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SideShow Bob
10-09-2016, 20:23
Last night at about 0130 I was awakened by a few people screaming, yelling & carrying on on the street in front of my house. After about 20 minutes of this, I looked out the bedroom window and saw a late model GM truck blocking about 3/4s of my driveway and an unidetified smaller car sitting on the street side of the truck.
After a mother couple of minutes of the raucous, I was reaching in my nightstand for my HD pistol to go outside and and tell the stupid f*cks to shut the hell up & to get their truck out from in front of my driveway, when I I heard several people shout "Don't do it man, don't do it !" Immeadiatly followed by a single gunshot.
I hit the floor, it was silent for a couple of seconds, then I I heard someone shout "let's get the hell out of here !"
Then both vehicles pealed out & left in opposite directions, the directions they were facing.
End of event... Any comments ?
Zundfolge
10-09-2016, 20:29
Presumably there are no bodies or blood in the street?
Did you call the police?
What did the 911 dispatcher say when you told them about this when you spoke to them at 0131 AM?
Please tell me your first thought wasn't to grab a gun and go outside to confront a bunch of total strangers.
SideShow Bob
10-09-2016, 20:35
No bodies or blood, no use calling the police, they were long gone by the time I could have called. I woke the wife up and made sure she was OK first, she slept through the whole thing including the gunshot. The head of our bed is to the wall to the street in front of the house.
Guess I will be giving the member that has those ballistic panels for sale a call.
SideShow Bob
10-09-2016, 20:39
Please tell me your first thought wasn't to grab a gun and go outside to confront a bunch of total strangers.
I was going to shine a 4D cell mag light on them from inside the front door and tell them to shut up and move along.
The pistol was going to be at my side behind the door just in case.
But there may have been a police car just a few blocks away and based on your description they may have been able to make a stop and recover a weapon. All just possibilities and no way of knowing whether it could have happened unless you make the call.
I'm not sure I've ever understood the yelling at people who are making too much noise response. It reminds me of my neighbors who yell at their dogs who are barking.
Glad no one was injured...at least as far as we know.
fportmen45
10-09-2016, 21:27
I was reaching in my nightstand for my HD pistol to go outside and and tell the stupid f*cks to shut the hell up & to get their truck out from in front of my driveway
Bad call on so many levels.
SideShow Bob
10-09-2016, 21:31
Bad call on so many levels.
Read post #5.
Try reading all the posts before making a half informed comment.
fportmen45
10-09-2016, 21:32
I'm not sure I've ever understood the yelling at people who are making too much noise response.
Yup. I made a 5 second cut with a chop saw at 9pm (my bad - turns out the noise ordinance is 7pm - learn something new everyday) - dude behind my house shot at me at least twice with a BB gun & took out my sliding glass door ($1.7k to replace) because of it.
fportmen45
10-09-2016, 21:37
Read post #5.
Try reading all the posts before making a half informed comment.
Your initial post now makes more sense. Thank you.
I was reaching in my nightstand for my HD pistol to go outside and and tell the stupid f*cks to shut the hell up
I normally would call the non emergency line of ACSO.
Yup. I made a 5 second cut with a chop saw at 9pm (my bad - turns out the noise ordinance is 7pm - learn something new everyday) - dude behind my house shot at me at least twice with a BB gun & took out my sliding glass door ($1.7k to replace) because of it.
Rough neighborhood. Glad I don't have to put up with shit like that here.
.455_Hunter
10-09-2016, 22:51
When we lived in a quiet Arvada neighborhood, such activities as the OP described would have resulted in a 911 call in about 30 seconds.
I hear gun shots all the time just, it is Aurora. I've just never been close enough to find out what takes place prior to the shooting. Good to know it’s not a drive by. I would imagine I would be a little uneasy if it looked like they were assembling in my driveway. Might believe they were getting ready to storm the house. I believe I would have awaken the wife, called police, grabbed a couple riot guns and waited inside to see what happened next. Don’t believe I would be going outside to stir the turd or force the issue. But that’s just me.
You wouldn't worry as much if you had a moat.
You should lend him that pile you bought into.
Stay inside the house, call the popo, make sure doors are locked, lights are out. Have adequate home defense ready in the event the situation attempts to spill into your home.
Thank god nobody in your family was hurt. To answer your question, I would have definitely called the police- if for nothing else than to reassure them that you were not in any way affiliated with the ruckus. Investigations also need a place to start; letting them know where to begin their canvas for questioning would also be nice. Just because you didn't see blood or bodies doesn't mean that bullet didn't go into someone else's home. Call the non-emergency number and tell them you'd like to speak with the PAR officer for your neighborhood and let them know what's going on. Let them decide what to do about it- like cstone said, there are a lot more variables that weren't taken into account.
hurley842002
10-10-2016, 07:09
As I saw "homicide investigation" as the headline on one of the local news channels, I couldn't help but think of this thread... At a minimum you could have gotten the investigation process started (if the incidents were related).
wctriumph
10-10-2016, 08:31
I have been in a similar situation, people and vehicles in my driveway and in front of the house screaming and cussing at each other. I moved my family to the back of the house, called the police and loaded up the 12 gauge, got dressed and strapped on the pistol. Another car drove by at the end of the block and fired off 7 rounds, one of which hit my truck in my driveway. The two other vehicles took off and the police showed up and blocked at least one of them within a block of my place, the other two at least got out of the neighborhood.
