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BPTactical
08-22-2016, 19:21
It is with a heavy heart that I must announce effective immediately BP Tactical Services is suspending the bulk of services we offer.
As some of you may have read in this thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/157572-Death-of-an-industry-by-regulation
The State Department has in its infinite wisdom instructed I.T.A.R to "redefine" what it considers "Manufacturing" as it pertains to "Defense related products".
Just about every operation a Gunsmith performs is now considered "Manufacturing" according to I.T.A.R and as such is mandated to "register" with them to the tune of $2250.00 annually.
I had serious concerns regarding this and had the "Guidance" document reviewed by an I.T.A.R Attorney and a couple of Compliance Officers that I know. Their consensus is unanimous, I MUST register to continue in the business I am in.
Financially this is a prohibitive burden at this time, especially for a part time business. Add the fact that I am taxed on the business at nearly 40% and I would have to work 4-5 months of the year for free just to stay within the good graces of Federal regulations.
This I cannot and will not do.
Most of you will think "Screw em, just keep doing what your doing on the DL". Trust me, I have had the same thought. However running afoul of these regulations carries tremendous penalties, fines can be as steep as $1,000,000.00 not to mention Club Fed time.
The risk is not worth the reward.
Any work I have in house currently will be completed but once that is concluded, operations shall be suspended.
There are rumors from reliable sources that the fee structure may change and regulations may get scaled back, but they are only rumors and who knows what a time line may be.
I would like to say "Thank You" to all.
Bert
beast556
08-22-2016, 19:30
Total bullshit, im at a loss for words. Sorry you have to close your business.
Lex_Luthor
08-22-2016, 19:35
Awww damn Bert. I'm really sorry to hear.
Well, look at the bright side. At least now you can focus on your own little projects instead of everyone else's.
And if you need the extra money you can always open a dispensary. I hear they really bring in the money.
...and government intrudes even further into our lives...
Sorry to hear it Bert.
hurley842002
08-22-2016, 19:46
I've seen gofundme pages for lesser causes..... Sorry to hear Burt.
Fentonite
08-22-2016, 19:52
Sorry Bert. Hopefully this gets reversed.
hurley842002
08-22-2016, 20:02
I wish I were one of the wealthier members on the forum, I've got a 1911 I wouldn't mind putting $2250 worth of work into, pre-paid of course.
StagLefty
08-22-2016, 20:07
Sorry to hear Bert maybe time will bring about a change for you.
funkymonkey1111
08-22-2016, 20:09
Suckage
mackbamf
08-22-2016, 20:12
Sorry to hear this. What a bunch of bullshit. Hopefully things will change for the better with all of this.
henpecked
08-22-2016, 20:17
Sad to hear Bert.
Question for you..... Is this a way of shutting down 80% sales?
Such bullshit. Sorry Bert
That's a rough deal. What's your plan for the immediate future?
Tinelement
08-22-2016, 20:31
Sorry to hear bud.
sellersm
08-22-2016, 20:41
Total rubbish. Sorry you have to close.
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Agree with every prior post. What a crock of shit.
BlasterBob
08-22-2016, 20:50
Bert, sad to hear of another Government intrusion of a good business man.
Not to be funny but did you hang on to those big sewing machines?
Limited GM
08-22-2016, 20:52
Sorry to hear.
That really sucks, sorry to hear this.
I am sick of this administration so much. You deserve better, Bert.
I absolutely hate to see honest businesses close their doors due to an overreaching government hell bent on destroying the Bill of Rights. Good luck in your future endeavors, I hope one day you can reopen your business.
May as well raise your prices to the industry standard and pay the ITAR fees Bert. What the hell.
You don't need to just thread barrels and bed rifles for beer money.
I won't like having to pay twice as much for a job you may have done for me just a month ago, but better that then working with someone I don't know, shipping parts across the U.S. to have questionable work done, etc.
Put a pencil to it and see if you can't make it work. I still got a barrel I need cut & threaded!
mahabali
08-22-2016, 21:07
Fucking bullshit... Sorry to hear it Bert :(
Farking B-S!
