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Holy crap, HE WON!!!!! [Coffee]
Yeah, heard the television in the other room talking about Hillary finally calling him.
Holy crap indeed.
Now that that prayer is answered it is time to pray for the new President and those who advise him.
Did she call to concede and cut a deal? I can't see her quitting it unless she knew PA went Trump, or she conceded on the ground of avoiding prosecution.
Someone has a late night tonight at that magazine that shipped out that Madam President publication.
So I guess we won't have Rosie O'Donnel, Al Sharpton, Alec Baldwin and a whole slew of other loud-mouthed liberal douchebags to deal with anymore?
I mean, they vowed to leave if DJT won, right. I mean, they wouldn't lie, or go back on their word, right?
I wish I was on Twitter right now.
Someone has a late night tonight at that magazine that shipped out that Madam President publication.
Good one. [mop][gohome]
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2016, 02:43
Someone has a late night tonight at that magazine that shipped out that Madam President publication.
DEWEY WINS!
I wish I was on Twitter right now.
Wonder what's happening, nextdoor [Beer]
Chief_of_Scouts
11-09-2016, 05:24
Let's clean up our state now.
Trump needs a pro-constitution Supreme Court Justice.
Futures are still negative but only -300 instead of -700 last night.
Aloha_Shooter
11-09-2016, 06:43
She conceded because she knew they couldn't fake enough votes in FL and PA to overturn the results. I'd like to see Trump nominate Cruz for SCOTUS, I hope none of his nominees turn out like Breyer or Kennedy or Souter or Stevens or Burger. Now ... how do we get rid of the trash in Colorado?
Does this mean the SCOTUS is going to crap? Are we losing the affordable care act, aka obamacare, aka hillarycare? And what about those scary black guns? I saw some lib tweets calling for a revolution. Libs rioting!
Not certain I want all this change and disruption in my life. Can we please have a recount? Maybe a do-over? Is there a safe space I can crawl into? Something went terribly wrong here!
Does this mean the SCOTUS is going to crap? Are we losing the affordable care act, aka obamacare, aka hillarycare? And what about those scary black guns? I saw some lib tweets calling for a revolution. Libs rioting!
Not certain I want all this change and disruption in my life. Can we please have a recount? Maybe a do-over? Is there a safe space I can crawl into? Something went terribly wrong here!
[LOL][Beer]
I hope those bastards throw a riot, it would provide a legal opportunity to eliminate a whole bunch of sub-humans.
JohnnyDrama
11-09-2016, 07:15
Does this mean the SCOTUS is going to crap? Are we losing the affordable care act, aka obamacare, aka hillarycare? And what about those scary black guns? I saw some lib tweets calling for a revolution. Libs rioting!
Not certain I want all this change and disruption in my life. Can we please have a recount? Maybe a do-over? Is there a safe space I can crawl into? Something went terribly wrong here!
I reckon there will be many of my co-workers hunkered down in their safe places today.
I reckon there will be many of my co-workers hunkered down in their safe places today.
You should be able to get a lot done!
Love my FB feed, all those morning likes from my liberal friends are so quiet. At least they know when to keep their mouths shut
Should be interesting. When was the last time we had presidency, senate, and house?
I am worried whenever any party has control of both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. The government, regardless of who is in power, is not your friend.
First order of business should be decreasing the size of the federal government, IMO.
thvigil11
11-09-2016, 08:28
Here's the thing, come January, they will start reporting the true unemployment figures. The news will start showing the foreign casualty figures every night. Now less than 3% GDP is going to be a bad thing. Basically everything that they have been whitewashing for the last 8 years. Everything that they have said was not Obongo's fault or beyond his control. All of it, they will unload onto Trump and his administration. Come January, they will begin telling us all how bad this country truly is, and then some and Trump will own it all.
Plus you know that asshat will be on the news every night talking smack about how "when I was president "
Can I go pick up my machine gun yet?
GilpinGuy
11-09-2016, 09:40
Should be interesting. When was the last time we had presidency, senate, and house?
I thought Rove said it was in 1928 last night.
It's just a slightly better lying narcissistic piece of crap than the other.
I am surprised though.
Holy crap!!
[shithitsfan][Coffee]
Saw this last night. Too bad the message is coming from the village idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc
The Democrats have no one to blame for Trump's win other than themselves. Their party was outed as being rife with corruption and cronyism during the primary process, in which they shut out Bernie Sanders with any number of dirty tactics, while favoring a dishonest, disingenuous, and corrupt establishment candidate that left their base apathetic at best, disgusted and disappointed at worst. The Republicans, on the other hand, failed to put forward a mainstream candidate that had the charisma to defeat Trump in the primaries, allowing Trump to hijack their party and grab the nomination, because although he was brash and said all the wrong things at the wrong time, he came across as someone unafraid of bucking the corrupt system, unafraid of acknowledging the elephant in the room, and not bowing to the constraints of political correctness. This election is not about people liking Trump more than Clinton, it's about the people disliking Hillary and the corruption of both major political parties more than they dislike Trump.
The Democrats have no one to blame for Trump's win other than themselves. Their party was outed as being rife with corruption and cronyism during the primary process, in which they shut out Bernie Sanders with any number of dirty tactics, while favoring a dishonest, disingenuous, and corrupt establishment candidate that left their base apathetic at best, disgusted and disappointed at worst. The Republicans, on the other hand, failed to put forward a mainstream candidate that had the charisma to defeat Trump in the primaries, allowing Trump to hijack their party and grab the nomination, because although he was brash and said all the wrong things at the wrong time, he came across as someone unafraid of bucking the corrupt system, unafraid of acknowledging the elephant in the room, and not bowing to the constraints of political correctness. This election is not about people liking Trump more than Clinton, it's about the people disliking Hillary and the corruption of both major political parties more than they dislike Trump.
Yup. When I see someone crying, I tell them to blame the DNC for meddling with the primaries.
Can I go pick up my machine gun yet?
Spendy!
I'd settle for a paper-free SBR and maybe a suppressor.
Shit, could you imagine how good it would feel to just buy a 30 round mag online?
thvigil11
11-09-2016, 11:31
Spendy!
I'd settle for a paper-free SBR and maybe a suppressor.
Shit, could you imagine how good it would feel to just buy a 30 round mag online?
I'd even be down with treating suppressors like firearms, quick NCIC and walk out the door.
I'd even be down with treating suppressors like firearms, quick NCIC and walk out the door.
Doesn't sound bad either, but the ATF says the only controlled part is the serialized part. Everything else is just a piece of metal/plastic.
Should be interesting. When was the last time we had presidency, senate, and house?
According to Karl Rove, Republicans last held all branches of the government in 1929.
ipleadda2nd
11-09-2016, 11:52
I am worried whenever any party has control of both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. The government, regardless of who is in power, is not your friend.
First order of business should be decreasing the size of the federal government, IMO.
Spot on.
I hope it evolves into a benevolent dictatorship
Martinjmpr
11-09-2016, 11:59
I told ya so.
[Coffee]
You did indeed. [not-worthy]
And I was 100% wrong in thinking Trump didn't stand a chance.[Beer]
Martinjmpr
11-09-2016, 12:01
According to Karl Rove, Republicans last held all branches of the government in 1929.
I thought Rove said it was in 1928 last night.
Ummm...when W was in the white house the R's controlled the house and senate from 2002 - 2006 IIRC.
I told ya so.
[Coffee]
You are a man of faith, Davsel!
[Beer]
I'd even be down with treating suppressors like firearms, quick NCIC and walk out the door.
One of my many pet peeves; Why do I need permission and to pay a special tax to make my firearm quieter?If vehicle owners were required to under go the same process to own and install mufflers on their vehicle the roads would be much louder.Suppressor regulation in the USA is a good example of poor government policy that results in unnecessary restrictions on free citizens.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f60fb6e1aa70eb3a1f6dd76039d536dfb92a3fa254b33cebe1 aace97b1344c5e.gif
Was thoroughly prepared for Donald J Trump to lose last night. What a pleasant surprise!
LOL @ myself for thinking anyone can stump the Trump.
Currently at work basking in liberal depression.
I hope it evolves into a benevolent dictatorship
Oh go to your safe space.
Oh go to your safe space.
Perhaps you misunderstand me. I want the boot of good on the fetid neck of American liberalism.
One of my many pet peeves; Why do I need permission and to pay a special tax to make my firearm quieter?
Because the government needs money?
Let's clean up our state now.
see
post #13 and #14. One can only hope.
Because the government needs money?
... to push all that paper...
Can you just imagine the cost savings if the BATF didn't have to? That'll bake your noodle.
ACE2GOOD
11-09-2016, 13:56
Tons of liberal depression here in Boulder where I work onsite too. Eerily quiet this morning and no one looking at each other or talking about anything. Usually an open office and lots of visiting and nothing. I have been walking around the halls in all smiles this morning!
Tons of liberal depression here in Boulder where I work onsite too. Eerily quiet this morning and no one looking at each other or talking about anything. Usually an open office and lots of visiting and nothing. I have been walking around the halls in all smiles this morning!
You know that scene in Unbreakable where Bruce Willis is walking around the stadium with his arms outstretched and lightly touching people to look for the bad guy? I want to walk down the aisles of my old office like that to absorb everyone's butthurt.
https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/cw03wffveaa2efm.jpg?w=500&h=543
On another forum I read, someone wrote:
Did anyone notice how, leading up to the obvious truth (that Trump was going to win), CNN (and I assume other outlets) when showing footage from Trump HQ was just showing 18-55 year old white guys in hats and beards?