When I looked back on it I figure from the time I woke up, moved the family, called the police, loaded up and got dressed to the drive by shots fired was maybe 4 minutes and less than a minute later the police were there. About 10 minutes went by before the police actually walked up to my door. By then I had removed my pistol and I cooperated with the investigators. The next day I went over to where I thought the drive by vehicle was and I found 6 empty .38 super casings in the street. I used a pencil to pick them up and put them in a baggie and called the police, a detective was there almost as soon as I finished talking on the phone and they took the cases. She let me know that they had 4 suspects in custody. That was when I noticed the hit that my truck took and the she took some photos.
osok-308
10-10-2016, 08:46
But there may have been a police car just a few blocks away and based on your description they may have been able to make a stop and recover a weapon. All just possibilities and no way of knowing whether it could have happened unless you make the call.
This. It DID no good because you ended up not calling anyone VS it MAYBE not doing any good. Maybe the cops get the guy, maybe not. But this world would be better without people like this (potential murderers) on the street. For Pete's sale, it happened in front of your house! Think of that before choosing not to call.
Call the police and tell them the story.. If a body has been found anywhere any bit of information for them to go on helps. There may be others nearby with security cameras that may be able to connect vehicles to the crime and so one as well as help them develop a time frame.
Great-Kazoo
10-10-2016, 09:32
You did what you felt right at the time.
IMO shining a flashlight only give a specific target for them, if so inclined.
911, push spouse on floor (if she / he's groggy) stay away from windows, HD choice in hand. What order one picks is up to them.
Everything else. Doors locked, outside lights on, those should be daily routine items.
UNLESS they breach the perimeter (enter house) they're not a confirmed threat to you. BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
beast556
10-10-2016, 09:53
My 2 cents, I would never confront any one that is not trying to get in to my house. Im with Bob I would not have called the police either, never invite the man in to your life ever. If he called the cops and they pulled the car over than you are labled a rat by some peices of shit that knows where you live and can come back and fuck with you.
Be careful out there - next time it might #BLM looking for their free shit.
What did the 911 dispatcher say when you told them about this when you spoke to them at 0131 AM?
Please tell me your first thought wasn't to grab a gun and go outside to confront a bunch of total strangers.
^^ THIS ^^ is the right answer for many reasons. But allow me to wax poetic for just a minute..
In the scenario you described, going to your door/outside, with a handgun, to confront an unknown number of potential neerdowells. What exactly were you going to do with the (hand)gun (yeah, you said keep it inside while you made a really good target of yourself)? I am asking out of pure curiosity and not trying to demean.
So lets break this down.
Did you know, before you went to potentially confront them, that these neerdowells:
had the ABILITY to kill or do serious bodily injury to yourself or another?
that someone was in JEOPARDY of being killed or being seriously harmed by said neerdowells?
that these neerdowells had the IMMEDIATE OPPORTUNITY, and power, to kill or seriously harm someone
Based on your quick write-up, my thinking is NO to all three. Granted I wasn't there and I am only going by your quick words. Even if you could have said YES to all three of those, could you CLEARLY ARTICULATE your justifications under intense and immediate pressure? Don't know you, but I am going to guess probably not.
So if those are the case, why would you bring a gun and escalate the situation? Granted, you have the right to. But, if things would have escalated into you exchanging gun fire - your inability to answer a resounding and clear YES to the above three points would probably mean a bad time for you. If you were going to keep it, and you, inside - then why would your make yourself a really easy target? I am not a lawyer, and again not trying to cause issue, just someone who is curious and trying to figure out the thought process behind this.
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Now with that out of the way. Lets get to the choice of weaponry. You saw multiple neerdowells, in vehicles, already in a stable and fortified position - whose tensions were clearly escalated. And you brought a handgun? An HD at that (whether or Sig P238HD or a Hi-Standard HD .22 is unclear? These seems illogical and really really dumb to me. Granted I am Monday-morning quarterbacking here. But, the situation you described calls for a rifle, a semi-automatic one, with many many rounds at your disposal. Multiple potential assailants attacking from fortified positions... and you brought a pistol?
Maybe that is all you have -- but if that is the case, it is EVEN MORE REASON why you should have stayed in your room, called 911 and been a really good witness.
buckshotbarlow
10-10-2016, 10:33
clowns?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fda_1476018862
osok-308
10-10-2016, 10:40
My 2 cents, I would never confront any one that is not trying to get in to my house. Im with Bob I would not have called the police either, never invite the man in to your life ever. If he called the cops and they pulled the car over than you are labled a rat by some peices of shit that knows where you live and can come back and fuck with you.
You can still call 911 and wish to remain anonymous. People do it all the time. That keeps the police out of your hair and bad guys off of the street.
Did the neighbor who fired the shot remember to pick up his brass?