As Sawin put it; just sick of the regulation crap killing off hard working peoples work. [Rant2]
Zundfolge
08-22-2016, 21:25
This makes me angry and sad. Truthfully I think if I was a gunsmith I'd become an "underground gun smith" and start making silenced machine-guns for gangs and the mafia, but I can understand why you (as an upstanding and law abiding fellow) would cease operations to comply with the stupid stupid law.
But hey if Hillary becomes president you can start arming the rebellion :D
Bailey Guns
08-22-2016, 21:33
They're from the government. They're here to help us all and keep us safe.
Fuck...
Great-Kazoo
08-22-2016, 21:38
Sad to hear Bert.
Question for you..... Is this a way of shutting down 80% sales?
This has nothing to do with 80% sales. BP IIRC was not a SOT / 7 ffl
What this is , is another death by 1000 regulations.
What this admin and it's lackeys throughout the .gov cannot do by a majority in Congress. Have seen fit to do by backroom laws.
Sorry you as well as other smiths will be forced to shut down.
GilpinGuy
08-22-2016, 22:21
Fuck the government. I'm so fed up with the bullshit.
Sorry to hear about this....sheeeeesh. Such bullshit.
Open some sort of "community organization" and you'll get huge grants.
This is such bullshit! I am sorry to hear this, but I fully understand. Asshole administration.
HoneyBadger
08-22-2016, 22:32
This resonates loudly with familiar themes from Atlas Shrugged. The state is crushing individuals, ideas, creativity, productivity, and economic freedom in general. I would bet that in 40 years, 40% or more of working Americans will work a "government job" in one form or another, as businesses and the free market continue to get crushed... [Shake]
GilpinGuy
08-22-2016, 22:36
Right on the mark HB.
Sorry to hear Bert.
Fucking gov regs.
Just leave us alone.
Great-Kazoo
08-22-2016, 23:39
This resonates loudly with familiar themes from Atlas Shrugged. The state is crushing individuals, ideas, creativity, productivity, and economic freedom in general. I would bet that in 40 years, 40% or more of working Americans will work a "government job" in one form or another, as businesses and the free market continue to get crushed... [Shake]
Everyone either works for or is supported by the .gov.
GilpinGuy
08-23-2016, 00:24
Everyone either works for or is supported by the .gov.
Well said. I work my ass off so they can steal 30% of what I earn (more than that after 11/16....if my prediction is right). Yay government!
Sorry to hear Bert.
But hey! You can switch over to light machine & welding work on other shit, right? Like MC parts, engine parts, stuff like that? Seems I recall you drilling a bunch of holes for some yahoo in some brake drums..... Hey, income is income right? It can be damned hard to find someplace to do small machine work jobs, that's a niche you could fill quite well.
buffalobo
08-23-2016, 06:12
This resonates loudly with familiar themes from Atlas Shrugged. The state is crushing individuals, ideas, creativity, productivity, and economic freedom in general. I would bet that in 40 years, 40% or more of working Americans will work a "government job" in one form or another, as businesses and the free market continue to get crushed... [Shake]
Another step on the path...
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Sorry to hear this Bert, I know how much you enjoy 'smithin'.
HoneyBadger is right!!
Fuck the government! [Mad]
KestrelBike
08-23-2016, 06:42
Sorry Bert, I know you'll get through this!
BlasterBob
08-23-2016, 06:46
If Trump wins the election, think he may be able to dissolve this BS new "law"??
Man that sucks Bert, bigtime.
"Regulation without representation" is how this administration works since, WAIT, not everybody wants what he and his cronies (here's looking at you Valerie Jarrett) want. So they go down this route and give us the death by a thousand cuts.
I hope it all works out in the end for you and things get taken care of.
And that's exactly what they want.. People to give up
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Bull Droppings.
I second the motion for you to adjust costs and keep going. Hell, make it a separate line on your invoice so everyone knows the cost of this admins bs.
Don't know if it'll do any good, but a petition has been started to try to remove gunsmithing from ITAR here. I've already signed.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/remove-gunsmithing-itar
Don't know if it'll do any good, but a petition has been started to try to remove gunsmithing from ITAR here. I've already signed.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/remove-gunsmithing-itar
Did that. But 8k signatures in over a month is not exactly earth shattering.
