Standing Rock Protests

[Ah Pook]

Anyone following this? I have friends in the native American community, so I hear/see a lot more than what is on the news.

Cliven Bundy-media free-for-all
BLM=media-free-for-all
Native Americans protesting oil pipeline=crickets

[Great-Kazoo]

It's been happening for a few weeks. I too know a few people on the rez. 1 or 2 may or may not be in attendance.

[jhood001]

I actually know an intern that had access to a media executives notes from a story-picking meeting.

I share them here for the world (yes, they actually take note in crayon):

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/justinlhood/NoGunz_zpsg4okasft.png

[Martinjmpr]

Doesn't fit the narrative = doesn't make the news.

Bundy: "Angry white folks is bad!"

BLM: "Angry black folks is good!"

Indians: "Uh, What?"

[JohnnyDrama]

There has been resistance to that pipeline at various levels for over a year. I think it may finally have all the required permits to begin construction. Likely gonna be a pretty big legal mess before it's all said and done. I believe the above commenters take in relation to other protests are spot on. As far as the BLM folks go they have no clue what disenfranchised is when it comes to life on the rez.

[BushMasterBoy]

RT news (Russia Today) view is that what the North American early settlers did to the native aboriginals was nothing more than the worlds largest case of genocide. So basically the founding fathers made the Nazis look like amateurs. They almost completely obliterated an entire continent. How come they don't teach this in our schools? They didn't in mine anyways.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7baWokO4ms

[tawm]

RT news (Russia Today) view is that what the North American early settlers did to the native aboriginals was nothing more than the worlds largest case of genocide. So basically the founding fathers made the Nazis look like amateurs. They almost completely obliterated an entire continent. How come they don't teach this in our schools? They didn't in mine anyways.


They don't teach it because history is written by the unwashed, accidental victors. Realistically, disease was responsible for the fall of an estimated 98% of Native American population. Whenever you place large groups of people in confined spaces rapid disease spreading is the result, no matter the level of sanitation--which, compared to Europeans at the time, was much better-practiced among Native Americans. The disease was likely spread by the Europeans--though not intentionally. The Norse likely came to the "New World" first and were militarily outclassed and outmanned by the aboriginal people there, so they retreated back to their ships and little note was made of the encounter. Shortcut another hundred+ years and other Europeans start making tentative expeditions and discover drastically reduced populations. A lot of early European settlers also "went native" as well, seeing the much better living conditions of the Native Americans at the time.

Do I have any regrets/guilt? Welp, I'm alive because of all this. So no. I'd always keep in mind that RT, like all major media outlets, has its own agenda derived primarily from Russian oligarchies (not that they are completely bereft of truth).

At this point in history, we are all living on the backs of genocides, slavery, and trying not to be eaten by large predators before we began making ourselves miserable by plowing fields from dawn to dusk. Is it all right? Who is to say--it just is.

[KestrelBike]

Trust me, US public school kids are getting plenty of "white guilt" shoved down their throats regarding the Columbian Exchange.

[davsel]

National Guard called in.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-09/north-dakota-governor-activates-national-guard-against-pipeline-protest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VADcWANqBp8

[davsel]

RT news (Russia Today) view is that what the North American early settlers did to the native aboriginals was nothing more than the worlds largest case of genocide. So basically the founding fathers made the Nazis look like amateurs. They almost completely obliterated an entire continent. How come they don't teach this in our schools? They didn't in mine anyways.

Perhaps because it is 100% false anti-American propaganda?

[CO Hugh]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51M2Q6nfcjL._SX324_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Read any true account of the Indian wars not influenced by white guilt; they were depraved and barbaric before any Europeans ever showed up: Aztecs. There are several books regarding the wars since shortly after the mayflower arrived. Many of the accounts of their treatment of prisoners is horrific to read. the middle eastern types are clowns compared to the Indians.

Also the Russians love to use propaganda against the US. Query how many of their indigenous people did they kill: Ukrainians, "kurlaks" cassocks, and Russians.

[CS1983]

Russia has their own share of "native" crushing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_Siberia

[jhood001]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51M2Q6nfcjL._SX324_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Read any true account of the Indian wars not influenced by white guilt; they were depraved and barbaric before any Europeans ever showed up: Aztecs. There are several books regarding the wars since shortly after the mayflower arrived. Many of the accounts of their treatment of prisoners is horrific to read. the middle eastern types are clowns compared to the Indians.

