View Full Version : CCW Holder Shoots off leash Dog in Park
SuperiorDG
11-02-2016, 17:23
Sounds like the shooter has a little paranoia going on or he's just mean.
LOUDOUN COUNTY, Va. -- Some Virginia dog owners are angry that no charges have been filed against the man who shot and killed a puppy in a Loudoun County park. (http://wtvr.com/2016/11/02/no-charges-filed-after-man-fatally-shot-dog-in-virginia-park-1/)Macie, an 11-month-old Labrador mix, died last week along the trails of a wildlife sanctuary of Algonkian Regional Park.
Her owner, Susan Smith, was walking Macie off-leash when the dog ran and jumped near an older man and woman.
That man pulled out his 38-revolver and fired.
"She died in my arms. It is extremely painful. She was a good dog," Smith told WUSA9 (http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/owner-of-dog-shot-in-park-wants-gunowner-reviewed/345176204), sniffing back tears.
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Smith said she took Macie on that same walk daily and didn’t have a leash on her because no one was in sight.
On this particular day, Smith says her puppy and a dog that was with her group ran towards the older man and woman on a nearby trail.
Macie and starting "dancing" or jumping up behind him, said Smith. She said she could still see Macie and she never made physical contact with the man.
That’s when the older man yelled, "Call your dog! Call your dog!" Smith recalled. "I started to run and call for my dog. Maybe ten seconds went by. I saw his arm go down, I saw his arm cross his body and he fired."
The 50-pound dog was struck in the torso and bleed profusely before dying in Smith’s arms about five minutes later.
As the man walked by her as she hunched over her dead dog near the road, she said he looked down and said, "I'm sorry for your loss."
The director of Loudoun Animal Services says the man was not charged because there was no "willful act of cruelty." The director said the man felt threatened by the 50 pound dog that was less than three feet away from him.
The man’s name has not been released, but the director confirms he was legally allowed to carry the weapon.
People in the community are outraged and now calling for a review of the shooter's permit.
That decision would be up to the circuit court in the county, but because there are no charges in the case, a permit review is not expected to happen.
"You can't crack a beer down at the park pavilion but you can pop a dog with your gun!" Smith said.
http://wtkr.com/2016/11/02/no-charges-filed-after-man-fatally-shot-dog-in-virginia-park/
There are a couple simpletons here who'd do the same thing because it's always those happy tail wagging dogs randomly murder people all the time ya know.
I could see my wife shooting a dog. She's crazy afraid of strange animals.
We had a dog roaming around the neighborhood once. Obviously somebody's pet. Had a collar and a tag. Well, he snuck up in her in our garage one day to say hello and she was freaking out.
Another time we were in Manitou Springs and a guy had two Rottweilers on leashes. She made us cross the street so we wouldn't have to walk past them.
A painful lesson for a dumb dog owner. Control your pet. If you can't or won't, don't be outraged when someone else does.
I am sad for the dog. I probably would need to be chewed on a bit before I would kill a dog but that is a personal decision based on the immediate situation. If this situation had involved a toddler or infant and a 50 lbs. dog was "dancing" nearby, this story would probably read a bit differently.
UncleDave
11-02-2016, 17:45
That is why it is not legal, or smart to have your dog off lead in a non dog park area like public land open spaces. An elerly person can be badly injured by a big dog even if friendly that is not under control. The owner is at fault on this one. I feel sorry for them, but they are responsible for the dog's death
The article is written from only one side of the story and does little to tell the other persons view.
funkymonkey1111
11-02-2016, 17:54
The article is written from only one side of the story and does little to tell the other persons view.
Exactly. They made the stupid geezer come out pretty clean.
And that you have an irrational fear doesn't mean you were in fear of your life. He could've had an irrational fear of Mexicans. Blacks. Squirrels. Doesn't mean you go around gunning them down.
Clowns like this are why and how gun owners get a bad rap. It's really that simple. It has nothing to do with being an animal lover.
SuperiorDG
11-02-2016, 17:54
I believe there are situations where shooting a dog would be warranted, but in this case I think he over-reacted. I did detect an anti-CCW slant to the story by playing on the sentiments of pet owners. I do agree that he should not be charged in the shooting because of the president it would create.