Then, as soon as CNN realized they couldn't keep what was happening a "secret" any longer, every other shot of Trump HQ had a bunch of black dudes and they made sure to throw in a few crying young women.
Amazing how the demographic changes according to the reality, isn't it?
Don't have TV, so cannot confirm. But sounds right.
SamuraiCO
11-09-2016, 16:09
I'd even be down with treating suppressors like firearms, quick NCIC and walk out the door.
With the check box for quick TSA security. Hell the background checks should be universal for all Gov entities...right?
SamuraiCO
11-09-2016, 16:17
I want his SCOTUS appointment to make Chuck-U Schumer run to the mic so fast he pulls a hammie.
Things which would be great (and would involve multiple branches):
* Repeal and shitcan NAFTA -- stop the subsidies to the corn farmers for ruining my friggin gasoline; make them actually farm again, instead of planting crops destined to fail and getting paid more for failure; institute a guest worker program for Mexicans and whomever else wants to pick strawberries. Commie Cesar Chavez got the Bracero program nixed and it contributed to the present immigration problems, in conjunction with NAFTA ruining Mexican farming.
* Obamacare -- overturn; break up the insurance scam which rigs prices so high
* A hard and fast federal stance guaranteeing NO violation of the 2nd amendment in any form (repeal of NFA, 1968, tell states who wish to violate this to stuff it)
* Overthrow of Roe v Wade and guarantee a personhood amendment in Constitution to protect the unborn in ALL cases
* increase tariffs, decrease taxation of workers
* Dissolution of the Dept of Education with a return to sensible educational programs at the state and local level
* Banning liberal programs and anyone who touts them is immediately imprisoned as an enemy of the state
* Crush the unions and only let them reconvene if they engage in just, collective bargaining, safety, training, etc. NO political activity and no retribution for dissenting members.
* Overthrow the Johnson Amendment
* Overthrow the recognition of marriage as anything other than a union between one man and one woman (and really, the state shouldn't be involved in this function anyway)
* Enforce on-the-books sodomy laws
* Federally provided rifles, ammo, and training a la Switzerland; funds allocated to states to stand up their militias -- reduce standing military to a force able to conduct first strike expeditionary operations w/ enough time to train people up for a draft.
I'd go on, but I'm getting too excited at the prospects of America being a moral, hard charging nation again. I'll likely be disappointed.
Martinjmpr
11-09-2016, 16:41
Does anyone else think that some of Hillary's ads actually backfired? I was talking about this with the wife this morning. I'm talking about the ones where they just played quotes of Trump saying "outrageous" things.
I think in the mind of Hillary supporters they were thinking "why would anybody want a president who talks like this?"
But I think a lot of otherwise apolitical Americans were thinking "You know, I'm sick and tired of mealy-mouthed politicians who always sound so slick and polished and who don't say what they mean. Maybe we NEED a president who will tell someone to "go f**k yourself!"
And of course since most of Trump's anger has been directed at the press, the public responded to this, too.
Martinjmpr
11-09-2016, 16:43
Things which would be great (and would involve multiple branches):
* Repeal and shitcan NAFTA -- stop the subsidies to the corn farmers for ruining my friggin gasoline; make them actually farm again, instead of planting crops destined to fail and getting paid more for failure; institute a guest worker program for Mexicans and whomever else wants to pick strawberries. Commie Cesar Chavez got the Bracero program nixed and it contributed to the present immigration problems, in conjunction with NAFTA ruining Mexican farming.
* Obamacare -- overturn; break up the insurance scam which rigs prices so high
* A hard and fast federal stance guaranteeing NO violation of the 2nd amendment in any form (repeal of NFA, 1968, tell states who wish to violate this to stuff it)
* Overthrow of Roe v Wade and guarantee a personhood amendment in Constitution to protect the unborn in ALL cases
* increase tariffs, decrease taxation of workers
* Dissolution of the Dept of Education with a return to sensible educational programs at the state and local level
* Banning liberal programs and anyone who touts them is immediately imprisoned as an enemy of the state
* Crush the unions and only let them reconvene if they engage in just, collective bargaining, safety, training, etc. NO political activity and no retribution for dissenting members.
* Overthrow the Johnson Amendment
* Overthrow the recognition of marriage as anything other than a union between one man and one woman (and really, the state shouldn't be involved in this function anyway)
* Enforce on-the-books sodomy laws
* Federally provided rifles, ammo, and training a la Switzerland; funds allocated to states to stand up their militias -- reduce standing military to a force able to conduct first strike expeditionary operations w/ enough time to train people up for a draft.
I'd go on, but I'm getting too excited at the prospects of America being a moral, hard charging nation again. I'll likely be disappointed.
You forgot a unicorn in every backyard and a perpetual motion machine in every garage. ;)
Things which would be great (and would involve multiple branches):
* Repeal and shitcan NAFTA -- stop the subsidies to the corn farmers for ruining my friggin gasoline; make them actually farm again, instead of planting crops destined to fail and getting paid more for failure; institute a guest worker program for Mexicans and whomever else wants to pick strawberries. Commie Cesar Chavez got the Bracero program nixed and it contributed to the present immigration problems, in conjunction with NAFTA ruining Mexican farming.
* Obamacare -- overturn; break up the insurance scam which rigs prices so high
* A hard and fast federal stance guaranteeing NO violation of the 2nd amendment in any form (repeal of NFA, 1968, tell states who wish to violate this to stuff it)
* Overthrow of Roe v Wade and guarantee a personhood amendment in Constitution to protect the unborn in ALL cases
* increase tariffs, decrease taxation of workers
* Dissolution of the Dept of Education with a return to sensible educational programs at the state and local level
* Banning liberal programs and anyone who touts them is immediately imprisoned as an enemy of the state
* Crush the unions and only let them reconvene if they engage in just, collective bargaining, safety, training, etc. NO political activity and no retribution for dissenting members.
* Overthrow the Johnson Amendment
* Overthrow the recognition of marriage as anything other than a union between one man and one woman (and really, the state shouldn't be involved in this function anyway)
* Enforce on-the-books sodomy laws
* Federally provided rifles, ammo, and training a la Switzerland; funds allocated to states to stand up their militias -- reduce standing military to a force able to conduct first strike expeditionary operations w/ enough time to train people up for a draft.
I'd go on, but I'm getting too excited at the prospects of America being a moral, hard charging nation again. I'll likely be disappointed.
Interesting list of things that you feel affect you, or the country.
Zundfolge
11-09-2016, 17:30
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/09/five-fast-gun-law-reforms-president-trump-will-make/
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-09-2016, 17:45
So does this mean the apprentice is canceled?
So does this mean the apprentice is canceled?
Hillary, You're fired.
So does this mean the apprentice is canceled?
No, it just got real.
JohnnyDrama
11-09-2016, 18:53
You should be able to get a lot done!
Out in the field this week doing some survey work. We covered over eleven miles. Not a bad day.
Tons of liberal depression here in Boulder where I work onsite too. Eerily quiet this morning and no one looking at each other or talking about anything. Usually an open office and lots of visiting and nothing. I have been walking around the halls in all smiles this morning!
One of the crew guys called his wife at the office. She said going into work was like going to a funeral.
Things which would be great (and would involve multiple branches):
1. Banning liberal programs and anyone who touts them is immediately imprisoned as an enemy of the state
2. Enforce on-the-books sodomy laws
*
You had me until these two.
1. That sounds American as all get out!
2. What exactly do you have against BJ's?
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Things which would be great (and would involve multiple branches):
* Repeal and shitcan NAFTA -- stop the subsidies to the corn farmers for ruining my friggin gasoline; make them actually farm again, instead of planting crops destined to fail and getting paid more for failure; institute a guest worker program for Mexicans and whomever else wants to pick strawberries. Commie Cesar Chavez got the Bracero program nixed and it contributed to the present immigration problems, in conjunction with NAFTA ruining Mexican farming.
* Obamacare -- overturn; break up the insurance scam which rigs prices so high
* A hard and fast federal stance guaranteeing NO violation of the 2nd amendment in any form (repeal of NFA, 1968, tell states who wish to violate this to stuff it)
* Overthrow of Roe v Wade and guarantee a personhood amendment in Constitution to protect the unborn in ALL cases
* increase tariffs, decrease taxation of workers
* Dissolution of the Dept of Education with a return to sensible educational programs at the state and local level
* Banning liberal programs and anyone who touts them is immediately imprisoned as an enemy of the state
* Crush the unions and only let them reconvene if they engage in just, collective bargaining, safety, training, etc. NO political activity and no retribution for dissenting members.
* Overthrow the Johnson Amendment
* Overthrow the recognition of marriage as anything other than a union between one man and one woman (and really, the state shouldn't be involved in this function anyway)
* Enforce on-the-books sodomy laws
* Federally provided rifles, ammo, and training a la Switzerland; funds allocated to states to stand up their militias -- reduce standing military to a force able to conduct first strike expeditionary operations w/ enough time to train people up for a draft.
I'd go on, but I'm getting too excited at the prospects of America being a moral, hard charging nation again. I'll likely be disappointed.
I agree with a lot of this, but some of it just makes me go "Wow".
Nothing I said would shock our great grandparents (or great great grandparents if you're around 18) or be seen as unAmerican by their generation. The cultural Marxist rot is deep, friends.
gnihcraes
11-09-2016, 20:48
Out in the field this week doing some survey work. We covered over eleven miles. Not a bad day.