Damn, that really sucks. Guess I had better pick my rifle up soon. Just never sure how early you're up or even if you're available most weekends. I had held out a little hope things would reverse and you'd get the time to work on mine. [dammit]
Don't know if it'll do any good, but a petition has been started to try to remove gunsmithing from ITAR here. I've already signed.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/remove-gunsmithing-itar
Done! Thanks for the notice!
OneGuy67
08-23-2016, 09:15
This is crap! Sorry to hear Bert! I hope this changes and changes soon!
Madeinhb
08-23-2016, 09:22
Sorry to hear man. Wish I got my sights for my 1911 to install before this happened. Hope all is well and things will change that will allow you to come back.
Good luck Bert. This sucks on so many levels!
funkymonkey1111
08-23-2016, 09:50
Its certainly easy to say since i'm not in the business, but have you considered implementing the ITAR surcharge? 250 projects a year--$10 per, and you're gold.
I'll bet 99% of the folks that have benefited from your work would pay. The other 1%? Well, they were already assholes...
And that's exactly what they want.. People to give up
Part of me agrees but I can't fault anyone who doesn't feel like taking up the cause on their family's dime either. Some are more suited for civil disobedience than others and I won't judge anyone who doesn't want to take on the .gov on a solo mission.
Ultimately, this is some SHIT news and I'm sorry for what you're being forced to do BP.
In similar news, my wife had to show ID yesterday to pay (one of our final) truck payments in cash due to new Colorado laws that turn banks into the IRS and tracking who does ANYTHING with cash because of legal pot and laws concerning potential cash use.... allegedly. So now my wife and all of your wives, grandmothers and children are suspected drug dealers if they present cash in a banking transaction. Freedom folks!
I feel less and less free every day I wake up in what is supposed to be the freest nation on earth. Dafuq?
BlasterBob
08-23-2016, 10:29
Now we wonder what affect this will have on the attendance for the Gunsmith School down in Trinidad and other similar such schools??
Its certainly easy to say since i'm not in the business, but have you considered implementing the ITAR surcharge? 250 projects a year--$10 per, and you're gold.
I'll bet 99% of the folks that have benefited from your work would pay. The other 1%? Well, they were already assholes...
Not a bad idea.
Frankly, I'd like it if EVERY business itemized ALL the .gov BS they have to upcharge for.
i.e.
Actual product -- $10
Gov BS 1 -- $2
Gov BS 2 -- $0.50
Gov BS 3 -- $4.00
Gov BS 4 -- $1.32
-----
Your cost: $17.82
Your cost without gov BS: $10
Bet a lot of people would be a little less democratic at that point.
Not a bad idea.
Frankly, I'd like it if EVERY business itemized ALL the .gov BS they have to upcharge for.
i.e.
Actual product -- $10
Gov BS 1 -- $2
Gov BS 2 -- $0.50
Gov BS 3 -- $4.00
Gov BS 4 -- $1.32
-----
Your cost: $17.82
Your cost without gov BS: $10
Bet a lot of people would be a little less democratic at that point.
This is an excellent idea but I wonder to the legality of it. I know that they already itemize 'tax' on receipts but people are so conditioned to seeing it it doesn't phase most that it's a few that is largely waste due to inefficiencies at the Federal level. Maybe if it were more itemized people would pay more attention to how their 'feel good laws' actually affected everyone on a daily basis. I also feel like that in most firearm related transactions the intended audience wouldn't be reached as it wasn't the pro2A folks who voted for such taxes/fees... or in some cases nobody had a say at all. Talk about government by the people of the people & for the people.
Grant H.
08-23-2016, 11:09
I sure as heck would pay the BP Tactical ITAR subsidy...
But, having been involved in ITAR stuff, I completely understand Bert not wanting to be a part of it.
What the hell am I supposed to do with this pile of guns I was going to have you work on?
This is bullshit. A direct affront to our 2A liberties, if you ask me. But hey, the democrats aren't coming for your guns, right? They're just gonna regulate them into outer space, no biggie.