Exactly. They made the stupid geezer come out pretty clean.
And that you have an irrational fear doesn't mean you were in fear of your life. He could've had an irrational fear of Mexicans. Blacks. Squirrels. Doesn't mean you go around gunning them down.
Clowns like this are why and how gun owners get a bad rap. It's really that simple. It has nothing to do with being an animal lover.
You would need to know a lot more about the man who shot the dog before you could call any fear he had "irrational." If he felt that he was attacked by a Mexican, Blacks, or Squirrels, would he be justified in shooting? Don't answer that because it doesn't matter. Neither of us were there and he was. The dog owner was required to have her dog on a leash and under her control. She failed and the dog paid the penalty. That is a damn shame because just by reading the story she still doesn't seem to understand that she caused the situation. Somehow she doesn't understand that her dog is dead because she failed.
My Aunt was mauled by dogs when she was in her late teens. Her body is scarred all over. She has never married because of it. She has never gotten over it (45 years later). I wont fault someone for shooting an unknown dog that they feel is a threat. Maybe You Guys arent scared of dogs...good for you. That doesnt mean others arent. When a threat is coming up on you in a hurry, you react. I know this place is full of animal lovers, nothing wrong with that. Look at the situation through someones eyes that is fearfull of dogs, maybe you would do the same thing.
^^^^this
A threat is a threat...people deal with threats in accordance with their abilities. If a dog isn't trained to recall 100% of the time, it should be on leash regardless of the posting; if not, then be prepared for the consequences. The lady let her dog run free and paid the price for it; it is her fault the dog is dead.
I love dogs. I dont love people that assume their dog doesnt need a leash in public areas (unless specifically noted). This is on the owner.
One time when my dog was about that age, she ran across the street and jumped up and licked this high school kid in the face as he was walking down the street. It happened so fast he didn't even have time to react. He about pissed himself right there on the sidewalk. I apologized profusely. My dog got her ass kicked for that move and I started working with her right away to correct that behavior. I see people who bring their dogs every where. I don't bring my dog places as much as I could because I haven't put in the time to get her to act exactly as I need her to. As a result, she stays home or on a leash.
Great-Kazoo
11-02-2016, 18:44
#BLACKLABSMATTER
Exactly. They made the stupid geezer come out pretty clean.
And that you have an irrational fear doesn't mean you were in fear of your life. He could've had an irrational fear of Mexicans. Blacks. Squirrels. Doesn't mean you go around gunning them down.
Clowns like this are why and how gun owners get a bad rap. It's really that simple. It has nothing to do with being an animal lover.
No...what I am referring to is the owner claims the dog never even touched him. If the shooter were asked it might come out that not only was this "friendly, playful" dog was actually trying to bite him and that it had been growling at him and had him cornered and the owner just ignored his calls for help.
The story may be completely different if the shooter were asked.
Great-Kazoo
11-02-2016, 19:01
The story may be completely different if the shooter were asked.
But no media outlet would report.
Zundfolge
11-02-2016, 19:05
I'm probably in the minority here but if this was my dog I would have doubletapped the shooter ... this is a lab puppy, not a full grown pit bull. I agree that the dog owner is in the wrong for letting the dog off leash, but anyone that would shoot a clearly friendly dog is someone I'm going to assume is a dangerous armed threat to the public and will deal with them accordingly.
Yes I fully expect to be called all sort of nasty things by some of the pearl clutching scolds here.
I forgot to mention one more thing. My GSD was trained and spent her life (11.5yrs) doing what she was told. However, this past summer she started going deaf and can't hear much anymore. Even though she is pretty damn smart, I don't have control so I would never take her off leash. People really need to accept their animal's limitations. So many issues happen because of the "Oh my dog would never..."
I'm probably in the minority here but if this was my dog I would have doubletapped the shooter ... this is a lab puppy, not a full grown pit bull. I agree that the dog owner is in the wrong for letting the dog off leash, but anyone that would shoot a clearly friendly dog is someone I'm going to assume is a dangerous armed threat to the public and will deal with them accordingly.
Yes I fully expect to be called all sort of nasty things by some of the pearl clutching scolds here.
I would be highly emotional, but I don't think I'd shoot the old guy. I might be emotional enough that he'd shoot me though.