One of the crew guys called his wife at the office. She said going into work was like going to a funeral.
very much the same where I work - nearly all liberal democrats shoving it in your face for months. Now, silence and a few groups of women huddling and crying and sobbing. One super liberal person I stopped to check on, wouldn't even make eye contact or say much of anything, just that she had no eye makeup on because she had been crying too much. WTF people?
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2016, 21:15
very much the same where I work - nearly all liberal democrats shoving it in your face for months. Now, silence and a few groups of women huddling and crying and sobbing. One super liberal person I stopped to check on, wouldn't even make eye contact or say much of anything, just that she had no eye makeup on because she had been crying too much. WTF people?
Keep an eye on this situation for you and everyone else who works with entitlement minded folks. I suspect they will start pulling hostile workplace claims, to (SURPRISE) get free shit. Like an early retirement check.
Zundfolge
11-09-2016, 21:18
Nothing I said would shock our great grandparents (or great great grandparents if you're around 18) or be seen as unAmerican by their generation. The cultural Marxist rot is deep, friends.
QFT
Nothing I said would shock our great grandparents (or great great grandparents if you're around 18) or be seen as unAmerican by their generation. The cultural Marxist rot is deep, friends.
Yeah guys, get with the program. We've known for a long time that the very root of all the problems in America stem from sodomy, marriage, and education.
I love history as a general rule. I wouldn't wish most of it to be repeated for anything. Lots of things my great grandparents stood for were wonderful and empowering. Many of the things that were done during their time were truly awful and I am extremely happy we have moved on from those days.
One example and I will leave it there. Marriage has always had a civil and religious facet. When the state recognizes a standard approved religion then marriage in both facets can be defined and regulated consistently. Due to our Constitution, there must be two separate aspects for the regulation of marriage for anyone who considers themselves to be religious. The government defines and regulates marriage including what a marriage is, when it begins, and how it may be dissolved. If you want the state and it's laws to recognize and govern your marriage then you submit to the state's definition of marriage. If you want a religious marriage, go find a religious institution to perform the ceremony and forgo all of the legal benefits and responsibilities of a licensed marriage.
Aloha_Shooter
11-09-2016, 22:29
One of my many pet peeves; Why do I need permission and to pay a special tax to make my firearm quieter?If vehicle owners were required to under go the same process to own and install mufflers on their vehicle the roads would be much louder.Suppressor regulation in the USA is a good example of poor government policy that results in unnecessary restrictions on free citizens.
Exactly. Every other hobby encourages the participant to be be quieter, use mufflers, etc. I keep telling people suppressors should be required for health and safety ...
I'm watching the news and people are burning the flag in protest that Trump was elected fairly?? WTF?! What happened to the will of the people?? I know it's their constitutional right but SMH. Somehow I doubt we'd be seeing this kind of behavior if Clinton had won. Maybe that's the problem?
I guess I'm confused here. I know that my Great Nana Sanger has some wonderful ideas about how to keep certain undesirable races in check through sterilization; and Pap Pap Mengele conducted some fascinating experiments on the pain tolerance of twins. I can't tell if those ideas were empowering or should be moved on from. Can someone help me out? I mean, politics and generational popular beliefs are pretty black and white, either good or bad, right?
I guess I'm confused here. I know that my Great Nana Sanger has some wonderful ideas about how to keep certain undesirable races in check through sterilization; and Pap Pap Mengele conducted some fascinating experiments on the pain tolerance of twins. I can't tell if those ideas were empowering or should be moved on from. Can someone help me out? I mean, politics and generational popular beliefs are pretty black and white, either good or bad, right?
I'm throwing the BS flag on you [bulls]
No way you had a Great Nana named Margaret and a Pap Pap named Josef.
Any one watching these protests?
I'm throwing the BS flag on you [bulls]
No way you had a Great Nana named Margaret and a Pap Pap named Josef.
I think the song they played at their wedding was Jack and Diane. Really down to earth people will wholesome conservative values.
Any one watching these protests?
I'm protesting the protests (that I didn't know about until just now).
One protestor just said "Blood will be shed. There will be casualties on both sides because people need to die to make changes.".
Yikes.
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-09-2016, 22:44
One protestor just said "Blood will be shed. There will be casualties on both sides because people need to die to make changes.".
Yikes.
Yeah...ok. We'll see.
Nothing I said would shock our great grandparents (or great great grandparents if you're around 18) or be seen as unAmerican by their generation. The cultural Marxist rot is deep, friends.
There are a great many things that our collective grand and
great grand parents would not be shocked by, and would outright support. That should not be the bar we set for current political policies.
Let's not forget we got where we are today, both good and the bad, politically in many ways BECAUSE of our predecessors.
Banning liberal ideologies and condemning them to be political prisoners and "enemies of the state" does not seem to me to be anything near the values that this country was founded on, nor the values that countless people have fought and died to preserve. Are many liberal policies and ideals potentially dangerous? Sure. But that's why we vote the bastards out and showcase why our ideals and policies are superior in every way, not round people up and imprison them because we disagree with each other.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Circuits
11-09-2016, 23:09
There are a great many things that our collective grand and great grand parents would not be shocked by, and would outright support. That should not be the bar we set for current political policies.
Agreed. However, banning malicious, continuing conduct, and of course, outright sedition should always be amongst the conducts we abhor and detest and decry and fulminously repudiate.
Everybody remembers the huge violent protests when Obama won in 2008, right?
Yeah, I don't either...buncha whiny fuxtix...
One protestor just said "Blood will be shed. There will be casualties on both sides because people need to die to make changes.".
Yikes.
"Sure, sure" I muttered, as I carried box two filled with 2200 projectiles into the basement.
[emoji1]
and of course, outright sedition should always be amongst the conducts we abhor and detest and decry and fulminously repudiate.
Yeah, because the government will always be a legitimate and humble servant of the people, right? I mean sedition was cute & stuff back in 1776 but that's too outdated for modern America, which is beyond such concerns.
ETA: I am not supporting the crying libs' empty threats to start killing people, I am saying that it's ridiculous to say that sedition is always and in every case abhorrent.
One protestor just said "Blood will be shed. There will be casualties on both sides because people need to die to make changes.".
Yikes.
I joined Twitter last night to experience the melt down first hand. I'm about to express my feelings to the protester by Tweeting a link to this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCLxJd1d84s
How do you think that will be received?
EDIT: You only have to listen to the first 40 seconds of the song to get the message.
Circuits
11-09-2016, 23:37
Yeah, because the government will always be a legitimate and humble servant of the people, right? I mean sedition was cute & stuff back in 1776 but that's too outdated for modern America, which is beyond such concerns.
ETA: I am not supporting the crying libs' empty threats to start killing people, I am saying that it's ridiculous to say that sedition is always and in every case abhorrent.
To the body against which it is directed, it always is. Victors write the histories.
Holy crap, HE WON!!!!! [Coffee]
Hahahahahhahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvgnOqcCYCM
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2016, 23:48
"Sure, sure" I muttered, as I carried box two filled with 2200 projectiles into the basement.
[emoji1]
That's it ;)
One protestor just said "Blood will be shed. There will be casualties on both sides because people need to die to make changes.".
Yikes.
FNC mic'd up a protester in NY live on Megyn Kelly's show that agreed to a "civil" discussion.
Reporter, "Why are you protesting?"
Protester, "Because Donald Trump doesn't represent me or my group."
Protester, "And someone should grab Trump right in the p****y."
[ROFL2]
haha, watching the SJW crying vids on youtube.
Cue REM mad World music here at 8:23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXUaQe3ziEY
I'm trying to be humble, but it's an internal struggle not to point and give them all a Nelson.
There are a great many things that our collective grand and
great grand parents would not be shocked by, and would outright support. That should not be the bar we set for current political policies.
Let's not forget we got where we are today, both good and the bad, politically in many ways BECAUSE of our predecessors.
Banning liberal ideologies and condemning them to be political prisoners and "enemies of the state" does not seem to me to be anything near the values that this country was founded on, nor the values that countless people have fought and died to preserve. Are many liberal policies and ideals potentially dangerous? Sure. But that's why we vote the bastards out and showcase why our ideals and policies are superior in every way, not round people up and imprison them because we disagree with each other.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
The problem with America, which led to where are as a nation today, is the idea that every idea is somehow precious and needs to be heard. Liberalism (Marxism) is a snake which needs its head cut off, a cancer which needs to be eradicated. McCarthy understood this and is now villified for being right.
Not just political prisoners, but actual enemies of not only the state but of the people who they would seek to corrupt with promises of free shit, the continued destruction of the family and moral fiber of this nation, etc. Advocates of things which are great moral evils (abortion, lack of self-defense, communist ideals, etc.).
It was the ww2 generation which really set the train of ruination down the tracks. They were the greatest generation in many ways, and the worst generation in others. Whether they stormed the beaches at Normandy or nearly died at Tarawa, they came back and corporately either ran roughshod over the moral fiber of the country or raised a generation which would engage in a rampant libertine attitude. Bernie Sanders didn't happen in a vacuum.
Again, I say, our great grandparents would not find my list shocking. Neither would the founding fathers.
Let's look at the list again:
* Repeal and shitcan NAFTA -- stop the subsidies to the corn farmers for ruining my friggin gasoline; make them actually farm again, instead of planting crops destined to fail and getting paid more for failure; institute a guest worker program for Mexicans and whomever else wants to pick strawberries. Commie Cesar Chavez got the Bracero program nixed and it contributed to the present immigration problems, in conjunction with NAFTA ruining Mexican farming.
