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milwaukeeshaker
09-13-2016, 07:51
This is about remembering something not discussed in most schools. 12/7/41 2008 killed, 710 wounded.

Monky
09-13-2016, 08:49
??? You're a couple months off.


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

milwaukeeshaker
09-13-2016, 09:51
Just thought it was important to get a jump on it, most will not remember this date as the time when a real war was declared, and Americans lost their lives due to an unprovoked, surprise attack.

TheSparkens
09-13-2016, 20:55
I hate to think that we don't talk about things like this in schools because its not politically correct. My father was saved by a big bomb that saved possible hundreds of thousands of lives when the war ended and that is not talked about much ether. He was USMC at that time and had gotten orders just as the war ended that he was going to fight the Japanese, the irony in all of this is I married a Japanese American woman and when our fathers meet they had a lot to talk about because my wifes father was also saved by that same bomb because he had volunteered to fight that same fight but his farm land had been taken and they were living in an internment camp in southern Colorado but both men had love of country and recognize how important each person was. If we don't talk or teach this we are bond to forget and repeat this type of thing. It is to bad that are kids never heard their stories because they were the best generation ever and asked for nothing back.

buffalobo
09-13-2016, 21:48
Case of HUB

Then you won't mind deleting your post like he deleted his and stick to the topic.

drew890
09-13-2016, 22:09
"...not discussed in most schools". Provide evidence to support this claim that the attack on Pearl Harbor is no longer taught.

beast556
09-13-2016, 22:23
Im 37 and the only time pearl Harbor was brought up when i was in school was around tenth grade. All they said is the japs bombed us and that was why we got involved in ww2.

cstone
09-13-2016, 22:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

Great-Kazoo
09-13-2016, 22:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M7c0702abd4fc7b5559a5a4d3dbd51892H0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=229&h=154

HOLLY WOOD
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M6e21713858a6599eec3a4353cdfd40fao0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=253&h=169

buffalobo
09-13-2016, 23:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI


https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M7c0702abd4fc7b5559a5a4d3dbd51892H0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=229&h=154

HOLLY WOOD
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M6e21713858a6599eec3a4353cdfd40fao0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=253&h=169

Two of my favorites, pretty loose on the history though.

.455_Hunter
09-14-2016, 13:20
Comprehensive US history is taught a couple of times in K-12. Most students may get their first exposure to WWII in 8th grade, but the primary "in-depth" study occurs during the junior year in HS, where entire build-up, conflict, and aftermath is covered. For many people, this is their last substantive study of general history, particularly if they do not go to college, or study a technical field in college.

SouthPaw
09-14-2016, 13:39
their first exposure to WWII in 8th grade, but the primary "in-depth" study occurs during the junior year in HS, where entire build-up, conflict, and aftermath is covered.

Accurate for me. Senior year was all dedicated to .gov.

Ronin13
09-14-2016, 16:36
Just thought it was important to get a jump on it, most will not remember this date as the time when a real war was declared, and Americans lost their lives due to an unprovoked, surprise attack.

Not to nitpick, as I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but by "real war" I hope you aren't trying to insinuate that the war declared after 9/11/01 wasn't a "real" war, even though Americans lost their lives due to an unprovoked, surprise attack.

I learned about Pearl Harbor in History class throughout school. Even in my American History class my senior year of HS, the teacher had us listen to the entirety of FDR's speech and discuss the significance.

milwaukeeshaker
09-14-2016, 17:36
I meant this is not a congressionally declared war, so in that sense not a real declared war, just another in the line of police actions. I'm sure it's real to those that fought and are fighting it.

Aloha_Shooter
09-14-2016, 18:26
I meant this is not a congressionally declared war, so in that sense not a real declared war, just another in the line of police actions. I'm sure it's real to those that fought and are fighting it.

Incorrect again. Both houses of Congress issued a joint declaration of war on terrorism on 14 September 2001.


A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States . Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise it rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad, and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence, and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States,

Whereas, the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States.

Resolved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the ``Authorization for Use of Military Force''.

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS.--

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION.--Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS.--Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.


You can certainly argue that the joint resolution was hasty or ill-conceived or poorly worded but it existed and was overwhelmingly approved.

Ronin13
09-15-2016, 12:56
Incorrect again. Both houses of Congress issued a joint declaration of war on terrorism on 14 September 2001.




You can certainly argue that the joint resolution was hasty or ill-conceived or poorly worded but it existed and was overwhelmingly approved.

I was just about to point this out. If Congress didn't have a hand in OIF, why did Gen Powell go before them with evidence?

spqrzilla
09-15-2016, 13:49
I think that the start of the Pacific War is indeed poorly taught in our K-12 history classes. The OP is an example. The attack on Pearl Harbor was not "unprovoked". Indeed, the United States had been intervening in Japan's war of aggression against China for some time. We had sent some arms and technical advice to the Nationalist government of China and as early as April of 1941 FDR had approved the creation of the American Volunteer Group ("Flying Tigers") to fly American supplied P40 Warhawks against the Japanese - although the AVG did not go into combat until after December 7th.

The United States had for years applied various kinds of economic sanctions against Japan in retaliation for its invasion of China. It was largely these sanctions, and the US refusal to drop them that caused Japan to decide to go to war against the the various Allies of the US. Japan planned invasions of the Dutch East Indies (Dutch held what is today Indonesia ) to secure a source of petroleum as well as seizing British held possessions to secure supply lines. While I think that the US measures against Japan were appropriate at the very least given the Japanese war of aggression against China, to call the attack "unprovoked" is false.