GilpinGuy
11-02-2016, 19:23
#BLACKLABSMATTER
Your title needs 5o be changed to Hashtag Master
Poor dog. But the owner should be in trouble for not having the dog on a leash. I feel sorry for all those involved honestly but no charges should come to the shooter.
Zundfolge
11-02-2016, 19:46
I would be highly emotional, but I don't think I'd shoot the old guy. I might be emotional enough that he'd shoot me though.
I don't want to be misunderstood here, I wouldn't shoot the guy as revenge for shooting my dog. I'd shoot him because in the heat of the moment he'd appear to be a crazed "active shooter" from my vantage point.
I don't want to be misunderstood here, I wouldn't shoot the guy as revenge for shooting my dog. I'd shoot him because in the heat of the moment he'd appear to be a crazed "active shooter" from my vantage point.
An old man with his wife who were just freaking out cus your dog was jumping at them before they acted in a defensive manner would be an active shooter in your eyes?
Bailey Guns
11-02-2016, 19:51
That is why it is not legal, or smart to have your dog off lead in a non dog park area like public land open spaces. An elerly person can be badly injured by a big dog even if friendly that is not under control. The owner is at fault on this one. I feel sorry for them, but they are responsible for the dog's death
Bingo. Sucks the dog had a stupid owner that caused it's death.
crashdown
11-02-2016, 20:08
So how many people in Colorado carry a "backpacking gun", or "camping gun" for bears and mountain lions when their chance of being attacked by either is far greater than one in a million.... that would be a lot closer to irrational in my mind when dog attacks are very common.
A loose 50lb dog, that even by this slanted story is not responding to its owners calls, and is "dancing" up on an elderly couple..... seems perfectly rational to assume that the situation could be threatening.
Every dog that bites someone the first time has never bitten anyone before.
This version of the article is edited from the last version I read with the statement by the owner saying she didn't really blame the shooter. And the statement by the agency saying the shooter felt threatened.
Sensational journalists editing a previous sensational version for a more refined drama
SideShow Bob
11-02-2016, 20:35
I don't want to be misunderstood here, I wouldn't shoot the guy as revenge for shooting my dog. I'd shoot him because in the heat of the moment he'd appear to be a crazed "active shooter" from my vantage point.
With an attitude like this, you can be assured the other prisoners will passing you around like a large box of Cracker Jacks...
I'm probably in the minority here but if this was my dog I would have doubletapped the shooter ... this is a lab puppy, not a full grown pit bull. I agree that the dog owner is in the wrong for letting the dog off leash, but anyone that would shoot a clearly friendly dog is someone I'm going to assume is a dangerous armed threat to the public and will deal with them accordingly.
Yes I fully expect to be called all sort of nasty things by some of the pearl clutching scolds here.
"lab puppy... not a full grown pit bull" I'm not sure where the relevance of breed came into this, but the story would have been just as accurate by listing it as a 50 lbs. dog.
"clearly friendly dog" based on whose perception of friendly?
"assume is a dangerous armed threat to the public" Because he put one round into a dog he believed was attacking him? You would have an interesting time explaining that to a prosecutor.
I can't imagine why you believe you will be called nasty things. Most of us take a pretty dim view of personal attacks.Please let a staff member know if you believe you are being called nasty things.
fportmen45
11-02-2016, 20:50
Exactly. They made the stupid geezer come out pretty clean.
And that you have an irrational fear doesn't mean you were in fear of your life. He could've had an irrational fear of Mexicans. Blacks. Squirrels. Doesn't mean you go around gunning them down.
Clowns like this are why and how gun owners get a bad rap. It's really that simple. It has nothing to do with being an animal lover.
Exactly.
I don't want to be misunderstood here, I wouldn't shoot the guy as revenge for shooting my dog. I'd shoot him because in the heat of the moment he'd appear to be a crazed "active shooter" from my vantage point.
There's more than one active shooter in the scenario you describe.
Assessing threat is subjective. Personal experience, abilities, vulnerabilities, time, distance, etc go in to making that judgment. I'm confident I could take 50 pounds of any kind of animal. I'm also certain someone else could've felt threatened by the same animal. If the guy honestly knew he could've and should've handled it without killing the animal then he's a piece of crap. It's not for me to make that determination though.
