View Full Version : Chances of Ferguson/Baltimore/Charlotte style unrest here in CO?
.455_Hunter
09-22-2016, 14:58
What do you folks think the chances of Metro Denver (+ others) experiencing the same sort of riot issues like Ferguson/Baltimore/Charlotte have undergone?
Why or why not could it happen here?
What areas would or would not be of concern?
It can and probably will...just a matter of time.
We have plenty of bleeding heart liberals running around here.
Downtown Denver. Pretty much anywhere in that area. Personally I think the mall and also maybe colfax areas.
beast556
09-22-2016, 15:19
Maybe in the city of Denver they could get away with it. This is just my opinion if they try to come to the suburbs or out of big citys and try there shit they will get taken out by people that wont let them burn down there nehibor hoods.
I'd guess it could happen on a much smaller scale. I don't think the population of black folks in Denver is nearly as high as in those other cities.
If this bifurcation and race divide is not stopped from within the black community, it will happen in Denver in a matter of time....
Chances are excellent! The same you-owe-me mentality, the same kind of race baiting liars and community organizers, the same gangster-fuckstain people live here or the organizers will import them to stir things up.
Caplis had a couple of racists on his show the other day, one of them is a well known liar and agitator, these racists don't think due process should apply to the police when one of theirs gets killed for assaulting a police office with a weapon. OTOH they think they should be able to walk into any store or home and take what they are "owed".
There is NOT a systemic racial bias within law enforcement, the idea that there is used as an excuse for criminal behavior. There is a movement to create a WIDE division between whites and blacks that did not exist before obama took office, klinton will exacerbate the situation.
Stay out of Denver when trouble starts, if you have kin in Denver DO NOT go get them, let them get themselves out. Actions have consequences and living in Denver carries the consequence of being a victim in a riot.
newracer
09-22-2016, 15:30
It could happen but I think the chances are very low compared to other areas of the nation.
clodhopper
09-22-2016, 15:36
Not gonna happen here. Pot is legal. The outrage needed to put down the Cheetos and get off the couch is not attainable.
Great-Kazoo
09-22-2016, 15:43
I'd guess it could happen on a much smaller scale. I don't think the population of black folks in Denver is nearly as high as in those other cities.
This has less to do with POC's than white guilters. NYC was a heavily attended anarchist & white guilt rock throwing melee. Combine those with social media alerts sponsored by G. Soreass, encouragement provided by the CIC, DOJ & other white guilters
Not gonna happen here. Pot is legal. The outrage needed to put down the Cheetos and get off the couch is not attainable.
[LOL][Beer]
I think it could definitely happen here, although I agree, not as large of a scale. If the circumstances are just right- basically any cop shoots any black suspect, regardless of circumstance, people will get very upset. Maybe not to the point of Charlotte or Baltimore or Ferguson... Looking back at the protests a few months back, where peaceful protestors blocked an onramp to I-25 and were across the street from the capital.
funkymonkey1111
09-22-2016, 17:28
This has less to do with POC's than white guilters. NYC was a heavily attended anarchist & white guilt rock throwing melee. Combine those with social media alerts sponsored by G. Soreass, encouragement provided by the CIC, DOJ & other white guilters
exactly, like the DNC protestors--they will be the ones to get the ball rolling. Soros will bring in all the hooligans needed.
the usually trigger happy denver cops will have to light the spark. killing a mexican gang member a month or two ago wasn't enough to fire it up.
Circuits
09-22-2016, 17:35
Not gonna happen here. Pot is legal. The outrage needed to put down the Cheetos and get off the couch is not attainable.
Yes, because pot is unobtainable in other states, and that is the only reason there have been riots elsewhere... [facepalm]
spqrzilla
09-22-2016, 17:45
You need to realize that the bulk of the rioters that Ferguson, Baltimore and now Charlotte are seeing are not locals. They are professional agitators, rootless anarchists, amateur agitators and other transient debris. They have funding from various Democrat associated dark money sources like Soros' foundations. They can coalesce in a city in hours given a sufficiently newsworthy incident.
Frankly, I expected some trouble in Denver downtown this summer and am surprised it hasn't happened yet.
You need to realize that the bulk of the rioters that Ferguson, Baltimore and now Charlotte are seeing are not locals. They are professional agitators, rootless anarchists, amateur agitators and other transient debris. They have funding from various Democrat associated dark money sources like Soros' foundations. They can coalesce in a city in hours given a sufficiently newsworthy incident.
