone else.Good point. Will be interesting to see what Trump does with this. The two tweets he's made so far are pretty underwhelming.

davsel
07-05-2016, 11:00
http://f.tqn.com/y/politicalhumor/1/S/Z/7/5/hillary-clinton-dancing.gif

vossman
07-05-2016, 11:00
[fail]

JohnTRourke
07-05-2016, 11:02
You know for years I've been making the point that we live in a banana republic. And for years many have responded how great America is and how i'm totally off base. Uh huh. I'm glad to see that at least some people's eyes have been opened.

It's also good to know that the rule of law is dead.

You really don't want me to be a criminal, you're not going to like me as a criminal.

Grant H.
07-05-2016, 11:16
Completely expected.

Not even worth the raising of an eyebrow...

Now, even more so, we need to convince any/all conservatives to vote for Trump and not waste their vote on some useless third party, and thereby give the election to Hillary...

Squeeze
07-05-2016, 11:22
Completely expected.

Not even worth the raising of an eyebrow...

Now, even more so, we need to convince any/all conservatives to vote for Trump and not waste their vote on some useless third party, and thereby give the election to Hillary...

^^^THIS.

68Charger
07-05-2016, 11:28
I'll throw a tin foil hat theory out there, just for giggles (not that I believe it, just thinking about the circumstances and timing)

They have thrown this out there as such a blatant, corrupt, obvious disregard for the rule of law in an attempt to incite a right-wing "terrorist" to act... since they have been unable to get one to surface without poking the bear.

I find it much more likely that they either threatened, bribed, coerced or blackmailed Comey in order to get what they want... it's what the Klintons do.

spqrzilla
07-05-2016, 11:31
I'm baffled only by the many people who seem to think that the FBI ever had any integrity.

Zundfolge
07-05-2016, 11:35
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a9YYo1L_460s.jpg

Bailey Guns
07-05-2016, 11:41
I'm baffled only by the many people who seem to think that the FBI ever had any integrity.

No. I don't buy that for a second. We've never seen corruption of this magnitude and this widespread by our highest government officials before. Hell...they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

hurley842002
07-05-2016, 12:02
I cannot say I'm surprised, disappointed yes, surprised no.

I will say this, the outrage on Facebook is like I've never seen it before. I follow the FBI on FB, they posted about the decision and there isn't one positive comment towards them.

KestrelBike
07-05-2016, 12:02
Intent isn't even required. Gross negligence will (should) also get you convicted.

Good point. Will be interesting to see what Trump does with this. The two tweets he's made so far are pretty underwhelming.
Petraeus is not the best example because he actively gave those emails to his mistress. I want to hear about the others that have actually been tried and convicted for the same things hillary did.

davsel
07-05-2016, 12:17
Petraeus is not the best example because he actively gave those emails to his mistress. I want to hear about the others that have actually been tried and convicted for the same things hillary did.
https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press-releases/2015/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materials

Martinjmpr
07-05-2016, 12:20
They knew this would cause a sh*tstorm so they pushed to get it released as soon as possible. They also know that "the public" has the attention span of a 2 year old. By this time next month the news will all be about the republican and dem conventions, some international crisis or another mass shooting. Either way, by November this will be old news to all but a few die hard Hillary-haters, so this was well played by the Clintons.

Skip
07-05-2016, 12:22
You know for years I've been making the point that we live in a banana republic. And for years many have responded how great America is and how i'm totally off base. Uh huh. I'm glad to see that at least some people's eyes have been opened.

It's also good to know that the rule of law is dead.

You really don't want me to be a criminal, you're not going to like me as a criminal.

It will continue until we stop it. This very incident demonstrates democracy can't heal itself (yes, I know we are not a democracy).

The problem is we are forced to support the system that is destroying us and seem to be unwilling to defund/disarm that system.

Squeeze
07-05-2016, 12:39
No. I don't buy that for a second. We've never seen corruption of this magnitude and this widespread by our highest government officials before. Hell...they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

Funny you say that. Just minutes ago my supervisor said those exact words. I truly fear where we are headed as a country.