* Obamacare -- overturn; break up the insurance scam which rigs prices so high
* A hard and fast federal stance guaranteeing NO violation of the 2nd amendment in any form (repeal of NFA, 1968, tell states who wish to violate this to stuff it)
* Overthrow of Roe v Wade and guarantee a personhood amendment in Constitution to protect the unborn in ALL cases
* increase tariffs, decrease taxation of workers
* Dissolution of the Dept of Education with a return to sensible educational programs at the state and local level
* Banning liberal programs and anyone who touts them is immediately imprisoned as an enemy of the state
* Crush the unions and only let them reconvene if they engage in just, collective bargaining, safety, training, etc. NO political activity and no retribution for dissenting members.
* Overthrow the Johnson Amendment
* Overthrow the recognition of marriage as anything other than a union between one man and one woman (and really, the state shouldn't be involved in this function anyway)
* Enforce on-the-books sodomy laws
* Federally provided rifles, ammo, and training a la Switzerland; funds allocated to states to stand up their militias -- reduce standing military to a force able to conduct first strike expeditionary operations w/ enough time to train people up for a draft.
1) Would it be a bad thing to encourage productive farming which doesn't see a large amount of it going to a disastrous EPA-led campaign to produce less effective fuel? No
2) Would it be a bad thing to undue to unconstitutional intrusion of the federal .gov into forcing people to buy a product at great expense and which leads to a bloating of prices? No.
3) Would it be a bad thing to guarantee the 2nd Amendment with no ridiculous laws which make a constitutionally guaranteed right in all its substance and ancillary aspects? No.
4) Would it be a bad thing to recognize the reality of human dignity and the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness from conception so as to guarantee a) that we arent murdering our own children and b) that we restore the consequences of decisions? No.
5) Would it be a bad thing to encourage domestic manufacturing and decrease the federal hand into the local pocket of the working man? No.
6) Would it be a bad thing to allow states to return to a curriculum which is sensible and teaches/encourages fundamentals without all the cultural marxist bloating? No.
7) Would it be a bad thing to treat enemies of the future of America at every level (economic, moral, etc.) as what they are, such that we stop seeing dumb crap like Boulder High school students walking out of class because their little feelings and fantasy world got hurt? Such that people LIKE Margaret Sanger would have no room to spread their cancerous crap, Saul Alinsky to be put in jail where he belonged, and all the other commie agitators too? No.
8) Would it be a bad thing to disallow the "schools of communism"(Lenin) to foment their class warfare BS and instead simply serve as a backstop to the potential for worker abuse? No.
9) Would it be a bad thing to stop dangling a tax-free status over the Church in a squelching of the natural reality of the intention of the Church and of the fact that the separation of Church and State as we see today is in fact 180* from the intention of the founding fathers? No.
10) Would it be a bad thing to return as a nation to something which is so glaringly obvious from natural law and which, frankly, the .gov should only have enforcement insofar as ensuring the protection of the oldest social norm in history? No. And I'd go further in stating that the .gov should not be involved in this anyway at any other level. No tax breaks for the married at the expense of the single, etc. The only reason the .gov is involved goes back to the days of segregation and eugenics in this country.
11) Would it be a bad thing to stop the ridiculous displays of homosexual behavior such as we see in these "gay pride" parades, etc.? No. It's impossible to deal with what might occur between two people out of the public eye, but in the public eye that shit should be squashed.
12) Would it be a bad thing to have the federal government do its job in a manner which encourages subsidiarity and yet also the national defense which allows defense at all levels from local to federal? No.
It's an amazing amount of hubris to think that we can ignore thousands of years of human history which proves these basic principles one way or another. Yeah, I agree that not all of our great grandparents' ideas were good. But I'm not talking about their novelties or things like Racism (true racism, not the hurt feelings report of today), I'm talking about the things they inherited which are obviously good. GK Chesterton wrote that, "Tradition is the democracy of the dead." My parents' generation totally shirked tradition and its been a fast ride down this slippery slope since then. Their parents generation (ww2) didn't rip them back from the edge when they saw them start down the road to where we are now. Their grandparents' generation became comfortable with things. We have to stop being comfortable with the destruction of not only our nation, but ourselves.
I purposely left out anything which is found only in Catholicism, lest anyone accuse my list of being based on that. Those things take faith. What I outlined is simply an adherence to principles found in the natural law, something from which no man escapes and all good societies have understood. Even the founding fathers understood and lived by these ideas. Every generation which gave an inch to the diabolical ideas of a vocal few opened a mile on the road to hell for their children.
I say again, the cultural Marxist rot is DEEP. When we recoil at the idea of some faggot wearing little more than glitter prancing down the street being arrested and locked up, some commie agitator being locked up, some mentally ill person deciding they're a woman and anyone saying otherwise, some child being born despite what consequence it may bring to someone who was living only in the moment (rather than the horror we should feel at abortion), etc., we know we are affected by it, even if that initial reaction is momentary and we quickly reason why X thing is in fact wrong and must be stamped out.
But I shouldn't be surprised. At the end of the day, it's hard to tell another person or a group of people they will not destroy society when we have lost the adherence to the reality of truth. Relativism is our principle now, socially. Anything less would require us to actually give a hoot.
Martinjmpr
11-10-2016, 09:13
Nothing I said would shock our great grandparents (or great great grandparents if you're around 18) or be seen as unAmerican by their generation. The cultural Marxist rot is deep, friends.
"Crushing" unions and imprisoning people for holding liberal beliefs - yeah, that's how you restore the Constitution. [facepalm]
"Crushing" unions and imprisoning people for holding liberal beliefs - yeah, that's how you restore the Constitution. [facepalm]
Exactly.
Now if we were to shun communists and destroy their arguments with true facts then that would be a good track to take.
When the communists riot then we have an entirely different situation wherein we can take action against them but only the rioters.
The problem with America, which led to where are as a nation today, is the idea that every idea is somehow precious and needs to be heard. Liberalism (Marxism) is a snake which needs its head cut off, a cancer which needs to be eradicated. McCarthy understood this and is now villified for being right.
Not just political prisoners, but actual enemies of not only the state but of the people who they would seek to corrupt with promises of free shit, the continued destruction of the family and moral fiber of this nation, etc. Advocates of things which are great moral evils (abortion, lack of self-defense, communist ideals, etc.).
It was the ww2 generation which really set the train of ruination down the tracks. They were the greatest generation in many ways, and the worst generation in others. Whether they stormed the beaches at Normandy or nearly died at Tarawa, they came back and corporately either ran roughshod over the moral fiber of the country or raised a generation which would engage in a rampant libertine attitude. Bernie Sanders didn't happen in a vacuum.
Again, I say, our great grandparents would not find my list shocking. Neither would the founding fathers.
Let's look at the list again:
1) Would it be a bad thing to encourage productive farming which doesn't see a large amount of it going to a disastrous EPA-led campaign to produce less effective fuel? No
2) Would it be a bad thing to undue to unconstitutional intrusion of the federal .gov into forcing people to buy a product at great expense and which leads to a bloating of prices? No.
3) Would it be a bad thing to guarantee the 2nd Amendment with no ridiculous laws which make a constitutionally guaranteed right in all its substance and ancillary aspects? No.
4) Would it be a bad thing to recognize the reality of human dignity and the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness from conception so as to guarantee a) that we arent murdering our own children and b) that we restore the consequences of decisions? No.
5) Would it be a bad thing to encourage domestic manufacturing and decrease the federal hand into the local pocket of the working man? No.
6) Would it be a bad thing to allow states to return to a curriculum which is sensible and teaches/encourages fundamentals without all the cultural marxist bloating? No.
7) Would it be a bad thing to treat enemies of the future of America at every level (economic, moral, etc.) as what they are, such that we stop seeing dumb crap like Boulder High school students walking out of class because their little feelings and fantasy world got hurt? Such that people LIKE Margaret Sanger would have no room to spread their cancerous crap, Saul Alinsky to be put in jail where he belonged, and all the other commie agitators too? No.
8) Would it be a bad thing to disallow the "schools of communism"(Lenin) to foment their class warfare BS and instead simply serve as a backstop to the potential for worker abuse? No.
9) Would it be a bad thing to stop dangling a tax-free status over the Church in a squelching of the natural reality of the intention of the Church and of the fact that the separation of Church and State as we see today is in fact 180* from the intention of the founding fathers? No.
10) Would it be a bad thing to return as a nation to something which is so glaringly obvious from natural law and which, frankly, the .gov should only have enforcement insofar as ensuring the protection of the oldest social norm in history? No. And I'd go further in stating that the .gov should not be involved in this anyway at any other level. No tax breaks for the married at the expense of the single, etc. The only reason the .gov is involved goes back to the days of segregation and eugenics in this country.
11) Would it be a bad thing to stop the ridiculous displays of homosexual behavior such as we see in these "gay pride" parades, etc.? No. It's impossible to deal with what might occur between two people out of the public eye, but in the public eye that shit should be squashed.
12) Would it be a bad thing to have the federal government do its job in a manner which encourages subsidiarity and yet also the national defense which allows defense at all levels from local to federal? No.
It's an amazing amount of hubris to think that we can ignore thousands of years of human history which proves these basic principles one way or another. Yeah, I agree that not all of our great grandparents' ideas were good. But I'm not talking about their novelties or things like Racism (true racism, not the hurt feelings report of today), I'm talking about the things they inherited which are obviously good. GK Chesterton wrote that, "Tradition is the democracy of the dead." My parents' generation totally shirked tradition and its been a fast ride down this slippery slope since then. Their parents generation (ww2) didn't rip them back from the edge when they saw them start down the road to where we are now. Their grandparents' generation became comfortable with things. We have to stop being comfortable with the destruction of not only our nation, but ourselves.