OldFogey
11-03-2016, 04:02
Shoot my dog, I shoot you. Simple math.
A dog would have to be pretty damned aggressive for me to consider shooting it. Especially a "dancing puppy".
Bailey Guns
11-03-2016, 06:36
Shoot my dog, I shoot you. Simple math.
So is... 25-50 year prison sentence + current age = Life Sentence.
Few people love their dogs more than I do. But you guys that are talking about shooting/killing a person who may have had a legitimate fear of a dog and therefore shot the dog seem a little irrational. Isn't it a little ironic that some of you are quick to call him an idiot gun owner with thinking like that?
UncleDave
11-03-2016, 07:14
Let's think from the position of the old couple for a moment. Old man let's say mid to late 70's, wife same age roughly. Wife has some health issues including osteoporosis, so has brittle bones and has knee or hip problems so can't move very fast. So said "dancing 50 lb puppy" knocks her down. I have seen this happen with excited pups many times usually with kids. When this old lady falls she breaks a hip or leg. With someone like that, an injury of that sort will often result in their death a short time later. So is it reasonable for the old man to fear for his wife's life in this situation when the owner could not recall the dog immediately? Even though the puppy was not overly aggressive? I would say yes. And that is coming from someone who is a lifetime dog owner of GSDs and Rottweilers, that are the most spoiled pets in existence. However, in order to protect them they obey implicitly, and immediately.
The dog was off the leash. That is the owners fault. You're sense of safety around dogs is much different from other people's. Maybe they had been attacked before and that is why the guy bought a gun? Maybe the dog was almost knocking them down it was so excited? Was it showing its teeth? If you know the answers please feel free to chime in, but until then, calling the old people out and being a bad gun owner etc is uncalled for.
but feel free to call the dogs owner a complete fucking retard. Dogs in public need to be on a leash and now this owner is trying to sensationalize everything. I hope the elderly couple sue the shit out of her for emotional distress and putting them in that situation.
In all my years reading this forum, this is probably the most suprised I have been reading peoples posts.
Yep, truly mind boggling
Shoot my dog, I shoot you. Simple math.
Taking a human life because you didn't follow the rules and didn't have your own dog on a leash...yet that is someone else's problem and now they should die for it? That is the situation that happened here. You feel comfortable saying you would have shot the old man? What about his deranged accomplice wife? What's that math look like?
If you are afraid of domesticated animals don't go outside your house. They exsist. It amazes me when Cops or anyone shoots a dog in self defense when the dog wasn't doing anything overtly aggressive. Puppies like to play rough. If your getting backed into a corner by an aggressive animal? Sure. A mangy or rabid looking mutt. Sure. Dog is actually attacking you, baring it's fangs, and something big enough to kill you? Sure. But a 50 lb lab on a trail that allows dogs? Stop being such a pansie. Maybe that's because I grew up around Farm dogs, Great Danes, Rottweilers, Labs, Collies, and Shepherds. Granted I wasn't there and the story is lopsided but I've been around skittish, scared people and I can't respect that attitude.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
If you are afraid of domesticated animals don't go outside your house. They exsist. It amazes me when Cops or anyone shoots a dog in self defense when the dog wasn't doing anything overtly aggressive. Puppies like to play rough. If your getting backed into a corner by an aggressive animal? Sure. A mangy or rabid looking mutt. Sure. Dog is actually attacking you, baring it's fangs, and something big enough to kill you? Sure. But a 50 lb lab on a trail that allows dogs? Stop being such a pansie. Maybe that's because I grew up around Farm dogs, Great Danes, Rottweilers, Labs, Collies, and Shepherds. Granted I wasn't there and the story is lopsided but I've been around skittish, scared people and I can't respect that attitude.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
This is the way I feel, but haven't been able to phrase it well so far because the other side of the interaction is still true regarding not having your dog off leash if you can't control it.
Scanker19
11-03-2016, 08:30
In all my years reading this forum, this is probably the most suprised I have been reading peoples posts.
You can say that again.
you guys sound like every dead thugs mother. My baby didnt do nothing. he wasnt going to hurt anyone. here is his picture from junior high school, doesnt he look sweet? My baby would never hurt anyone, he just plays rough.
