Magazines vs Clips

[BlasterBob]

Ever wonder when the internal cartridge holders (magazines) for pistols/long guns attained the official name of MAGAZINES? ?Back in the 1940's when GI's were bringing their Lugers and P-38 and other pistol souvenirs back, the magazines were almost always referred to as CLIPS. But now we all know the huge difference between a magazine and a clip. Here are a few ads showing "CLIPS". Most of us really old timers do properly call them magazines now but there are still a few hold out's use the old term "CLIPS" as some habits are difficult to break. (Also, there is a muzzle brake rather than a muzzle break)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/bobjan/image_zpsbp793lyq.jpeg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bobjan/media/image_zpsbp793lyq.jpeg.html)

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[thvigil11]

Leave it to Bob to remember the day when you could pick up a mini for $150 bucks. What were you back then 55? 60?

[Coffee]

I kidd, I kidd. Life up north slow enough for you to look through old magazines?

[Great-Kazoo]

Life up north slow enough for you to look through old magazines?


Beat me to it. Probably too humid for his medical devices to be outside.

[BlasterBob]

Those were Shotgun News ads from 1978. Heck, I was only 42 when that was published. Hey, it's a bitch to get old IF our memory fails us.
[blaster]

[BlasterBob]

Beat me to it. Probably too humid for his medical devices to be outside.

HUMID, yes and that's why Illinois is commonly known as "The RUST BELT"
Nope, no medical devices, not even a cane or walker although a new set of knees would be kinda nice. Only take one daily pill and that is only a script to maintain good chlorestrol numbers. Fellow shooters fail to believe I will turn 80 years old in December. So, there is hope for you guys to get to be an old bastard like me IF you play your cards right.

[KestrelBike]

BlasterBob's the best!

[SAnd]

I have a manual from 1918 for the "United States Rifle, Caliber.30, Model of 1917" says "The magazine is directly beneath the bolt and is loaded from the top from a clip of five cartridges while the bolt is retracted."
There is a pdf description of the "Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, Model of 1911" 1914 revision, available on the internet. It says "The receiver has suitable guides for the reciprocating slide and a hollow handle in which the magazine is inserted from below and is locked in place by the magazine catch,...
So the official mane for the removable magazines goes back to at least 1914 for the 1911 Pistol.
I'll speculate that the clip / magazine thing probably happened it the World War II era when a bunch of GIs were trained on mainly rifles that used clips for ammunition supply and it bled over to the other guns that used detachable magazines.

[Zundfolge]

It's called argumentum ad antiquitatem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition).

Back in the day people used to call African Americans "N***ers" ... that doesn't mean it was right :p



Wow those 40 round mags were expensive! $21.50 in 1978 is equivalent to $78.92 today!

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

[Robb]

Beat me to it. Probably too humid for his medical devices to be outside.

That was funny as Hell, cold, but funny.

[motoboy]

Great.......

I always give people crap when they refer to magazines and call them clips.

Now I also need to ask how old they are??? [facepalm]

[SAnd]

Thanks for posting the pictures.

[GilpinGuy]

No, no, no. Those ads were written by libtard idiots....70 years ago.[Sarcasm2]

[Circuits]

A great majority of WW2 vets were trained on the garand, and associated "clips" with "portable reloading devices". That's a big mass of popular usage to fight against by the M1 carbine or BAR gunners, if they even agreed or cared. The distinction picked up more significance in later generations, but there is still a body of countervailing lore and common usage from the experiences of the garanders and those whose lives they influenced.

[rondog]

Always been muzzle brake, will always be muzzle brake. Muzzle "break" is just friggin wrong......

[BlasterBob]

Always been muzzle brake, will always be muzzle brake. Muzzle "break" is just friggin wrong......

You are absolutely correct in that particular muzzle device being a BRAKE and not a break and that was my point exactly.. Still, so many of the ads posted spell the brake as break.
Oh, while we are at it, a post in the For Sale section is an ad, not an add. Yeah, there is a difference in the two and NO, I am not a word cop.[blaster]

[rondog]

You are absolutely correct in that particular muzzle device being a BRAKE and not a break and that was my point exactly.. Still, so many of the ads posted spell the brake as break.
Oh, while we are at it, a post in the For Sale section is an ad, not an add. Yeah, there is a difference in the two and NO, I am not a word cop.[blaster]

I'm not a word cop either, but my mom and grandma made me anal about spelling. When somebody's talking about a turret press and spells it "turrent", I just go into convulsions and start flopping around on the floor.....