Frankly, I expected some trouble in Denver downtown this summer and am surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Maybe their building up their forces with all the "urban travelers" that have been flocking to Denver in droves over the last few years. Like that douchecanoe that attacked people with a pipe on 16th St mall that no one even thought about stopping. Damn sheep.
Pipe-wielder gonna go down HARD in Ft. Collins. Jes sayin'
BushMasterBoy
09-22-2016, 18:32
There won't be any riots until Obama cancels the election.
spqrzilla
09-22-2016, 19:03
@ErinBurnett (https://twitter.com/ErinBurnett) Charlotte police sergeant tells me 70% of ppl arrested last night had out of state ID: "these are not protestors, these are criminals"
Great-Kazoo
09-22-2016, 20:05
No surprise there.
Aloha_Shooter
09-22-2016, 20:06
It WILL happen here because the race-baiters need some unrest to and more white guilt to push their takeover of the state.
OtterbatHellcat
09-22-2016, 20:19
If any ruckus busts out on Colfax near my house, and spills over to INCLUDE my house................a very bad day will be had by anyone who decides to RIOT IN THE NAME OF "JUSTICE".....on my property or against my person.
:)
Great-Kazoo
09-22-2016, 20:33
If any ruckus busts out on Colfax near my house, and spills over to INCLUDE my house................a very bad day will be had by anyone who decides to RIOT IN THE NAME OF "JUSTICE".....on my property or against my person.
:)
You're covered (use of deadly force) during a riot.
I don't know why anyone worries about it. You get caught up like a Reginald Denny. You don't stop till the slide locks . Until then go about your day like any other.
OtterbatHellcat
09-22-2016, 20:44
Nah.....just Rioting for Justice pisses me off.
C'mon Pueblo, you can do it!
C'mon Pueblo, you can do it!
[LOL][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]
I believe that may be Spot On.
jhood001
09-22-2016, 22:51
What do you folks think the chances of Metro Denver (+ others) experiencing the same sort of riot issues like Ferguson/Baltimore/Charlotte have undergone?
Zero in the next 3 years. Slim/none in the next 5. '5' is only because I can't see the future... and because I'm respectful of the fearful sort of human. The disrespectful portion of me would say you're good to go anywhere in Colorado for the next 10 years.
Why or why not could it happen here?
It can happen anywhere, but there has to be an existing level of unrest to spark a boiling point. We simply don't have that extreme level of discord here in Colorado and it doesn't exist in an overwhelming majority of the country. But if you want more information, go ask some people that you cross paths with during your day to day. 99.9% of them will have no idea what the heck you're talking about.
And I'm guessing that at least half will think you're weird for asking that sort of question outside of an anonymous internet forum.
What areas would or would not be of concern?
Who knows? I could invent hypothetical geological locations in the Denver metro area that could turn into warzones based on hypothetical assumptions that the issues of the ass-backwards south will eventually show up here someday.
The world can change tomorrow. Our country can change tomorrow. I would recommend that you live where you want to live, do what you want to do and be prepared for when things go wrong.
Great-Kazoo
09-22-2016, 22:51
C'mon Pueblo, you can do it!
si podemos
Nah.....just Rioting for Justice pisses me off.
So the Liberty Riots of 1768 or the Boston Tea Party weren't organized groups of armed men out to destroy property of their political enemies? Or the riots in Boston, New York or Philadelphia where the Sons of Liberty organized people to march against British troops because of heavy handed taxation and policing tactics? Not saying I agree with the motives or reasons of today's rioters, but don't think that rioting and destruction of property aren't effective in effecting political change. Usually because it precedes a revolution, which are usually not peaceful.
StagLefty
09-23-2016, 07:33
You people are so selfish. How else am I supposed to get a large screen TV ? [Sarcasm2]
You people are so selfish. How else am I supposed to get a large screen TV ? [Sarcasm2]
LOL
That is exactly what these "protests" are all about, getting free shit by force, these "protests" are not about standing up for a cause. More "ends justify the means" and "redistribution of wealth" from the communists.
Not a large enough concentrated population of the perpetrators here.. Won't happen. Look at Denver's crime rate as well as poverty rate compared to the cities where this is happening.. not even close.
Zundfolge
09-23-2016, 09:07
It WILL happen here because the race-baiters need some unrest to and more white guilt to push their takeover of the state.
