Anyone else fed up with the NFL?

[flogger]

I was a big Broncos/NFL fan but with these jerk-off players taking a knee during the national anthem, I'm done with them. Their ratings are down and continuing to drop. GOOD!

The spineless group of managers in the front office of the NFL and right here in Dove Valley must be kicking themselves for not making a stance when they should have. Now this vile act has spread to elementary schools where it is tolerated because of the left PC bullcrap, nice work guys!

I wonder how understanding Dick Butkus would be if this had happened when he was coaching. These privileged crybabies would be out on the street.

Rant over.

[hurley842002]

You are ranting to the wrong crowd here, as the majority of folks hate most professional sports.

[roberth]

Good rant!! I agree.

Marshall = lying POS

[KestrelBike]

You are ranting to the wrong crowd here, as the majority of folks hate most professional sports.
I love this place

[CS1983]

The other day my wife and I were driving home and she randomly goes, "I'm so glad you don't watch football." Why would I? I hate it. I never got to choose what was on at grandma's house cus my uncle and grandfather were glued to the screen while a bunch of nearly retarded man-children hit each other in full pads. As one of our visiting fellow Boy Scouts from the Isle of Man said when he saw American football for the first time, "Pads? what a bunch of girls!"

[flogger]

Dick Butkus was never a coach in the NFL. He was a player for Chicago Bears. Did you mean Mike Ditka? Think you are preaching to the choir here. You won't find many here disagreeing with you about the NFL.

thanks for the correction.

[MED]

I stopped caring about the NFL back in the mid 90s, and I guess the recent events don't bother me much because my expectations of those people are so low. Although, it is really sad that this country is filled with people that don't respect our nation and what it means to be so fortunate that we are a part of it.

[Ronin13]

I'm in the same boat... I was ultimately inspired when Tim Kennedy Tweeted that he was no longer watching football. I had been a die-hard Broncos fan since I was a kid. Not this year. I consider sports (mostly the NHL, but used to be NFL) an escape from all the BS and the politics. Now they're getting anti-cop and political in football, so I'm done. And honestly, I really don't miss it. A bunch of overpaid Neanderthals who probably wouldn't have graduated college (save a few) if they weren't so damn good at their game. They think they're relevant, they get paid MILLIONS to play a damn game.

[brutal]

Now I have a better excuse to not care, watch, or know who all these stupid fuckers are.

[OldFogey]

Yup. I watch politicised sports once every four years - the Olympics. Not gonna watch politicised domestic sports. Perhaps they should start the SJW league. For progressives to watch. As long as it's free, that is.

[funkymonkey1111]

i always enjoyed watching the broncos and going to a game or two a year. no more. i was excited for the super bowl rematch game, then watched the BLM hack kneel during the anthem. i watched the first half, getting more and more angry--turned it off at half time and haven't looked back.

looks like the press is finally realizing people are fed up with these SJWs

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/10/05/nfl-ratings-week-4-boycott-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protests/#.V_Y_8VF7Gik.facebook

[Jamnanc]

Meh, I like football. There are a lot of things that bother me more than some asshat kneeling during the anthem.

[speedysst]

Ive always been partial to rugby. Eighty minutes with only one 10 min break in between halves. Ive seen them keep playing even if someone is hurt. No pads, no do a play, take a break. Its go go go all the time.

[spqrzilla]

Rugby is far more interesting and athletic.

[Dave_L]

I enjoy the NFL still but I play fantasy football so that holds my interest to it probably more than anything. I just never put any weight on what they say/do like any other celebrity.

[Honey Badger282.8]

The NFL has become a joke as of late, for more reasons than the anthem BS that a few individuals are doing, but I still love the sport and continue to watch it.

[newracer]

I think the NFL handled it appropriately, they basically ignored it. It was the media that made a big deal out of it. Now that it has been a few weeks, even though several players are still doing it, hardly anyone says anything about it.

Between my kid's team, college, and NFL I watch a lot of football every week and I enjoy it all.

Also the players in the NFL that do good things, like charity work, far outweigh the bad.

[Ridge]

I find that skipping the first 5 minutes of the game lets me ignore all the stupid political bullshit from both sides. Then I get to watch a bunch of millionaires concuss another bunch of millionaires for a few hours.

[jmg8550]

I've really got back into baseball lately. I get tired of the fake oppressed millionaire crybabies in the NFL. Seems normal for football players to act like thugs anymore.

[Hoser]

What is a NFL...

[Scanker19]

67430

[Guylee]

Between the general idiotic attitude of the players lately, my general disinterest in football, and the fact that every home game is an automatic 12-hour shift for me, I wouldn't mind if the NFL shut down completely tomorrow.

As one friend so eleoquently put it..."why would I waste 3 hours of my life watching a bunch of millionaires chase a ball around in their underwear?"

[Aloha_Shooter]

I used to be a devoted fan but haven't had much use for the Nincompoops, Felons, and Losers for a number of years now.

[cstone]

Early morning hours of March 28, 1984. Haven't cared about about the game since. Thanks Bob Irsay! I've enjoyed many decades of Sundays since.

Besides, there are so many other businesses that work hard for my money.

[DavieD55]

I could care less about the NFL or professional sports for that matter considering there are more important things to follow. I used to enjoy watching monday night football with my dad back in the day, but since the NFL is chalk full of anti-American behaviour and commie libtard sports announcers I wont be watching.

[fportmen45]

Never really followed football, except for the Broncos - it's kinda fun to cheer for the home team with friends and family. Now with this raised fist / kneeling crap, I just can't stomach it.

[Aardvark]

Why waste 3-4 hours to watch 15-20 minutes of actual play time by a bunch of thugs on drugs with assitude. Pass.

[KAPA]

I am always surprised by the amount of people that chime in on sports threads to tell the world how much they don't follow the particular sport discussed in the topic.

I love football, especially the Broncos and all the sports that Colorado has local teams making national noise. I can not stand it that the NFL lets these players come out and draw attention to themselves during the anthem. You want to exercise some twisted application of your first amendment rights during the anthem, do it in the locker room so the paying customers are not offended. It is up to the NFL and in general, ignoring this kind of thing is good for business but I think in November when all the Pink breast cancer stuff is packed away and the camo stuff comes out, you may see a reaction finally if these bums are still trying to draw attention to themselves during the anthem.

And then there are the posters complaining about the high paid NFL players but then acting like Baseball players are in your tax bracket. NFL players are far less compensated and risk the most in terms of their health. For every Peyton Manning making $20MM a year, there are 20 guys on the roster making less than million.

[GilpinGuy]

I can't imagine having enough time on hands to blow 3-4 hours every Sunday sitting on the couch watching a game, plus Monday night and Thursday night. If it's a big Bronco game or the Super Bowl and a bud is having a bunch of dudes over for wings and beer, cool. It's a good reason for the boys to relax and hang out. Otherwise, nah. I got better things to do. I'd rather clean out my quail pens.

Funny though. I played football in high school (started varsity sophomore through senior year TYVM) and used to really like watching the game. It just got old I guess.

The political BS is really as aside for me and turns me off even more. But I wouldn't NOT watch a game just because the asshat running around with a ball is a political moron just like I wouldn't NOT watch a movie with a political moron actor in it (yeah, pretty much every movie). It's just entertainment. Amuse me jester!

[Irving]

How much they make doesn't really bother me. The reality is that we're ALL paid based on whatever field in which we've decided to specialize.

[GilpinGuy]

How much they make doesn't really bother me. The reality is that we're ALL paid based on whatever field in which we've decided to specialize.

Their pay doesn't bother me either. Shit, I wish was capable of playing a game and be in the top 1% of wage earners. And we're all paid on what we are worth to our employer. My performance at work doesn't bring in millions of eyeballs looking at advertisements, so I don't get paid for that.

Diamonds and water.

[Great-Kazoo]

But I wouldn't NOT watch a game just because the asshat running around with a ball is a political moron just like I wouldn't NOT watch a movie with a political moron actor in it (yeah, pretty much every movie). It's just entertainment. Amuse me jester!