Also the Russians love to use propaganda against the US. Query how many of their indigenous people did they kill: Ukrainians, "kurlaks" cassocks, and Russians.

I'm a bit curious here.

So the native americans were depraved and barbaric before Europeans ever showed up. Europeans weren't before they took the boat ride over? 1500-1800 was pretty incredible on the continent of Europe. I'm not seeing the relevance of that point unless you're using it to justify what european expansion into the americas did to native americans.

And so what if they were brutal and savage? I could have a neighbor that beats his wife, kicks his dog and slaps his kid around and I don't think moving in with him is going to fix that. I'm either going to end him, turn around and head home, or he is going to end me.

And don't get me wrong - I don't have any qualms over what happened on this continent 2-300 years ago. I'm just curious as to how this 'Standing Rock protests' thread got turned into a discussion about whether or not migrant europeans slaughtered a bunch of native americans. Fairly or unfairly... Unless it is a passive way of saying 'fuck 'em' in regards to what is currently going on.

Enlighten me!

And I'll see your picture of a book cover and raise you one... I just scored Empire of the Summer Moon on Audible. Looking forward to it!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Ggas_human_soc.jpg

GREAT book.

[davsel]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-14/riot-police-begin-mass-arrests-dakota-access-pipeline-facebook-censors-video

It didn’t take long after the National Guard was activated in North Dakota for militarized law enforcement to descend upon the site of the Dakota Access Pipeline. Today, mass arrests began as riot gear-clad police attempted to break up Native American opposition to the construction of the pipeline, which has been halted at one location but continues elsewhere.

According to independent news outlet Unicorn Riot, at least 20 protesters, or “water protectors,” have been arrested at gunpoint along with medics and two journalists. Police issued a one-time warning to “water protectors” that any trespassers would be arrested. The warning came after several people locked themselves to construction equipment in acts of civil disobedience on Tuesday.





[UPDATE: A Unicorn Riot collective member confirmed to Anti-Media via email that Facebook was blocking the video link with its “automated censorship system.”

“At a critical moment of our coverage of a Dakota Access Pipeline direct action today, Facebook’s automated censorship system blocked our video URL, shortly before two of our journalists were arrested onsite. As we started to cover today’s direct action, our collective members immediately noticed that the full Livestream event URL (https://livestream.com/unicornriot/events/6340986) was being blocked from Facebook. Posts and comments with the URL both immediately triggered popup security alerts. We tried putting the same URL through Bitly shortening and that official Unicorn Riot page post was deleted by Facebook within a few minutes. Finally we went with sharing our ‘Live Channel’ URL on our own website which had the embed included on it.

“We also verified that the ‘Facebook Debugger’ warned that our live video URL violated ‘community standards.’ Both Facebook and law enforcement acted to block our media distribution today, but we will not let them stop our mission to amplify the voices of people who might otherwise go unheard, and broadcast the stories that might otherwise go untold.

“Also, as one member of the collective, I should point out it is obviously concerning when a large media conglomerate blocks URLs to competing video platforms.”]

[Zundfolge]

I don't buy it. Smells like "Watermelons" using native Americans as pawns in their anti-capitalist, anti-industrialization, anti-western BS games.

I've been reading that no sacred lands are anywhere near touched by this and no water supplies are in danger that this is all bovine scat.


Based on how the media treats these kinds of issues I suspect we're being lied to.

[Great-Kazoo]

Waiting to see if a friend of ours made it there. Supposedly their friend Jennifer is going to try a broadcast from Standing Rock on a left of center (aren't they all) "Public" radio station
http://www.kvmr.org/
(http://www.kvmr.org/)

One can interpret this protest any way they want. If one supported the bundy movement in NV they cannot ignore this issue. Grazing on BLM land or wanting to stop intrusion on other lands. IMO There's a lot more going on than wanting to stop the pipeline.

[BushMasterBoy]

I was educated by George Lyle Parker. Great grandson of Quanah Parker. He had degrees in physics and chemistry. We used to have great discussions on semiconductor theory. The US Air Force provided funding for a complete electronics laboratory. The latest oscilloscopes, digital multimeters, etc. The place is now a "space control intelligence" facility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Feltwell

[jhood001]

I've been reading that no sacred lands are anywhere near touched by this

They aren't from what I can tell.




and no water supplies are in danger that this is all bovine scat.