I would rather side with Mans best friend on this one than your average city dwelling thug, or wanna be.
#BlackLabsMatter. [emoji6]
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Martinjmpr
11-03-2016, 08:48
Wait...the title of this post says the shooting took place in an off-leash dog park. So did it or didn't it? Seems to me that's a critical element of the issue of fault.
If the area where this took place was designated for off leash dogs then the shooter should have anticipated that there might be, y'know, off leash dogs there. And if the shooter was deathly afraid of dogs then maybe that's not a good place to walk? I mean, that's like walking through the National Forest in deer season dressed in buck skins and then shooting some hunter because "He was pointing a gun at me!"
OTOH, if this was NOT a designated off-leash area then sorry, it's on the dog owner. Wife was attacked by a 100lb Newfoundland about 11 years ago and she still gets nervous when other people have their dogs off a leash (and we love dogs.) I've been disgusted at the reactions of other dog owners who let their dogs run free in public areas (like campgrounds) in clear violation of the rules (and common sense) and then just shrug it off and say "oh, he's a big baby, he wouldn't hurt anybody."
Yeah, well, the newfie that left huge fang marks and permanent tissue damage on my wife's leg was like that, too, right up until he attacked her while she was riding her bike on a public bike trail.
Looks like we have a lot of VERY irresponsible dog (and gun) owners around here. Your dog comes at me and I cannot tell if it is being friendly then I will defend myself as I see appropriately. You then pull a gun to defend your offensive pet then I will defend myself against you as I see appropriately. I won't like any of it but you are solely responsible for instigating and escalating the situation. Keep your pet under your control.
Regarding police shooting pets...that is an entirely different subject. Different rules.
Wait...the title of this post says the shooting took place in an off-leash dog park. So did it or didn't it? Seems to me that's a critical element of the issue of fault.
The title says the dog was being walked off leash...in a park. Not that the park was an off leash park.
"CCW Holder Shoots off leash Dog in Park"
And specifically the article does not mention that she was doing this legally.
In 2015 there were a total of 200,000 attacks on humans by Dogs of all types, both wild and pets.
Dogs killed 34 people in the U.S.
82% of those killed were by Pit Bulls.
According to FBI statistics for the same year there were 376.2 violent crimes committed by Humans for every 100,000 persons in the U.S.
With a total of at least 15,696 Humans killed by other Humans in 2015.
I'm not afraid of being killed by a Dog, I'm afraid of being killed or seriously injured by a lesser breed.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
I don't think there is a court of law in this country that would side with the dog owner in this case...
The deciding factor:
The Dog was OFF LEASH!!!!!
I'd almost bet that the people in this thread that are pissed off at the shooter would be the first to defend a Pitbull attack and say "Blame the owner not the dog!"
Great-Kazoo
11-03-2016, 09:03
The bottom line is............The person perceived BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT he / they were in danger. End of story. Thug, person in car, dog, cat, parakeet. It's what's going through the persons mind at the time this happened
To one person a 50lb dog is cute & cuddly. To another who may have serious health issues, been attacked by a dog before . It (at said time) constitutes a threat.
What happens next is up to investigators.
Martinjmpr
11-03-2016, 09:03
The title says the dog was being walked off leash...in a park. Not that the park was an off leash park.
"CCW Holder Shoots off leash Dog in Park"
And specifically the article does not mention that she was doing this legally.
Ah, got it. I read the headline incorrectly.
Still it was odd that the article made no mention of whether it was legal for the dog to be off-leash. My guess would be no, and the dog's owner may have conveniently left that out of the story.
When someone has their dog off a leash in violation of the law and the dog runs into the street and gets killed by a car, do we get angry at the car driver? :rolleyes:
beast556
11-03-2016, 09:04
In all my years reading this forum, this is probably the most suprised I have been reading peoples posts.
Im in disbelief of what I was seeing also. Taking some one life because you are irresponsible with your animal. I hope all of you that will kill some one, please dont walk your dogs with out a leash.
newracer
11-03-2016, 09:05
Dogs must be on a leash and under the owners control in that park.