BINGO.

I don't watch football,unless it's super cold and or lots of snow on the ground. Then it's probably a Lets see what the score is moment.

If one is going to boycott any sport because of a sports figure political stance. Then one must also boycott movies, tv & music. Due to the left of centers influence.
Just like these politically naive fools.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/youre-fired-bono-rails-against-trump-at-concert-182702942.html

For years Bono lectured (still does) his U.S crowds about the racism & violence we have. Yet continually ignored the terrorist & violence in his homeland.

One concert @ mile high he started yammering on how the gun violence here needed to stop.
Sitting in row 32 i yelled out (like he really heard me) Until Ireland is violence free. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SING.


Bottom line. Either boycott everyone, or none of them.

Remember Free Speech isn't about defending those you agree with. YMMV

[wyome]

I watch pro football...there I said it
And NASCAR too....if someone in NASCAR takes a knee I might lose my mind tho

[ray1970]

I watch pro football...there I said it
And NASCAR too....if someone in NASCAR takes a knee I might lose my mind tho

Wouldn't happen in NASCAR. Those guys are all rednecks. Rednecks are universally patriotic.

[SamuraiCO]

I'm in the same boat... I was ultimately inspired when Tim Kennedy Tweeted that he was no longer watching football. I had been a die-hard Broncos fan since I was a kid. Not this year. I consider sports (mostly the NHL, but used to be NFL) an escape from all the BS and the politics. Now they're getting anti-cop and political in football, so I'm done. And honestly, I really don't miss it. A bunch of overpaid Neanderthals who probably wouldn't have graduated college (save a few) if they weren't so damn good at their game. They think they're relevant, they get paid MILLIONS to play a damn game.

Hit it out of the park. NFL was time to forget about the nonsense, come together and enjoy the competition. A bastion of manhood. Beer and meat consumption.

I enjoy going to games. Will watch or listen to the Broncos. Don't waste time with any other NFL games.

[funkymonkey1111]

Wouldn't happen in NASCAR. Those guys are all rednecks. Rednecks are universally patriotic.

please. NASCAR itself is full of PC pussies. Recall they've distanced themselves from the flag (what you might call the battle flag if you're not from the south) and moved an event from a Trump hotel last year because of his comments about the brown stain coming over the border.

[ray1970]

please. NASCAR itself is full of PC pussies. Recall they've distanced themselves from the flag (what you might call the battle flag if you're not from the south) and moved an event from a Trump hotel last year because of his comments about the brown stain coming over the border.

Well, maybe the organization is that way but the drivers are still a bunch of rednecks so I can't picture them kneeling.

[Honey Badger282.8]

NASCAR won't be around much longer unless they do something to stop hemorrhaging fans. I can't think of another league in as much trouble as they are currently.

[Bailey Guns]

I quit caring about football when Roger Staubach retired.

[PugnacAutMortem]

I heard on the radio today that through the first 4 weeks of the season that overall viewership is down 11% this year. I bet the protests have something to do with that number, not the entire number but I bet it's definitely a factor.

[Honey Badger282.8]

I heard on the radio today that through the first 4 weeks of the season that overall viewership is down 11% this year. I bet the protests have something to do with that number, not the entire number but I bet it's definitely a factor.

I think a lot of it has to do with the personalities of the league and the various decisions being made at the top level. Roger Goodell is a tool, too many prima donnas like Cam Newton, too many off field distractions like Deflategate, etc. The NFL definitely has a problem that can only be corrected by a comish change.

[Aloha_Shooter]

If one is going to boycott any sport because of a sports figure political stance. Then one must also boycott movies, tv & music. Due to the left of centers influence.

Ah, but I don't watch movies with Alec Baldwin, Leo diCaprio, etc. I've even stopped watching Tom Hanks. I don't listen to the Dixie Chicks (does anyone anymore?) or Beyonce (well, okay, I never listened to her). They have the freedom to spout whatever nonsense they want, I have the freedom to not listen and not put any money in their pocket. Freedom of speech doesn't mean we have to subsidize or pay attention to said speech (except in totalitarian leftist minds).

[fportmen45]

Remember Free Speech isn't about defending those you agree with. YMMV

Consistency is everything. *Whoosh*

[KestrelBike]

The other day my wife and I were driving home and she randomly goes, "I'm so glad you don't watch football." Why would I? I hate it. I never got to choose what was on at grandma's house cus my uncle and grandfather were glued to the screen while a bunch of nearly retarded man-children hit each other in full pads. As one of our visiting fellow Boy Scouts from the Isle of Man said when he saw American football for the first time, "Pads? what a bunch of girls!"
*ahem* Speaking of the Isle of Man... [this is my kind of sport]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNXCJt7K3Q

[Great-Kazoo]

Ah, but I don't watch movies with Alec Baldwin, Leo diCaprio, etc. I've even stopped watching Tom Hanks. I don't listen to the Dixie Chicks (does anyone anymore?) or Beyonce (well, okay, I never listened to her). They have the freedom to spout whatever nonsense they want, I have the freedom to not listen and not put any money in their pocket. Freedom of speech doesn't mean we have to subsidize or pay attention to said speech (except in totalitarian leftist minds).

Better reevaluate the clothes you wear, where you buy them as well as food one eats. The leftist mindset infected everything. It's literally a plague.

[babarsac]

I'm a Redskins fan so I don't get to watch my team that much.

My wife is a Browns fan and she got our old QB. [ROFL2]


Heck the dog is the only Colorado native.


"I know we're gonna win so I'm taking a nap"
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[Graves]

I wouldn't be surprised if this thread turned into a PGA/NHL thread. Buncha cynical fogies in their 30's+ here.

[Great-Kazoo]

I wouldn't be surprised if this thread turned into a PGA/NHL thread. Buncha cynical fogies in their 30's+ here.


CANUKS !

[Bailey Guns]

FogeyLivesMatter

[StagLefty]

^ haha beat me to it

[Bailey Guns]

^ haha beat me to it

Because I'm a fogey...hadda get up early to pee, ya know.

[roberth]

*ahem* Speaking of the Isle of Man... [this is my kind of sport]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNXCJt7K3Q

Yes.

I liked riding fast in the canyons during the 80s and 90s, before all the traffic.

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[RblDiver]

The NFL's decided that the decline is due to the election, not to the protests.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/nfl-claims-ratings-drop-not-related-anthem-protests-memo-article-1.2821602

[roberth]

Election huh? They're as dumb as most of the players.

[fportmen45]

Election huh? They're as dumb as most of the players.

Slam dunk, err... touchdown right there.

[Joe_K]

I think Foot Ball would be interesting if there was cover, the players had to use pugil sticks, and the crowd was allowed to chuck smoke grenades onto the field.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[cysoto]

I was never much of a fan but I completely stopped watching when the Philadelphia Eagles hired Michael Vick after his nearly two-year incarceration.

[StagLefty]

Might be some interesting game starts today since Goodell's statement about standing.

[Gman]

You can tell us about it here.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Election huh? They're as dumb as most of the players.

The NFL can suck a bag of dicks.....only, wet sloppy ones after the players that kneel suck it super hard.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Feel free to quote #60 in this thread, and forward it to any Player, CEO of a team, or NFL Headquarters. Fuck 'em.

[Doc45]

There’s a Facebook group calling for a boycott on Veterans Day weekend. Hope it’s successful.

[Gman]

Hopefully. What a bunch of ingrates.

[MrPrena]

Watch world cup. You stand up while 2 national anthems (2 teams) play.

[Rhino0427]

Was never a big NFL guy, but I watched sometimes. However, I usually used sports as a break from politics. Now that sports, (like most things) is hyper-politicized, I have no use for the NFL or the overpaid, entitled, whiny jackholes who play in it.

[GilpinGuy]

Do the networks actually show the anthem on TV? I don't remember them showing it years ago when I was watching football, except before the Super Bowl.

If they are suddenly showing it because of the controversy, what does that tell you? Libtards running the show, that's what. Ignore the childish behavior and it would fade away. Spotlight it and it will flourish. And libs love this shit.