I purposely left out anything which is found only in Catholicism, lest anyone accuse my list of being based on that. Those things take faith. What I outlined is simply an adherence to principles found in the natural law, something from which no man escapes and all good societies have understood. Even the founding fathers understood and lived by these ideas. Every generation which gave an inch to the diabolical ideas of a vocal few opened a mile on the road to hell for their children.
I say again, the cultural Marxist rot is DEEP. When we recoil at the idea of some faggot wearing little more than glitter prancing down the street being arrested and locked up, some commie agitator being locked up, some mentally ill person deciding they're a woman and anyone saying otherwise, some child being born despite what consequence it may bring to someone who was living only in the moment (rather than the horror we should feel at abortion), etc., we know we are affected by it, even if that initial reaction is momentary and we quickly reason why X thing is in fact wrong and must be stamped out.
But I shouldn't be surprised. At the end of the day, it's hard to tell another person or a group of people they will not destroy society when we have lost the adherence to the reality of truth. Relativism is our principle now, socially. Anything less would require us to actually give a hoot.
OK chairman Mao, keep on thinking it's ok to jail people who disagree with you. Not ideas I served in the military for.
I expect it will get much worse between now and January.
Protests have been getting progressively more violent for the past 7 years with the help of Obama and his friends in the DOJ.
Now that Obama has nothing to lose, I expect the protests to grow and spread.
Should be interesting.
I expect it will get much worse between now and January.
Protests have been getting progressively more violent for the past 7 years with the help of Obama and his friends in the DOJ.
Now that Obama has nothing to lose, I expect the protests to grow and spread.
Should be interesting.
I concur. Its kind of scary. They're clamoring to remove the electoral system because its "not fair". The irony....I can't even.
"Crushing" unions and imprisoning people for holding liberal beliefs - yeah, that's how you restore the Constitution. [facepalm]
Not holding, disseminating/fomenting/etc.
"Trade unions are the schools of communism" - VI Lenin. Does the SEIU etc. show this to be false or true? True.
OK chairman Mao, keep on thinking it's ok to jail people who disagree with you. Not ideas I served in the military for.
Chairman Mao? lol. So you served in the military to allow the destruction of the country? I didn't. To protect the destruction of the country? I didn't.
Exactly.
Now if we were to shun communists and destroy their arguments with true facts then that would be a good track to take.
When the communists riot then we have an entirely different situation wherein we can take action against them but only the rioters.
Fomenting dissent and the destruction of an entire nation, arguing for the theft of private property, etc., isn't worthy of being considered an enemy of that nation?
Not all ideas are precious, Robert.
Fomenting dissent and the destruction of an entire nation, arguing for the theft of private property, etc., isn't worthy of being considered an enemy of that nation?
Not all ideas are precious, Robert.
You're advocating for things that are unconstitutional. Don't put words in my mouth, I NEVER said all ideas are precious.
True liberty means we must allow all manner of speech, especially speech we don't agree with.
Liberals are the stupidest people on the planet but they have the same rights that I do.
The problem with America, which led to where are as a nation today, is the idea that every idea is somehow precious and needs to be heard. Liberalism (Marxism) is a snake which needs its head cut off, a cancer which needs to be eradicated. McCarthy understood this and is now villified for being right.
Not just political prisoners, but actual enemies of not only the state but of the people who they would seek to corrupt with promises of free shit, the continued destruction of the family and moral fiber of this nation, etc. Advocates of things which are great moral evils (abortion, lack of self-defense, communist ideals, etc.).
It was the ww2 generation which really set the train of ruination down the tracks. They were the greatest generation in many ways, and the worst generation in others. Whether they stormed the beaches at Normandy or nearly died at Tarawa, they came back and corporately either ran roughshod over the moral fiber of the country or raised a generation which would engage in a rampant libertine attitude. Bernie Sanders didn't happen in a vacuum.
Again, I say, our great grandparents would not find my list shocking. Neither would the founding fathers.
Let's look at the list again:
1) Would it be a bad thing to encourage productive farming which doesn't see a large amount of it going to a disastrous EPA-led campaign to produce less effective fuel? No
2) Would it be a bad thing to undue to unconstitutional intrusion of the federal .gov into forcing people to buy a product at great expense and which leads to a bloating of prices? No.
3) Would it be a bad thing to guarantee the 2nd Amendment with no ridiculous laws which make a constitutionally guaranteed right in all its substance and ancillary aspects? No.
4) Would it be a bad thing to recognize the reality of human dignity and the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness from conception so as to guarantee a) that we arent murdering our own children and b) that we restore the consequences of decisions? No.
5) Would it be a bad thing to encourage domestic manufacturing and decrease the federal hand into the local pocket of the working man? No.
6) Would it be a bad thing to allow states to return to a curriculum which is sensible and teaches/encourages fundamentals without all the cultural marxist bloating? No.
7) Would it be a bad thing to treat enemies of the future of America at every level (economic, moral, etc.) as what they are, such that we stop seeing dumb crap like Boulder High school students walking out of class because their little feelings and fantasy world got hurt? Such that people LIKE Margaret Sanger would have no room to spread their cancerous crap, Saul Alinsky to be put in jail where he belonged, and all the other commie agitators too? No.
8) Would it be a bad thing to disallow the "schools of communism"(Lenin) to foment their class warfare BS and instead simply serve as a backstop to the potential for worker abuse? No.
9) Would it be a bad thing to stop dangling a tax-free status over the Church in a squelching of the natural reality of the intention of the Church and of the fact that the separation of Church and State as we see today is in fact 180* from the intention of the founding fathers? No.
10) Would it be a bad thing to return as a nation to something which is so glaringly obvious from natural law and which, frankly, the .gov should only have enforcement insofar as ensuring the protection of the oldest social norm in history? No. And I'd go further in stating that the .gov should not be involved in this anyway at any other level. No tax breaks for the married at the expense of the single, etc. The only reason the .gov is involved goes back to the days of segregation and eugenics in this country.
11) Would it be a bad thing to stop the ridiculous displays of homosexual behavior such as we see in these "gay pride" parades, etc.? No. It's impossible to deal with what might occur between two people out of the public eye, but in the public eye that shit should be squashed.
12) Would it be a bad thing to have the federal government do its job in a manner which encourages subsidiarity and yet also the national defense which allows defense at all levels from local to federal? No.
It's an amazing amount of hubris to think that we can ignore thousands of years of human history which proves these basic principles one way or another. Yeah, I agree that not all of our great grandparents' ideas were good. But I'm not talking about their novelties or things like Racism (true racism, not the hurt feelings report of today), I'm talking about the things they inherited which are obviously good. GK Chesterton wrote that, "Tradition is the democracy of the dead." My parents' generation totally shirked tradition and its been a fast ride down this slippery slope since then. Their parents generation (ww2) didn't rip them back from the edge when they saw them start down the road to where we are now. Their grandparents' generation became comfortable with things. We have to stop being comfortable with the destruction of not only our nation, but ourselves.
I purposely left out anything which is found only in Catholicism, lest anyone accuse my list of being based on that. Those things take faith. What I outlined is simply an adherence to principles found in the natural law, something from which no man escapes and all good societies have understood. Even the founding fathers understood and lived by these ideas. Every generation which gave an inch to the diabolical ideas of a vocal few opened a mile on the road to hell for their children.
I say again, the cultural Marxist rot is DEEP. When we recoil at the idea of some faggot wearing little more than glitter prancing down the street being arrested and locked up, some commie agitator being locked up, some mentally ill person deciding they're a woman and anyone saying otherwise, some child being born despite what consequence it may bring to someone who was living only in the moment (rather than the horror we should feel at abortion), etc., we know we are affected by it, even if that initial reaction is momentary and we quickly reason why X thing is in fact wrong and must be stamped out.
But I shouldn't be surprised. At the end of the day, it's hard to tell another person or a group of people they will not destroy society when we have lost the adherence to the reality of truth. Relativism is our principle now, socially. Anything less would require us to actually give a hoot.
Sounds like a good start [Beer]
When the commies throw their riot party then we can go in and kill all the participants, you're not going to kill or imprison anyone for talking about their ideas.
osok-308
11-10-2016, 11:55
I expect it will get much worse between now and January.
Protests have been getting progressively more violent for the past 7 years with the help of Obama and his friends in the DOJ.
Now that Obama has nothing to lose, I expect the protests to grow and spread.
Should be interesting.
This. Things will get worse before they get better. Hopefully it doesn't get too much worse.
You're advocating for things that are unconstitutional. Don't put words in my mouth, I NEVER said all ideas are precious.
True liberty means we must allow all manner of speech, especially speech we don't agree with.
Liberals are the stupidest people on the planet but they have the same rights that I do.
Oh Robert...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution# Speech_critical_of_the_government
Communism and its associated ideas under the mask of Liberalism are a threat to the US. Why don't you read the above link to see precedent for the idea I'm advocating.
We have laws against planning the overthrow of our government.
No, I served and fought so that people can have free and open thoughts and the ability to express their thoughts without having to worry about being jailed or killed for having ideas different from those in power. One thing I'd hate to see is a university campus become our Tiananmen Square complete with pics of an Abrams tank is about to roll over a protester.
Chairman Mao? lol. So you served in the military to allow the destruction of the country? I didn't. To protect the destruction of the country? I didn't.