Anything downstream of any pipeline having an accident is 'in danger'. The Missouri is a heavily channeled river and how much it waters surrounding lands could be debated. But an accident that poisoned it would be pretty catastrophic for 600-ish miles downstream.

I think this is more about people caring about something than tinfoil.

I spent a lot of time growing up on the Missouri just downstream from this proposed pipeline. Camping on the river bank - often times on res land. I fished the river in the summer and hunted the surrounding lands in fall and winter months.

I was a guest there on either private farm or res land. As such; I didn't and don't have any ownership there. But I can appreciate concerns by those that do.

[Justin]

Guns, Germs, and Steel, along with most of Jared Diamond's output is highly over rated.

Take a look at the criticism of his tale about Easter Island for a good look into how he basically peddles facil bs.

[SouthPaw]

They will believe anything you tell them:

http://www.9news.com/news/hoax-pipeline-pic-is-actually-from-woodstock-1969/319299482

[jhood001]

Guns, Germs, and Steel, along with most of Jared Diamond's output is highly over rated.

Take a look at the criticism of his tale about Easter Island for a good look into how he basically peddles facil bs.

I tend to leave criticism to critics. They're more interested in claiming accomplishment on works that have been done than actually doing work themselves.

I don't take anything that I read as gospel. But I know when I've gotten good information from something.

I found Guns, Germs and Steel enlightening in a lot of different ways.

What did YOU think about it? Or are you a critic? ^^See above.

[Dave_L]

So people on Facebook are "checking in" to Standing Rock as a way of showing support and making it hard for cops to know who's there for real or not. I haven't heard many updates on this so figured I'd bump it.

[Great-Kazoo]

So people on Facebook are "checking in" to Standing Rock as a way of showing support and making it hard for cops to know who's there for real or not. I haven't heard many updates on this so figured I'd bump it.

The ones on public land are wrong for trespassing. The one's on rez land should never be harrassed by K-9's and what i have seen to be "private security" crossing on to the rez. It's become a drone v drone with unmarked / no visible registration? numbers on the copters for the contractors.

It's going to be along winter...

[Kraven251]

currently I can't link the article due to URL blockage at work, but there is a lot more to this than being circulated by the anit-gov crowd. There has been considerable accommodation and adjustments to building sites and schedules...the Lakota lost out on about $50mil in compensation as well.

There is a lot more to this than it seems and despite typical government overreach and heavy handedness, this is a slightly different situation. ...which is why most of the stuff that has hit the court system was shot down.

[Dave_L]

Kraven, I've heard a few things like that. Ive been told there is A LOT more to this.

[GilpinGuy]

I read somewhere that the pipeline doesn't even cross res land. Then when confronted with that fact, they said "well, it will cross a river that flows through our res and if there's a leak....." blah blah blah.

I don't know much about this shitstorm, but if this is true it's much ado about nothing.

[def90]

I read somewhere that the pipeline doesn't even cross res land. Then when confronted with that fact, they said "well, it will cross a river that flows through our res and if there's a leak....." blah blah blah.

I don't know much about this shitstorm, but if this is true it's much ado about nothing.

That is my understanding as well from the little I've heard outside of Facebook land.



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[Great-Kazoo]

I read somewhere that the pipeline doesn't even cross res land. Then when confronted with that fact, they said "well, it will cross a river that flows through our res and if there's a leak....." blah blah blah.

I don't know much about this shitstorm, but if this is true it's much ado about nothing.

If a fertilizer plants waste line broke and contaminated the water that runs through your property. Wouldn't you have an issue with it?

There was a lot of outrage when the epa fucked up, polluting water all the way down through NM.

[def90]

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-environment/296926-on-the-dakota-access-pipeline-lets-stick-to-the-facts



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[Kraven251]

Personally I would have a considerable amount of problems with a pipeline under my water source...realize that is a water source for a large chunk of that region in some part or another.

That said, if they focused on that instead of all of the shit that isn't actually true, it would have gained far more traction early on.

[Irving]

Why a problem with a pipeline under the water source?

[Dave_L]

Why a problem with a pipeline under the water source?

From what I've read, the "standards" for this are 4 feet under the water source. I read somewhere that this pipeline is supposed to be 90' under but I haven't been able to confirm that. What I read was (2-4 ft) is the standard. That includes major rivers, farm irrigation, etc. Its all the same. The concern is that if it leaks, it'd still contaminate the water. There's also been some examples of the pipe becoming exposed in the river bed as the bed erodes away and then the pipe starts leaking.

