"I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point,"

[The Norseman]

Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."

Anyone concerned about this type of attitude??

Not sure open carrying around the RNC is the smartest thing but to have a leading public figure simply declare that a Constitutional right should be suspended concerns me.


Sent from my Id.

[kidicarus13]

A slippery slope for sure.

[funkymonkey1111]

Yeah, i think there was a guy in dallas and a few in Baton Rouge that were concerned about it, too

[Gman]

There should be a law that prevents people from killing each other.

[cstone]

I believe Gov. Kasich has already responded that he does not have the authority to restrict open carry.

The process is important. If it isn't done in accordance with the U.S. and Ohio Constitutions, then it should not be done.

My $.02

[Bailey Guns]

Liberals are apparently going apeshit over this, saying republicans don't care about the lives of police officers and other nonsense.

What's funny is, it never occurs to liberals that same officer/union president could just as easily say, ""We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely allow officers to stop and search all black people for guns in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."

[Zundfolge]

Anyone in law enforcement that openly complains that civil and constitutional rights are inconvenient to their ability to do their jobs should be relieved from duty and put on a list of people not allowed to be placed in any law enforcement job.

I would be fine with flogged as well, but I'm willing to compromise and just fire them.

[bczandm]

Anyone in law enforcement that openly complains that civil and constitutional rights are inconvenient to their ability to do their jobs should be relieved from duty and put on a list of people not allowed to be placed in any law enforcement job.

I would be fine with flogged as well, but I'm willing to compromise and just fire them.

I don't know about a flogging but you are 100% on the mark. He is paid to protect our rights, not change them at will.

[Gman]

Problem is...this is the head of a union, not in an official law enforcement capacity. Can't fire the head of a union because he doesn't believe in the laws that his members are sworn to uphold.

I'm sure this idiot has thought this through, like limiting his 1st Amendment rights for a week wouldn't be a problem for him.

[flogger]

I can see where the police are concerned. Open carry can turn into an open grab real fast, especially in a crowd. I'm guessing there will be quite a few people carrying, both supporters and protesters.

Lets hope heads stay cool, this thing could really get out of hand.

It's going to be a very interesting week in Cleveland.

[Bailey Guns]

Problem is...this is the head of a union, not in an official law enforcement capacity. Can't fire the head of a union because he doesn't believe in the laws that his members are sworn to uphold.

I'm sure this idiot has thought this through, like limiting his 1st Amendment rights for a week wouldn't be a problem for him.

I'm pretty sure Steve Loomis is a Cleveland Police Officer. I could be wrong.

[GilpinGuy]

Would it be fair to call this guy an oath breaking piece of shit?

[SideShow Bob]

Well, change it to first amendment rights instead of the second, and see what the libitards have to say....... ( Pun intended )

If no one can voice thier opinions, then no one can get butt hurt & react violently........

[Gman]

I'm pretty sure Steve Loomis is a Cleveland Police Officer. I could be wrong.
After some research, a Detective. Not sure if his status is active or not. Has also come out in the past few hours saying that Obama "has blood on his hands".

[BushMasterBoy]

If they are really concerned, call out the National Guard. Make it look like Ankara during a coup. Tanks are probably just sitting there getting rusty. Get the bomb robots ready, and wear proper body armor FFS! And somebody get Trump a "Michael Jackson" style uniform...

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[Big E3]

I heard it reported that there are 3000 national guard on duty in addition to the police in Cleveland this week. There will be no guns allowed within a wide perimeter of the convention center as well. So if any shooting starts it should be away from the main GOP activities. I would say anybody that is actually open carrying around this convention is looking for trouble, but that’s just my opinion. This would be a good time for concealed carry.

[hollohas]

Liberals are apparently going apeshit over this, saying republicans don't care about the lives of police officers and other nonsense.



The insane part is that it's the liberals that are saying they will be open carrying at the RNC for their own protection from the police. And it's the liberals that are the ones killing the police. Yet, somehow it's republicans that don't care. They always find a way to turn it around and blame republicans.

It's mind boggling.

[ray1970]

Constitutional rights be damned. Someone needs to take away voting rights from women and minorities. Let's see how the left likes that move.

[rondog]

Would it be fair to call this guy an oath breaking piece of shit?
Works for me!

[HoneyBadger]

Anyone in law enforcement that openly complains that civil and constitutional rights are inconvenient to their ability to do their jobs should be relieved from duty and put on a list of people not allowed to be placed in any law enforcement job.