... I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...
Communism, Socialism, Islam/Sharia, etc. are antithetical to the Constitution of the United States.
Nuke 'em all.
No, I served and fought so that people can have free and open thoughts and the ability to express their thoughts without having to worry about being jailed or killed for having ideas different from those in power. One thing I'd hate to see is a university campus become our Tiananmen Square complete with pics of an Abrams tank is about to roll over a protester.
I agree with that sentiment but it doesn't seem to working for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RUv8z59EZA
There is a baker who might have some thoughts on the subject as well.
bellavite1
11-10-2016, 13:16
And for your viewing pleasure...
https://youtu.be/grD_IINiH9c
[Coffee]
I am sorry, but that is just fun to watch.
I agree with that sentiment but it doesn't seem to working for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RUv8z59EZA
There is a baker who might have some thoughts on the subject as well.
And once it gets physical like that they should be arrested and charged with a crime.
For the baker, I agree that they shouldn't have been forced to do what they didn't want to do in their own business. But the gov't is there for all citizens' protection, and the services provided like record keeping of marriage licenses shouldn't be denied just because someone's way of life that has no actual way of hurting you is different from yours. If you feel that your marriage is somehow less valid to you because 2 men or 2 women get married at a courthouse then your marriage isn't as strong as you think and you might want to reconsider some life choices. I see way too many people acting like whiney little SJW's who need a safe space because two guys that they don't know and will never meet got married and live together with the same legal protections and responsibilities that they and their 3rd wife enjoy.
I'm just hoping Trump reinstates slavery. My life would be so much easier if I didn't have to do yard work or shovel snow.
(That is the kind of stuff Hillary's supporters are expecting, isn't it?)
I'm just hoping Trump reinstates slavery. My life would be so much easier if I didn't have to do yard work or shovel snow.
(That is the kind of stuff Hillary's supporters are expecting, isn't it?)
Quit trolling ray, some sjw will quote you and use your sarcasm as proof or something heinous.
And once it gets physical like that they should be arrested and charged with a crime.
For the baker, I agree that they shouldn't have been forced to do what they didn't want to do in their own business. But the gov't is there for all citizens' protection, and the services provided like record keeping of marriage licenses shouldn't be denied just because someone's way of life that has no actual way of hurting you is different from yours. If you feel that your marriage is somehow less valid to you because 2 men or 2 women get married at a courthouse then your marriage isn't as strong as you think and you might want to reconsider some life choices. I see way too many people acting like whiney little SJW's who need a safe space because two guys that they don't know and will never meet got married and live together with the same legal protections and responsibilities that they and their 3rd wife enjoy.
They should be arrested and charged for sure. But that means the First Amendment only protects us when there is a competent LEO in our vicinity. That's kind of hard and why a lot of us carry. I think we would agree if you need a 911 call to exercise a right, it's probably not a protected right.
The state in the Masterpiece case took those two guys that the baker didn't know, forced the baker to associate with them, contradict his own conscious/religious belief, and provide an accommodation that was freely available from other bakers in the nearby area (i.e. there was no denial of a public accommodation).
The baker didn't wake up thinking "Nice day today, it's a fine day for oppressing some icky gays by refusing to compromise my faith." Nor did he ask for a safe space.
But none the less, the First Amendment is dead with cases like these. And just because the government intervened in a way you support (this one time) doesn't change that fact.
I'm just hoping Trump reinstates slavery. My life would be so much easier if I didn't have to do yard work or shovel snow.
(That is the kind of stuff Hillary's supporters are expecting, isn't it?)
Not when you consider the fact you are solely responsible for keeping your slaves fed, sheltered, and generally healthy.
Turns out to not be cost effective I hear.
Not when you consider the fact you are solely responsible for keeping your slaves fed, sheltered, and generally healthy.
Turns out to not be cost effective I hear.
The ~$35k in Fed taxes my wife and I paid in 2015 doesn't appear to be cost effective either.
§ 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer(a) Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
"I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the(lawful) orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_(armed_forces)) appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Code_of_Military_Justice). So help me God (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_help_me_God).
THIS is what members of our military(enlisted) have sworn. Note that there is nothing in there (nor the Constitution) about adhering to a given moral code, nor upholding the beliefs of any one religion, nor about sexual preference, "natural law" or any other such nonsense. Why on Earth do people insist on trying to impose their morality on others, and continually attempting to leverage the government into doing the same? As long as it doesn't directly impact my rights, whatever 2 or more consenting adults do with each other is irrelevant.
THIS is what members of our military(enlisted) have sworn. Note that there is nothing in there (nor the Constitution) about adhering to a given moral code, nor upholding the beliefs of any one religion, nor about sexual preference, "natural law" or any other such nonsense. Why on Earth do people insist on trying to impose their morality on others, and continually attempting to leverage the government into doing the same? As long as it doesn't directly impact my rights, whatever 2 or more consenting adults do with each other is irrelevant.
Please don't try to bring normalcy and common sense into the conversation. Isn't that what separates most of us from the intolerant folks on the left?
Please don't try to bring normalcy and common sense into the conversation. Isn't that what separates most of us from the intolerant folks on the left?
Sorry, forgot that this is the internet...[gohome]
THIS is what members of our military(enlisted) have sworn. Note that there is nothing in there (nor the Constitution) about adhering to a given moral code, nor upholding the beliefs of any one religion, nor about sexual preference, "natural law" or any other such nonsense. Why on Earth do people insist on trying to impose their morality on others, and continually attempting to leverage the government into doing the same? As long as it doesn't directly impact my rights, whatever 2 or more consenting adults do with each other is irrelevant.
I remember that vividly.
Here's the 10th Amendment I'll quote for the second time today...
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Marriage was delegated to the states. The power to license, dissolve, and administer AND/OR the power to stay out of it and delegate directly to the People (a more Libertarian solution many have proposed [and I think makes a lot of sense personally]). If a state decided that gay marriage was illegal that was not only lawful but upholding that law was mandated by the Constitution. The one I swore to uphold.
So twice now people have said "but the oath to the Constitution!" And I have to ask: Which constitution? Cause my copy says gay marriage is still illegal in Colorado and if we want to change that there was a lawful process for doing so. In fact, that was the only way of doing so under the Constitution (Fed and state in this case).
In 1974 the same thing happened with abortion. States had laws prohibiting and there was no amendment to delegate this power to FedGov. But USSC rammed it down everyone's throat as well.
What we have now is not Republicanism and the Constitution is dead. The promotion of social issues as a justification for shredding the law is one reason why this has happened. And we may very well have gotten to the same place on some issues with the Constitution intact.
So some say "the system works" while it's not the system we are promised by law and others say "we had to break the system so it would work." The only consistency is that we get further from the Constitution.
I need a drink... :)
The anti-Trump rally is kicking off at the Capitol building. You're already late if you haven't already headed that way. [Sarcasm2]
These people protesting about Trump should be angry at their media. They were being lied to for so long and they believed it so the reality is hitting them hard.
Republicans had to give Obama a chance, so how about waiting until Trump is even sworn in?
Bet all the pot edibles are gone.
Bet all the pot edibles are gone.
http://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15032214_10154062237842061_3990915899039371926_n.j pg?oh=d93c87033b5350d20a89c11945cd07ba&oe=58CC232D
gnihcraes
11-10-2016, 20:30
Bet all the pot edibles are gone.
While waiting for the bus to leave downtown, three 18-20 year olds were lost using their cell phone, trying to find the weed shop. I felt sorry for them and sent them in the right direction.
Also saw two older ladies ~ late 60's probably, boarding the train with their anti-trump signs. I wanted to yell out GO TRUMP! just for the fun of it.
sellersm
11-10-2016, 20:44
They don't teach civics & government anymore? Petition for electoral college to vote for Hillary: http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/11/1-million-sign-petition-to-make-hillary-president/
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Great-Kazoo
11-10-2016, 21:13
They don't teach civics & government anymore? Petition for electoral college to vote for Hillary: http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/11/1-million-sign-petition-to-make-hillary-president/
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They might get their wish. You get enough electors threatened by tolerance & diversity. Who knows what could happen.
They might get their wish. You get enough electors threatened by tolerance & diversity. Who knows what could happen.
Ive been thinking about this. Do you really think that any of them would flip? I know *anything* is possible but it just seems far fetched. However, nothing has been normal with this election. '
I imagine if the anti trump protests got so bad before they voted, some might sway to "save the nation".
3beansalad
11-10-2016, 21:26
[Coffee]
I am sorry, but that is just fun to watch.
So much fun, watched it twice in a row
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Ive been thinking about this. Do you really think that any of them would flip? I know *anything* is possible but it just seems far fetched. However, nothing has been normal with this election. '
I imagine if the anti trump protests got so bad before they voted, some might sway to "save the nation".
And at that point, the REAL protests would likely start.
With the margin that trump has, if that were to happen the country would split up.
Honestly I wouldn't be opposed to it. Population centers over 1 Million can be safe spaces for the United Socialist City Centers of North America. Separate laws, constitution, form of government. Build walls around them and re- admit them to the Union on a case by case basis.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
With the margin that trump has, if that were to happen the country would split up.
But, but, but the Constitution! We swore an oath!!!
Ive been thinking about this. Do you really think that any of them would flip? I know *anything* is possible but it just seems far fetched. However, nothing has been normal with this election. '
I imagine if the anti trump protests got so bad before they voted, some might sway to "save the nation".
I really think that is the plan and I think the people pushing this have nothing to lose. Soros is funding this, and aside from saying things about him that would get me banned, he and his family are well protected from the obvious consequences.
