Do We Have To Check Everyone's Work Now?

[Bailey Guns]

It's no secret I bought an RV about this time last year and used it as temporary housing during our move. Well, we no longer need it and have been looking to sell it. It's got a clean CO title (or so I thought). It's been a much tougher sell in this very small market as compared to somewhere like Denver so it's been on the market for a few months.

A potential buyer showed up Wed, spent an hour crawling around all over, on top, underneath, etc. He made me a low-ball offer and I declined. No big deal.

Thursday morning he called back, said the other, less expensive units he was looking at were not what he wanted, and made me a reasonable cash offer. I agreed. Friday morning we spent 2 and a half hours hooking it up and prepping it for moving from storage. Just as we were about to count money/sign title he asks me where the VIN is located on the trailer. So, I show him the tongue where the VIN is stamped. I then just check the number against the title. They don't match. The last two numbers are switched.

Son of a bitch. Obviously, we can't complete the sale.

So now I have to go through a major hassle to have this corrected. I know, I know...I should've checked it when I titled it in my name. But sometimes I just assume government workers can do their jobs without supervision. The number was correct on the title I got from the seller when I bought it...I checked. It was somehow entered incorrectly when I got the new title.

My buyer is in a time crunch and there's no way I'll have this corrected in time for him to complete the sale before he leaves the state.

I can only imagine what a time-consuming PITA this is gonna be trying to correct this from out of state.

Moral of the story... Check titles for correct information. Don't assume people can do their jobs without supervision.

[HoneyBadger]

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[UncleDave]

Every time I have titled something in CO they have asked me to varafy the information before we completed the transaction. Out of those times at least 2 or three times something has been wrong. Typos happen.

[Planner]

Normally, they give you a draft to verify if information is correct before signing the title transfer/registration. Or they did anyway when i re-titled/registering my car in El Paso, and then Douglas Cty.

Humans are fallible. Frustrating yes, but the hassle soon to come is what helps prevent more autos theft in the state.


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[JohnTRourke]

competent government????

that's a joke right?

and it used to just be occasional mistakes. Now it's everywhere, in everything.

[KestrelBike]

That's frustrating as hell : (

[SideShow Bob]

I had the same thing happen to me several years back, except it was on a 1957 Chevy Pick up truck. The last 4 on the VIN were 2442 but the title said 2424. I had drove that truck for a few years & made improvements on it. I never noticed it until I went to sell it.
It was a small pain to get it corrected. But I had to go to the title's state DMV. Lucky for me that I hadn't moved out of that state yet.

I wish you good luck in getting this mess straightened out, especially if your RV has a CO. Title and you being in ID.

[Great-Kazoo]

The DMV used a different letter for my middle name. Wife goes to correct it. OOPS SORRY once it's done you need your spouse to come in and change it, sorry.
I would however... he's laying in the hospital at the moment.. Sorry not our problem. BUT.......you're the one who made the mistake .........NEXT

[Bailey Guns]

Normally, they give you a draft to verify if information is correct before signing the title transfer/registration. Or they did anyway when i re-titled/registering my car in El Paso, and then Douglas Cty.

Humans are fallible. Frustrating yes, but the hassle soon to come is what helps prevent more autos theft in the state.

Yes. After I surrendered the CO title signed by the seller, the clerk did the title and registration paperwork and asked me to verify the information. Everything was correct (obviously not the VIN) but I didn't have the 5th wheel there. I assumed the VIN would transfer in a computer from the old title to the new title. What was I supposed to do? Ask her to wait while I drove home and physically verified the VIN on the trailer?

And I know mistakes happen. I've almost made one myself on occasion. [Coffee]

It's just that some mistakes are more difficult to see initially and harder to correct when they're identified. And accountability seems to be a word that's no longer in use much.

[Zundfolge]

And just think, these people want to be able to do this with our guns. Where the penalty for wrong information on a "gun title" won't be inconvenience and a wasted afternoon at the DMV, it'll be jail time, and a felony conviction that eliminates your 2A rights forever.

And just think, these people want to be able to do this with our health care. Where the penalty for wrong information won't be inconvenience and a wasted afternoon at the DMV, it'll be failure to get proper treatment in a timely fashion possibly ending in permanent disfigurement or at worst an unpleasant death.

[th3w01f]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_0F6v1_iy4

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Do We Have To Check Everyone's Work Now?

Apparently so. Which is an interesting business model (doesn't apply to your situation) because if I can check the work I can probably do the work, so why do I need you?



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[jerrymrc]

Had it happen a few years ago but I always check before leaving. The clerk handed me my new title and the VIN was wrong. The hassle I went through many years ago (85) trying to get this fixed from out of state means I check and double check.

[Zundfolge]

I guess in this day and age its best to shoot a pic of the VIN plate and keep it on your phone so you can triple check it inside the DMV.

[theGinsue]

Back in 1990 I purchased a new 4Runner. When I test drove it, it had 30 miles on it. The next day it had 300 miles on it. For a while I assumed it had been driven a LOT over the night - then I realized they swapped vehicles on me.