[roberth]

I quit watching when Peyton Manning retired, and I only watched parts of games as it was.

Now I have absolutely no reason to watch a bunch of assholes many of whom if not for slavery would be dead or dying of starvation in Africa.

Biting the hand that feeds them will get them nowhere.

[TRnCO]

I haven't heard, did all the players stand yesterday or are they still protesting "something" of which no one really knows what that "something" is. And there lies the problem for them, last I had heard several players seemed to have a different answer to the "why" part, and since they've lost any resemblance of unity across the players for the reason, they've lost all validity in my view. I simply will not watch another NFL game until they all decide to stand. If that time never comes, screw em.

[GilpinGuy]

I heard a blurb on the radio saying that it's about gender pay gap or some crap now. Morons.

[68Charger]

Maybe players feel impotent because their whole life centers around a game, and acting like they care about these "issues" makes them feel important.

Gotta somehow justify that they're better than the rest of us.

[Martinjmpr]

I heard a blurb on the radio saying that it's about gender pay gap or some crap now. Morons.

So male football players are getting paid more than female football players? [ROFL1]

[newracer]

I haven't heard, did all the players stand yesterday or are they still protesting "something" of which no one really knows what that "something" is. And there lies the problem for them, last I had heard several players seemed to have a different answer to the "why" part, and since they've lost any resemblance of unity across the players for the reason, they've lost all validity in my view. I simply will not watch another NFL game until they all decide to stand. If that time never comes, screw em.

None of the games on TV showed the anthem at all and there was no discussion of it by the play by play guys.

[BPTactical]

None of the games on TV showed the anthem at all and there was no discussion of it by the play by play guys.

So in other word, yes they knelt

[bobbyfairbanks]

So in other word, yes they knelt

I never would have thought grown men would love kneeling so much. Snicker snicker

[roberth]

I never would have thought grown men would love kneeling so much. Snicker snicker

They're on the downlow so they're used to it.

[Rhino0427]

Cant wait to see how the NBA tries to outdo the NFL...self immolation on the court during the anthem? That would be cool.

[GilpinGuy]

Cant wait to see how the NBA tries to outdo the NFL...self immolation on the court during the anthem? That would be cool.

I might actually turn on an NBA game for the first time in my life for that![LOL]

[MrPrena]

My guess is MLB NBA and NHL will probably not pull what NFL did. Those 3 sports have 2 countries participated.

It will look real stupid to see some player Keeling down on US National anthem, but stand back up for Canadian national anthem.

As a respect, I cannot personally kneel down on ANY national anthem (even countries we dislike) in sports venue as a participant of sports. It is just non-sportsman like.

[Gman]

Roofers in Maine stop work to respect national anthem, flag (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/roofers-in-maine-stop-work-to-respect-national-anthem-flag/ar-AAtAaBD)

Three Maine roofers put their hammers down and stood up to show respect for the national anthem on Saturday, in the process unknowingly posing for a photo that's been used to symbolize one side of the contentious nationwide debate about "The Star-Spangled Banner."

The roofers, who were working near Waterville High School’s football field, stood for the national anthem “even though they didn’t have to,” Michelle Lyons Cossar, the Old Town resident who snapped the photo, told Fox News on Monday.

While Cossar was standing for the anthem prior to the start of Saturday’s game, she said she heard someone in the stands point out the workers had also risen.

“When I looked over the fence, I saw them standing and respecting the flag,” she said.

That’s when she decided to take a picture.

“I just thought the world could use a little more of that right now,” she added.

Cossar’s photo has been shared nearly 600 times as of Monday afternoon.

The three men in the photo are Dwayne Harrison, Danny Thyng and James Scruggs, according to Cossar. The trio didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Shanon Gurski Dixon, a resident of Waterville, shared the Cossar’s picture to her Facebook page. She told Fox News she hopes to one day find and thank the men for “being such good role models to our youth.”
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[Circuits]

It's OK. The NFL circulated a memo declaring that attendance and ratings are only down because of the election outcome...



In a way, I guess they're right.

[StagLefty]

^very cool story gman !!!

[Bailey Guns]

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6203/2AYHJ0.jpg

[Bailey Guns]

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/5658/auPIPe.jpg

[Aloha_Shooter]

And then there was this: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/10/16/national-anthem-protests-florida-man-takes-boycott-jags-and-nfl-message-to-sky.html

http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2017/10/16/896/504/694940094001_5612721528001_5612700534001-vs.jpg

[Great-Kazoo]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/boomer-esiason-colin-kaepernick-saga-152244156.html


Added Esiason: "The other aspect of all of this with Colin Kaepernick is how much does he want? And how much more is he going to let somebody else talk for him?
Everyone just assumes that somebody should just sign him because he went to the Super Bowl a number of years ago and they should write him a $10 million check because he's some sort of activist.


Remember, he's the one that walked away from the San Francisco 49ers. He's the one that said, ‘Hey, I'll go walk away from my contract and the amount of money you're going to pay me.' At the end of the day, other teams decided to interview and didn't want him."


"This is just another thing in the media, it's just another thing to promote what he's trying to do, it's another thing to put a black eye on the NFL," Esiason said. "In my eyes, that's what this is.

"He could be fighting for social justice and be the greatest human being in the world. At the end of the day, football teams want players who want to play football and who are good at it, and I don't believe he's either one."

[MrPrena]

Selfish qbs cannot get a job regardless of activism or not.
Just look at rg3, Johnny, and colin.

[Mazin]

NFL? You mean they actually came up with a National Farting League, damn when's tryouts? I had a BB this morning that loaded me up with ammo.

[Martinjmpr]

"He could be fighting for social justice and be the greatest human being in the world.[B] At the end of the day, football teams want players who want to play football and who are good at it, and I don't believe he's either one."


I'm not and never have been much of a sports fan, although I do occasionally enjoy watching football.

But WRT Kapernick, seems to me he's shown every potential employer that he's going to be a colossal PITA for anyone he works for. Unless he is the Best QB In The History of the World (and it seems he's not) why would any team owner or manager want him?

I mean, I thought Peyton Manning was a pretty good QB, but in addition to that he was, by all accounts, a team player who took his job seriously but who understood that his job is to throw a football, period.

No matter how good Kapernick is or could be, if he causes problems that his managers have to deal with constantly, if he brings negative publicity to the organization and if he creates extra work for the back office, I think at some point they'd be stupid not to do a cost/benefit analysis and ask themselves "is this guy SO GOOD that he's worth all the trouble and all the extra work he's causing?" And clearly the answer is "no" because nobody wants to deal with him, and I can't blame them.

He's basically the Charlie Sheen of football.

[TFOGGER]

With the League Minimum for Kaepernick at $775K, assuming 6 years in the league, it's very likely that every team he's been talking to has come to the conclusion that if they want a 4th tier QB, they can find someone cheaper that doesn't come with all the baggage.

[BushMasterBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8khzG8kgag

[Gman]

I'm not and never have been much of a sports fan, although I do occasionally enjoy watching football.

But WRT Kapernick, seems to me he's shown every potential employer that he's going to be a colossal PITA for anyone he works for. Unless he is the Best QB In The History of the World (and it seems he's not) why would any team owner or manager want him?

I mean, I thought Peyton Manning was a pretty good QB, but in addition to that he was, by all accounts, a team player who took his job seriously but who understood that his job is to throw a football, period.

No matter how good Kapernick is or could be, if he causes problems that his managers have to deal with constantly, if he brings negative publicity to the organization and if he creates extra work for the back office, I think at some point they'd be stupid not to do a cost/benefit analysis and ask themselves "is this guy SO GOOD that he's worth all the trouble and all the extra work he's causing?" And clearly the answer is "no" because nobody wants to deal with him, and I can't blame them.

He's basically the Charlie Sheen of football.
Long story short? No good organization willingly adds obstacles to reaching their goals.

[flogger]

It's obvious that no one at Roger Goodell's meeting yesterday has balls. Pitiful.
This sums it up for me.