GEDIT: Admittedly I haven't done much research on the subject, but where was the NRA on this one?
henpecked
08-23-2016, 11:47
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150605/stop-obamas-planned-gag-order-on-firearm-related-speech
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/21018-proposed-federal-rule-could-censor-online-gun-speech-warns-nra
HoneyBadger
08-23-2016, 12:53
And that's exactly what they want.. People to give up
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But what happens when enough people give up? When the producers stop producing?
But what happens when enough people give up? When the producers stop producing?
Death of 2a by regulation
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HoneyBadger
08-23-2016, 13:11
Death of 2a by regulation
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
I'm talking bigger picture here.. What happens when all the major gun retailers go under? Ammo manufacturers? Accessory makers? The gun industry in America probably employs close to a million people.
Then what is next? The gun industry isn't the only one being regulated to death. Energy industries, manufacturing, even construction are all being regulated into their graves. What happens when those guys decide to call it quits because they can't operate anymore? It won't be pretty...
SamuraiCO
08-23-2016, 13:34
Lets hope it is temporary Bert and someone challenges by court or law to take on these regulations. Perhaps some class action? This was not done by accident. It was purposefully done to attack the 2A. Hope Bert and others end up on the winning side.
Don't know if it'll do any good, but a petition has been started to try to remove gunsmithing from ITAR here. I've already signed.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/remove-gunsmithing-itar
I've had it posted in Legislation and Politics since August 12.
Maybe the reason it isn't getting many signatures is because people are paranoid about being on some "list"...[tinhat][panic][panic][panic]
Or because there are 2,611 signature asking for EA to release a new skating game...
Which has zero to do with ITAR, or anything related to the 2nd Amendment. So your comparison is invalid.
I'm talking bigger picture here.. What happens when all the major gun retailers go under? Ammo manufacturers? Accessory makers? The gun industry in America probably employs close to a million people.
Then what is next? The gun industry isn't the only one being regulated to death. Energy industries, manufacturing, even construction are all being regulated into their graves. What happens when those guys decide to call it quits because they can't operate anymore? It won't be pretty...
Well you didn't ask for deep insight. You asked for an answer. No need to make it all flowery.
It's not the major mfg that is at risk here. It's the small shops. They will still produce.. they have to for the .gov, maybe they should take a stand against such BS.. but they won't because $$$.
sellersm
08-23-2016, 14:57
Death of 2a by regulation
Hmmmm, remind anyone of another nation's history?
Another new regulations.
Sorry to hear.
When the producers stop producing?
Some years ago I started wondering if a John Galt was even needed to stop the motor of the world. Government (both sides of the isle) are doing a pretty fine job by themselves.
O2
That's really too bad. The gofundme idea is a good one (or maybe host a fundaiser shoot/ raffle/ feather party), for immediate use towards licensing, or however they classify it. The $10 fee per job (or a percentage of sale based on cusotmer's total) towards next year's fee is also a good one. You have the tools and you seem to enjoy your work- maybe explore these ideas before bowing out, and hopefully in the meantime this regulation will change to your advantage. It's total bullshit in the longrun but not everyone enjoys their job, makes their own hours, and has gunsmithing skills- for these reasons alone it may be worth it to bite the bullet and see what comes of it. Sounds devastating, but a fundraiser could get you a good chunk of change (like raffle a rifle, some ammo, some BP Tac gift certifcates?). The Government sucks for sure, but a small business you enjoy is worth fighting for.
sneakerd
08-23-2016, 19:14
Sad to hear Bert. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
You would think the NRA and the ILA would be all over this one.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Bailey Guns
08-23-2016, 20:17
You would think the NRA and the ILA would be all over this one.
This has been coming for some time. The NRA IS/WAS all over it. But there's only so much they can do against "rules changes" in the State Dept.
Fentonite
08-23-2016, 20:42
I know there have been other ideas posted. Here's another idea... What about a "membership" of sorts? You know how some ranges allow members to jump to the front of the line? Seems like you could do the same. For a $50 annual fee, sold to a limited number of customers (50), the members get to "jump the line" when service is needed. (That was a random number - pick the fee and appropriate number of "members" to make it work).