I would be fine with flogged as well, but I'm willing to compromise and just fire them.
Agreed.

Would it be fair to call this guy an oath breaking piece of shit?
As one of many of the oath-taking members here, stuff like this makes me pretty angry. F that guy.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Would it be fair to call this guy an oath breaking piece of shit?

I think he's just a guy who wants a fair chance at going home after work. It's one thing to risk your life knowningly, it's a whole other thing when you feel someone's gunning for you and you'll likely be castigated publicly for defending yourself. I don't agree with his proposal but I sort of understand where he's coming from. In his mind, I suspect he thinks he's only talking about a temporary measure to keep the public situation defused. In our minds, it's a "temporary" measure that would never get lifted if the Dems have their way, the first (or second) step down a long path toward tyranny.

[bczandm]

I think he's just a guy who wants a fair chance at going home after work. It's one thing to risk your life knowningly, it's a whole other thing when you feel someone's gunning for you and you'll likely be castigated publicly for defending yourself. I don't agree with his proposal but I sort of understand where he's coming from. In his mind, I suspect he thinks he's only talking about a temporary measure to keep the public situation defused. In our minds, it's a "temporary" measure that would never get lifted if the Dems have their way, the first (or second) step down a long path toward tyranny.

With all the alleged shootings from unethical cops maybe the right solution is to take the cops guns away... but of course I jest.

I think the issue for me is that I doubt that anyone is going to open carry to the RNC in an attempt to shoot up the place. Does this union leader really believe that stopping open carry for the RNC is going to make it safer for cops? It seems to me that this is rather misguided logic. I'd think the real risk is the illegally concealed guns, not open carry.

[Bailey Guns]

I think he's just a guy who wants a fair chance at going home after work. It's one thing to risk your life knowningly, it's a whole other thing when you feel someone's gunning for you and you'll likely be castigated publicly for defending yourself. I don't agree with his proposal but I sort of understand where he's coming from. In his mind, I suspect he thinks he's only talking about a temporary measure to keep the public situation defused. In our minds, it's a "temporary" measure that would never get lifted if the Dems have their way, the first (or second) step down a long path toward tyranny.

I might agree with this if he hadn't said, "I don't care if it's Constitutional or not..." After that, I lost any interest in his position. Even if he'd phrased it differently, I might see it that way. But not now. He can't walk that back.

[yz9890]

Suspending the freedom of speech and the right to assembly would also temporarily address this problem. Just go down the list. These rights are yours. You're born with them. Unless of course things get really sketchy. Then we'll suspend them for a bit. Maybe you'll get them back.

BLM and new Black Panthers have a right to arm themselves like anyone else. If they start picking people off out of some kind of racial retaliation though, they need to be cut down.

[Hummer]

Let's get real, he's a union rep, he IS a dem. he bought and paid for the package and now he's being paid by it. And no doubt, vying for the police chief job.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I might agree with this if he hadn't said, "I don't care if it's Constitutional or not..." After that, I lost any interest in his position. Even if he'd phrased it differently, I might see it that way. But not now. He can't walk that back.

I could have sworn I said, why yes, I did ...

I don't agree with his proposal but I sort of understand where he's coming from. In his mind, I suspect he thinks he's only talking about a temporary measure to keep the public situation defused. In our minds, it's a "temporary" measure that would never get lifted if the Dems have their way, the first (or second) step down a long path toward tyranny.

I was simply pointing out that the guy is scared and angry. People have a tendency to stay stupid stuff and consider extreme measures when they're scared and angry. I have no idea whether he's a Dem, Rep, or GDI like me. After Dallas and Baton Rouge -- and especially after the loathsome s--t Twitter and Facebook are allowing, I understand why some cops could be somewhat panicky -- I don't agree with it but can understand it.

What's really sad is what Officer Jackson posted on Facebook after Dallas:

I’ve experienced so much in my short life and the past 3 days have tested me to the core. I swear to God I love this city but I wonder if this city loves me. In uniform I get nasty hateful looks and out of uniform some consider me a threat.
Please don’t let hate infect your heart. This city MUST and WILL get better. I’m working in these streets so any protesters, officers, friends, family, or whoever, if you see me and need a hug or want to say a prayer I got you.




That sounds like someone I want on the streets in uniform. Thanks to a punk and the thousands of people who have incited and supported garbage like BLM for political purposes, he's not and never will be again.