[BlasterBob]

I'm not a word cop either, but my mom and grandma made me anal about spelling. When somebody's talking about a turret press and spells it "turrent", I just go into convulsions and start flopping around on the floor.....

Thanks (really) as I, for one, had always thought there was an N in the word turret. I feel that most (or at least a good number people) do add the N to the word when pronouncing it. Thanks for the lesson, never too old to learn.[blaster]

[newracer]

Ruger and Marlin still refer to magazines as clips in their manuals.


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[BlasterBob]

A great majority of WW2 vets were trained on the garand, and associated "clips" with "portable reloading devices". That's a big mass of popular usage to fight against by the M1 carbine or BAR gunners, if they even agreed or cared. The distinction picked up more significance in later generations, but there is still a body of countervailing lore and common usage from the experiences of the garanders and those whose lives they influenced.

Correct on the training era with M1 Garands. The Garands were still in heavy use in Mid-1955 when I went through Basic training at Camp Chaffee, Arkansas. I still have an M1 Garand and a number of "CLIPS" to properly feed it.[blaster]

[BlasterBob]

Ruger and Marlin still refer to magazines as clips in their manuals.
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Now we have to hope our wonderful Legislators will learn the difference between CLIPS and MAGAZINES also semi/full auto.

[clodhopper]

Now we have to hope our wonderful Legislators will learn the difference between CLIPS and MAGAZINES also semi/full auto.

Just when I determine you are of solid mental state despite your age, you then take a hard right turn into Alzheimer's.

[ray1970]

I've started switching all of my firearms over to "clips".

Since "magazines" over 15 rounds have been "banned" around here but it doesn't specify anything about "clips" I just buy "clips" in whatever capacity I want.
[Awesom]

[clodhopper]

I've started switching all of my firearms over to "clips".

Since "magazines" over 15 rounds have been "banned" around here but it doesn't specify anything about "clips" I just buy "clips" in whatever capacity I want.
[Awesom]


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[SAnd]

I've started switching all of my firearms over to "clips".

Since "magazines" over 15 rounds have been "banned" around here but it doesn't specify anything about "clips" I just buy "clips" in whatever capacity I want.
[Awesom]

(2) (a) "LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE MEANS: (I) A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP, OR
SIMILAR DEVICE CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF
AMMUNITION;
[ROFL1]

[brutal]

Cummings vs Cummins.


Grrrr. Chaps my hide. I think some do it just to get a rile out of folks.

[ray1970]

(2) (a) "LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE MEANS: (I) A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP, OR
SIMILAR DEVICE CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE
READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF
AMMUNITION;
[ROFL1]


See. No mention of "clips". And since a "clip" and a "magazine" are obviously two totally different things then it doesn't even qualify as a "similar device" if you ask me.
[Coffee]

[BlasterBob]

Just when I determine you are of solid mental state despite your age, you then take a hard right turn into Alzheimer's.

Perhaps you know something about my mental condition that I am not aware of.
No Alzheimer's (YET) but once in a while have a case of Some-timers.

[Guylee]

I'm not a word cop either, but my mom and grandma made me anal about spelling. When somebody's talking about a turret press and spells it "turrent", I just go into convulsions and start flopping around on the floor.....

When people can't figure out how to spell "definitely" and end up with "defiantly," I go on a puppy punting spree. I have no idea why that one in particular bothers me so much.

[clodhopper]

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[Colorado Osprey]

Seems this comes up every few years
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/34563-Clips-vs-Magazine
It was only a 60 post section last time

[bczandm]

What are you guys talking about? A clip is something done at the barber and a magazine is something you read.

The other one I am seeing on a regular basis when looking at firearm for sale is "For sell" rather than "For sale".

Clip vs magazine always gets me as does Bullet vs cartridge.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Arguing over terminology is a way for people to feel superior. <shrug>

Lexicon is important in some fields and even in shooting -- is the gun accurate, or precise? I remembered "clip" and "magazine" being used pretty interchangeably when I was a youngster but I wasn't in a gun family and knew Hollywood screws up things like that all the time so I accepted the "it's a magazine, not a clip" arguments and just pressed on. Today, I just laugh when someone gets bent out of shape over someone else referring to a clip of ammunition.

[rondog]

When people can't figure out how to spell "definitely" and end up with "defiantly," I go on a puppy punting spree. I have no idea why that one in particular bothers me so much.

Oh yeah, me too! Forgot about that one! But I ain't punting no puppies, not fer nothin'! Loves me some puppies.....

[HoneyBadger]

Wow those 40 round mags were expensive! $21.50 in 1978 is equivalent to $78.92 today!

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
That's what I was thinking...