In 2014 I purchased a new Honda Civic. I test drove one with (after the test drive) 8 miles on it. I noted the last 4 of the VIN because of the 1990 experience. When they told me they were taking it to detail it while I was doing my paperwork, I stepped outside and watched a lot tech go to my Civic and another go to an identical Civic. When I was given the paperwork to sign, the vehicle had 12 miles on it (?? Four extra miles to just drive it into the service area for detailing? I don't think so). I then double checked the VIN and found they didn't match. They were doing a bait & switch with a vehicle they'd had on their car lot longer than the one I said I'd take. I called them on it & they claimed it was a simple mistake. No it wasn't, it was a blatant attempt to deceive me & I told them as much. They fixed it after I told them I was ready to walk out, never to return & tell everyone I knew (plus the local news) about their deceptive practices.

The lesson I got in 1990 was to ALWAYS double check the VIN when doing any paperwork, including with the .gov.

[Harley-FXDWG]

Not surprising of the dmv workers. I once had my DL suspended and in the process of getting it back I was notified that there was a warrant out for my arrest from a county that I have never been to! So I call that county and they tell me "you're a ghost to us. You do not exist and we have nothing on you". So then I had the enjoyment of producing proof of that.

Needless to say it took a couple of weeks of phone calls and running back and forth with paperwork to get it all resolved and come to find out somebody entered some info wrong in the system.

Im just glad I found out on my own terms rather than getting arrested during some random traffic stop. That really would have sent me off the deep end.

Moral of the story is, NEVER trust that somebody correctly did their job that they were suppose to do!

[Planner]

Yes. After I surrendered the CO title signed by the seller, the clerk did the title and registration paperwork and asked me to verify the information. Everything was correct (obviously not the VIN) but I didn't have the 5th wheel there. I assumed the VIN would transfer in a computer from the old title to the new title. What was I supposed to do? Ask her to wait while I drove home and physically verified the VIN on the trailer?

And I know mistakes happen. I've almost made one myself on occasion. [Coffee]

It's just that some mistakes are more difficult to see initially and harder to correct when they're identified. And accountability seems to be a word that's no longer in use much.

I suspect the VIN was wrong on the previous title as well. Would be interesting to see if CARFAX has a record under the transposed VIN.

I like the word responsibility vs accountability.


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[ray1970]

Crappy situation for sure. I hate dealing with those idiots in person. I'd hate to have to do it from out of state.

[Bailey Guns]

I suspect the VIN was wrong on the previous title as well. Would be interesting to see if CARFAX has a record under the transposed VIN.

I like the word responsibility vs accountability.

Nope. VIN was correct on the title I received from the seller. I know this because we initially used the VIN off the previous title to apply for a loan on it before deciding to pay cash. The loan paperwork has the correct title number.

ETA: Also has the correct VIN on the bill of sale.

[UncleDave]

Nope. VIN was correct on the title I received from the seller. I know this because we initially used the VIN off the previous title to apply for a loan on it before deciding to pay cash. The loan paperwork has the correct title number.

ETA: Also has the correct VIN on the bill of sale.



Then that should make it easier. Maybe. Talk with the DMV, faxing them the bill of sale and the title showing the discrepancy. Hopefully that will be enough. Or you may be able to take the bill of sale directly to the ID DMV and get your new title there and avoid CO all together.

[Bailey Guns]

Unfortunately, ID won't have anything to do with it until it's corrected in CO. I can't find out what's required to correct it until tomorrow. Fortunately, I guess, the mistake was made by the wife of a long-time friend. I'm hoping that will help get it straightened out as quickly as possible with as little brain damage as possible. I also have a power of atty prepared to send to a friend to act for me to help resolve this if necessary.

[theGinsue]

What a cluster f*ck. Good luck with getting this corrected with as little pain as possible BG.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm pretty confident CO DMV will do their best to increase the cluster f**kedness to the maximum extent prior to resolving the issue. But I'm a pessimist in issues dealing with government.

[BUC303]

Keep us posted, I have a similar problem with a motorcycle from ID that a friend purchased when he lived there. Where there was a 5 in the VIN they typed an S on the title and since out of state title transfers include a vin check CO is telling me they can't do anything. The annoying thing in my situation is that it is the 2nd digit of the vin and the first 4 digits are the same for every bike of that year, the rest of the numbers all match up correctly. I'm interested to see if something like this can be handled out of state.

[Big E3]

When you drive back here to fix this in person let me know I’ll buy you lunch.

[Bailey Guns]

When you drive back here to fix this in person let me know I’ll buy you lunch.

:)

[flogger]

I worked at Burt Chevrolet in the mid '70s, parts department. They used 7 and 8 digit part numbers that translated into millions of items, from complete engines to cigarette lighters. It was before my time but as the story goes,.... there was a special order for some type of body trim moulding or something small and cheap, the part numbers were entered wrong and they received an entire frame for a school bus!

Numbers matter.