Aloha_Shooter
10-10-2016, 11:12
Did the neighbor who fired the shot remember to pick up his brass?
If you're talking about fportmen45's story, he said it was a BB gun -- no brass to pick up.
If you're talking about fportmen45's story, he said it was a BB gun -- no brass to pick up.
Was referring to the OP.
Suppose it could have been a blank round for affect - no brass to pick up.
Loud noises often frighten away wild animals.
BladesNBarrels
10-10-2016, 11:36
Yup. I made a 5 second cut with a chop saw at 9pm (my bad - turns out the noise ordinance is 7pm - learn something new everyday) - dude behind my house shot at me at least twice with a BB gun & took out my sliding glass door ($1.7k to replace) because of it.
Did he pay for the door replacement? Seems like a pretty drastic response to a noise infraction.
[Phone]
fportmen45
10-10-2016, 13:10
Did he pay for the door replacement? Seems like a pretty drastic response to a noise infraction.
[Phone]
We'll see...
vectorsc
10-10-2016, 13:41
I think its something that every police officer who reads this needs to consider:
Someone didn't call you because they were more worried about you than someone who is getting their murder on 30ft away.
Since that is a widespread reaction, I would consider it a real symptom of a real disease and not hypochondria.
I am lucky that other than traffic tickets, I have only had 6 major encounters with the police. 4 of them were bad because of the actions of the police themselves. 1 was neutral. 1 was good. None of them required that police help me in any way that I couldn't have handled myself if it weren't for the environment created by our modern lawsuit/responsibility shedding society.
beast556
10-10-2016, 14:10
Huge +1 Vectorsc, ill keep it at that so I don't hurt anyones feels and get a time out.
vectorsc
10-10-2016, 14:23
Not trying to hurt feelings here.
I just remember my friend who was a city prosecutor (presumably a knowledgeable person about what happens on the other side of police encounters) state flatly that he would never call a police officer to his home for any reason ever. Since this is on topic with people bashing the OP about not calling the cops meaning he is the douchebag here I'm going to have to push back.
OP - good on you for not calling the cops. Sorry to the vast majority of cops out there who are helping out and acting with honor and integrity for the fact that people feel that way, including myself.
I don't believe anyone was bashing the OP for not calling the police. He was there, we were not. It was his call to make and he handled it how he chose. Everything we say afterwards is hindsight based on personal opinion. I could be mistaken but I believe that there is an implied invitation by the OP for the group to express opinions when he posted his experience.
As for any opinion about whether the police should be called or not, again, that would be a personal opinion. As long as there aren't personal attacks in the thread, by all means express your opinions.
vectorsc, since you expressed your anecdotal experience, I will reciprocate and share mine. The last place I worked where most citizens would not call the police was Washington DC, specifically SE, Anacostia. Not calling the police had pretty significant consequences for that community in the 1990's. It was a choice they made and some still are making, but there is a reason why some neighborhoods become as bad as they have. Make your choices however you please, as long as you have no problem living with the consequences.
Not trying to hurt feelings here.
I just remember my friend who was a city prosecutor (presumably a knowledgeable person about what happens on the other side of police encounters) state flatly that he would never call a police officer to his home for any reason ever. Since this is on topic with people bashing the OP about not calling the cops meaning he is the douchebag here I'm going to have to push back.
OP - good on you for not calling the cops. Sorry to the vast majority of cops out there who are helping out and acting with honor and integrity for the fact that people feel that way, including myself.
I think you've read into some of the responses, here.
The OP asked for comments. Clearly, we're all armchair quarterbacking and we weren't in that situation. Nobody suggested Sideshow Bob was a douchebag- this isn't an either/or scenario where everyone is saying, "You're wrong!" because they would have done something differently; people are explaining why they would have called the cops or not called the cops.
Your response appears to imply anyone that would have called the cops in a situation where there was gunfire in a residential neighborhood are somehow less capable than those that would never call them, kind of suggesting that people don't care about police officers. Was that your intent?
I'm just not quite clear on your meaning. I'm not trying to nitpick or start a fight- I'm just trying to understand.
cmailliard
10-10-2016, 20:40
Not my monkey's not my circus, as long as the circus stays in the street. My cameras will record what is going on. They step foot in the house they are dead monkey's, cameras may record that too.
I would call the cops. My neighborhood is remote with easy escape routes, the bad guys know this. TPD knows the bad guys know this. We have had more than a few break-in's, burglary's, and property damage. They have stepped up patrols in the neighborhood. For something like this, they need to know. I want the cops around.
I am strong supporter of LE, I fly a Thin Blue Line Flag almost every day. TPD has used my house as a staging point for a SWAT call (I gave them the garage door code and told them to make themselves at home). I knew the house they were looking at, mine had the same floorplan and was a good jumping off point. I want the cops to know me, especially the ones that patrol my neighborhood. I owe a few PoPo's more than I can ever repay them, they have saved my ass a time or two.
I think its something that every police officer who reads this needs to consider:
Someone didn't call you because they were more worried about you than someone who is getting their murder on 30ft away.
You are severely out of touch with the world around you.