[Grant H.]

Personally I would have a considerable amount of problems with a pipeline under my water source...realize that is a water source for a large chunk of that region in some part or another.

That said, if they focused on that instead of all of the shit that isn't actually true, it would have gained far more traction early on.

This. Except that I bet you every single water source you pull from has a pipeline under it. Take a look at the maps of pipelines in this country. You can't get away from them being under your water source.

I know a few of the guys involved in the pipeline project, and the media circus that this has become is all based on a farce.

This doesn't cross NA land, it doesn't effect their ability to live on the land they have, and with the exception of the pipeline crossing under the river, it doesn't pose any possible risk.

As for the possibility of a leak under the river contaminating the river, sure, anything is possible. However, people that haven't been involved, and don't know, have no clue about the stringent tests that are required for pipelines being put in the ground. Welders have to be certified, all welds are tested thoroughly and THEN xray'd for integrity, then there is pressure testing, and then they get to put it in the ground. But oh, guess what, it gets tested more once it's been buried, so it's back to high pressure testing (significantly higher than the pressures of running crude through the pipeline), and it all still has to pass. It's not some simple water/sewer pipe. So, the likelihood of a leak? Pretty damn low.

Don't want a pipeline? Sweet, so you must like truck/train traffic for all that crude being moved. Guess what, trucks and trains cause way more spills than pipelines. The simple nature of the process lends itself to more spills. Move the oil from the production facility to a truck (flexible pipes, truck mounted pumps, operator error, etc), haul the truck (with some dumbass driver) across highways and streets to a depot. Now we unload the truck into tanks (flexible pipes, truck mounted pumps, operator error, etc) so we can pump it into rail cars (flexible pipes, truck mounted pumps, operator error, etc), now we ship it on down the way via train and hope the train doesn't have a problem and cause a spill (happens more than UPRR et all want to admit), so we can unload it into tanks again at the refinery (flexible pipes, truck mounted pumps, operator error, etc)...

Right, because that's way less likely to have issues that a highly tested, welded, pipe that's buried in the ground away from dumbasses and their shenanigans...

I won't even get into the hypocrisy of all this. That's too easy, and should be apparent to anyone that understands what the O/G industry really supports...

[Dave_L]

The analogy I always heard was "If you're going to move a bunch of water while trying to spill as little as possible, are you going to move it bucket by bucket? Or get a hose/tube to flow it through?".

[GilpinGuy]

Pipelines are much safer than any other means of transporting petroleum. There are thousands and thousands of miles of pipelines in the US. When was the last big leak that significantly effected anyone? I really don't know (and haven't searched).

[JohnnyDrama]

That said, if they focused on that instead of all of the shit that isn't actually true, it would have gained far more traction early on.

I think that's part of what happened. Everybody was focused on Keystone while this project was quietly being laid out, surveyed, and working it's way through the permitting process. By the time anybody got wind of Dakota Access, everybody who needed to sign off on it had done so.

[earplug]

There are numerous job openings at the Standing Rock Reservation. One is for a breast feeding facilitator trainer.

[CS1983]

Not hard to see why they're pissed.

http://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/11012016standingrock-780x645.gif

[WETWRKS]

Not hard to see why they're pissed.

I'm sorry but why are they just now protesting and if they are pissed about the loss of territory then why are they protesting a pipeline instead of the loss of territory? Why is it they are protesting against a corporation and not the Federal government? That is just the liberal media trying to justify their actions. Most likely this has more to do with $ than anything.

[CS1983]

I'm sorry but why are they just now protesting and if they are pissed about the loss of territory then why are they protesting a pipeline instead of the loss of territory? Why is it they are protesting against a corporation and not the Federal government? That is just the liberal media trying to justify their actions. Most likely this has more to do with $ than anything.

Take a piece of paper and write your ancestry on it. Have someone take it from you and tear off a piece. Again, tear off a piece. Now tear another. And another. Now let someone take your last few scraps and decide they want to do something with it you don't want them to.

And when you are done with this exercise, and looking at your little piece of paper, your patrimony on the floor, having protested for generations, you might see why something so small would be such a big deal to them.

[WETWRKS]

Take a piece of paper and write your ancestry on it. Have someone take it from you and tear off a piece. Again, tear off a piece. Now tear another. And another. Now let someone take your last few scraps and decide they want to do something with it you don't want them to.