Bailey Guns
07-05-2016, 12:47
I will say this, the outrage on Facebook is like I've never seen it before. I follow the FBI on FB, they posted about the decision and there isn't one positive comment towards them.

I must've skimmed thru 2000 comments. Every one was against the decision. I hope the outrage lasts thru November.

If there's a silver lining to this it will be that it's the last straw for anyone on the fence over which way to vote.

KestrelBike
07-05-2016, 12:59
https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press-releases/2015/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materials
Bingo, thanks.

hurley842002
07-05-2016, 13:16
I must've skimmed thru 2000 comments. Every one was against the decision. I hope the outrage lasts thru November.

If there's a silver lining to this it will be that it's the last straw for anyone on the fence over which way to vote.

Yup same here, and after digging a bit further, many were Bernie supporters....

MrPrena
07-05-2016, 13:17
DOn't they have lots of conspiracies (or real murder) when they were governor of AK?

68Charger
07-05-2016, 13:39
DOn't they have lots of conspiracies (or real murder) when they were governor of AK?

A Klinton was never Gov. of Alaska... you're thinking of AR (Arkansas)

it didn't stop then... http://www.nachumlist.com/hillarydeadpool.htm (latest was John Ashe, who "accidentally" crushed his own throat right before he was to testify against Hillary.)

Obama has his own dead pool, too: http://www.nachumlist.com/deadpool.htm

Rumline
07-05-2016, 14:01
Not to be a defeatist, but the problem is the system fully controls 1) the forced indoctrination of our youth (federal education) and 2) the most important aspect - the government controls and intercept every aspect and type of communication in interests of self preservation. If and when people want to organize and take action - even nonviolently - the gov't is already looking into them when they become a group of just two people. There is no physical way to organize anything once you've turned over control of this critical vestment and of this magnitude to the government, and it is why it was incorporated within the intent of the first amendment - the most important amendment.
Exactly. This is what kills me about the retards among our ranks who see no problem with the Patriot Act, or with forcing companies to provide backdoors in encryption. Cuz you know, terrorists are scary & such, so we should forever relinquish our free speech and association protections.

Rucker61
07-05-2016, 14:13
Full speech transcript:

http://time.com/4393372/james-comey-fbi-hillary-clinton-email-speech-transcript/

Landsknecht
07-05-2016, 14:15
Lock and Load boys, come January the shit that hits the fan is going to be real.

Skip
07-05-2016, 14:33
Not to be a defeatist, but the problem is the system fully controls 1) the forced indoctrination of our youth (federal education) and 2) the most important aspect - the government controls and intercept every aspect and type of communication in interests of self preservation. If and when people want to organize and take action - even nonviolently - the gov't is already looking into them when they become a group of just two people. There is no physical way to organize anything once you've turned over control of this critical vestment and of this magnitude to the government, and it is why it was incorporated within the intent of the first amendment - the most important amendment.

Face the facts folks, in America, we do not have the right to organize, non-violently or especially violently when it's against the current of our government's wishes.

*this post is not made to advocate positions of e.g., revolution, dissension or anarchy, it is simply an observation that there exists no present capability for any group regardless of the position they express.

*I too was suggesting a nonviolent response, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Good points/thoughts!

1. We have funded that system and allowed it to be taken from us. We have supported (through our labor/lifestyles) the institutionalization of every member of the family which has created absent parents and values gaps. The gov has filled that gap.

Gov/teachers unions may hold the reigns but we are the horses. It doesn't work without us. How many of those professional educators would work for free and for how long? The NEA is a passthrough entity for the DNC. It becomes worthless without the millions it "contributes" back to Dems.

Take education back and fill the gap. If a household can't do it (single parent/unique needs) there's no reason why we couldn't have private schools. Are millennials lost? Maybe. I know some good young people who aren't lost but I suspect most are professional takers. And if young people can't be saved do we really want to maintain a system that gives takers disproportionate representation over those of us who work?