They have until 12/19 (when the EC votes are registered) to ratchet it up. "Protestors" are already committed violence and the Dem mayors and giving them license to do so. Obama/Clinton have been silent as they did during the BLM demonstrates giving it their quiet approval.
It would appear to me the national reaction to these "protests" is overwhelming negative. So they are not playing a long game here.
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2016, 10:59
So they are not playing a long game here.
Let them. I'm solid out to 1K, more once my new project is completed , fairly quietly. That long enough ?
Let them. I'm solid out to 1K, more once my new project is completed , fairly quietly. That long enough ?
Between now and 12/19 that is exactly what Soros & Co would want. For them to initiate violence while there is uncertainty (among the ignorant) on the EC vs populate vote.
But if they bring it, what else could be done?
Between now and 12/19 that is exactly what Soros & Co would want. For them to initiate violence while there is uncertainty (among the ignorant) on the EC vs populate vote.
But if they bring it, what else could be done?
I fear they're trying to poke the bear enough to get him to wake up and use that as a way to put Hillary in or call marshall law. The next month will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
Vice President-elect Pence to Take Over Trump Transition Effort (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/vice-president-elect-pence-to-take-over-trump-transition-effort/ar-AAkbyEC?li=BBnb7Kz)
Oh, thank you!!!! Much better than Chris Christie doing it. Pence is a solid conservative.
DireWolf
11-11-2016, 18:34
...the people pushing this have nothing to lose. Soros is funding this....he and his family are well protected from the obvious consequences.
This doesn't have to be the case.
I dont think it would be either beyond reason or feasability for President Trump to get him/them/etc. classified as the enemies they truly are, and give them all (at least the principals who are legally untouchable for whatever reason) dirt naps, Tom Clancy style....
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This doesn't have to be the case.
I dont think it would be either beyond reason or feasability for President Trump to get him/them/etc. classified as the enemies they truly are, and give them all (at least the principals who are legally untouchable for whatever reason) dirt naps, Tom Clancy style....
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It would be framed as McCarthyism (even Soros a US citizen?) and then worse. Look at the uproar over Clinton losing (she's a traitor).
A better solution...
Black Dallas Cop Sues Black Lives Matter, Soros for Inciting Race War
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/09/16/black-dallas-cop-sues-black-lives-matter-soros-inciting-race-war/
(http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/09/16/black-dallas-cop-sues-black-lives-matter-soros-inciting-race-war/)
The plaintiffs hope to see an award in excess of $500 million, according to the complaint.
This could have some teeth.
Absent that I think any other solutions involve much nastiness.
Rucker61
11-11-2016, 19:21
I'm just hoping Trump reinstates slavery. My life would be so much easier if I didn't have to do yard work or shovel snow.
(That is the kind of stuff Hillary's supporters are expecting, isn't it?)
Two words: teenage sons.
JohnnyDrama
11-11-2016, 20:16
Regarding the riots, I need to go to my safe space.
WTF are people protesting? What do they expect to accomplish? Do the protesters have any idea how childish this behavior is? They should be ashamed of themselves. Where the fuck are the "grown-ups"? If I were a Democrat I'd be embarrassed. How many riots did the "basket of deplorables" start when Obama won?
These are rhetorical questions. I just had to rant. Thanks for your time.
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2016, 20:32
WTF are people protesting? What do they expect to accomplish? Do the protesters have any idea how childish this behavior is? They should be ashamed of themselves. Where the fuck are the "grown-ups"? If I were a Democrat I'd be embarrassed.
I've been trolling a well known leftist site (ok a few) since wed. The way they have to justify their "stance" is well. completely fucky
We will stay in the streets protesting until the electoral college changes their votes.
I comment
So, explain how the same people who wanted the feds to monitor voting places for right wing voter intimidation.
Now want to intimidate the electoral college in to changing their vote.
Am i the only one who sees the fuckin hypocrisy of the snowflakes
Crickets
next is THE WHITE RACIST put the Nazi in to office. The white racist have been marginalizing minorities since they raped the native americans.
Well to clarify History for you mister or miss gender neutral complainer
Blame the Spaniards, They hired Columbus
As for racist (in general) I'm offended you referred to them as native (lower case) americans. When any self respecting person of moral compass KNOWS, They are Native Indigenous People's You racist much Bro or is it xis?
Nothing but crickets for a reply The up side is i received 65+ LIKES from the same sjw's
gnihcraes
11-11-2016, 20:51
Two words: teenage sons.
Um, they won't do manual labor.
buffalobo
11-11-2016, 22:18
Um, they won't do manual labor.
Mine did, when they realized that I was serious. You don't work, you don't eat.
Mine did, when they realized that I was serious. You don't work, you don't eat.
No soup kitchens in your neck of the prairie? [LOL]
No, I served and fought so that people can have free and open thoughts and the ability to express their thoughts without having to worry about being jailed or killed for having ideas different from those in power. One thing I'd hate to see is a university campus become our Tiananmen Square complete with pics of an Abrams tank is about to roll over a protester.
Well, that's not very historically or etymologically accurate of you.
I've posted this before, and I guess I'll have to post it again, on True Freedom:
...
True freedom, the freedom that liberates, is grounded in truth and ordered to truth and, therefore, to virtue. A free person is enslaved neither to the sheer will of another nor to his own appetites and passions. A free person lives uprightly, fulfilling his obligations to family, community, nation and God. By contrast, a person given over to his appetites and passions, a person who scoffs at truth and chooses to live, whether openly or secretly, in defiance of the moral law is not free. He is simply a different kind of slave.
The counterfeit of freedom consists in the idea of personal and communal liberation from morality, responsibility and truth. It is what our nation’s founders expressly distinguished from liberty and condemned as “license.” The so-called freedom celebrated today by so many of our opinion-shaping elites in education, entertainment and the media is simply the license to do whatever one pleases. This false conception of freedom – false because disordered, disordered because detached from moral truth and civic responsibility – shackles those in its grip no less powerfully than did the chattel slavery of old. Enslavement to one’s own appetites and passions is no less brutal a form of bondage for being a slavery of the soul. It is no less tragic, indeed, it is in certain respects immeasurably more tragic, for being self-imposed. It is ironic, is it not, that people who celebrate slavery to appetite and passion call this bondage “freedom”?
Counterfeit freedom is worse than fraudulent. It is the mortal enemy of the real thing. Counterfeit freedom can provide no rational account or defense of its own normative claims. It speaks the language of rights, but in abandoning the ground of moral duty it provides no rational basis for anyone to respect the rights of others or to demand of others respect for one’s own rights. Rights without duties are meaningless. Where moral truth as the ground of duties is thrown overboard, the language of rights is so much idle chatter fit only for Hollywood cocktail parties and faculty lounges. Hadley Arkes, the great contemporary theorist of natural rights, has observed in relation to the movement for unfettered abortion that those who demand liberation from the moral law have talked themselves out of the moral premises of their own rights and liberties. If freedom is to be honored and respected, it must be because human freedom is what is required by the laws of nature and nature’s God; it cannot be because there are no laws of nature and there is no God.
The Danger of License
But counterfeit freedom poses greater dangers still. As our founders warned, a people given over to license will be incapable of sustaining republican government. For republican government – government by the people – requires a people who are prepared to take responsibility for the common good, including the preservation of the conditions of liberty.
Listen again to President Fairfield, speaking words at that ceremony on July 4, 1853, that are, if anything, still more urgent today:
Unrestrained freedom is anarchy. Restrained only by force and arms, is despotism; self-restrained is Republicanism. Wherever there is wanted the intelligence and virtue requisite for [self-restraint], Republicanism expires.
Slaves to appetite and passion, wanting in the understanding and virtue requisite for self-government, will surely lose it. They will look not to themselves but to government to provide for the satisfaction of their desires. Where counterfeit freedom prevails, the republican principle of limited government is inevitably sacrificed as people surrender personal and, ultimately, political liberty to whatever power promises to protect them from predation and supply the appeasement of their appetites. People are reduced from citizens to subjects to slaves. They trade their birthright of freedom for a mess of pottage. Yet, so long as the big-government-provided pottage functions as a suitable narcotic, they imagine themselves free.
...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/965223/posts?page=6
That you would then define freedom as its counterfeit, license, shows that you have an ill-conceived notion of freedom. To be frank, that's not a black mark on you personally as we have been socially conditioned to such a notion. As Dr. Thomas Sowell wrote, "The problem isn't that Johnny doesn't know how to read, the problem is that Johnny doesn't know how to think."
You can be sure that Chesty Puller didn't do what he did so snot-nosed little brats on some college campus could echo the propaganda he lost good Marines in fighting. You can also be very sure didn't do what he did so they could get into positions of power and bring the red tide to American shores as if a spring welling when struck with the Little Red Book. And you can be very, very sure he did not do what he did so that once in positions of power, they could eviscerate the Constitution and force Americans to submit to the same tyranny he and his Marines fought.
As per the moral issues, leaving aside the mere socio-political ones, is Oleg Atbashian crazy when he outlines in his book "Shakedown Socialism" how the Unions here do exactly what they did in his then native USSR both prior to the its formation and after? Is former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov crazy when he specifically says that the KGB waged a war on morality through Hollywood and other means in order to rip apart American society? What about Bella Dodd who testified before Congress that she was personally responsible for recruiting 1000 communists and homosexuals to enter Catholic seminaries in order to destroy the Church in America? There's a reason Vladimir Putin wields a heavy whip on groups like "Pussy Riot" -- as a former KGB agent he understands the detriment such moral laxity and free reign of all precious thoughts do to a society.