And when you are done with this exercise, and looking at your little piece of paper, your patrimony on the floor, having protested for generations, you might see why something so small would be such a big deal to them.

I understand that...my point was...why protest a pipeline if you are upset about the loss of land. Protest the loss of land.

Also why protest against a corporation who didn't take your land and cannot give it back instead of protesting against the government who did and could?

[Zundfolge]

I understand that...my point was...why protest a pipeline if you are upset about the loss of land. Protest the loss of land.

Also why protest against a corporation who didn't take your land and cannot give it back instead of protesting against the government who did and could?

Because just like the Black Lives Matter movement is not run by blacks or for the preservation of black lives, the movement against the pipeline is run by Marxists ... by Soros ... by people that are using the grievances of powerless people to stealthily implement their own plans.

This is about attacking energy production to keep America weaker. Nothing more.

[SamuraiCO]

Because just like the Black Lives Matter movement is not run by blacks or for the preservation of black lives, the movement against the pipeline is run by Marxists ... by Soros ... by people that are using the grievances of powerless people to stealthily implement their own plans.

This is about attacking energy production to keep America weaker. Nothing more.


Winner!!!!!

[CS1983]

I understand that...my point was...why protest a pipeline if you are upset about the loss of land. Protest the loss of land.
Also why protest against a corporation who didn't take your land and cannot give it back instead of protesting against the government who did and could?
The loss of the land contra the 1851 treaty *is* part of their impetus to protest it.
Personally, I think they should have taken the 50 million offered to them (though it doesn't equate to much per person given their population of 8250ish)
That said, it could be and likely is a combination of things: a legitimate grievance regarding land being systematically stolen; useful idiots being played by nefarious outsiders; etc.
I saw this sort of thing when I joined Iraq Veterans Against the War. I personally joined because I was against the needlessness of Iraq and the retarded way it was prosecuted after having seen it with my own eyes. What I found instead was a perfect vector for outside Marxist groups to capitalize on what was an otherwise legitimate grievance and vector for said grievance. Thus, I quit IVAW.

I would assume it's similar. But while the outside influence is repugnant and doesn't help, it doesn't discount a continual source of anger for that tribe and multiple others.

[davsel]

And now for the rest of the story...

http://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/op-ed-columns/4158377-viewpoint-what-dapl-protesters-arent-telling-you



...
The activists tell an emotionally charged tale of greed, racism and misbehavior by corporate and government officials. But the real story of the Dakota Access Pipeline was revealed in court documents in September, and it is nothing like the activists' tale. In fact, it is the complete opposite.


The record shows that Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the pipeline, spent years working diligently with federal, state and local officials to route the pipeline safely and with the fewest possible disruptions. The contrast between the protesters' claims and the facts on record is stunning.


Protesters claim that the pipeline was "fast-tracked," denying tribal leaders the opportunity to participate in the process. In fact, project leaders participated in 559 meetings with community leaders, local officials and organizations to listen to concerns and fine-tune the route. The company asked for, and received, a tougher federal permitting process at sites along the Missouri River.


This more difficult procedure included a mandated review of each water crossing's potential effect on historical artifacts and locations.


Protesters claim that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to consult tribal leaders as required by federal law. The record shows that the corps held 389 meetings with 55 tribes. Corps officials met many times with leaders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which initiated the lawsuit and the protests.


Protesters claim that the Standing Rock Sioux pursued meetings with an unresponsive Army Corps of Engineers. Court records show that the roles in that story were in fact reversed. The corps alerted the tribe to the pipeline permit application in the fall of 2014 and repeatedly requested comments from and meetings with tribal leaders, only to be rebuffed over and over. Tribal leaders ignored requests for comment and canceled meetings multiple times.
...

[Joe_K]

Regardless of the why or the who, using water cannons in the winter on unarmed people is ridiculous. When Ammon Bundy took over the wildlife refuge we had a bunch of sympathetic folks on this forum for them, even though it is arguable that the Bundys had less standing in that case.



Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[Great-Kazoo]

Regardless of the why or the who, using water cannons in the winter on unarmed people is ridiculous. When Ammon Bundy took over the wildlife refuge we had a bunch of sympathetic folks on this forum for them, even though it is arguable that the Bundys had less standing in that case.



Velocitas, Opprimere,



Violentia Operandi

Concussion grenade also put woman in hospital with potential of losing arm. Again we either support all protest against .gov intrusion, or we don't. There is a greater qty of .gov LE and contractors going against the "protestors" .
Like M.L said the outrage over the Bundy issue was somewhat rampant here.