2. Disengagement requires a minimal amount of organization/communication. The real challenge would be after... How to make sure people get what they need to get by. The gov can monitor whatever they like. That is local logistics work. None of it is illegal. Good luck!

Is it also (currently) not illegal to stop working. It is not illegal to stop buying Chinamart shit. It's not even illegal to stop paying your mortgage.

~90 million Americans carry the weight for 320 million. Assume 50% of the 90M absolutely hate what is happening (I think it's higher). Imagine the impact of 45 million Americans disengaging...

Housing market?
Stock market/corp earnings?
Tax revenue?
Ability to write and service debt?
Gov pensions (yikes, that too)?


Lots of pain. But if a person thinks that starting a second civil war is appropriate (not saying they should), why shouldn't a plan like this be tried first?

We all see the ship is sinking. We were just told to get back below and feed the boilers. What will we do?

GunsRBadMMMMKay
07-05-2016, 14:38
Sooo.....come Feb 2017 it will be Furher, i mean Presidante Clinton?

roberth
07-05-2016, 15:25
66098

wctriumph
07-05-2016, 15:26
We can still win the oval office, I will not concede it yet.

I watched the president campaigning for hillbilly and it made me physically ill to listen to the BS that was spewing forth.

It may be that things will get worse before they get better, I will still continue to stand for freedom.

Bailey Guns
07-05-2016, 16:18
Something is rotten in Denmark. And I'm not just talking about the stench from Hillary. Everything I've read and heard indicates Comey laid out the groundwork for a prosecution, basically defining how Clinton did violate the law, and then decides there isn't "evidence" sufficient for a prosecution. Rudy Giuliani has a great video on Fox that explains all this.

All this leads me to believe Comey is somehow being pressured, or ordered, to do this a certain way. Of course, if he had a sack, he would've told Obama or Lynch or whomever, to go pack sand. But it sounds like he might be dropping clues that this wasn't his decision. I don't know...maybe that's just wishful thinking he isn't as corrupt as the others in this fiasco.

Another point Giuliani made is the statute of limitations won't expire on this before the next president is sworn it. That alone should be reason enough to vote for Trump. I'm hoping he'll find a way to prosecute that evil bitch if he's elected.

Grant H.
07-05-2016, 16:26
Something is rotten in Denmark. And I'm not just talking about the stench from Hillary. Everything I've read and heard indicates Comey laid out the groundwork for a prosecution, basically defining how Clinton did violate the law, and then decides there isn't "evidence" sufficient for a prosecution. Rudy Giuliani has a great video on Fox that explains all this.

All this leads me to believe Comey is somehow being pressured, or ordered, to do this a certain way. Of course, if he had a sack, he would've told Obama or Lynch or whomever, to go pack sand. But it sounds like he might be dropping clues that this wasn't his decision. I don't know...maybe that's just wishful thinking he isn't as corrupt as the others in this fiasco.

Another point Giuliani made is the statute of limitations won't expire on this before the next president is sworn it. That alone should be reason enough to vote for Trump. I'm hoping he'll find a way to prosecute that evil bitch if he's elected.

Even if he is, he should sack up and do his job.

hurley842002
07-05-2016, 16:38
I think there were a lot more folks paying attention to this than I gave the country credit for, people from all walks of life, all political affiliations. This is a slap in the face to the whole country, and I think the only people not infuriated with the decision right now, are the staunch extreme leftist Hillary supporters. Some may recall I posted a few months ago, that I have a very liberal mother in law, and even she didn't know who she was going to vote for because "Hillary can't be trusted" and "Bernie wants free college, when I've dished out hundreds of thousands of dollars to send my girls to college". As much as it pains me to say this, there are still some Democrats that have a little bit of moral decency, and know some things are right, and some things are wrong (even if they hate guns, and other conservative ideals, but that's another topic). Will these folks still be angry come November? I don't know, but we'll soon find out.