72311

[Westy]

72312

[Skip]

It's obvious that no one at Roger Goodell's meeting yesterday has balls. Pitiful.
This sums it up for me.

72311

Heard a recap on KOA this morning... Sounds like they are more worried about offending their players than the fans. I hope that message is being received loud and clear.

[roberth]

Heard a recap on KOA this morning... Sounds like they are more worried about offending their players than the fans. I hope that message is being received loud and clear.

Good, hopefully in a couple of years the NFL will cease to exist and the ignorant ingrates will have to find real jobs.

[Gman]

Good, hopefully in a couple of years the NFL will cease to exist and the ignorant ingrates will have to find real jobs.
...and an avenue from the 'hood to making it big based on your athletic ability will be gone.

[Martinjmpr]

Good, hopefully in a couple of years the NFL will cease to exist and the ignorant ingrates will have to find real jobs.

"A couple of years?" That's wildly optimistic. Football may decline in popularity but there are so many industries that have a vested interest in football, and so many people watching, that it's going to take a long time for the NFL to "cease to exist." I doubt it will happen in our lifetimes.

Also, in order for football to be replaced as a spectator sport, something else would have to take its place.

Now, having said that, I did read something interesting a few years ago that pointed out that football was headed for an inevitable decline and ultimate demise, but it had nothing to do with protests or kneeling or whatever.

It had to do with the fact that pro football sits on top of a "pyramid" of athletes and is absolutely dependent on the lower portions of that pyramid to keep sending them fresh meat.

It then went on to say that junior high and high schools - the "base" of the pyramid, the lowest level at which full-contact football is played - are starting to reconsider their football programs in light of all the concerns about head injuries. If parents stop putting their kids into football for fear of long-term negative effects of head injuries, then pretty soon, colleges will have a smaller pool of athletes to recruit from for THEIR programs (and some colleges are also reconsidering the wisdom of spending so much money on football when the negative effects of head injuries are becoming more and more apparent.)

The bottom line of the article was that no high school football means no college football, and no college football means no pro football, no NFL.

Now obviously the article was trying to make a point so they undoubtedly exaggerated the rate of this phenomenon, but it's not out of the question to think that as more becomes known about the life-long effects of football injuries, the more high schools may be reluctant to offer full-contact football programs for fear of lawsuits.

A smaller pool of people from which colleges can draw football players not only means fewer players, it likely means less talented ones (again, since the overall pool is smaller the number of talented players will also shrink.) Less talent means less interesting games. Less interesting games means fewer people watch them, and that costs the colleges money. Throw in a few lawsuits from players who get injured while playing and it's not unforeseeable that the whole house of cards collapses.

Likely? Maybe not. But it's an interesting thought, nonetheless. I know if I had a high school age son, I'd think long and hard before allowing him to play football.

[roberth]

"A couple of years?" That's wildly optimistic. /snip.

Yes I know.

I didn't know about the rest of the things you talked about, thank you for providing them.

[Gman]

There's also the gambling side of the NFL and the governments that profit from gambling revenue.

I think it's a valid point about parents holding their kids back from playing football.

[.455_Hunter]

My wife and I are hypocrites, because we like to watch football, but there no way in hell that our son (now age 11) is playing contact football.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Likely? Maybe not. But it's an interesting thought, nonetheless. I know if I had a high school age son, I'd think long and hard before allowing him to play football.

That was a good post Man. It helped me to think about some stuff that hadn't occurred to me.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

"A couple of years?" That's wildly optimistic. Football may decline in popularity but there are so many industries that have a vested interest in football, and so many people watching, that it's going to take a long time for the NFL to "cease to exist." I doubt it will happen in our lifetimes.

Also, in order for football to be replaced as a spectator sport, something else would have to take its place.

Now, having said that, I did read something interesting a few years ago that pointed out that football was headed for an inevitable decline and ultimate demise, but it had nothing to do with protests or kneeling or whatever.

It had to do with the fact that pro football sits on top of a "pyramid" of athletes and is absolutely dependent on the lower portions of that pyramid to keep sending them fresh meat.

It then went on to say that junior high and high schools - the "base" of the pyramid, the lowest level at which full-contact football is played - are starting to reconsider their football programs in light of all the concerns about head injuries. If parents stop putting their kids into football for fear of long-term negative effects of head injuries, then pretty soon, colleges will have a smaller pool of athletes to recruit from for THEIR programs (and some colleges are also reconsidering the wisdom of spending so much money on football when the negative effects of head injuries are becoming more and more apparent.)

The bottom line of the article was that no high school football means no college football, and no college football means no pro football, no NFL.

Now obviously the article was trying to make a point so they undoubtedly exaggerated the rate of this phenomenon, but it's not out of the question to think that as more becomes known about the life-long effects of football injuries, the more high schools may be reluctant to offer full-contact football programs for fear of lawsuits.

A smaller pool of people from which colleges can draw football players not only means fewer players, it likely means less talented ones (again, since the overall pool is smaller the number of talented players will also shrink.) Less talent means less interesting games. Less interesting games means fewer people watch them, and that costs the colleges money. Throw in a few lawsuits from players who get injured while playing and it's not unforeseeable that the whole house of cards collapses.

Likely? Maybe not. But it's an interesting thought, nonetheless. I know if I had a high school age son, I'd think long and hard before allowing him to play football.

I’m not disagreeing - I’m agreeing, especially with the second sentence. The economics are such that there will always be talented athletes willing to step up and risk CTE and whatever else for that paycheck. And the industries you mention will ensure the check is there.

I don’t have a son, and I did play football in HS. But I agree, I’d really, really steer my (hypothetical) child from football.

[68Charger]

I’m not disagreeing - I’m agreeing, especially with the second sentence. The economics are such that there will always be talented athletes willing to step up and risk CTE and whatever else for that paycheck. And the industries you mention will ensure the check is there.

I don’t have a son, and I did play football in HS. But I agree, I’d really, really steer my (hypothetical) child from football.

Train them from age 2 to play golf... and train them to take care of you if they make it. Seems to me that's been done before.

ETA: but have a plan for when his fame inevitably goes to his head and he cheats on his wife/GF

[Gman]

Train them from age 2 to play golf... and train them to take care of you if they make it. Seems to me that's been done before.

ETA: but have a plan for when his fame inevitably goes to his head and he cheats on his wife/GF
[LOL]

[Gman]

Some of the more vocal protestors are such quality individuals...
Raiders Marshawn Lynch ejected for pushing official (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/raiders-marshawn-lynch-ejected-for-pushing-official/ar-AAtKjuh)

ETA: Was also suspended for a game without pay.

[Gman]

A pretty good commentary on the situation.


https://www.facebook.com/liftable/videos/2022448677989846/

[sroz]

Damn. He states so well everything I feel on this issue, and does it so much better than I ever could! Thanks for posting.

[OtterbatHellcat]

A pretty good commentary on the situation.


https://www.facebook.com/liftable/videos/2022448677989846/

Wow.

Like

[Cman]

That was good, thanks for posting it!

[JohnnyDrama]

A pretty good commentary on the situation.


https://www.facebook.com/liftable/videos/2022448677989846/

Nice

I like the comparison to "Fairytale Land". I think he's nailed the reason for so much of the disconnect in our country right there.

[JohnTRourke]

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2017/10/49ers-Truck.jpeg?resize=600%2C419

[JohnTRourke]

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2017/10/Thanking-Kaepernick.jpeg?resize=600%2C481

[Dave_L]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2740803-49ers-join-law-enforcement-to-advocate-for-gun-control-legislation-donate-500k


The San Francisco 49ers announced Thursday they are pledging $500,000 toward supporting gun control legislation.

According to ESPN.com's Nick Wagoner, the Niners said they—along with local and national law enforcement—are signing a pledge for a "more understanding and safer America."

The legislation would ban mechanisms that can make a semi-automatic weapon an automatic weapon, in addition to silencers and armor-piercing bullets.