KevDen2005
10-11-2016, 00:32
But there may have been a police car just a few blocks away and based on your description they may have been able to make a stop and recover a weapon. All just possibilities and no way of knowing whether it could have happened unless you make the call.
I'm not sure I've ever understood the yelling at people who are making too much noise response. It reminds me of my neighbors who yell at their dogs who are barking.
Glad no one was injured...at least as far as we know.
I'll have to second this. Don't scare them off. Call 911, get PD enroute. Maybe they are close by. If these idiots are firing guns in the middle of the street near your house, maybe they are associated with other crimes, maybe another crime that just occurred. Give PD a chance to get on them before scaring them off. Have pistol ready in case of emergency.
KevDen2005
10-11-2016, 00:33
I think its something that every police officer who reads this needs to consider:
Someone didn't call you because they were more worried about you than someone who is getting their murder on 30ft away.
Since that is a widespread reaction, I would consider it a real symptom of a real disease and not hypochondria.
I am lucky that other than traffic tickets, I have only had 6 major encounters with the police. 4 of them were bad because of the actions of the police themselves. 1 was neutral. 1 was good. None of them required that police help me in any way that I couldn't have handled myself if it weren't for the environment created by our modern lawsuit/responsibility shedding society.
Not really sure how to read this. Are you suggesting people should be more afraid of the police rather than a bunch of idiots committing crimes in front of people's houses in the middle of the night?
GilpinGuy
10-11-2016, 00:43
I think its something that every police officer who reads this needs to consider:
Someone didn't call you because they were more worried about you than someone who is getting their murder on 30ft away.
I saw nothing remotely resembling this from the OP.
osok-308
10-11-2016, 08:25
You are severely out of touch with the world around you.
I saw nothing remotely resembling this from the OP.
+1 to both of these.
OP mostly was talking about the incident and what he did. I (and others) suggested he call the police because I would definitely call. Someone who has no qualms with murdering someone in front of your house probably won't have any qualms with breaking in to do the same.
hurley842002
10-11-2016, 09:05
Not really sure how to read this. Are you suggesting people should be more afraid of the police rather than a bunch of idiots committing crimes in front of people's houses in the middle of the night?
That's how I read it.
vectorsc
10-11-2016, 09:57
Im glad the both of you understand my position on this. No thats not sarcasm.
If you arent involved in a crime but merely witness it yes you should have some concern that calling the police to respond may have negative consequences for you.
Examples from this very situation:
"So you had a gun you said. Lets go collect that to make sure you werent the one firing."
"Do you mind if we search your entire house looking for a bullet hole?"
"Did you know that some random law among the 262,517 ordinances that apply to you is in violation here?"
And im glad for those of you who dont feel that inviting the police in and inviting in trouble are one in the same - it means you haven't had the bad experiences with that one guy on the force every good cop desparately wishes they could fire.
That's how I read it.
KevDen2005
10-11-2016, 10:01
Im glad the both of you understand my position on this. No thats not sarcasm.
If you arent involved in a crime but merely witness it yes you should have some concern that calling the police to respond may have negative consequences for you.
Examples from this very situation:
"So you had a gun you said. Lets go collect that to make sure you werent the one firing."
"Do you mind if we search your entire house looking for a bullet hole?"
"Did you know that some random law among the 262,517 ordinances that apply to you is in violation here?"
And im glad for those of you who dont feel that inviting the police in and inviting in trouble are one in the same - it means you haven't had the bad experiences with that one guy on the force every good cop desparately wishes they could fire.
You are out of touch. Stop watching Alex Jones
KevDen2005
10-11-2016, 10:04
You are out of touch. Stop watching Alex Jones
You're exactly what's wrong with this country. You have listened to the media and entertainment tell you over and over again the police are the bad guys and not the people committing crimes right in front of you. Your scenario would actually never happen. In reality what would happen is, could I get your info and and a witness statement? Could you identify the driver, license plate, vehicle, or person who shot the gun? We would like to arrest said criminal and your support makes that easier? No you don't want to, well we would like you to but we won't make you. Thanks for your time.
hurley842002
10-11-2016, 10:04
You are out of touch. Stop watching Alex Jones
I was thinking go find a BLM movement somewhere, but now that you mention it, his thought process leans much more towards tin foil than outright hate...
beast556
10-11-2016, 10:52
I love how all the LE guys get buthurt and attack you when ever you dont agree with them. This is exactly why we don't trust you.
beast556
10-11-2016, 10:54
Im glad the both of you understand my position on this. No thats not sarcasm.
If you arent involved in a crime but merely witness it yes you should have some concern that calling the police to respond may have negative consequences for you.
Examples from this very situation:
"So you had a gun you said. Lets go collect that to make sure you werent the one firing."
"Do you mind if we search your entire house looking for a bullet hole?"
"Did you know that some random law among the 262,517 ordinances that apply to you is in violation here?"
And im glad for those of you who dont feel that inviting the police in and inviting in trouble are one in the same - it means you haven't had the bad experiences with that one guy on the force every good cop desparately wishes they could fire.
Vectorsc, I agree with you 100% on what you have said again.