Gman
07-05-2016, 18:02
I'm kind of surprised by the 'surprise' of this announcement. This is Obama's DoJ and there's no accountability for the ruling elite. Many of us knew this was coming.

BPTactical
07-05-2016, 18:06
I'm kind of surprised by the 'surprise' of this announcement. This is Obama's DoJ and there's no accountability for the ruling elite. Many of us knew this was coming.

Ayup!

Some animals are in fact more equal than others.
Proven this day, 07/05/2016 by the FBI and DOJ.




We are no longer a nation of laws.....

Gman
07-05-2016, 18:15
We are no longer a nation of laws.....
We're still a nation of laws. We just have courts saying they mean something other than what's spelled out in the supporting documentation and the plain english in them. Then you add in some selected enforcement of millions of pages of law...and WHAMMO! Here we are.

Skip
07-05-2016, 18:17
Something is rotten in Denmark. And I'm not just talking about the stench from Hillary. Everything I've read and heard indicates Comey laid out the groundwork for a prosecution, basically defining how Clinton did violate the law, and then decides there isn't "evidence" sufficient for a prosecution. Rudy Giuliani has a great video on Fox that explains all this.

All this leads me to believe Comey is somehow being pressured, or ordered, to do this a certain way. Of course, if he had a sack, he would've told Obama or Lynch or whomever, to go pack sand. But it sounds like he might be dropping clues that this wasn't his decision. I don't know...maybe that's just wishful thinking he isn't as corrupt as the others in this fiasco.

Another point Giuliani made is the statute of limitations won't expire on this before the next president is sworn it. That alone should be reason enough to vote for Trump. I'm hoping he'll find a way to prosecute that evil bitch if he's elected.

It reminds me of the Roberts/ACA decision in which Roberts found a "third way" to straddle the issue yet still gave Obama what he wanted. With the ACA it was "it's a tax!"

With this, Comey manufactured a requirement (intent) while admitting she did indeed violate the law. And they haven't even gotten in the Clinton Foundation yet which was the whole point of using an email server outside the reach of FOIA.

jhood001
07-05-2016, 18:28
Something is rotten in Denmark. And I'm not just talking about the stench from Hillary. Everything I've read and heard indicates Comey laid out the groundwork for a prosecution, basically defining how Clinton did violate the law, and then decides there isn't "evidence" sufficient for a prosecution. Rudy Giuliani has a great video on Fox that explains all this.

All this leads me to believe Comey is somehow being pressured, or ordered, to do this a certain way. Of course, if he had a sack, he would've told Obama or Lynch or whomever, to go pack sand. But it sounds like he might be dropping clues that this wasn't his decision. I don't know...maybe that's just wishful thinking he isn't as corrupt as the others in this fiasco.



A simple threat of having one's career absolutely destroyed can be pressure enough for a lot of people. Or maybe Comey likes men, or has a mistress or any one of a million other things that would have him crucified by a large portion of the public. You know... those clean living folks (that don't exist).

The Clinton Foundation probably spends as much time investing in dirt digging as they do in anything else.

I undoubtedly believe that he was pressured and swayed. Maybe he's got some skeletons. Or maybe he is just as irresponsible as 90% of Americans and he's financially backed himself into a corner and keeping his job (or A job) is the only thing that can keep him floating. Or maybe he did a few things he shouldn't have to reach the office he holds.

We'll never know now that he has toed the line.

Regardless, I don't believe for a second that he made this decision on his own and in good conscience.

sellersm
07-05-2016, 18:29
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a9YYo1L_460s.jpg

It should read "But I want Trump to lose"...

Aardvark
07-05-2016, 18:34
Is it too late to dig up J.Edgar Hoover?

sellersm
07-05-2016, 18:39
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a9YYo1L_460s.jpg


Or this, "But I don't like lifting weights"...



(reference to Dr. John Ashe's mysterious death for those not aware)

DavieD55
07-05-2016, 18:39
Sure! We can trust the FBI to do what is right. (Sarcasm)

On a more serious note, I knew nothing would ever come of their investigation of klinton as the FBI is stacked with klinton cronies.
It is just another compromised organization full of government criminals.

flogger
07-05-2016, 19:14
At one time in history (several times actually), stuff like this would bring riots in the streets and outright revolution.