Per Robert Salonga of the Mercury News, a portion of the 49ers' donation will go toward nationally televised public service announcements meant to ease tension between law enforcement and those who fear police violence.

[Gman]

The National Feels League

NFL + Politics = NFL Can Go Suck It

[Bailey Guns]

We went in to a BBQ place in Moscow for an early Sun dinner. We were the only ones in the place. There was a game on. I asked the guy tending bar (and the TV) if he would mind putting it on anything but a football game. He looked at the TV and said, "Oh, hell no. I didn't even notice. I'll find something else." Switched it to some outdoorsy type hunting/fishing show.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Nice.

[rondog]

Fuck 'em.

[sampson]

https://youtu.be/jFhborYfWsY

For those without Facebook.

(Hope it's the same one)

[DavieD55]

No Fans Left = NFL

[Gman]

https://youtu.be/jFhborYfWsY

For those without Facebook.

(Hope it's the same one)
I don't have Facebook and could click thru to the video. It looks like the same one on YouTube. I didn't realize he was a police officer.

[scratchy]

I can't boycott he NFL. Never watched them, bought any team stuff and certainly don't go to games. They never got a dime from me.

[MrPrena]

6:17pm 10/30 but this forum seems very quiet today with little to no activities.

[buffalobo]

6:17pm 10/30 but this forum seems very quiet today with little to no activities.?

If you're unarmed you are a victim

[wyome]

Surprised they haven't benched Siemian for Osweiller yet....that O line ain't looking good at all

[glock74]

Surprised they haven't benched Siemian for Osweiller yet....that O line ain't looking good at all

+1

Siemian is not the quarterback of the future.

[MrPrena]

Patriot Garoppolo going to unpatriotic 49ners. [LOL]

[68Charger]

Wait, there was a game today?

[Gman]

Nah, there wasn't a World Series game tonight.

[wyome]

Wait, there was a game today?

It wasn't a good game....as for baseball...GO Yankees!....oh wait nvm

[GilpinGuy]

Funny thing. My 12 yo son likes to watch people play video games on YT and TV. I think it's silly, but then I thought that it's no more silly than watching people playing any other game.

[Martinjmpr]

Just saw this today:

Papa John's CEO not happy with NFL leadership (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/papa-john-ceo-not-happy-152633784.html)


In a conference call regarding the company’s disappointing third quarter earnings, Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter blamed company struggles on the NFL’s lingering anthem controversy. And he blamed the NFL’s lingering anthem controversy on NFL leadership.

“Good or bad, leadership starts at the top and this is an example of poor leadership,” Schnatter said in prepared remarks, via Chris Otts of WDRB.com. “This should have been nipped in the bud a year and a half ago.”

[MrPrena]

In MLB, even foreign national players stood up for national anthem.

[bobbyfairbanks]

Except for that one Catcher that just got arrested on a gun charge

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Just saw this today:

Papa John's CEO not happy with NFL leadership (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/papa-john-ceo-not-happy-152633784.html)

I’m sorry, but that is just loser talk. “I can’t sell my shitty pizza because fans hate the NFL.”
Suck it up, buttercup. Pizza Hut, Dominos, Papa Murphy, and a thousand mom and pops can sell pizza without complaining. Admittedly, they ALL have a much better product than your crap, though.

[MrPrena]

Except for that one Catcher that just got arrested on a gun charge

Dumb do what dumb does. At least try to find other way to protest instead of copying nfl. Or at least obey the law before protesting (copying).

ODarvish stood up during national anthem even when dumbass Cuban racist made racist gesture on a national TV.

BTW Darvish will be pitching today for Dodgers.

[flogger]

I’m sorry, but that is just loser talk. “I can’t sell my shitty pizza because fans hate the NFL.”
Suck it up, buttercup. Pizza Hut, Dominos, Papa Murphy, and a thousand mom and pops can sell pizza without complaining. Admittedly, they ALL have a much better product than your crap, though.

I'm guessing Papa John's spends a lot of coin to advertise during an NFL televised game. They see a decline of pizzas going out the door during venues they sink a lot of money in, bottom line. Too bad it's not because of American values and principles being crapped on.

It's great to watch this whole thing dismantle itself, there will be more sponsors and advertisers bowing out because of their projected earnings are in the tank. Empty seats = less beer, right?

It's amazing to me that owners and management are blind to what is happening!! They need to do something fast, this year is going to be very hard to recover from (and I couldn't care less). In the mean time, screw the NFL and their sponsors.

[Gman]

I’m sorry, but that is just loser talk. “I can’t sell my shitty pizza because fans hate the NFL.”
Suck it up, buttercup. Pizza Hut, Dominos, Papa Murphy, and a thousand mom and pops can sell pizza without complaining. Admittedly, they ALL have a much better product than your crap, though.
Yeah, but those other folks don't have sponsorships with the NFL, MLB, and NHL. This is an advertiser that's not getting what they negotiated in their sponsorship deal. I bet you'd also be pissed if you didn't get what you've payed for.

ETA: And they're right. The rule book listed player expectations with penalties and they didn't enforce it. This is completely in the NFL league management's lap.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I cannot agree even a little. “Papa” is getting exactly what he paid for: airtime during a game. There is no way his contract has some sort of negotiated “behavior of the NFL” clause in it. I’d also be surprised if there were some sort of “declining ratings” clause.

If you are dumb enough to expect a league of athletes to somehow behave and not manage to otherwise alienate sections of the fanbase, you get exactly what you deserve. That goes double if it is the child abusers, wife beaters, drug abusers, and assault & battery crew that is the NFL & NBA. How can you seriously think that is what you are getting when you sign on with the league that has been OK with this for generations?

The NFL is OK with letting Ray Lewis and Michael Vick back in, but hey guys - clean it up and follow the rules: pizza guy wants a clean image.

[hurley842002]

I’m sorry, but that is just loser talk. “I can’t sell my shitty pizza because fans hate the NFL.”
Suck it up, buttercup. Pizza Hut, Dominos, Papa Murphy, and a thousand mom and pops can sell pizza without complaining. Admittedly, they ALL have a much better product than your crap, though.Subjective much? I'll take Papa John's over Pizza hut and Dominoes any day, Papa Murphy's is a different comparison all together.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Subjective much? I'll take Papa John's over Pizza hut and Dominoes any day, Papa Murphy's is a different comparison all together.

You can have my slices for life, friend. [Beer]

I’ll be the first to admit I think their pizza is absolutely disgusting. I haven’t had it since HS and the sight makes me ill. The others are more or less serviceable. Additionally, his commercials are terrible, and I love commercials. That’s subjective.

Objectively - I don’t feel bad for anyone that partners with the NFL (or the other sports leagues - or various entertainment venues) and then doesn’t like the outcome. Athletes, musicians, and actors behave badly. It is what they do. If you have an edgy product, it might work for you. You want a clean image and sign on with that? I’m glad because it makes me laugh when I see articles like the one cited above. Even better that it happens to a company I dislike, personally.

[Gman]

The NFL is OK with letting Ray Lewis and Michael Vick back in, but hey guys - clean it up and follow the rules: pizza guy wants a clean image.
Pizza guy and every other advertiser wants eyes on the tube. The league wants to whistle past the graveyard like they're not losing their fan base, but when the advertisers are feeling the pinch, that's not the reality of the situation.

I miss the old days when a coach would send a bad apple packing no matter how well they played the game.

[MrPrena]

Pizza guy and every other advertiser wants eyes on the tube. The league wants to whistle past the graveyard like they're not losing their fan base, but when the advertisers are feeling the pinch, that's not the reality of the situation.

I miss the old days when a coach would send a bad apple packing no matter how well they played the game.

It is unfortunate. Modern foozball years, it is upto Coach+GM+President+and franchisee.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Pizza guy and every other advertiser wants eyes on the tube. The league wants to whistle past the graveyard like they're not losing their fan base, but when the advertisers are feeling the pinch, that's not the reality of the situation.

I miss the old days when a coach would send a bad apple packing no matter how well they played the game.

This I all can agree with.