OldFogey
11-03-2016, 09:08
So is... 25-50 year prison sentence + current age = Life Sentence.
Few people love their dogs more than I do. But you guys that are talking about shooting/killing a person who may have had a legitimate fear of a dog and therefore shot the dog seem a little irrational. Isn't it a little ironic that some of you are quick to call him an idiot gun owner with thinking like that?
Never said I wouldn't pay a price for it. I just think I would have definitely lost it in this situation. I don't carry, so he probably would have used the rest of his ammo on me. All that aside, my dog is always leashed when off property because I realize that we do live amongst many fearful bedwetters. Plus - if a 50 pound lab puppy instills that much abject terror where you fear for your life, perhaps you would be better off staying indoors. Try a little agoraphobia.
vectorsc
11-03-2016, 09:58
I love my dog immensely - but if she ever attacked someone and hurt them I would shoot her myself. As for this old guy shooting the lady's dog for being in his face in a way that could be construed a threat, I'm not going to say anything about it good or bad.
Its a full sized dog that has EVERY capability of killing a human and a very real possibility that it might do so. Many people that have a fear of dogs have that fear because they have had an attack occur or witnessed one. They learned from their mistake of blindly trusting a dog the hard way.
you guys sound like every dead thugs mother. My baby didnt do nothing. he wasnt going to hurt anyone. here is his picture from junior high school, doesnt he look sweet? My baby would never hurt anyone, he just plays rough.
NFATrustGuy
11-03-2016, 10:05
I've got a scar on my right hand from when I was a kid and a small terrier attacked me. No big deal to me, but Doctor friends told me years later that I had probably come close to losing any use of my pinky finger due to tendon damage.
My cousin was attacked by a small 40-ish pound dog when she was riding a scooter as a little girl. She's got a huge scar across her face now after multiple surgeries.
I like dogs just fine, but if a dog comes at me off leash and uncontrolled, I perceive it as a serious threat. Don't fucking tell ME to stay in my house because YOU refuse to control your dog.
Unbelievable.
I've got a scar on my right hand from when I was a kid and a small terrier attacked me. No big deal to me, but Doctor friends told me years later that I had probably come close to losing any use of my pinky finger due to tendon damage.
My cousin was attacked by a small 40-ish pound dog when she was riding a scooter as a little girl. She's got a huge scar across her face now after multiple surgeries.
I like dogs just fine, but if a dog comes at me off leash and uncontrolled, I perceive it as a serious threat. Don't fucking tell ME to stay in my house because YOU refuse to control your dog.
Unbelievable.
Many of you have this stance, and I'm positive that every single person on here has had an unleashed dog run up to them at some point in their life. But how many of you have actually shot a dog in that situation? Probably none of you, because you were able to quickly read the situation. That actually works in favor of the man, if we assume that he didn't arrive at "old age" without understanding a thing or two about the world.
We have a member on here who shot and killed a dog, at a dog park, without getting into trouble for it. Anyone else remember that?
Many of you have this stance, and I'm positive that every single person on here has had an unleashed dog run up to them at some point in their life. But how many of you have actually shot a dog in that situation? Probably none of you, because you were able to quickly read the situation. That actually works in favor of the man, if we assume that he didn't arrive at "old age" without understanding a thing or two about the world.
We have a member on here who shot and killed a dog, at a dog park, without getting into trouble for it. Anyone else remember that?
This is why I suspect there is more to this story than just a playful dog wanting a friend.
In all my years reading this forum, this is probably the most suprised I have been reading peoples posts.
I'm never shocked reading this place anymore.. baffles.
StagLefty
11-03-2016, 11:15
I'm never shocked reading this place anymore.. baffles.
Sign of the times methinks !!!
Media has taken over your brains.
Sensationalizing various animal attacks and passing more laws that create more issues. Has made the USA a strange place.
http://youtu.be/Sol14ZRPPrs
...too soon?
This is why leash laws exist.
Lots of quick judgement in this thread based on an obviously biased 'reporting' of a situation where no charges were filed. Sure glad nobody uses such tactics against those in this thread so maybe they wouldn't be so quick to rush to judgement.
Dogs must be on a leash and under the owners control in that park.