Or you could just open that flamingo farm you've always dreamed of.
... (snip) ...
Financially this is a prohibitive burden at this time, especially for a part time business. Add the fact that I am taxed on the business at nearly 40% and I would have to work 4-5 months of the year for free just to stay within the good graces of Federal regulations.
This I cannot and will not do.
... (snip)
And I just re-read this part. Damn.
Best of luck to you and if you decide to hold a fundraiser or whatever let me know, I'll help.
BPTactical
08-24-2016, 21:33
I want to send a gracious and heartfelt Thank You to an incredible group of people for your support. This is definitely a trying time and a very frustrating situation.
The offers of help and the thoughts of a GoFundMe have been very generous and humbling.
But it wouldn't be right to fund my burden off of others. If I choose to pay this extortion fee, it will be of my accord.
The principle of it really disagrees with me to my core. I am practicing a craft that has been perfectly lawful since the inception of this nation.
And now, because of an arbitrary and capricious stoke of a pen by some political lacky.
I will still perform tasks that are defined as "Gunsmithing" in the ITAR decree, but the remainder of my practice will be suspended until I can make a final determination of what is best for my business and family.
jhood001
08-24-2016, 22:05
I want to send a gracious and heartfelt Thank You to an incredible group of people for your support. This is definitely a trying time and a very frustrating situation.
The offers of help and the thoughts of a GoFundMe have been very generous and humbling.
But it wouldn't be right to fund my burden off of others. If I choose to pay this extortion fee, it will be of my accord.
The principle of it really disagrees with me to my core. I am practicing a craft that has been perfectly lawful since the inception of this nation.
And now, because of an arbitrary and capricious stoke of a pen by some political lacky.
I will still perform tasks that are defined as "Gunsmithing" in the ITAR decree, but the remainder of my practice will be suspended until I can make a final determination of what is best for my business and family.
Those of us that LOVE your abilities and services will continue to support you. Thank you for all of the help over the years.
Get active, people.
Seriously... get active.
UncleDave
08-25-2016, 08:03
I want to send a gracious and heartfelt Thank You to an incredible group of people for your support. This is definitely a trying time and a very frustrating situation.
The offers of help and the thoughts of a GoFundMe have been very generous and humbling.
​But it wouldn't be right to fund my burden off of others.​ If I choose to pay this extortion fee, it will be of my accord.
The principle of it really disagrees with me to my core. I am practicing a craft that has been perfectly lawful since the inception of this nation.
And now, because of an arbitrary and capricious stoke of a pen by some political lacky.
I will still perform tasks that are defined as "Gunsmithing" in the ITAR decree, but the remainder of my practice will be suspended until I can make a final determination of what is best for my business and family.
Bert this would not be "funding your burden off others" as it is a burden to all who need/want your services. This effects the whole community and therefore is all of our responsiblity. A surcharge to cover the fee (really tax, but I digress) would be a reasonable step to take. A fund raiser to handle the immediate need is something that many would support. Don't give in or give up. Neighbors help each other out during the hard times, and sometimes we must be humble enough to accept. End of sermon!
I agree with Dave. This is a thinly vailed attack on every gun owner and not just gunsmiths.
If the fees go up so be it. But damn them if they think this will stop us.
BP, the 'burden' would be in loosing somebody like you to the 'stroke of a pen'. I like the membership idea or any number of others being put up here. By bowing out, you are effectivly giving Obama and Hillary what they want, another win in there box to shut the 2A down. I have been dealing with you for years at this point and KNOW that is not in your 'principles'.
We need ya man, let us help ya!!!!!!
The (D) who voted for Obama brought this about, the blame lies with them because they give no thought as to the consequences of their actions.
Zundfolge
08-25-2016, 15:01
The (D) who voted for Obama brought this about, the blame lies with them because they give no thought as to the consequences of their actions.
The R's that sat home instead of voting for McCain and/or Romney share some blame too. Although I do understand not voting for McCain ... I almost didn't (but I liked Palin and I read Obama's two books).
Had my ATF inspection this week, and the July ITAR paper was one of the first docs they handed me to review as an 07/02. Lots of questions about smithing and assembly, etc. too.