When you think of what it takes to be in the NFL, for the entire history of the league, football has always drawn some of the more or less maladjusted and colorful characters to say the least. But there are more bad apples now. Sharpie a tribute on your cleats? League goes nuts. Deal in cocaine or “purple drank” or whatever else - you can come back. While an Anti-American protest may or may not have been expected, what could be reasonably expected is how randomly the league deals with it (or not deals with it) - and “Papa” should have expected as much. I’m sure Payton Manning will still pretend to be his friend if he keeps paying him, though.

[GilpinGuy]

I’m sure Payton Manning will still pretend to be his friend if he keeps paying him, though.

Haha! Fact.

[00tec]

Haha! Fact.

Ironically, the cash is flowing the other way there. Manning owns several franchise stores, but pays fees and percentages to corporate.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Ha! Quarterback and aspiring pizza mogul.

My subjectivity aside, I have to wonder if he wouldn’t do better with his own name.

[Martinjmpr]

I cannot agree even a little. “Papa” is getting exactly what he paid for: airtime during a game. There is no way his contract has some sort of negotiated “behavior of the NFL” clause in it. I’d also be surprised if there were some sort of “declining ratings” clause.



No, he's NOT getting what he paid for. That's why he's complaining.

If someone ordered a pizza from PJs and it tasted like shit, would you say "well, serves them right, they ordered from Papa Johns so they got what they deserved?"

Maybe you would but you'd be wrong: Whatever your subjective opinion of them, Papa John's promised that buyer a good pizza and if they don't deliver on that promise, buyer is entitled to be pissed off at PJs for failing.

In the same way, Papa John's paid the NFL X brazillian dollars to advertise with the expectation that they would get Y Brazilian eyeballs watching their commercials.

They got that expectation because the NFL told them "these are our ratings for 2016 and we project that in 2017 the ratings will go from Y Brazilian to Z Brazilian." That was the expectation that they SOLD to Papa John's.

Every advertiser has $$ to pay for advertising and every venue that sells advertising - whether it is the NFL or Dancing With the Stars, sells its advertising with the explicit promise to advertisers that "if you put this ad on our program you will have X number of people watching and that will result in sales." That's how advertising works.

If the ratings are now showing that instead of Y Brazilians or Z Brazilians of eyeballs watching PJ commercials, there are actually only Y minus 10% Brazilians watching, then PJ's is entitled to be pissed because just like the angry pizza customer, they didn't get what they paid for.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

IIRC, you are an attorney, correct? I’ll have to defer contracts to you, if so. I am not, but I sure read and review a lot of contracts for business purposes.

I still cannot agree on the point or the analogy, and although I agree that any “buyer is entitled to be pissed off” -I won’t agree that it is with merit. What is a “good” pizza, objectively and contractually? What is my expectation? That every ingredient is there? I might have an expectation around temperature range or microbiological quality, but not taste. I couldn’t get any contract so ill defined as “taste” past any attorneys I’ve worked with.

So – My question: this keeps pointing to the NFL, but did he sign a contract *for airtime* with the NFL?
His contract with the NFL is probably to put his logo on their banners or vice-versa with him putting their logo on his boxes or whatever, and is probably separate and independent from his contracts with TV.

His airtime contract (expectation of Y Brazilian eyeballs) is with the networks, right? Again, I don’t do advertising, but my impression of those sales is such that they do make a prediction (Y Brazilian eyeballs) and sell him a contract based on that, but when it becomes Y -10%, he gets makegoods (the airtime he is due), which he may or may not be pissed about but the guy is on TV constantly. In fact, my other impression is that networks tend to attempt to oversell slightly since Y+10% is seen as far more problematic economically. I still say he paid for airtime, he is getting airtime. His axe to grind is as subjective as my opinion on his pizza.

Even still, there are any number of reasons tastes can change viewership of the NFL. Is he pissed about the concussion movie? The kneeling down is lame, but expecting some sort of consistent code of conduct with the NFL is absurd.

[Martinjmpr]

His airtime contract (expectation of Y Brazilian eyeballs) is with the networks, right? Again, I don’t do advertising, but my impression of those sales is such that they do make a prediction (Y Brazilian eyeballs) and sell him a contract based on that, but when it becomes Y -10%, he gets makegoods (the airtime he is due), which he may or may not be pissed about but the guy is on TV constantly. In fact, my other impression is that networks tend to attempt to oversell slightly since Y+10% is seen as far more problematic economically. I still say he paid for airtime, he is getting airtime.


Yes but that sale was based on an expectation, and if the NFL is either acting or failing to act in such a way that it undermines PJ's reasonable expectation, then the buyer is entitled to be angry because he's not getting what he paid for.

I think you're getting confused about the legal issues. This is not a legal issue - AFAIK, PJs is not trying to sue NFL for breach of contract.

Instead, he's an angry customer who was sold something that he thought would be valuable and PJ's contends is now LESS valuable because of the actions (or inactions) of the NFL.

So it's not a legal issue - nobody is questioning that he paid for airtime and got airtime, and again, AFAIK he's not trying to get out of paying the NFL (my assumption is he's already paid.) He's angry because he paid this money and didn't get the value he'd expected.


His axe to grind is as subjective as my opinion on his pizza.

So what? He's entitled to his subjective opinion, just as you are entitled to yours.


Even still, there are any number of reasons tastes can change viewership of the NFL. Is he pissed about the concussion movie? The kneeling down is lame, but expecting some sort of consistent code of conduct with the NFL is absurd.

If they sell him something, is he not entitled to expect that they, the NFL, won't deliberately do something that diminishes the value of what PJs bought?

Here's an analogy: Lets say you need a place to live, so you look around and find a decent apartment. You go look at the apartment in the daytime, everything's fine. You sign a 1 year lease.

Two days after moving in, the people in the apartment below you start cooking meth. The smell is awful. You call the police, they arrest the perpetrators but the landlord does nothing to clean up the mess and it makes your place unlivable.

Are you entitled to be pissed off? Hey, you paid for an apartment and you got an apartment, right? So what are you complaining about, you got what you paid for didn't you?

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I think we are disagreeing on the basic underlying assumptions. Is the issue what he paid for or expectations?


Yes but that sale was based on an expectation, and if the NFL is either acting or failing to act in such a way that it undermines PJ's reasonable expectation, then the buyer is entitled to be angry because he's not getting what he paid for.

We both agree he paid for airtime and got airtime.
You think PJ has a reasonable expectation, and I disagree. -That’s cool.

PJ wants a clean NFL, he wants eyeballs on it, and he wants NFL fans to order pizza. I don’t think any of those are reasonable to guarantee, personally, and I don’t think any are fair to hang on a tiger that’ll never change his stripes.


Here's an analogy: Lets say you need a place to live, so you look around and find a decent apartment. You go look at the apartment in the daytime, everything's fine. You sign a 1 year lease.


I might put forth that a better analogy would be PJ (or me) watching that apartment for 30 years, doing off and on business with the landlord, and watching the types of clientele, perhaps meth buyers and sellers, going in and out of the door for years, with various levels of “clean up.” Then PJ (or me) decides to jump in and later complain that the place is full of smelly criminals. I don’t think I have much right to be pissed off. And that’s why I laugh that PJ spoke up.

I don’t think we’ll agree on it, which is fine. If you think he has a legit beef, I guess buy some pizza. [Dunno]

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

If they sell him something, is he not entitled to expect that they, the NFL, won't deliberately do something that diminishes the value of what PJs bought?


Tangential thought 2: Based on this thread, and the 49er suppressor thread, is there any evidence to suggest the NFL thinks they are diminishing their value? They seem kind of proud of all of this. NFL and PJ may have something of a values mismatch.

[Rumline]

Maybe they've made the decision that red-blooded Americans aren't who they want to target anymore and that SJWs are a more lucrative audience.

[JohnnyDrama]

Ha! Quarterback and aspiring pizza mogul.

My subjectivity aside, I have to wonder if he wouldn’t do better with his own name.

What ever happened to Craig Morton?