The black vote is a non issue in Colorado. Now if they start encouraging this behavior among the Latino population things will get messy here. But I see that as somewhat unlikely (unless Trump wins and the LaRaza/Azatlan folk start their own version of #BLM)
funkymonkey1111
09-23-2016, 09:20
Whether colorado has the racial demographics or not is irrelevant--the protesters will be imported, or come on their own
70% of charlotte arrests held out of state IDs
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/who-behind-riots-charlotte-police-says-70-arrested-protesters-had-out-state-ids
Whether colorado has the racial demographics or not is irrelevant--the protesters will be imported, or come on their own
The counter to that is that there's too much space between Denver and the professional rioters. Takes just a couple hours to drive from city to city back East to loot, I mean protest.
In other words it just takes too much work to get to Denver.
Doesn't matter the color or creed, criminals are basically lazy.
O2
68Charger
09-23-2016, 10:26
I vote for not happening anywhere in Colorado for the foreseeable future. Perhaps a matter of culture or even basic demographics. For use to catch a glimpse in CO, it's going to be incredibly bad in other states, with mad-max style shit all throughout the south. Once it looks like Somalia in parts of the south and heavy metros (cough Chicago/Boston/Phili etc.) then I'd be more concerned.
Detroit already looks like Somalia but that has nothing to do with rioting.
Has to do with 50+ years of Democrat control left unchecked... so it's in Colorado's future unless things can be turned around.
Whether colorado has the racial demographics or not is irrelevant--the protesters will be imported, or come on their own
70% of charlotte arrests held out of state IDs
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/who-behind-riots-charlotte-police-says-70-arrested-protesters-had-out-state-ids
and THIS^^^^
all it takes is for those agitators to decide to show up in Colorado, and that gets the ball rolling- the other 30% are just local opportunists looking for free TVs or just purge time.
so IMHO, it could happen next week- just need a "trigger" and the agitators to decide to show up. And we've seen the "trigger" can actually be a justified shooting from history.
Colorado is too trendy to get this rowdy still. We're more about social media hashtags and craft beer. More than that, and most of Denver won't get involved.
In 10 years though? who knows.
Grant H.
09-23-2016, 12:33
Whether colorado has the racial demographics or not is irrelevant--the protesters will be imported, or come on their own
70% of charlotte arrests held out of state IDs
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/who-behind-riots-charlotte-police-says-70-arrested-protesters-had-out-state-ids
This.
There is a fair amount of information that shows that Soros and his kind are actually paying these instigators to show up and raise hell.
It could happen here tomorrow with the right event to spark it.
Importing people to large cities in the South and out East is different than it is out here. Tulsa isn't even having issues.
Tulsa isn't even having issues.
That's because Oklahoma isn't a swing state.
68Charger
09-23-2016, 13:15
That's because Oklahoma isn't a swing state.
This could be why it hasn't happened here... if they think it could backfire and swing independent (unaffiliated) voters, they won't send the agitators here...
just speculation on my part...
Last time I checked, CO was roughly 1/3 (D), 1/3 (R), and 1/3 (U)
Zundfolge
09-23-2016, 13:32
That's because Oklahoma isn't a swing state.
That and the "Bubba Factor" ... The Colored folk get too far outta line in Oklahoma and Bubba may show up and put them back in their place (plus there are probably more black Republicans in Oklahoma than anywhere else in the country ... so there's a good chance that Bubba will be black too).
Seriously? There's that many members here that don't think it can/will happen in Denver? If you look at what's been going on in the other cities/towns, you'll see it's only ever been a couple hundred people.... If you don't think CO has a couple hundred people who will get caught up in the excitement and participate in a "riot", you're naive. All it takes is a couple nut jobs to start a bonfire, break a window, jump on the hood of a car, etc... and you'll have a self perpetuating crowd in no time...If history has proven anything it's proven CO has an abundance of nut jobs....
The THC levels around here keep people pretty mellowed out. I'd be more worried about someone looting 7-11 for some Twinkies .
Zundfolge
09-23-2016, 15:16
The "pot makes people mellow" thing is cute as a joke but its not really true. Pot makes some people mellow, it makes other people violently paranoid. I guarantee you if you could smell the images from Charlotte you'd smell a lot of pot smoke mixed in with the burning police cars.
The simple fact is that there aren't enough blacks here for there to be a widespread unrest. Sure there could be a little flareup on East Colfax or downtown Denver, but nothing on par with Charlotte or Baltimore or even Ferguson.
Also the folk behind these riots know better than to bring that crap to Colorado ... Colorado is a delicate balance right now and if you frighten the white folk here they're more likely to buy more guns and vote Trump than feel all guilt ridden and vote for Hillary.
Also also it gets cold at night here. That alone is a rather big deterrent to rioting.
The bigger factor is that there just isn't the racial divide out here as there is in other parts of the country; although it's difficult to tell when reading all the riot wet dreams people are posting on here.