NSSF has been trying to get ITAR rules changed for a while now. Seemed like they were making progress for a while, but I can't even guess at this point.
The R's that sat home instead of voting for McCain and/or Romney share some blame too. Although I do understand not voting for McCain ... I almost didn't (but I liked Palin and I read Obama's two books).
True.
I regret not voting for McCain, I voted for the American Constitution Party because I didn't think McCain would be much different from obama, look how wrong I was. I did vote for Romney.
Zundfolge
08-25-2016, 16:38
On a side note this is what I don't get about the #NeverTrumpers on the right ... Trump is more conservative than both McCain and Romney (and I don't remember these people telling everyone not to vote for them).
I voted for McCain and Romney, and it didn't accomplish dick, so don't feel too terrible.
I've never met or had a dealing with Bert, but I'd have no problem donating $50 towards his ITAR fee based solely on how BS the situation is. I've entertained getting an FFL just to do machine work and such on specific designs, but no way with this.
Great-Kazoo
08-25-2016, 18:45
On a side note this is what I don't get about the #NeverTrumpers on the right ... Trump is more conservative [ROFL2] than both McCain and Romney (and I don't remember these people telling everyone not to vote for them).
He's not even a R or conservative. He just happened to find the path of least resistance towards a goal, running as a R. The D's had the crown polished for Hillary after she "graciously" conceded the title to Obama.
One does not spend their life reaching for the ring, only to walk away without concessions. She got them and now stands poised to dump the last can of gasoline on the fire.
Trump, being a businessman already knew this. Thus running as a R.
With that said. I'd pull the lever for an over flowing shitter, if it had a R next to it. BEFORE i'd even consider going to
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Mb94480bb80794aefcfa5c4397e03ba3eo0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=245&h=184
On a side note this is what I don't get about the #NeverTrumpers on the right ... Trump is more conservative than both McCain and Romney (and I don't remember these people telling everyone not to vote for them).
That is because Trump isn't part of their elite circle of eligible persons.
I voted for McCain and Romney, and it didn't accomplish dick, so don't feel too terrible.
Thank you, you still did the right thing. The other thing is there no way in hell an (R) was going to win in 2008, the media HATED GWB, even though it turns out he is one of them, so McCain had to fight that too. McCain didn't really fight anything though, he rolled over like the fuckstain he became after his Vietnam heroics.
I'll post in this thread too :) This sucks. :(
The precedent of applying ITAR via State by fiat to US citizens is a very dangerous one to all our rights. If State can impose international regulations on individuals in the US then the Constitution is null and void.
sellersm
08-26-2016, 13:24
I'll post in this thread too :) This sucks. :(
The precedent of applying ITAR via State by fiat to US citizens is a very dangerous one to all our rights. If State can impose international regulations on individuals in the US then the Constitution is null and void.
^This is a picture of things to come under the TPP.
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And another one bites the dust.
Merde.
http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2016/08/25/weapon-outfitters-to-cease-offering-gunsmithing-services/
BushMasterBoy
08-26-2016, 14:33
They are saying this ITAR bullcrap applies to software too. I hope I don't become a criminal talking about nuclear powered alien space craft from the other side of the galaxy. I just realized all the Russians and Chinese have to do is nuke the US when the aliens attack. They can just claim they are saving the planet. Sometimes I feel like General Billy Mitchell, and sometimes like Billy The Kid! God save us from the likes of the current US administration.
http://research.ufl.edu/faculty-and-staff/research-compliance/export-controls/policies/itar_marking.html
BPTactical
08-26-2016, 18:54
And another one bites the dust.
Merde.
http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2016/08/25/weapon-outfitters-to-cease-offering-gunsmithing-services/
If they can't absorb the extortion eerrr, "Registration Fee", who can?
That is saying something.
Great-Kazoo
08-26-2016, 20:02
If they can't absorb the extortion eerrr, "Registration Fee", who can?
That is saying something.
You're one of how many along the front range?
Once again the .gov in it's infinite wisdom to keep tabs on gunsmiths (among other business) has now put people back in the shadows. Losing how many thousands of dollars in the process.