I love how all the LE guys get buthurt and attack you when ever you dont agree with them. This is exactly why we don't trust you.
[ROFL2]
Posted by a butthurt anti LE brotherhood member.
The advertised self unawareness is priceless.
Please continue - it amuses me.
Enough of the personal attacks.
Everyone has an opinion. State yours and your objection to the opinions raised by others and move along. Make it personal and the least that will happen will be the thread gets closed. Depending on how personal and time outs will be issued.
I believe there are legitimate reasons for calling the police and legitimate reasons for not calling the police. What you do on any given occasion is your business. Either way you choose may have consequences. Choose wisely.
and of course...Be safe.
When I call the cops, I just show my white privilege card and they let me go. :shrugs:
beast556
10-11-2016, 11:50
[ROFL2]
Posted by a butthurt anti LE brotherhood member.
The advertised self unawareness is priceless.
Please continue - it amuses me.
This is America and everyone is free to have there own opinion and believe what they want, that is what makes this the greatest country on this planet. Im glad I could amuse you, I belive what I belive because of life experiences and nothing any one can say or do will change my mind.
funkymonkey1111
10-11-2016, 12:01
[ROFL2]
Posted by a butthurt anti LE brotherhood member.
The advertised self unawareness is priceless.
Please continue - it amuses me.
Your blindness amuses me
This is America and everyone is free to have there own opinion and believe what they want, that is what makes this the greatest country on this planet. Im glad I could amuse you, I belive what I belive because of life experiences and nothing any one can say or do will change my mind.
My amusement is based on the fact you aligned with others against law enforcement, and then posted a reply stating how you don't trust LE because LE supporters aligned and "attacked" you and yours by posting their opinions.
You've now followed up by stating everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
I just don't understand those who complain about other's opinions in one post and then defending the right to opinions in another.
Appears hypocritical.
I hope your encounters with LE are positive in the future - enough to change your own opinion.
[Beer]
Your blindness amuses me
https://goodideajohng.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/blind-monkey.jpg?w=300&h=276
hurley842002
10-11-2016, 12:21
I don't always agree with davsel, but then again sometimes I do....
kidicarus13
10-11-2016, 12:36
I won't take sides but here us a very popular YouTube video titled Don't Talk to Cops...
https://youtu.be/i8z7NC5sgik
When I call the cops, I just show my white privilege card and they let me go. :shrugs:
Hell, they let me drive and run the siren.
I won't take sides but here us a very popular YouTube video titled Don't Talk to Cops...
https://youtu.be/i8z7NC5sgik
That video should be titled; Don't Talk to Cops without consulting with a lawyer first. Preferably you should have a lawyer present while answering questions.
I firmly believe that this is usually good advice, although in the OP's example, since he chose not to call the police, no lawyers were necessary.
Life is seldom so very black and white and most of us can't tell one shade of gray from another.
vectorsc
10-11-2016, 13:05
I couldn't agree more. And as you said, there is an overall opportunity cost to not calling the cops. These people are obviously douchebags to be touching off a round in the neighborhood as a result of what was probably a drug fueled dumbass-fest. And it would be nice to give the cops a shot at them. That said, no need to call your lawyer at 1am.
That video should be titled; Don't Talk to Cops without consulting with a lawyer first. Preferably you should have a lawyer present while answering questions.
I firmly believe that this is usually good advice, although in the OP's example, since he chose not to call the police, no lawyers were necessary.
Life is seldom so very black and white and most of us can't tell one shade of gray from another.
osok-308
10-11-2016, 16:17
Im glad the both of you understand my position on this. No thats not sarcasm.
If you arent involved in a crime but merely witness it yes you should have some concern that calling the police to respond may have negative consequences for you.
Examples from this very situation:
"So you had a gun you said. Lets go collect that to make sure you werent the one firing."
"Do you mind if we search your entire house looking for a bullet hole?"
"Did you know that some random law among the 262,517 ordinances that apply to you is in violation here?"
And im glad for those of you who dont feel that inviting the police in and inviting in trouble are one in the same - it means you haven't had the bad experiences with that one guy on the force every good cop desparately wishes they could fire.
This is all avoided from calling the police non-emergent line and saying " I live in the xxxx block of xxxxx Street. I heard an argument and what sounded like a gunshot. here is a description of the car. i wish to remain anonymous." Cops get calls all the time from people who refuse to give their name or any further contact information. Example of how to call the cops and not have your life intruded on. You don't HAVE to mention that you have a gun for your self-protection.
Most police aren't out to punish the average Joe for BS small things. Every cop I've ever met wanted to get bad guys (people who hurt other people for no reason) off of the streets.
fportmen45
10-11-2016, 17:03
This is all avoided from calling the police non-emergent line and saying " I live in the xxxx block of xxxxx Street. I heard an argument and what sounded like a gunshot. here is a description of the car. i wish to remain anonymous." Cops get calls all the time from people who refuse to give their name or any further contact information. Example of how to call the cops and not have your life intruded on. You don't HAVE to mention that you have a gun for your self-protection.