Great-Kazoo
09-23-2016, 15:33
Seriously? There's that many members here that don't think it can/will happen in Denver? If you look at what's been going on in the other cities/towns, you'll see it's only ever been a couple hundred people.... If you don't think CO has a couple hundred people who will get caught up in the excitement and participate in a "riot", you're naive. All it takes is a couple nut jobs to start a bonfire, break a window, jump on the hood of a car, etc... and you'll have a self perpetuating crowd in no time...If history has proven anything it's proven CO has an abundance of nut jobs....
Unless one of the sports teams wins, big, not happening. As mentioned CO is moderately purple, politics wise. Start looting and trashing downtown denver, be a lot of pissed voters pulling Trump in Nov.
Remember the majority of " outraged folk" are OOS paid "defenders of freedom" I wish folks would get away from the 'Ain't enough colored folks here" mentality. The spark gets fanned in to flames by outside money.
1 good spark and there would be bus loads of OUTRAGED citizens come nightfall.
Any shooting, the LE faces some form of charge (politically motivated) hoping to quell the unrest. That female LE who turned herself in. GFL getting anything other than a 3-5 yr sentence.
This other shooting, Black cop and citizen. Goes to show, to the more informed. It's not about color, more so than money causing civil unrest.
Martinjmpr
09-23-2016, 15:33
^^^^^^^
What he said.
Possible? Well in the strictest senst of the term that "anything is possible", Yes.
Likely? No, I don't think so.
Most of the cities where these things have happened have had a low-simmer of racial and police tension for years. In the cities where these riots happen, the police are looked at as an occupying force by the residents of the predominately minority neighborhoods and conversely, the (mostly white, middle-class) police who patrol those streets with the same attitude as a soldier patrolling the worst neighborhoods of Ramadi or Baghdad. In that kind of a situation it only takes one incident to set off the powder keg of barely controlled hostility.
Colorado doesn't have the "density" of minority neighborhoods to have that kind of a situation and there isn't as much of an "us-vs-them" mentality between the citizens and the police.
I think another factor is economics - the Denver area is a place where just about anybody who wants a job can get one, including minority residents in the inner city (not necessarily a great or high-paying job, but a job nevertheless.)
The bleak sense of hopelessness that feeds a lot of the simmering rage in these big Eastern or rust-belt cities is usually missing here.
I wouldn't be so bold as to say we'll never see this kind of rioting in Denver, but we'll see it in a lot of other places first.
Zundfolge
09-23-2016, 15:40
The bigger factor is that there just isn't the racial divide out here as there is in other parts of the country
Colorado doesn't have the "density" of minority neighborhoods to have that kind of a situation and there isn't as much of an "us-vs-them" mentality between the citizens and the police.
This may be more of a Colorado Springs thing than a Colorado thing, but the vast majority of the black folk I know are military (or retired military). And a big chunk of them are married to non blacks. So they aren't the deep racists that many ghetto blacks tend to be and thus are hard to get all riled up.
Now my home town of Wichita Kansas? I vaguely remember the race riots there in the early 70s and the situation there is much worse than anywhere I've seen in Colorado.
So the Liberty Riots of 1768 or the Boston Tea Party weren't organized groups of armed men out to destroy property of their political enemies? Or the riots in Boston, New York or Philadelphia where the Sons of Liberty organized people to march against British troops because of heavy handed taxation and policing tactics? Not saying I agree with the motives or reasons of today's rioters, but don't think that rioting and destruction of property aren't effective in effecting political change. Usually because it precedes a revolution, which are usually not peaceful.
Just a little bit different there... The "riots" during the revolutionary period didn't involve destroying thing indiscriminately. Same reason why I reject the idea "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." False, terrorists kill innocents, our patriots in the 1770's didn't target British civilians.
Have there been "riots"? According to the media they are protests.
Well we've had riots over Super Bowl and Stanley Cup wins among other issues in the past, in '92 we had a bit of a gas fest when the idiot skinheads were allowed to gather on MLK Day and the ensuing fun and games were had.
Last year DPD had a very effective plan in action on closing off downtown/LoDo after the SB win by the Donkeys. As for any "social injustice" riots I wouldn't ever say they won't happen but I'm not overly concerned about them happening here. That also doesn't mean I'm not prepared to be able to get home safely if they ever do and I'm stuck downtown.
Zundfolge
09-23-2016, 21:38
Just a little bit different there... The "riots" during the revolutionary period didn't involve destroying thing indiscriminately. Same reason why I reject the idea "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." False, terrorists kill innocents, our patriots in the 1770's didn't target British civilians.