This sucks. I'm in for the added "fee", if you chose to continue your practice.
Madeinhb
08-26-2016, 23:58
I'd donate as well.
You're one of how many along the front range?
Once again the .gov in it's infinite wisdom to keep tabs on gunsmiths (among other business) has now put people back in the shadows. Losing how many thousands of dollars in the process.
Yup, they don't understand economics. During the Reagan years when tax rate percentages were reduced the government actually took in more money because the tax rate reductions increased economic growth.
SamuraiCO
08-27-2016, 10:16
This is something Congress could really help with. The Fed agency is overstepping its bounds and needs to be slapped back. NRA has to be doing something to alert them.
Yup, they don't understand economics. During the Reagan years when tax rate percentages were reduced the government actually took in more money because the tax rate reductions increased economic growth.
...and the Democrat Congress spent all of that revenue and more.
Taxes are a disincentive to growth.
Aloha_Shooter
08-27-2016, 11:37
Yup, they don't understand economics. During the Reagan years when tax rate percentages were reduced the government actually took in more money because the tax rate reductions increased economic growth.
It's not about economics. It's about a backdoor way to discourage people from participating in the firearms trade and thereby reducing access or inclination. I'm sure this was red-teamed and debated before they unveiled this new "guidance" and the fact they don't have any power under Article II to do this or that it will do nothing to increase revenues has nothing to do with it.
HoneyBadger
08-27-2016, 11:38
If they can't absorb the extortion eerrr, "Registration Fee", who can?
That is saying something.
"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." -Frederic Bastiat
It's not about economics. It's about a backdoor way to discourage people from participating in the firearms trade and thereby reducing access or inclination. I'm sure this was red-teamed and debated before they unveiled this new "guidance" and the fact they don't have any power under Article II to do this or that it will do nothing to increase revenues has nothing to do with it.
Oh yes, I understand that, I was commenting on Kazoo's comment.
Losing how many thousands of dollars in the process.
.gov imposes this regulation and then they lose all the tax revenue they would have gained by leaving gunsmiths alone. Gunsmiths generate income tax, tax on parts and labor, tax on the gasoline to travel to and from the gunsmith, etc., stupid government loses all that revenue.
islandermyk
08-28-2016, 23:11
I hate bad news....
.. sometime soon I'll pay you a visit to have some drinks... I'm crashing at your place though [Coffee]
wctriumph
08-29-2016, 12:06
Sorry to hear of your decision, Bert. Do what is right in your heart for your family and we wish to the best. Prayers up for your and yours.
I'm talking bigger picture here.. What happens when all the major gun retailers go under? Ammo manufacturers? Accessory makers? The gun industry in America probably employs close to a million people.
Then what is next? The gun industry isn't the only one being regulated to death. Energy industries, manufacturing, even construction are all being regulated into their graves. What happens when those guys decide to call it quits because they can't operate anymore? It won't be pretty...
They (~50% of the population) would be dancing in the streets and having ticker-tape parades. Guns r ev0l, the energy sector is like totally killing the planet dude, and manufacturing belongs in China anyway. Check out the awesome shit I found at the dollar store!!!1!
Plus all those newly unemployed people would be easily manipulated by the Libtard promises of free bread and circuses. Win-win-win for the Democrats.
BushMasterBoy
08-30-2016, 23:09
More proof that Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama are total scumbags. The rest of the government is comprised of idiots.
Very sorry to hear of this. Just one step in the adminstration's shut down of the 2nd amendment.
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/08/atf-reclassifies-wetted-nitrocellulose-as-explosive-materials-under-federal-laws/#axzz4IwfQ6YOK
Washington, DC -(AmmoLand.com (http://www.ammoland.com/))- In an Explosives Industry Newsletter (https://www.atf.gov/file/106536/download) issued in June 2016, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) reclassified wetted nitrocellulose [also known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrocellulose) as flash paper, flash cotton, guncotton, and flash string] containing greater than 12.6 percent nitrogen as a high explosive under the federal explosives laws.
As explained below, this is a dramatic and sudden change in agency policy with a significant impact on the ammunition industry. The new policy was announced in a newsletter without any opportunity for industry input.