HoneyBadger
07-05-2016, 19:58
I am too angry to have articulate thoughts on this matter, so I will post what a good friend of mine wrote on Facebook earlier today:
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Anyone who works with classified material knows this is a load of crap. Here's a breakdown of the facts:
Fact: It doesn't matter if classified materials are marked or not.
Fact: It doesn't matter if you "accidentally" mishandle classified information. This is negligence.
Fact: It doesn't matter if classified information was or was not leaked/stolen. It was still at risk.
Fact: She signed a non-disclosure agreement. but disclosed information.
Fact: She had a private, non-secure server that contained confidential, secret, and top secret information.
Fact: They found 2,100 classified emails on her server. Of which, she wrote 104.
Fact: She broke the law. Plain and simple.
Fact: She should go to prison.
Here's the differences, if the following are improperly disclosed they may:
TOP SECRET – cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.
SECRET – cause serious damage to the national security.
CONFIDENTIAL – cause damage to the national security.
Even if you are a hardcore liberal, you shouldn't support someone who carelessly puts national security and American/allied lives at risk by mishandling classified information. And yes, lives are undoubtedly at risk. If her excuse is she "didn't know" then she's an idiot and you shouldn't support someone who has spent the last 20+ years in government service with classified information and still can't understand what is/is not sensitive information. When in doubt, treat it as sensitive until you're sure it's not. A lot of this stuff came from intelligence agencies, so it's assumed to be classified even if it's not marked appropriately. Most sources of intelligence (e.g. HUMINT) are always classified.
This is corruption at its finest. Some animals ARE more equal than others.

HoneyBadger
07-05-2016, 19:59
At one time in history (several times actually), stuff like this would bring riots in the streets and outright revolution.
Righteous citizens used to drag politicians out into the street and shoot them for a lot less than this...

Big E3
07-05-2016, 20:15
Isn’t this the type of situation that is typically handed off to a grand jury to determine if enough evidence exists for an indictment? Why was that step skipped? I guess laws are for the little people.

HoneyBadger
07-05-2016, 21:12
http://i.imgur.com/lsy3BGs.jpg

Great-Kazoo
07-05-2016, 22:59
Isn’t this the type of situation that is typically handed off to a grand jury to determine if enough evidence exists for an indictment? Why was that step skipped? I guess laws are for the little people.

Feds do it differently.

. There was enough evidence to cause issues. BUT.......................................... not enough to get a GUILTY conviction......Beyond A REASONABLE DOUBT.


Take a Not Guilty result and the Clintons would NEVER face any kind of legal scenario again. It ( IMO) would have also put HRC in the whitehouse with a landslide.

This way there's still a "chance" Trump, IF HE DOESN'T FUCK THIS UP like everything else he opens his mouth on. Might just win in Nov.

hurley842002
07-05-2016, 23:11
Feds do it differently.

. There was enough evidence to cause issues. BUT.......................................... not enough to get a GUILTY conviction......Beyond A REASONABLE DOUBT.


Take a Not Guilty result and the Clintons would NEVER face any kind of legal scenario again. It ( IMO) would have also put HRC in the whitehouse with a landslide.

This way there's still a "chance" Trump, IF HE DOESN'T FUCK THIS UP like everything else he opens his mouth on. Might just win in Nov.

This is a scenario that my initial anger blinded me too, and then I started reading Facebook posts, and saw just how pissed off LOTS of people are. I think you may be onto something with your assessment, and I hope you are correct. There are a lot of pissed off folks, not just Republicans, but middle of the road voters, independents, BERNIE supporters, etc. Again, the question remains, will they remember come November, or will Kim Kardashians case of the herpes, distract them.