Also the riots of Colorado's past were all about union thugs vs Pinkertons. Those got pretty nasty.
I will say this for the #BLM movement ... they've done what Olympic Arms could never do; make the AR Pistol seem like a good idea.
spqrzilla
09-23-2016, 22:47
I agree that Denver isn't the focus point of the BLM / Soros' agitators. But the idea that there isn't simmering anger in the Denver metro black community? You haven't been downtown enough or paying attention.
funkymonkey1111
09-23-2016, 22:49
I agree that Denver isn't the focus point of the BLM / Soros' agitators. But the idea that there isn't simmering anger in the Denver metro black community? You haven't been downtown enough or paying attention.
Easier to keep one's head in the sand
I agree that Denver isn't the focus point of the BLM / Soros' agitators. But the idea that there isn't simmering anger in the Denver metro black community? You haven't been downtown enough or paying attention.
How often do you get down to Denver to see? You don't strike me as the clubbing type.
Great-Kazoo
09-24-2016, 07:58
Easier to keep one's head in the sand
OR avoid such areas. If and when we have to go to the metro area, it's not packing lightly. Doors locked, windows up.
One thing we're learning about Charlotte is that the local dynamics (facts) matter less than Soros/Dem agitation. 70% of arrests are out of state (brought in and likely paid with legal aid).
I've seen multiple videos on social media where black protestors are being peaceful, even talking and hugging LE, and a white masked agitator shows up and starts smashing windows. It's obvious what they are trying to do in using these events as a catalyst to start something larger.
Soros/Dems have millions along with the support of local pols and media. They really don't care about any community; black or Denver. But if they see a chance to use Denver for an advantage going into November they would.
kidicarus13
09-24-2016, 13:40
The simple fact is that there aren't enough blacks here for there to be a widespread unrest.
OH MY!
It's better for me to quote and not risk the chance of being banned.
spqrzilla
09-24-2016, 14:45
How often do you get down to Denver to see? You don't strike me as the clubbing type.
Oh, I'm definitely not the clubbing type. My office is in CityPark area. I have clients in just about every neighborhood of the metro area. Ten years ago, my office was on the edge of the roughest part of Aurora.
wctriumph
09-24-2016, 20:36
Some interesting opinions here. I don't see anything really bad happening in the near future, it is getting on to the colder part of the year.
Zundfolge
09-24-2016, 21:22
The simple fact is that there aren't enough blacks here for there to be a widespread unrest.
OH MY!
It's better for me to quote and not risk the chance of being banned.
Nothing in what I said is even remotely ban worthy.
The movement is called "Black" lives matters, and the black population of Colorado is only 4% (whereas the black population of North Carolina is 20%). In actual numbers this is a hair over 200,000 black folk in CO and a hair over 2 million of them in North Carolina. Numbers from here. (http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D)
There just isn't enough blacks in Colorado in large numbers for there to be anywhere near the likelihood of unrest as there is in other parts of the country.
Certainly its not a 100% guarantee there won't be problems here, but we're dealing with statistical probabilities.
That said I'm not going to the 7-11 at Fountain and Chelton wearing an "All Lives Matter" t-shirt any time soon :p
Calculated
09-24-2016, 22:03
I work with a handful of black guys and not one is up in arms or ready to take the fight to the streets. We happen to agree on the news stories thus far. The individuals that are truly out of line are pretty easy to spot and the BLM agitation is even easier to see.
The guys I know are hardworking men trying to do the best they can for themselves and their families. No one that works for a living wants to uproot their livelihood to partake in some riot that doesn't affect them, and I think most people realize that violence against law enforcement will generally have the opposite effect. I think people are generally sick of the news and the pot stirring.
Just a little bit different there... The "riots" during the revolutionary period didn't involve destroying thing indiscriminately. Same reason why I reject the idea "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." False, terrorists kill innocents, our patriots in the 1770's didn't target British civilians.
Just because you reject it doesn't mean that others aren't comparing themselves to those actions. Seen plenty of memes comparing modern riots to those acts that accuse white people of hypocrisy. Sadly, thousands if not millions will believe them.
That and the "Bubba Factor" ... The Colored folk get too far outta line in Oklahoma and Bubba may show up and put them back in their place (plus there are probably more black Republicans in Oklahoma than anywhere else in the country ... so there's a good chance that Bubba will be black too).