Most police aren't out to punish the average Joe for BS small things. Every cop I've ever met wanted to get bad guys (people who hurt other people for no reason) off of the streets.
This. With my previous example, as an example, the cops came into my home, did their thing & left. I was armed, my wife was armed - did they care? Nope. Were we taping it on our phones threatening to put it on youtube while adjusting our tinfoil hats? Nope. Were they very reassuring? Yup. Did they offer home protection advice? Yup. Last, but not least, were they totally professional? Yup.
beast556
10-11-2016, 17:53
This. With my previous example, as an example, the cops came into my home, did their thing & left. I was armed, my wife was armed - did they care? Nope. Were we taping it on our phones threatening to put it on youtube while adjusting our tinfoil hats? Nope. Were they very reassuring? Yup. Did they offer home protection advice? Yup. Last, but not least, were they totally professional? Yup.
Thank you for sharing your little story with us. To bad we dont live in a perfect world and all interactions go this well all the time.
Let me share my storie of the first LE interaction I had. My brother and I were walking to school I was in 6th grade and my brother was in 5th. Two cop cars come screeching to a hault female officer grabs me and male officer grabs my brother and throws him to the ground starts kicking him and then gets down and starts chokeing him, yelling confess to me now and this will be over. After about two minutes wich in kid time felt like an eternity. I hear over the radio we have suspect in custody. Female cop told me if you say anything about this she would put us in jail and they got in there cars and took off. We were scared to death and never told any one it shook bolth of us to the core. The look on my brothers face is burned in to my memory, sheer terror. Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.
fportmen45
10-11-2016, 18:03
Thank you for sharing your little story with us. To bad we dont live in a perfect world and all interactions go this well all the time.
Let me share my storie of the first LE interaction I had. My brother and I were walking to school I was in 6th grade and my brother was in 5th. Two cop cars come screeching to a hault female officer grabs me and male officer grabs my brother and throws him to the ground starts kicking him and then gets down and starts chokeing him, yelling confess to me now and this will be over. After about two minutes wich in kid time felt like an eternity. I hear over the radio we have suspect in custody. Female cop told me if you say anything about this she would put us in jail and they got in there cars and took off. We were scared to death and never told any one it shook bolth of us to the core. The look on my brothers face is burned in to my memory, sheer terror. Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.
Your solution to the current climate? What did your parents do?
EDIT: "Thank you for sharing your little story with us." Belittling and again speaks volumes about the gang mentality.
osok-308
10-11-2016, 18:49
Thank you for sharing your little story with us. To bad we dont live in a perfect world and all interactions go this well all the time.
Let me share my storie of the first LE interaction I had. My brother and I were walking to school I was in 6th grade and my brother was in 5th. Two cop cars come screeching to a hault female officer grabs me and male officer grabs my brother and throws him to the ground starts kicking him and then gets down and starts chokeing him, yelling confess to me now and this will be over. After about two minutes wich in kid time felt like an eternity. I hear over the radio we have suspect in custody. Female cop told me if you say anything about this she would put us in jail and they got in there cars and took off. We were scared to death and never told any one it shook bolth of us to the core. The look on my brothers face is burned in to my memory, sheer terror. Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.
I am truly sorry if this was an interaction that you had with police. I'm assuming that since your experience happened when you were in 6th grade, that this was probably upwards of 20 years ago (correct me if I'm wrong). I sincerely hope that the actions of a select few didn't make you dislike/distrust all cops, I mean, that's what the anti-gunners do to gun owners all the time (like every time that a mass shooting happens). Don't let the actions of a select few cause you to distrust them all. Most police that I know would never do anything like the story that you mentioned above. There are also mandatory reporting laws, where if a LEO uses excessive force, it MUST be reported within 24 hours. If not, those police will lose their jobs.
Thank you for sharing your little story with us. To bad we dont live in a perfect world and all interactions go this well all the time.
Let me share my storie of the first LE interaction I had. My brother and I were walking to school I was in 6th grade and my brother was in 5th. Two cop cars come screeching to a hault female officer grabs me and male officer grabs my brother and throws him to the ground starts kicking him and then gets down and starts chokeing him, yelling confess to me now and this will be over. After about two minutes wich in kid time felt like an eternity. I hear over the radio we have suspect in custody. Female cop told me if you say anything about this she would put us in jail and they got in there cars and took off. We were scared to death and never told any one it shook bolth of us to the core. The look on my brothers face is burned in to my memory, sheer terror. Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.
I'm sorry that happened to you and your brother. I assume this happened many years ago, but if it is within 20 years, the officers are likely still working in that same department. Ever check on them to see if they are still there?
As was mentioned earlier, no one wants bad officers to leave the profession more than good officers. Do good officers sometimes to bad things? You betcha. Do bad officers do good things? Occasionally. It isn't like there is a schedule that decides whether an individual officer will be bad or good on any given week, shift, call. Sometimes while in the pursuit of a good end, bad decisions are made and innocent people are hurt. That is what your situation sounds like to me.