Kraven251
07-05-2016, 23:36
she is the TeflonBlonde

Kraven251
07-05-2016, 23:38
...and this will probably get me banned.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:
Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton

Aloha_Shooter
07-06-2016, 06:52
This is a scenario that my initial anger blinded me too, and then I started reading Facebook posts, and saw just how pissed off LOTS of people are. I think you may be onto something with your assessment, and I hope you are correct. There are a lot of pissed off folks, not just Republicans, but middle of the road voters, independents, BERNIE supporters, etc. Again, the question remains, will they remember come November, or will Kim Kardashians case of the herpes, distract them.

So remind tthem of it. Every week, every day for the next 4 months. Play Comey's recitation of the evidence and ask every Democrat why she isn't already serving time ,much less under indictment. Slap 'em across the face (so to speak) with how corrupt the system is and how much worse it will be if she's allowed to get away with this.

ray1970
07-06-2016, 07:13
This is good news for me.

Any time I am caught violating any laws I will plead that I was just being "extremely careless" and that I can't be held accountable for my actions due to my carelessness.

Also means I can now ignore most ATF regulations and do whatever the hell I want since I'd really only be being "extremely careless" with my interpretation of the law.

68Charger
07-06-2016, 07:18
This is good news for me.

Any time I am caught violating any laws I will plead that I was just being "extremely careless" and that I can't be held accountable for my actions due to my carelessness.

Also means I can now ignore most ATF regulations and do whatever the hell I want since I'd really only be being "extremely careless" with my interpretation of the law.

Only works if you leave a trail of bodies of those who opposed you and your career... the Arkancide defense

StagLefty
07-06-2016, 07:23
This is good news for me.

Any time I am caught violating any laws I will plead that I was just being "extremely careless" and that I can't be held accountable for my actions due to my carelessness.

Also means I can now ignore most ATF regulations and do whatever the hell I want since I'd really only be being "extremely careless" with my interpretation of the law.

As long as you don't "intend" anything you'll be fine !!!

speedysst
07-06-2016, 07:43
As was pointed out in a video I saw, this would have NEVER made it to court because the first witness that would be called is Obama. "Mr. President, were you aware that Mrs. Clinton was using a private email server for government business?" Unless Obama wanted to perjure himself, the answer would have to be "yes" then go from there. "They" would never let that happen.

Great-Kazoo
07-06-2016, 07:58
So remind tthem of it. Every week, every day for the next 4 months. Play Comey's recitation of the evidence and ask every Democrat why she isn't already serving time ,much less under indictment. Slap 'em across the face (so to speak) with how corrupt the system is and how much worse it will be if she's allowed to get away with this.

Remind them IF it was proven a R had done what HRC did, AND the Feeb's came back with the same results the D's would be DEMANDING a Trial. Like their mentality did in the Zimmerman & D. Wilson cases.

Only when it fits their agenda does the left want Action.

wyome
07-06-2016, 08:18
66105

Rucker61
07-06-2016, 09:04
Isn’t this the type of situation that is typically handed off to a grand jury to determine if enough evidence exists for an indictment? Why was that step skipped? I guess laws are for the little people.

The Department of Justice still has to make the actual decision to prosecute, based on their interpretation of the laws and evidence - the FBI just gave their non-binding recommendation not to prosecute.

So the decision is left in the hands of a woman who works for a man who just endorsed Hillary for President. Seems legit.

sellersm
07-06-2016, 10:00
One report that Guccifer is now dead: http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-romanian-hacker-with-access-to-clinton-emails-found-dead-in-jail-cell/


BREAKING: Romanian hacker with access to Clinton emails found dead in jail cell

sellersm
07-06-2016, 10:12
James Wesley Rawles speaks out: https://survivalblog.com/hillarys-lies-the-air-gap-rule-and-systematic-perfidy/

sellersm
07-06-2016, 10:17
Righteous citizens used to drag politicians out into the street and shoot them for a lot less than this...