Black Republicans are pissed -- royally pissed! And they are not a monolith! (Actually, if anyone ever went to a meeting of the Rocky Mountain Black Tea Party, a lovely group of folks who get it, they will in fact see that the Key and Peele skit is not accurate -- they really weren't a monolith. Follow more about them here: https://www.facebook.com/RMBTP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54
BushMasterBoy
09-25-2016, 11:50
More likely that space aliens are coming to kill us all.
Double00
09-25-2016, 11:58
In before the lock just in case.
fportmen45
09-25-2016, 14:58
In before the lock just in case.
Yup, nothing racist going on here...
Richard K
09-25-2016, 18:43
I remember being on the police front line in Boulder in '71 or '72. Can't remember what they were rioting about though. I didn't work for Boulder but they had called for help from surrounding agencies.
Bailey Guns
09-25-2016, 19:27
Just because you reject it doesn't mean that others aren't comparing themselves to those actions. Seen plenty of memes comparing modern riots to those acts that accuse white people of hypocrisy. Sadly, thousands if not millions will believe them.
No surprise there. Lots of people think Kaepernick is a superstar, BLM is a legitimate movement and "Hands up, don't shoot" was based on reality. Stupid people believe all kinds of stupid shit.
We never went to the moon and 9/11 was an inside job are two things that come to mind.
SideShow Bob
09-25-2016, 21:31
We never went to the moon and 9/11 was an inside job are two things that come to mind.
You left out the "Holocaust" never happened.......
Zundfolge
09-25-2016, 21:54
In before the lock just in case.Yup, nothing racist going on here...
If having an honest discussion about the situation in the black community is racism, than having discussions about firearms is actual violence and this site needs to be shut down.
Great-Kazoo
09-25-2016, 22:00
If having an honest discussion about the situation in the black community is racism, than having discussions about firearms is actual violence and this site needs to be shut down.
Outside the cry of RACISM. they have nothing constructive to add (one way or the other) to the discussion. Go Figure.
GilpinGuy
09-25-2016, 23:09
Yup, nothing racist going on here...
Yeah. If you think stating facts is racist you are part of the problem.
I think there is more ignorance going on here than racism.
GilpinGuy
09-26-2016, 00:07
I've tried to stay out of this.....FAIL. What ignorance are you refering to?
Does anyone remember the "99%" Occupy rallies in Colorado Springs and Denver back in 2011? Denver had somewhere like 400 people or so. COS was much smaller -- maybe 100 people at peak. Either way, there were people who, due to the feeling of a "movement", did something which 99% of them were too dumb to come up with on their own. A lot of them were out of towners.
Based on wikipedia's page on the Denver PD, they have a total of 1778 sworn and unsworn members. Assuming every single one was on the street, they subtends to 1 officer per 1,435 residents in the metro area.
Throw in Denver Sheriff dept's 890 members, and you only go down to 1 per 1k. One cannot run 100% personnel 24/7, so whatever the operational inertia would be, it would probably be far more people per officer than 100% operation -- people need to run the offices, jail, sleep, eat, etc.
That means that in any distraction the police presence at large would go down everywhere but the focal point of violence, which opens the potential for uprising and crime elsewhere.
Using Denver's occupy #'s, I'd imagine 400 people could cause quite a ruckus and draw a fair number of officers fairly easily. That lessens the response time in certain areas to little to no response. Whether or not the particular violence of Ferguson et al. is a concern is moot. It's what happens elsewhere which is a concern. As soon as criminal elements realize police aren't coming, they have a window of opportunity outside the magnifying glass of any protests.
Statistically, one isn't going to face violence in the form of riot-as-protest. It will be in a common, every day occurrence of violence: the dude you didn't realize you cut off, the bum who gets schizo when the voices (demons) tell him to, the guy who you don't see hanging out and rushes in your garage as you wait for the door to go down, the this that or the other.
Large scale violence is obfuscatory and distracting from the real problem: the every day occurrence. It's those which would be the concern if police have to get focused on a bunch of idiots burning down their own neighborhood. It's those situations for which the only response time, if there is a response, is to report, not stop.
The answer to these concerns is the same whether there is a riot on Colfax or not: be vigilant, carry your pistol, diffuse situations if possible, and don't count on the police.
68Charger
09-26-2016, 07:30
Well put, CavSct1983... but I'll add that if you want to avoid riots at all costs, move to a rural area.
Highly unlikely a riot like that would happen in the country.... not impossible, but in general this is an urban problem.
Not the reason I live rural, but it's a side benefit that violent crime in general is lower.
I've tried to stay out of this.....FAIL. What ignorance are you refering to?