When you say that every interaction you have ever had with law enforcement has been negative, I don't know how many interactions you are writing about, but often when I look a problem, I try to remove variables to isolate the source of the problem. If a person has 100 encounters with 100 different police officers. If all 100 of those negative encounters involving 100 different police officers are under different circumstances, how likely is the probability that the person encountered 100 different bad police officers on 100 different occasions? I hope you can see where I'm going with this.
I've said this to my kids, and I've said it to people I've supervised; most of life is about mental attitude. You have no control over the mental attitude of others but when you focus, you should have control over your own attitude. You can allow people to push your buttons and get from you what they want, or you can choose how you want to react or not to others. Your choice. We all are responsible for our actions. We all have choices on what we do.
Be safe.
osok-308
10-11-2016, 19:19
When you say that every interaction you have ever had with law enforcement has been negative, I don't know how many interactions you are writing about, but often when I look a problem, I try to remove variables to isolate the source of the problem. If a person has 100 encounters with 100 different police officers. If all 100 of those negative encounters involving 100 different police officers are under different circumstances, how likely is the probability that the person encountered 100 different bad police officers on 100 different occasions? I hope you can see where I'm going with this.
It's like I heard growing up:
If Bill has a problem with Joe, Steve, and Craig, maybe Joe, Steve, and Craig aren't the problem.
Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.
As Chuck pointed out, you're likely the common denominator.
Aloha_Shooter
10-12-2016, 06:04
I don't know what the circumstances were but it seems awfully odd that a police car would pull over just to beat a couple kids in elementary school, even if both police officers were vicious psychopaths who just happened to be partnered up. I wish Paul Harvey were still around because I think I'd like to hear the rest of the story.
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2016, 08:21
As Chuck pointed out, you're likely the common denominator.
Been watching & reading this thread.
I can say beyond a reasonable doubt. Beast556 is not the person some here believe he is, based on his opinion. . He has in the years we've known him and his family, ever expressed any negativity or hate towards LE. What his personal experience was, i never knew till now. Nor did he volunteer said info. Or do i feel his personal opinion has any bearing on our friendship.
UNLESS he puts a I'M WITH HILLARY sign in his yard
I don't know what the circumstances were but it seems awfully odd that a police car would pull over just to beat a couple kids in elementary school, even if both police officers were vicious psychopaths who just happened to be partnered up. I wish Paul Harvey were still around because I think I'd like to hear the rest of the story.
speaking from experience. I can tell you LE in CO is WAYYYYYYYYY different than those on either coast where both he and i grew up.
Example.
40+ years ago i couldn't take a MC ride without numerous LE encounters. Yes Numerous stops per day. Based on appearance, type of mc ridden and the mentality of LE (at the time) towards anyone riding Harleys, choppers etc.
Move to CO.... Day 1 on the bike pass 2 cops. NADA, ZIP not even a basic traffic stop, just to see who i was.
Sounds weird or possibly unbelievable? Of course it does. I can say that first and repeated days till i stopped riding. i NEVER had a negative (outside traffic stops for hypothetical exceeding posted speed limit) experience with LE's. be it on my mc , car or on foot because i "fit a profile" As the mentality was a back east one AND a different time. .
Now every swinging dick rides a mc AND is heavily tattooed. back in the 70's not happening.
1976 Pull up to a diner with a few other guys, hadn't finished putting the kickstand down before 2 uni's rolled up. Literally told to get back on the bikes and perhaps do our riding in another county.
There's a lot of adverse interactions i had while on my bike. 98% of it just because i was on a H-D. We called it Riding While Biker. I was not wearing a patch or riding with any MC "Gang" just the spouse & i, a few friends out for a casual spin.
Like i said different time, different mentality.
Im glad the both of you understand my position on this. No thats not sarcasm.
If you arent involved in a crime but merely witness it yes you should have some concern that calling the police to respond may have negative consequences for you.
Examples from this very situation:
"So you had a gun you said. Lets go collect that to make sure you werent the one firing."
"Do you mind if we search your entire house looking for a bullet hole?"
"Did you know that some random law among the 262,517 ordinances that apply to you is in violation here?"
And im glad for those of you who dont feel that inviting the police in and inviting in trouble are one in the same - it means you haven't had the bad experiences with that one guy on the force every good cop desparately wishes they could fire.
This opinion sounds very disconnected from reality... I may not have been on the job that long, but I have yet to hear about an RP not doing anything wrong getting charged with anything.
This is America and everyone is free to have there own opinion and believe what they want, that is what makes this the greatest country on this planet. Im glad I could amuse you, I belive what I belive because of life experiences and nothing any one can say or do will change my mind.
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but that doesn't make them correct or even right. We have to respect that other people have the right to their opinion, but we also reserve the right to express that your opinion is completely wrong and not based upon fact.
This is all avoided from calling the police non-emergent line and saying " I live in the xxxx block of xxxxx Street. I heard an argument and what sounded like a gunshot. here is a description of the car. i wish to remain anonymous." Cops get calls all the time from people who refuse to give their name or any further contact information. Example of how to call the cops and not have your life intruded on. You don't HAVE to mention that you have a gun for your self-protection.
Most police aren't out to punish the average Joe for BS small things. Every cop I've ever met wanted to get bad guys (people who hurt other people for no reason) off of the streets.