[davsel]

Concussion grenade also put woman in hospital with potential of losing arm. Again we either support all protest against .gov intrusion, or we don't. There is a greater qty of .gov LE and contractors going against the "protestors" .
Like M.L said the outrage over the Bundy issue was somewhat rampant here.


http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/23/really-injured-sophia-wilansky/


Law enforcement say they are investigating the use of homemade explosives at a Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) protest. They have recovered weapons and are investigating whether or not they are related to injuries a female protester suffered.

Law enforcement say around 3:00 a.m. November 21, protester activity had de-escalated near the Backwater Bridge, but they noticed two males and a female using a barricade to hide their activity.

Officials say they gave repeated orders for the three people to come out from behind the barricade and they attempted to force them out with “less than lethal” bean bags and sponge rounds. It was then the officers noticed the protesters approach and roll multiple metallic cylinder objects.

“The subjects were given opportunities to retreat back, but it became obvious that they were tampering with the vehicle or planting a device,” said Highway Patrol Lieutenant Tom Iverson. “Their strange mannerisms led law enforcement to believe they were there for a purpose with a calculated effort to either cause harm or breach the line.”

Lt. Iverson says after the cylinders were rolled, law enforcement witnessed an explosion. Several protesters ran to the area, pulled a female from under the vehicle, and fled the scene.

Law Enforcement received information that protesters were using one-pound propane cylinders as explosives and the North Dakota Bureau of Criminal Investigation with support from Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms recovered three of these propane canisters from the site of the explosion.

Investigators also collected rocks and glass jars consistent with the design of Molotov cocktails that were used as weapons against law enforcement.


Hmm

[davsel]

Regardless of the why or the who, using water cannons in the winter on unarmed people is ridiculous. When Ammon Bundy took over the wildlife refuge we had a bunch of sympathetic folks on this forum for them, even though it is arguable that the Bundys had less standing in that case.

Appears water hoses were used to put out fires started by protesters as well as dousing those who got too close to the line. The vast majority of protesters remained dry.

I'm not taking a side, just pointing out that there are two sides to every "news story."

Protester drone footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYdVcJyhSPg

[Great-Kazoo]

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/23/really-injured-sophia-wilansky/



Hmm


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/23/503120449/woman-injured-at-standing-rock-protest-might-lose-arm-family-says

Police and protesters — who call themselves water protectors — have very different explanations for how Sophia Wilansky was injured early Monday morning. Protesters say she was struck by a police weapon; police suggest she might have been involved in an explosion caused by protesters.

"Both sides agree that the overnight protest got tense, but that's where any agreement ends

[Great-Kazoo]

Appears water hoses were used to put out fires started by protesters as well as dousing those who got too close to the line. The vast majority of protesters remained dry.

I'm not taking a side, just pointing out that there are two sides to every "news story."

Protester drone footage:





















































https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYdVcJyhSPg

And here's another view.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/22/standing-rock-protester-in-danger-of-losing-arm-after-police-use-force/

This one shows the other side of the fire, where there's nothing but protesters 1.04mark. Then pans to the other side where "fires" were.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abJ_GbNWZg8


Personally the whole deal is fukied. It seems the people showing up now are more interested in a T-Shirt, than what the original protest was about. Once again co-opted by outside forces.

[HoneyBadger]

Here's a recent memo published by the President of the National Sheriff's Association, Greg Champagne.

https://www.facebook.com/sheriff.gregchampagne/posts/1337399006279642?pnref=story


I was extremely privileged in the last several days to have the opportunity to travel to North Dakota as President of the National Sheriffs' Association to see firsthand the protest and the response thereto to the Dakota Access Pipeline Project near the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation about 25 miles south of Bismarck.


I learned first that the pipeline project, which has been in the works for several years, will traverse four states including North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Illinois carrying crude oil. I was surprised to learn that a natural gas pipeline is already underground on the same right of way. The DAP has received all federal approvals over several years and, litigation which attempted to stop it in the federal courts has been resolved. Despite this project being very "federal" in nature and clearly in interstate commerce, the Obama administration has refused to provide any law enforcement or other support to North Dakota state and local law enforcement that has placed them in the position of having to enforce the rule of law. As usual, law enforcement is put between the rock and hard place due to various political agendas.