[BladesNBarrels]

Papa John's paid the NFL X brazillian dollars to advertise with the expectation that they would get Y Brazilian eyeballs watching their commercials.
They got that expectation because the NFL told them "these are our ratings for 2016 and we project that in 2017 the ratings will go from Y Brazilian to Z Brazilian." That was the expectation that they SOLD to Papa John's.


Dang, I didn't know Papa John's was selling Brazilian Pizza's in Brazil to Brazilians for Brazilian dollars

72428

watching Brazilian football.

72427

Learn something new everyday.
[Beer]

[MrPrena]

I am getting strong urge to make a new thread with title, "anyone else fed up with papa Johns delivery?"

[Aloha_Shooter]

I cannot agree even a little. “Papa” is getting exactly what he paid for: airtime during a game. There is no way his contract has some sort of negotiated “behavior of the NFL” clause in it. I’d also be surprised if there were some sort of “declining ratings” clause.

Whenever someone pays big coin to advertise because of association with a celebrity or popular event, they are paying that coin to get a positive association. Papa John's pays the networks for the airtime, they pay the NFL to be an official sponsor because of the positive benefit that conveys. When said benefit is no longer positive because of misbehavior or failure to enforce behavior standards, the advertiser certainly does have the right to complain. S/he may not have a right to a refund but s/he can certainly complain that the NFL is mismanaging the situation.



The NFL is OK with letting Ray Lewis and Michael Vick back in, but hey guys - clean it up and follow the rules: pizza guy wants a clean image.

... and examples like that are why the NFL lost me before this new controversy started but it obviously didn't affect most of the fanbase. The new controversy is different, it definitely HAS had an effect on sales of all kinds of related products -- I would expect all the advertisers to have words with the NFL. If they didn't they should just suck up continued reductions in demand.

... and your post loses credibility when you claim Domino's has better pizza. I might give you Pizza Hut despite all the grease in their crust but Domino's with the cardboard crust? Never!

[00tec]

Whenever someone pays big coin to advertise because of association with a celebrity or popular event, they are paying that coin to get a positive association. Papa John's pays the networks for the airtime, they pay the NFL to be an official sponsor because of the positive benefit that conveys. When said benefit is no longer positive because of misbehavior or failure to enforce behavior standards, the advertiser certainly does have the right to complain. S/he may not have a right to a refund but s/he can certainly complain that the NFL is mismanaging the situation.




... and examples like that are why the NFL lost me before this new controversy started but it obviously didn't affect most of the fanbase. The new controversy is different, it definitely HAS had an effect on sales of all kinds of related products -- I would expect all the advertisers to have words with the NFL. If they didn't they should just suck up continued reductions in demand.

... and your post loses credibility when you claim Domino's has better pizza. I might give you Pizza Hut despite all the grease in their crust but Domino's with the cardboard crust? Never!

When was the last time you had Dominos? Haha

[Madeinhb]

I cannot agree even a little. “Papa” is getting exactly what he paid for: airtime during a game. There is no way his contract has some sort of negotiated “behavior of the NFL” clause in it. I’d also be surprised if there were some sort of “declining ratings” clause.

If you are dumb enough to expect a league of athletes to somehow behave and not manage to otherwise alienate sections of the fanbase, you get exactly what you deserve. That goes double if it is the child abusers, wife beaters, drug abusers, and assault & battery crew that is the NFL & NBA. How can you seriously think that is what you are getting when you sign on with the league that has been OK with this for generations?

The NFL is OK with letting Ray Lewis and Michael Vick back in, but hey guys - clean it up and follow the rules: pizza guy wants a clean image.

I don't have an issue with Michael Vick. He did his time and once out, still had some gas left. Now Ray Lewis - yes I agree.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Whenever someone pays big coin to advertise because of association with a celebrity or popular event, they are paying that coin to get a positive association. Papa John's pays the networks for the airtime, they pay the NFL to be an official sponsor because of the positive benefit that conveys. When said benefit is no longer positive because of misbehavior or failure to enforce behavior standards, the advertiser certainly does have the right to complain. S/he may not have a right to a refund but s/he can certainly complain that the NFL is mismanaging the situation.

Here are a couple of interesting articles on the NFL ratings:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-02/nfl-s-litany-of-excuses-runs-out-as-ratings-fall-for-second-year
https://www.wsj.com/articles/overexposure-not-anthem-protests-blamed-for-nfls-ratings-woes-1509615005

The first one mentions Papa Schatt himself, and he blames revenue growth failure on the NFL, but meanwhile Bloomberg and WSJ are noting the decline definitely precedes this latest controversy and is more likely due to bad matchups, loss of superstars, dilution of product and overexposure, and they have data to back this.

So I stand by my original assertion - loser talk. Maybe lack of growth is also due to the fact that you’ve saturated the pizza market too. Your commercials are on non-stop and every township has one of your franchises. Even fat Americans can only consume so much low-grade pizza. Pizza Hut and Dominos aren’t complaining, but as several of you point out - they didn’t hitch their wagon to the controversy. That’s fine, but I’m betting football days are some of their biggest as well.


... and your post loses credibility when you claim Domino's has better pizza. I might give you Pizza Hut despite all the grease in their crust but Domino's with the cardboard crust? Never!

Roffles. That’s fine, taste is subjective. Clearly all of them sell a lot of pizza, but the sight of those dipping sauces that PJ offers (or did) just make me involuntarily shudder with disgust.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I don't have an issue with Michael Vick. He did his time and once out, still had some gas left. Now Ray Lewis - yes I agree.

But many did and it was a PR problem. Neither were hot buttons for me (although I think both guys are pieces of shit), but merely other big NFL headaches.

[Madeinhb]

But many did and it was a PR problem. Neither were hot buttons for me (although I think both guys are pieces of shit), but merely other big NFL headaches.

True. I never understood people who said Vick shouldn't be allowed to do anything. He served his time and then was able to go about his life. We don't put stipulations on working except a few cases. People get too butt hurt now a days.

[Gman]

From the 'they still don't get it" department...

Saints: It's 'unfortunate' vet rejects honor over anthem protests (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/saints-its-unfortunate-vet-rejects-honor-over-anthem-protests/ar-AAunXY7)


A Navy veteran is taking a stand against those taking a knee.

John Wells, a retired U.S. Navy commander, turned down an offer from the Saints to be honored prior to last Sunday's game against the Bears because he can't "in good conscience" enter an NFL stadium due to the ongoing national anthem protests.

"Although I am touched and honored to be selected for such an award, the ongoing controversy with NFL players' disrespect for the national flag forces me to decline to participate in the presentation," Wells wrote, according to a release, per reports. "I am unable, in good conscience, to enter an NFL stadium while this discourtesy prevails. Since this award is tainted with the dishonorable actions of the NFL and its players, I cannot accept it."

Wells, who is the executive director of Military Veterans Advocacy, was slated to receive the Peoples Health Champion Award, an honor awarded at Saints home games to recognize "the exceptional achievements of Louisiana residents age 65 and older."

Wells described the national anthem protests as "a slap in the face" to military veterans.

"Men and women have fought and died for the flag that the players are disrespecting," Wells wrote.

The Saints called Well's decision "unfortunate and disappointing" in a lengthy statement released Thursday.

[Bailey Guns]

Good for him.

[buffalobo]

I love it when folks give a polite "Up yours".[fyou]

[OtterbatHellcat]

Yeah, that's awesome he turned it down and stated quite clearly why. The extra sting in that story is the Saints organization gets the last word with "Unfortunate and disappointing".......fuk you guys. Your fukkin players are unfortunate disappointing.

I turned that shit off and haven't looked back.

[Circuits]

It's OK, folks - the NFL has determined the drop in ratings has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with protests or the anthem - it's just "viewer fatigue" - they've offered too much content to too many users too quickly and too cheaply. That's their story and and they're sticking to it. (for now)

[Gman]

Vin Scully: 'I will never watch another NFL game' (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/vin-scully-i-will-never-watch-another-nfl-game/ar-AAut7kN)


Vin Scully said Saturday night that he will “never watch another NFL game” in response to the ongoing demonstrations by some players during the national anthem.