Correct.
https://www.novaparks.com/sites/default/files/NVRPARegulations.pdf§1.05 Domestic Animals
A. Cages and Leashes
. No person shall have in his or her custody within a park any animal,
other than a horse, that is not either caged or on a leash and under the person’s control;
except that a dog may be under the direct supervision of its owner or their agent without a
cage or a leash in an area designated as an off-leash dog exercise area. (See §1.05 (B)
Horses below for horses.)
Scanker19
11-03-2016, 21:53
Correct.
https://www.novaparks.com/sites/default/files/NVRPARegulations.pdf§1.05 Domestic Animals
A. Cages and Leashes
. No person shall have in his or her custody within a park any animal,
other than a horse, that is not either caged or on a leash and under the person’s control;
except that a dog may be under the direct supervision of its owner or their agent without a
cage or a leash in an area designated as an off-leash dog exercise area. (See §1.05 (B)
Horses below for horses.)
Those laws only apply to bad dog-owners.... he said with great sarcasm.
This just happened to a friend of mine's dog. Sad stuff.
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KevDen2005
03-02-2017, 09:58
Since this just popped up again I guess I will comment. I go to dog calls all the time. People claim their dogs would have never attacked anyone even though someone's small dog had been mauled or someone got bit, or someone got knocked down. I'm not saying that every dog off leash or jumps a fence is vicious, but dog owners (including me) tend to never think their dog could be vicious. Everyone has a dog and they all growl and put their heads down and stare at us when we walk in and the owner always says, "Oh he's really nice." I tell people all the time, dogs do no like uniforms, please put your dog somewhere else. I started adding, I am not going to get bit to the end of that phrase in recent years because that usually ends any potential argument. All this just to say, that dogs can be vicious even though owners may not think so.
By the way, it's like the picture they used for the dog is like the Trayvonn Martin picture....look how sweet this dog is, right? ( I didn't read every post to find out if anyone mentioned that already).
hurley842002
03-02-2017, 10:11
This just happened to a friend of mine's dog. Sad stuff.
69412
Sad that the dog owners were unable to adequately keep their dog corralled, and assumed he would never attack anyone.
It'a a sad situation all the way around. I've been attacked by a dog, the speed at which the attack occurred was incredible, almost no time to react.
Last year, a friend of mine was seriously injured by a dog. The dog did not attack, but the dog's approach and actions caused her to fall, resulting in a broken wrist.
Sometimes it's hard to predict what will happen when faced with a sudden situation and very little time to react or respond.
This just happened to a friend of mine's dog. Sad stuff.
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Sounds like this one that made the news. http://www.9news.com/news/local/dog-fatally-shot-in-parker/419550871
Too bad it wasn't a cat. Then no problem.
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Yeah, good luck taking a cat for a walk off leash.
funkymonkey1111
03-13-2017, 21:08
Yeah, good luck taking a cat for a walk off leash.
doesn't matter to a cool guy like RussDXT
Grant H.
03-13-2017, 22:29
Yeah, good luck taking a cat for a walk off leash.
Ha, good luck taking a cat for a walk. On leash, off leash, it doesn't matter...
On leash, you're just taking your cat for a drag...
Aloha_Shooter
03-14-2017, 06:49
In the OP, even by the dog owner's account, the guy told her to call her dog and gave it 10 seconds before he shot. 10 seconds is a LONG ass time when you have a dog charging you. I love labs and puppies but the owner had no business taking a dog that wouldn't heel on verbal command off-leash. It's pure anti-gun pro-puppy emotionalism no different from how the media portrayed Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown (except the puppy wasn't a thug).
As far as RussDXT, Gman, and Grant H go, good luck just getting the leash on the cat in the first place.
In the OP, even by the dog owner's account, the guy told her to call her dog and gave it 10 seconds before he shot. 10 seconds is a LONG ass time when you have a dog charging you. I love labs and puppies but the owner had no business taking a dog that wouldn't heel on verbal command off-leash. It's pure anti-gun pro-puppy emotionalism no different from how the media portrayed Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown (except the puppy wasn't a thug).
As far as RussDXT, Gman, and Grant H go, good luck just getting the leash on the cat in the first place.
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10 seconds of a dog encounter is about 8 more seconds than it takes to figure out if its a dog attack or not.
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