Based upon sensational news reports, I had the wrong impression that this pipeline was to run directly through the Standing Rock Reservation and would disturb ancient burial grounds of the Sioux Tribes. The argument has evolved now that this pipeline will jeopardize the water supply of the Missouri River (despite the fact that the pipeline will pass under other rivers including the Mississippi throughout its entire route). Also, the Cannonball River which runs throughout the Standing Rock Reservation is actually “upstream” from the pipeline crossing. This false narrative has understandably generated a great deal of sympathy and support from many quarters for the Standing Rock Sioux People. I quickly learned and saw for myself that this was untrue. The pipeline passes about two miles north of the reservation and that years of archeological study uncovered no significant native historical sites. It is difficult to believe that a single modern pipeline would be more environmentally risky than transporting crude oil by rail or truck through the same territory.


The Dakota Access Pipeline is 95% complete and the construction work near Standing Rock is the last phase which will tie the pipeline together. It is a 3.7 Billion Dollar Project.


This past Thursday, October 27th, steps were taken the morning before I arrived which evicted protestors from private property directly in the path of the pipeline. This "northern" camp was erected just days before and the occupants had been warned repeatedly for several days that their presence there was unlawful and that eviction was imminent. These warnings went unheeded. Despite the statements coming from the media and protesters that they were completely peaceful and prayerful, it has been a fact that more militant protestors (terrorists) have destroyed property and physically beaten employees of the company in recent weeks. I personally witnessed and photographed what I estimate to be at least a half of a million dollars in damage to bulldozers and excavators. I further learned that many protestors other than Native American groups have descended upon the area such as anarchists and eco-terrorists who are hell bent on committing violence and damage. The police presence in the area to protect farmers, ranchers and other private property interests have been costing the state of North Dakota millions of dollars.


The Sheriffs of several states have contributed manpower over the last several weeks to help preserve order and protect property. On October 27th, law enforcement evicted the trespassers form the north camp on private property about three miles north of the Cannonball River. While pleading with the trespassers for a peaceful move, law enforcement officers were met with Molotov cocktails and various missiles such as rocks and logs being thrown at them causing numerous injuries to the officers. The only discharge of a firearm occurred when a protestor fired at the line of officers. Miraculously, none were hit by the bullets. When the protestors were moved south of the bridge, two trucks used to blockade the roadway were set on fire by the protestors. This action now has very possibly jeopardized the integrity of that bridge. News accounts ironically then decried the use of defensive equipment such as “riot gear” and armored vehicles by law enforcement.


Many media sites reported only that "heavy handed" police tactics were used upon the protestors who were only praying and "peacefully" protesting. These same outlets failed to mention the shooting, Molotov cocktails, and extensive property and equipment damage produced by some of the protestors. The protestors even cut fences and attempted to induce a domesticated buffalo herd to stampede through the area. The owners of the herd, whom I spoke with personally indicated that at least of dozen of their buffalo were killed by protestors.


The next morning, I was present as law enforcement leaders including Sheriff Paul Laney met with leaders of the tribe. The tribal representatives lamented the violent and destructive behavior of "outsiders" who had come in only to commit violence. They indicated that they would encourage these violent agitators to leave the camp and protest.


While the entire situation seemed to be de-escalating upon my departure on Sunday October 30th, it remains to be seen if the violence and illegal acts are truly over. I must commend the professionalism and patience of law enforcement officers under the leadership of sheriffs such as Cass County Sheriff and National Sheriffs' Association Board member Paul Laney, Morton County Sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier, and Burleigh County Sheriff Paul Heinert. The North Dakota State Police as well as several area Police Departments also played essential roles. The operation evicting trespassers, some of which became violent was carried out with professionalism and restraint despite liberal press stories to the contrary. I must also commend the numerous sheriffs’ office throughout the multi-state area including NSA Executive Committee Member Rich Stanek of Hennepin County, Minnesota who sent personnel to assist with protecting lives and property.


I certainly feel empathy for the Native American peoples of America and especially the Sioux due to the treatment they received at the hands of the U.S. Government in the latter part of the 19th Century. These Native American Cultures are and should be a proud people for whom we should all have concern. However, the law and facts simply do not weigh in their favor in this case from everything I seen. This project went through an extensive approval process over many years and court challenges in Federal Court have failed to be successful. We are a nation of laws. Emotion and empathy cannot carry the day. It just seems that opposition to this pipeline is not reasonably based upon legitimate environmental concerns. Energy independence has been one of the major goals of this country for decades. In my home state of Louisiana, we are surrounded by gas and oil pipelines and safely so. In another ironic twist, it is widely known that the Standing Rock Tribal Chairman owns a convenience store and gasoline station on the reservation.