This includes me and my posts, but I think that for the most part a bunch of, not black, guys trying to get a feel for what the "black community" in our area will or won't do, based on stuff we see in the news is coming from a place of ignorance. Not necessarily willful ignorance, just a lack of real knowledge. News stories paint a different picture than reality, just as we see with the reported frequency of mass shootings, compared to actual likelihood of them occurring.
fportmen45
09-26-2016, 18:25
If having an honest discussion about the situation in the black community is racism, than having discussions about firearms is actual violence and this site needs to be shut down.
Outside the cry of RACISM. they have nothing constructive to add (one way or the other) to the discussion. Go Figure.
Yeah. If you think stating facts is racist you are part of the problem.
That straw man ya'll are building is taking quite a beating.
If we are not able to judge a man on the content of his character, but rather the color of his skin, we're doomed.
Aloha_Shooter
09-26-2016, 19:00
I don't know where you're coming from fportmen. Most of us on this board ARE judging based on actions, not colors or races (or genitalia). The actions of BLM and Occupy activists have been out there for all to see and none of it has been constructive. They have shown quite clearly that they are only interested in manufacturing outrage and creating incidents hoping to stir up emotions. "Hands up, don't shoot" was based on a lie but what started as an artificial construct by Soros-funded activists has spurred very real actions that have actually endangered both police and African-American citizens (but conveniently bolstered the base of emotional voters for Democrat causes).
I don't know where you're coming from fportmen. Most of us on this board ARE judging based on actions, not colors or races (or genitalia). The actions of BLM and Occupy activists have been out there for all to see and none of it has been constructive. They have shown quite clearly that they are only interested in manufacturing outrage and creating incidents hoping to stir up emotions. "Hands up, don't shoot" was based on a lie but what started as an artificial construct by Soros-funded activists has spurred very real actions that have actually endangered both police and African-American citizens (but conveniently bolstered the base of emotional voters for Democrat causes).
The issue I'm having is that we tend to forget that the BLM movement is a small faction, like a single militia, or Westboro Baptist Church, but people are still talking about ALL black people. We constantly complain about being grouped in with negligent or criminal gun owners, but the second someone that isn't like us (color, gender, voting record, etc) does something we don't like, then we're talking about the entire race, gender, political party etc. If we took the entire number of estimated participants (the high estimate) of every BLM protest and riot, compared to the entire US population of people considered to be "black" (by us), the number would be so small I don't see how we could feel anything but silly for even trying to have a serious discussion about "Phew, good thing we don't have too many black people in Colorado."
As soon as the majority of blacks in America denounce the actions of the BLM, I'll agree with your argument that they are like Westboro or a single militia.
I believe a better comparison would involve the lack of denouncement by the majority of Muslims concerning Muslim terrorism. Just because the majority of blacks do not actively participate, does not mean they do not agree and support.
Grant H.
09-26-2016, 21:14
As soon as the majority of blacks in America denounce the actions of the BLM, I'll agree with your argument that they are like Westboro or a single militia.
I believe a better comparison would involve the lack of denouncement by the majority of Muslims concerning Muslim terrorism. Just because the majority of blacks do not actively participate, does not mean they do not agree and support.
This. Unfortunate, but very much this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uubwrgyCwu8
As soon as the majority of blacks in America denounce the actions of the BLM, I'll agree with your argument that they are like Westboro or a single militia.
I believe a better comparison would involve the lack of denouncement by the majority of Muslims concerning Muslim terrorism. Just because the majority of blacks do not actively participate, does not mean they do not agree and support.
Just because they don't go on television and denounce doesn't mean they agree and support either. How much time have you personally dedicated to openly denouncing the actions of other white people, besides on here? For me, it's zero time. I've never gone out of my way to publicly denounce the actions of anyone, white or otherwise in any event save for maybe terrorist attacks. Many people on here prefer to keep their political beliefs private and don't engage in open discussions at work or with strangers or at social gatherings. I suspect that most people are like that.
I think it's normal for people to just assume that if someone else doesn't openly criticize something, then that person is in support of said action or belief. Most people however, are more well mannered than to always be loudly denouncing everything that they don't like in public, and especially the workplace. One specific example that comes to mind was when that cop in California flew off the handle and said he was going to kill cops. Like most of us, I was watching that whole event unfold with great interest. A guy at work was talking to me about it, and I was trying to remain neutral in my responses. I remember I remarked about something about his training, or something that I thought would just be inane filler. From that day on, when ever that co-worker talked to me about the on-goings of that event, he'd refer to the bad cop as my "boy," to the point where he would yell across the office, "Hey Stu, your boy is on the move again. Now he's in the woods!" Now, that particular co-worked happened to be a huge douche bag, but nonetheless, when I tried to engage him in conversation just enough to be polite, but really say nothing one way or the other (because he was a huge douche bag) he just assumed that I was some supporter of the bad guy. I'm not comparing the idiot I worked with to you davsel, or anyone else on this site, as he was obnoxious just to be obnoxious, but the point stands that when people don't say anything, it's natural human nature to assume that they are compliant, regardless of whether they are or not.