Speaking at “An Evening with Vin Scully” at the Pasadena Civic Auditorium on Saturday, the longtime Los Angeles Dodgers announcer was asked about the response from owners, players and commissioner Roger Goodell to the demonstrations, which players have used to protest racial injustice and police brutality.

“I have only one personal thought, really. And I am so disappointed,” Scully said, according to multiple videos of the moment posted on social media. “I used to love, during the fall and winter, to watch the NFL on Sunday. And it’s not that I’m some great patriot. I was in the Navy for a year. Didn’t go anywhere. Didn’t do anything. But I have overwhelming respect and admiration for anyone who puts on a uniform and goes to war. So the only thing I can do in my little way is not to preach. I will never watch another NFL game.”

The NFL is running a bunch of commercials trying to stem the tide by stating that they're pro-veteran. Hey, NFL, actions are louder than words. Knock it off. Get political/social justice-y on your own time.

[Eric P]

Vin Scully: 'I will never watch another NFL game' (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/vin-scully-i-will-never-watch-another-nfl-game/ar-AAut7kN)



The NFL is running a bunch of commercials trying to stem the tide by stating that they're pro-veteran. Hey, NFL, actions are louder than words. Knock it off. Get political/social justice-y on your own time.

Saw that on the NASCAR recording and was about say the same.

[Gman]

Saw that on the NASCAR recording and was about say the same.
That's where I saw it as well, but live.

[Broadsword]

I'm a disabled veteran and I consider it a personal slap in the face.
The NFL can kiss my service connected, Army green ASS.
Broadsword

[flogger]

^^ Well stated Broadsword, I'm sure many here share your conviction. ^^

[flogger]

Is it fair to compare Colin the K with John McCarthy from the commie witch hunts in the 1950's? Much to do about nothing!

McCarthy ended up in disgrace. Pretty sure the same will happen with Colin (pronounced " CO-lin " like part of the human anatomy) .

Maybe the word 'Kaepernikism' will end up in the dictionaries some day. That will be great for the game!

F*CK the NFL.

[flogger]

OK it was JOE McCarthy.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

You aren’t buying their “Salute to Service” month and associated semi-camo gear?

[Gman]

You aren’t buying their “Salute to Service” month and associated semi-camo gear?[hahhah-no]

[GilpinGuy]

Budweiser always had some patriotic commercials on NFL games. I wonder how that will shake out.

[RblDiver]

You aren’t buying their “Salute to Service” month and associated semi-camo gear?

I tweeted that hashtag a couple times, because supposedly every #Salutetoservice mention cost them $5. I figure, $10 for 30 seconds work isn't bad, not like I'm watching them to help them recoup the costs.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I tweeted that hashtag a couple times, because supposedly every #Salutetoservice mention cost them $5. I figure, $10 for 30 seconds work isn't bad, not like I'm watching them to help them recoup the costs.

If it is anything like their cancer campaign, it is a total hoax.
http://www.businessinsider.com/small-amount-of-money-from-pink-nfl-merchandise-goes-to-breast-cancer-research-2013-10

[Bailey Guns]

OK it was JOE McCarthy.

Almost everything McCarthy said about the left and commies was right on the money. He just wasn't the most subtle person about. He was disgraced by the left at the time but history has proven him right over and over. In no way does he compare to the fag Kaepernick.

[TRnCO]

That's where I saw it as well, but live. Me as well, and my first thought was "too late for damage control". Screw em, show me some action instead of words. Show me you actually really do care. BUT here's the deal, it's about too late to buy me back....

[Circuits]

Almost everything McCarthy said about the left and commies was right on the money. He just wasn't the most subtle person about. He was disgraced by the left at the time but history has proven him right over and over. In no way does he compare to the fag Kaepernick.

Yep, when the Soviet Union fell and we had access to the KGB archives, pretty much everything Joe McCarthy said was proven correct. McCarthy just didn't have the proof for it all at the time.

[MrPrena]

I rarely hear someone kneeling down on a sports news
It will die down and those who kneel down would not have a press not covering it.

No one will give a damn, and they will stop wasting their calorie kneeling and get back up with all that heavy padding.

Then..............when the end of the season or end of contract comes, some gm and owner would not wanna sign them due to publicity stunts.

Shhhesh. Some say Tebow cannot find a job because he kneel down to pray after the game. :)

[GilpinGuy]

I'm a bit surprised at how this story has so much legs. To me it was, "Oh ok, they don't want my business" and case closed. I haven't seen one second of NFL since (not that hard since IDGAS anyway).

I didn't realize how so many were vested into this shit. For Cripes sake, they're a bunch of guys who play ball for a living. Speak about playing ball or I have no interest in what you say. Period.

[Bailey Guns]

https://youtu.be/8oY74hOK_iQ

[flogger]

Wow! Another close one for the Broncos!!

Not sure if the NFL will ever be the same. Good memories though!

[TRnCO]

Wow! Another close one for the Broncos!! They played? Sorry I missed it................................NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ronin13]

They played? Sorry I missed it................................NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was my response this morning when I heard they fell to the Raiders. That's how little I've been paying attention lately, I didn't even know who they were playing. But I did hear that thug Aqib Talib got into a fight... you can take the hoodlum out of the ghetto, but I guess you can't take the ghetto out of the hoodlum. Black lies matter, amirite?

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I’m sorry, but that is just loser talk. “I can’t sell my shitty pizza because fans hate the NFL.”
Suck it up, buttercup. Pizza Hut, Dominos, Papa Murphy, and a thousand mom and pops can sell pizza without complaining. Admittedly, they ALL have a much better product than your crap, though.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/10/papa-johns-founder-john-schnatter-resigns-as-chairman-of-company-boar.html

Haha, good. Bye, Felicia.

[Gman]

So now people will watch the NFL and buy Papa John's pizza?

I think the answer is "No" on both counts.

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[wyome]

NFL yes
Papa John's no...I like papa murphys better

[Aloha_Shooter]

NFL no, Papa Johns on occasion. Much better than the crap from Domino's although I prefer other places.

[Mazin]

Frank the pizza king for the win

[hurley842002]

Frank the pizza king for the winThat place is right down the street from me, you are saying I should try it? I had Mama Alvino's last night, and it was one of the best pizzas i've ever had.

[CS1983]

What happened to Keto, Hurley!?

[hurley842002]

What happened to Keto, Hurley!?Vacation happened to keto lol, I'll get back on track eventually.

[Rumline]

Papa John's is far from my first choice for pizza but this PC media character assassination is really stupid. Apparently even if you mock someone who used the N word (and speak it yourself), you're the moral equivalent of the KKK. Don't get me wrong using that kind of language in a business environment is really stupid at the very least. I just don't get the collective outrage that I'm expected to feel about this.

I'd still eat Papa John's long before I went to another NFL game.

[Gman]

One thing about being a white guy and the N word...

If you use it, you can say "I was taken out of context.", but it's difficult for anyone to wrap their head around where the use of it could ever be in a positive context. Find another way to make your point.

[2cents]

[hurley842002]

Papa John's is far from my first choice for pizza but this PC media character assassination is really stupid. Apparently even if you mock someone who used the N word (and speak it yourself), you're the moral equivalent of the KKK. Don't get me wrong using that kind of language in a business environment is really stupid at the very least. I just don't get the collective outrage that I'm expected to feel about this.

I'd still eat Papa John's long before I went to another NFL game.Pretty much how I feel, just hadn't put it into words.

[Irving]

Hurley, are you off tomorrow?

[hurley842002]

Hurley, are you off tomorrow?Yeah I'm off today.

[Aloha_Shooter]

https://youtu.be/xIXfqUmaA_M?t=67

[Mazin]

That place is right down the street from me, you are saying I should try it? I had Mama Alvino's last night, and it was one of the best pizzas i've ever had.

Get it and let it cool to room temp.....

[hurley842002]

Get it and let it cool to room temp.....Oh I'm all about room temp pizza!