It's time for everyone to move on in reference to The Dakota Access Pipeline and stop putting further strain on the citizens and law enforcement officers of North Dakota and surrounding states.


Greg Champagne, President
National Sheriffs’ Association


I highly recommend the facebook link above. It contains pictures of some of the damage done by protesters, as well as some questions which Greg answers himself. Here's an example:

[Facebook commenter:] Thanks Greg...I do side with the Sioux on this, but are you saying the protestors were on private property and not on reservation land?


[Greg Champagne (https://www.facebook.com/sheriff.gregchampagne?fref=ufi)]Thanks for the question, [name omitted]. Up until about a week or so ago, the 3 original protest camps were in the basin of the Cannonball River which is actually U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Property on the northern edge of the reservation. No effort nor threat to remove them from that property was ever made. About a week ago, a smaller group of more radical protestors set up a camp in the direct path of the pipeline construction which was 3 miles north of the Standing Rock Reservation boundary. The obvious purpose of the new camp referred to as the North Camp was to get in the path of the pipeline construction which was closing on that spot. It is indeed private property and, as I indicated about 3 miles from the reservation. This is the location and only location which the police removed protestors from. Those who refused to move were arrested last Thursday and the rest were pushed back onto the original camp sites on Corps Property. The largest of those camps on Corps property is pictured behind me. My purpose in going was to support the sheriffs and their deputies who had to enforce the rule of law.

[BushMasterBoy]

Army put the pipeline on hold.

[cstone]

Corps of Engineers gave their approval and then suddenly took back that approval. Seems to me there was a term for that type of giving when I was a kid. I'm sure it will come back to me at some point.

Why would anyone choose to invest over a billion dollars into any project with this type of government BS?

If I were the tribal leaders I think I would have asked the question this way: If this pipeline is so safe then why did the Corps of Engineers and the State of ND choose to reroute it south of Bismark rather than the way it was initially proposed to go north of Bismark when it crossed the Missouri River?

Of course any agreement that any state or federal government agency makes with native peoples is worthless. They probably should have bargained for a percentage of the oil revenues flowing through the pipeline and a binding agreement that the cost of any spill will be paid by the pipeline owner and to the satisfaction of the tribal government.

Simple lesson but never seems to be learned for long: Don't trust the government.

[Great-Kazoo]

Corps of Engineers gave their approval and then suddenly took back that approval. Seems to me there was a term for that type of giving when I was a kid. I'm sure it will come back to me at some point. Even on the rez we still call someone an Indian Giver. Now saying Cowboy Up gets some irate

Why would anyone choose to invest over a billion dollars into any project with this type of government BS?

If I were the tribal leaders I think I would have asked the question this way: If this pipeline is so safe then why did the Corps of Engineers and the State of ND choose to reroute it south of Bismark rather than the way it was initially proposed to go north of Bismark when it crossed the Missouri River?

Of course any agreement that any state or federal government agency makes with native peoples is worthless. They probably should have bargained for a percentage of the oil revenues flowing through the pipeline and a binding agreement that the cost of any spill will be paid by the pipeline owner and to the satisfaction of the tribal government.

Simple lesson but never seems to be learned for long: Don't trust the government.

Of that there is no doubt. No matter what administration is in power

[erock]

I think that's part of what happened. Everybody was focused on Keystone while this project was quietly being laid out, surveyed, and working it's way through the permitting process. By the time anybody got wind of Dakota Access, everybody who needed to sign off on it had done so.

???

You can't just quietly produce an environmental assessment or impact study. There are requirements for public announcements, meetings, and comment period.


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[JohnnyDrama]

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You can't just quietly produce an environmental assessment or impact study. There are requirements for public announcements, meetings, and comment period.


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There sir, you are absolutely right. DAPL was in all the newspapers, on the local news, written about in trade periodicals, and the talk of many North Dakota property owners the summer of 2015. You just had to be in North Dakota to see/hear it.


They probably should have bargained for a percentage of the oil revenues flowing through the pipeline and a binding agreement that the cost of any spill will be paid by the pipeline owner and to the satisfaction of the tribal government.

Who says there wasn't, and the oil company just rerouted the pipeline?