Just because they don't go on television and denounce doesn't mean they agree and support either. How much time have you personally dedicated to openly denouncing the actions of other white people, besides on here? For me, it's zero time. I've never gone out of my way to publicly denounce the actions of anyone, white or otherwise in any event save for maybe terrorist attacks. Many people on here prefer to keep their political beliefs private and don't engage in open discussions at work or with strangers or at social gatherings. I suspect that most people are like that.
I think it's normal for people to just assume that if someone else doesn't openly criticize something, then that person is in support of said action or belief. Most people however, are more well mannered than to always be loudly denouncing everything that they don't like in public, and especially the workplace. One specific example that comes to mind was when that cop in California flew off the handle and said he was going to kill cops. Like most of us, I was watching that whole event unfold with great interest. A guy at work was talking to me about it, and I was trying to remain neutral in my responses. I remember I remarked about something about his training, or something that I thought would just be inane filler. From that day on, when ever that co-worker talked to me about the on-goings of that event, he'd refer to the bad cop as my "boy," to the point where he would yell across the office, "Hey Stu, your boy is on the move again. Now he's in the woods!" Now, that particular co-worked happened to be a huge douche bag, but nonetheless, when I tried to engage him in conversation just enough to be polite, but really say nothing one way or the other (because he was a huge douche bag) he just assumed that I was some supporter of the bad guy. I'm not comparing the idiot I worked with to you davsel, or anyone else on this site, as he was obnoxious just to be obnoxious, but the point stands that when people don't say anything, it's natural human nature to assume that they are compliant, regardless of whether they are or not.
I have spent many hours denouncing Westboro alongside many other Patriot Guard Riders over the years.
Apart from keeping my mouth shut when I disagree with company policies, I am not afraid to express my beliefs and opinions to others. Comes with confidence.
It is naive to believe BLM is not supported by an exponentially larger number of blacks than the ones actively protesting. Same for the Muzzies.
ETA: Who you calling "white?"
For the record, someone asked why someone thought people were being ignorant, I'm simply trying to answer that question. Beyond that, I'm not trying to stem the flow of any conversation.
Bad guy was bad and is now dead guy being dead.
In the words of Gomer Pyle, USMC, "67321
http://www.9news.com/news/local/new-revelations-in-keith-scott-case_/326921848
Bad guy was bad and is now dead guy being dead.
In the words of Gomer Pyle, USMC, "67321
http://www.9news.com/news/local/new-revelations-in-keith-scott-case_/326921848
This is my shocked face. :-O
In response to the original post: I'm thinking that the possibility is there, but the probability is low due to a number of factors. First is that Denver really doesn't have a highly concentrated "ghetto" that would be a likely area for such a situation to develop. Even areas like Five Points and Montbello aren't really that crappy(in comparison to say, Compton or Oakland, or Southside Chicago). Second, our cops don't have nearly the reputation for being total dicks like some of the big city PDs. Third, Colorado has a different attitude than a lot of the rest of the country, particularly the formerly industrial east coast: People here are far less likely to be unemployed, hopeless, and pissed off at the world in general. Lastly, a large percentage of Colorado residents are armed, and our Make My Day law is well known, even outside the state.
hurley842002
09-28-2016, 10:40
Second, our cops don't have nearly the reputation for being total dicks like some of the big city PDs.
So it is safe to say, you are in agreement with Obama, Hillary, etc, that it is the cops fault?
So it is safe to say, you are in agreement with Obama, Hillary, etc, that it is the cops fault?
No, but that perception, particularly in the congested urban areas contributes to the issue. 99.99 percent of cops are good at their jobs and conscientious in following the law, with a great many risking their own safety to avoid having to injure the people they are policing, but between the media and social media, the excesses of that 1/100 th of one percent have the effect of inflaming areas where antipolice sentiment already exists(Ferguson, Baltimore, Charlotte, etc.). My view is that the preexisting level of negative sentiment here is far lower than in some of the areas that have seen riots and looting, whether that sentiment is justified by reality, or merely by perception through the media and social media. Our level of integration is vastly higher as well, compared to, say, Atlanta or Philadelphia.
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