“Make men large and strong and tyranny will bankrupt itself in making shackles for them.” – Rev. Henry Ward Beecher (1813-1887) US Abolitionist Preacher

hurley842002
07-06-2016, 10:39
One report that Guccifer is now dead: http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-romanian-hacker-with-access-to-clinton-emails-found-dead-in-jail-cell/

This was the only media outlet with a story about this 8 hours ago, and it's still the only outlet with a story, that and the "person" who wrote it is "Admin 1". Seems fishy to me...

trlcavscout
07-06-2016, 11:03
I think it is safe to say that our justice system and the FBI have lost all credibility. Hackers release her emails, the FBI acknowledges what she did, their is no doubt she did it at this point, and how many people had hacked her private server. To not charge her shows the how crooked they are. But when she is president come november comey will get a better job.

Irving
07-06-2016, 14:30
This was the only media outlet with a story about this 8 hours ago, and it's still the only outlet with a story, that and the "person" who wrote it is "Admin 1". Seems fishy to me...

The other stories seem fake as well.

68Charger
07-06-2016, 15:33
One report that Guccifer is now dead: http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-romanian-hacker-with-access-to-clinton-emails-found-dead-in-jail-cell/


This was the only media outlet with a story about this 8 hours ago, and it's still the only outlet with a story, that and the "person" who wrote it is "Admin 1". Seems fishy to me...


The other stories seem fake as well.


Interesting:
christiantimesnewspaper.com whois information

Domain Name: christiantimesnewspaper.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Registrant Name: Registration Private
Registrant Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
Name Server: NS43.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS44.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned

leftist trying to clickbait people to share fake news?

Firehaus
07-06-2016, 15:50
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Gman
07-06-2016, 20:17
There was a poll over on MSN...and I'm actually a little surprised based on their typical demographic;

Should there be hearings on the FBI recommending no charges for Hillary Clinton?

59%
Yes, it’s merited



39%
No, it’s time to move on



2%
I’m not sure



Total responses: 313,526 votes

brutal
07-06-2016, 22:43
This was the only media outlet with a story about this 8 hours ago, and it's still the only outlet with a story, that and the "person" who wrote it is "Admin 1". Seems fishy to me...

Snopes is on it: FALSE

BPTactical
07-07-2016, 05:46
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No shit!

Great-Kazoo
07-07-2016, 06:29
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmpmeaLUkAEX4hf.jpg

flogger
07-07-2016, 07:03
"....let them eat cake!" That's what I hear everytime I see her mug.

Squeeze
07-07-2016, 10:59
Here's how I feel about all this:

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/TangoDownPro/Death%20of%20Liberty%20and%20Justice_zps1rjwfzo9.j pg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/TangoDownPro/media/Death%20of%20Liberty%20and%20Justice_zps1rjwfzo9.j pg.html)

WETWRKS
07-07-2016, 11:14
So...the interview was not recorded and there is no transcript available...

Gman
07-07-2016, 19:06
FBI: "We have some questions to ask you."
HRC: "What difference - at this point, what difference does it make?"
FBI: "Please, bear with us. Would you like to go to lunch, the taxpayers are buying?"
HRC: "Sure."
FBI: "OK, I think we're done here."

Bailey Guns
07-07-2016, 19:50
After watching the question/answer session between Trey Gowdy and Comey, it looks like it ain't over for Hillary. Gowdy laid out about 1/2 dozen questions for the Director where he basically admits Hillary lied under oath during her testimony before the house committee. I have to say, to a small extent, watching Comey answer questions earned him a TRACE of credibility back in my eyes. But he's got a long ways to go. He also admitted they didn't investigate whether Hillary lied to congress because no one asked them to. FFS. What the hell were they looking at?

Great-Kazoo
07-07-2016, 21:31
The state dept is now opening it's investigation .

asmo
07-08-2016, 13:17
The state dept is now opening it's investigation .

The investigation has to do with how the information got to the outside from the inside - and who did that. Won't touch Hillary at all.

jhood001
07-08-2016, 18:52
I saw this one today [LOL]:
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BPTactical
07-08-2016, 19:04
I saw this one today [LOL]:
66148

[ROFL1]