THIS. I cannot count how many times I hear the phrase "RP requests no contact with responding officers."
Thank you for sharing your little story with us. To bad we dont live in a perfect world and all interactions go this well all the time.
Let me share my storie of the first LE interaction I had. My brother and I were walking to school I was in 6th grade and my brother was in 5th. Two cop cars come screeching to a hault female officer grabs me and male officer grabs my brother and throws him to the ground starts kicking him and then gets down and starts chokeing him, yelling confess to me now and this will be over. After about two minutes wich in kid time felt like an eternity. I hear over the radio we have suspect in custody. Female cop told me if you say anything about this she would put us in jail and they got in there cars and took off. We were scared to death and never told any one it shook bolth of us to the core. The look on my brothers face is burned in to my memory, sheer terror. Every interaction that I have ever had with law enforcement has been negative.
Forgive me, but I have a hard time believing this. Not accusing you of lying or anything, but I think you're embellishing or perhaps omitting some pretty vital facts.
vectorsc
10-12-2016, 14:30
So first - good advice on an anonymous call.
Second, again, I'm very glad that the people with a good opinion of what is going to happen have that good opinion. It means that, if you are an officer, your department might be quite good. If you are a civilian, you might live in an area where the PD/SO etc is also very good. Wait till you run into a department with arrest quotas tied to promotions. Or a politically motivated "War on something"
I think its pretty easy to say that a police officer who lives in one place and spends 30 years in a good department is more out of touch with the reality of bad cops than someone who has lived in 30 places East Coast/West Coast, and Middle.
This opinion sounds very disconnected from reality... I may not have been on the job that long, but I have yet to hear about an RP not doing anything wrong getting charged with anything.
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but that doesn't make them correct or even right. We have to respect that other people have the right to their opinion, but we also reserve the right to express that your opinion is completely wrong and not based upon fact.
THIS. I cannot count how many times I hear the phrase "RP requests no contact with responding officers."
Forgive me, but I have a hard time believing this. Not accusing you of lying or anything, but I think you're embellishing or perhaps omitting some pretty vital facts.
beast556
10-12-2016, 16:07
Forgive me, but I have a hard time believing this. Not accusing you of lying or anything, but I think you're embellishing or perhaps omitting some pretty vital facts.[/QUOTE]
You guys can belive what ever you want, I have no reason to lie. Like others have said small town PD's are way different than PD's in large citys. I grew up in southern California near Los Angles, to say the cops were corrupt would be an understatement.
Zundfolge
10-12-2016, 16:34
speaking from experience. I can tell you LE in CO is WAYYYYYYYYY different than those on either coast where both he and i grew up.
Which is why it annoys me how many CO officers are transplants from places like Chicago and Boston.
Example.
40+ years ago i couldn't take a MC ride without numerous LE encounters. Yes Numerous stops per day. Based on appearance, type of mc ridden and the mentality of LE (at the time) towards anyone riding Harleys, choppers etc.
That's interesting because one of my neighbors is a retired cop from Mass ... overall seems like a decent guy (much more conservative politically than one would expect from a Masshead) but every time there are bikers in the area he'll post warnings about them on the neighborhood email list and FB page.
Maybe bikers back east are different too?
As for my interactions with LEOs, most of them are just fine (my parents live next door to a Wichita PD Captain who's now retired, he's always been pretty cool, and back when I lived in Wichita I did the business cards for the WPD so I got to meet a lot of them when they'd stop by the shop to pick up their cards ... and drink our coffee). But most of the negative interactions I've had with PD have been more about fecklessness, incompetence and general uselessness more than JBTs with bad attitudes. Like when I had a gun stolen during a real estate inspection and the CSPD "detective" spent his time flirting with one of the suspects and investigating me for "filing a false report" ... I certainly hope its not one of the good cops that has to deal with whomever has that gun now.
Great-Kazoo
10-12-2016, 16:43
That's interesting because one of my neighbors is a retired cop from Mass ... overall seems like a decent guy (much more conservative politically than one would expect from a Masshead) but every time there are bikers in the area he'll post warnings about them on the neighborhood email list and FB page.
Perhaps that says something more about his way of thinking than the "bikers" them self. Which goes to mentality of some when it comes to interacting with.
OH NO THERE'S BIKERS IN THE AREA. LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS, HIDE THE PONY KEG, OH THE HORROR......
BUT..............this thread seems to have veered off course of the OP.
funkymonkey1111
10-12-2016, 16:54
This opinion sounds very disconnected from reality... I may not have been on the job that long, but I have yet to hear about an RP not doing anything wrong getting charged with anything.
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but that doesn't make them correct or even right. We have to respect that other people have the right to their opinion, but we also reserve the right to express that your opinion is completely wrong and not based upon fact.
THIS. I cannot count how many times I hear the phrase "RP requests no contact with responding officers."
Forgive me, but I have a hard time believing this. Not accusing you of lying or anything, but I think you're embellishing or perhaps omitting some pretty vital facts.
That your stupid ass doesn't believe something doesn't make it less so
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