Read more: http://www.ammoland.com/2016/08/atf-reclassifies-wetted-nitrocellulose-as-explosive-materials-under-federal-laws/#ixzz4IwfpeXoa
Great-Kazoo
08-31-2016, 15:13
Very sorry to hear of this. Just one step in the adminstration's shut down of the 2nd amendment.
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/08/atf-reclassifies-wetted-nitrocellulose-as-explosive-materials-under-federal-laws/#axzz4IwfQ6YOK
Washington, DC -(AmmoLand.com (http://www.ammoland.com/))- In an Explosives Industry Newsletter (https://www.atf.gov/file/106536/download) issued in June 2016, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) reclassified wetted nitrocellulose [also known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrocellulose) as flash paper, flash cotton, guncotton, and flash string] containing greater than 12.6 percent nitrogen as a high explosive under the federal explosives laws.
As explained below, this is a dramatic and sudden change in agency policy with a significant impact on the ammunition industry. The new policy was announced in a newsletter without any opportunity for industry input.
Read more: http://www.ammoland.com/2016/08/atf-reclassifies-wetted-nitrocellulose-as-explosive-materials-under-federal-laws/#ixzz4IwfpeXoa
Not true, for now
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/158199-ATF-at-it-again-Reclassifying-Wetted-Nitrocellulose-as-Explosive-Material
https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=476
Cotton Joins Senate and House Colleagues in Urging Obama Administration To Rescind Misguided ITAR Guidance.
Hopefully this gains some traction.
BPTactical
09-01-2016, 22:15
https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=476
Cotton Joins Senate and House Colleagues in Urging Obama Administration To Rescind Misguided ITAR Guidance.
Hopefully this gains some traction.
Yes, hopefully it does. I spoke with Daines office and emailed them as soon as I got wind of this on the 25th.
Please contact him and lend support to this action: https://www.daines.senate.gov/
Thanks for posting it Robb.
Emails sent to both WY Senators. Cynthia Lummis is a lame duck and doesn't care.
Update https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160831/atf-delays-any-changes-to-nitrocellulose-regulation
ATF Delays Any Changes to Nitrocellulose Regulation
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 31, 2016
Earlier this summer, ATF released an Explosives Industry Newsletter (https://www.atf.gov/file/106536/download) that changed the agency’s treatment of nitrocellulose, the primary component in smokeless powders used in modern ammunition. This change had the potential to seriously disrupt ammunition supply in the United States because it changed a long-standing ATF policy that exempted properly “wetted” nitrocellulose from treatment as an explosive under federal law.
NRA and industry raised these concerns to ATF and any change in ATF’s treatment of nitrocellulose is now officially delayed. In an addendum (https://www.atf.gov/file/109341/download) to the earlier newsletter, ATF announced that it “will conduct further industry outreach concerning wetted Nitrocellulose. In the interim, previously authorized industry practices concerning wetted Nitrocellulose will not be affected.”
While the addendum doesn’t indicate that ATF has permanently abandoned this change to nitrocellulose regulation, smokeless powder manufacturers will be permitted to continue normal operation, at least for the time being. NRA will continue to work to ensure that any future change to nitrocellulose regulation will not affect ammunition supply.
Heard back from Senator Mike Enzi today, this was his email response verbatim...
Dear (name omitted)
I, along with 23 other senators, sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry on August 29 urging the State Department to rescind the unnecessary registration requirements and onerous fees for gunsmiths and firearms hobbyists.
As a former small business owner myself I understand the burden that federal regulations can bring. I am opposed to gun control legislation, which I believe doesn’t address the problem, but would punish law-abiding citizens. A new federal law is not going to solve every problem. Unelected bureaucrats, like those who wrote this registration requirement, should not be making or altering regulations without congressional approval. I will not allow the president to continue aggressively expanding executive branch authority to undermine the Second Amendment. To find out if you will be impacted, I encourage you to read the registration requirement from the Department of State here.
Thanks for contacting me. I value the input I get from folks in Wyoming. We await the Administration’s response to our concerns.
Sincerely,
Michael B. Enzi
United States Senator
MBE:MM
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