Col. Mike Mullane, former NASA astronaut, has a presentation titled "The Normalization of Deviance". In it, he discusses the process of deviance from a baseline standard of success becoming normalized. The example he uses to outline the titular concept revolves around the Challenger Disaster. First, the engineers told NASA if they EVER see anything wrong with the o-rings on the solid rocket boosters to IMMEDIATELY ground all flights until they can fix the issue because it would result in a catastrophic event. Second, pressure to perform as a program saw them ignore some small problems with booster o-rings after recovery. NASA did not ground all flights immediately, because hey, no catastrophe right? So this kept occuring until 7 lives, trusting in the authority of the entire NASA history of success, got blown the hell up thousands of feet above Cape Canaveral. All they had to do was return to the baseline as demanded by the engineers, and 7 people would have retained life.
As a nation, we had a baseline of morality founded in Natural Law. We even had a social baseline founded largely on Divine, Revealed Law for most of our history -- even if not at the organizational level and not totally as revealed. Simple things like "don't murder children in utero", "two people of the same sex engaging in physical relations are wrong", "enemies of the people are to be dealt with", etc. When we moved from the baseline, we moved towards disaster. Now, imagine if after a bunch of successful flights with o-ring malfunction/cracking/etc., we suddenly said, "Wait, ground all flights, this is deviating from baseline." It would have been hard to explain. Astronauts might have lost trust in NASA for not following the rules all those other flights, the people of the nation would have struggled to understand, Reagan's great idea about really showing up those commie bastards in Russia would have been imperiled, etc. So we normalized deviance and killed 7 people.
Suggesting we return to a baseline is indeed hard. Especially after we have not only normalized deviance, but have experienced catastrophe after catastrophe in the moral and social sphere. We've not only normalized deviance, we have enshrined it and raised it up on high.
We go from letting "their private business" be "their" business in plain public sight, i.e., gay bars, to men in chaps, glitter, and not much else parade around the streets. Our DOD even celebrates that crap in the month of June. God help you if you live in some place like San Francisco or Portland and express disgust at their unnatural behaviors.
We go from the idea of a woman being allowed to murder her child in utero under the mask of language conveying it as a blob of tissue (something no self-respecting medical professional would claim these days), in the context of her own mortality, rape or incest, to over 50 million children slaughtered out of mere convenience -- now THAT is something Chairman Mao, Hitler, and Stalin would have wet themselves over -- that the very people they wished to exterminate would do it to their own progeny.
We go from the idea of "well, we can't just lock up people with different ideas" to almost letting a student of Saul Alinsky, who dedicated a work to the Devil (Lucifer), enter the White House for the 2nd time (Obama being the first).
We go from "well, who really NEEDS machine guns or silencers anyway? Let them pay a tax so it can be investigated" to wondering if we'll even be allowed to own guns in a few years. And friend, make no mistake, we here are all on a list -- some of us, myself included, no doubt reside on multiple lists.
In my list I noted the repeal of NFA, etc. Doesn't it strike you as a little incongruous that if I wished for a simple majority rule that I would allow the enemy the ability to have such arms, with which to defend themselves against such a potential as becoming the Made in America version of Tank Man? However, when someone puts a gun to your head and says they're going to kill you, "Well, let's hear em out!" is a bit moronic. Should NAMBLA be allowed to express its point of view on pedophilia? Should Islam be allowed to set up shop to form its own "ISUS" movement, and nothing done until they actually do the things they say they will do? It's too late at that point. You can't un-blow up the Challenger.
So, if you served in the military in order to allow the licensing of vice, the destruction of America, and the dignity of your fellow citizens to be imperiled, I dare say great Americans like Chesty Puller would be unimpressed. I know the Founding Fathers sure would be.
Excellent points CavSct 83'.
My only fear with your perspective is that the .gov may not only view Communism, Islam, Moral Deviance, and Nazism to be labeled as Sedition and enemies of the State, but also other perspectives that even you might view as different but not dangerous. Man as a species is weak willed, hypocritical, and easily bought off.
Someone, not sure if it was you, brought up Senator Joe McCarthy who was a braggard and a liar that used the fear of the people of Communism to attempt to propel his own political career.
The government has undoubtedly gone off the deep left end of things and will take drastic steps to bring out of that abyss, but I would not want to see the United States go to the other extreme and become a Christian version of ISIS, not that I believe thats what you are advocating for.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Excellent points CavSct 83'.
My only fear with your perspective is that the .gov may not only view Communism, Islam, Moral Deviance, and Nazism to be labeled as Sedition and enemies of the State, but also other perspectives that even you might view as different but not dangerous. Man as a species is weak willed, hypocritical, and easily bought off.
Someone, not sure if it was you, brought up Senator Joe McCarthy who was a braggard and a liar that used the fear of the people of Communism to attempt to propel his own political career.
The government has undoubtedly gone off the deep left end of things and will take drastic steps to bring out of that abyss, but I would not want to see the United States go to the other extreme and become a Christian version of ISIS, not that I believe thats what you are advocating for.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Yes, there some good points in there but they are overshadowed by the authoritarian statism from the right which is no better than the statism offered by obama and the clintons.
Bailey Guns
11-12-2016, 09:05
I agree with a lot of what CavSct wrote. I've felt that way for most of my adult life, as far back as I can remember. I've just never been able to articulate it. I think this is what I've always meant by saying we're losing our traditional, American values.
buffalobo
11-12-2016, 09:22
No soup kitchens in your neck of the prairie? [LOL]
Only the one run by Mrs bo and she won't work for free.[emoji6]
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I agree with a lot of what CavSct wrote. I've felt that way for most of my adult life, as far back as I can remember. I've just never been able to articulate it. I think this is what I've always meant by saying we're losing our traditional, American values.
Yes.
And that what I've tried to articulate as well. As brilliant as our model was, and the Constitution which defined it, it only genuinely works with some level of shared values. We can always bicker over the details but there has to be agreement on the fundamental issues for experiment to work.
DireWolf
11-12-2016, 12:16
It would be framed as McCarthyism (even Soros a US citizen?) and then worse. Look at the uproar over Clinton losing (she's a traitor).
A better solution...
Black Dallas Cop Sues Black Lives Matter, Soros for Inciting Race War
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/09/16/black-dallas-cop-sues-black-lives-matter-soros-inciting-race-war/
(http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/09/16/black-dallas-cop-sues-black-lives-matter-soros-inciting-race-war/)
This could have some teeth.
Absent that I think any other solutions involve much nastiness.
That perception (fully assisted by corrupt MSM) would undoubtedly be presented, but I say so what?
The way I figure, a large percentage of those who would perceive that in the most negative way are already lost causes for the most part and will remain as either active seditionists or passive commie supporters until they're no longer inflicting us with their existence (the latter could just wake up or GTFO and there would be no issue), are fully irrelevant except for consideration as traitors, seditionists, and potential enemy combatants, and in some cases very likely deserve their own personal appointment with the hangman...(there will also be some more rational disagreement, but that's just the way things are, and not a bad thing).
Also, for someone like Soros, I can't imaging a $500M fine being a critical setback, not when these people are up or down a billion dollars on any given day based on the market...
So, Prepare the case and full list of charges, live press conference to present to the world, and after reading the charges/condemnation, add in a live sat/bomber feed and incinerate their mansions/compounds/aircraft/etc. on live global TV. Wherever they are...period. and a follow-up message that we're done fucking around and that actively working to destroy our nation and incite global wars will carry the ultimate penalty, regardless of where or who they are.
Remember, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Well, that's not very historically or etymologically accurate of you.
I've posted this before, and I guess I'll have to post it again, on True Freedom:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/965223/posts?page=6
That you would then define freedom as its counterfeit, license, shows that you have an ill-conceived notion of freedom. To be frank, that's not a black mark on you personally as we have been socially conditioned to such a notion. As Dr. Thomas Sowell wrote, "The problem isn't that Johnny doesn't know how to read, the problem is that Johnny doesn't know how to think."
You can be sure that Chesty Puller didn't do what he did so snot-nosed little brats on some college campus could echo the propaganda he lost good Marines in fighting. You can also be very sure didn't do what he did so they could get into positions of power and bring the red tide to American shores as if a spring welling when struck with the Little Red Book. And you can be very, very sure he did not do what he did so that once in positions of power, they could eviscerate the Constitution and force Americans to submit to the same tyranny he and his Marines fought.
As per the moral issues, leaving aside the mere socio-political ones, is Oleg Atbashian crazy when he outlines in his book "Shakedown Socialism" how the Unions here do exactly what they did in his then native USSR both prior to the its formation and after? Is former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov crazy when he specifically says that the KGB waged a war on morality through Hollywood and other means in order to rip apart American society? What about Bella Dodd who testified before Congress that she was personally responsible for recruiting 1000 communists and homosexuals to enter Catholic seminaries in order to destroy the Church in America? There's a reason Vladimir Putin wields a heavy whip on groups like "Pussy Riot" -- as a former KGB agent he understands the detriment such moral laxity and free reign of all precious thoughts do to a society.
Col. Mike Mullane, former NASA astronaut, has a presentation titled "The Normalization of Deviance". In it, he discusses the process of deviance from a baseline standard of success becoming normalized. The example he uses to outline the titular concept revolves around the Challenger Disaster. First, the engineers told NASA if they EVER see anything wrong with the o-rings on the solid rocket boosters to IMMEDIATELY ground all flights until they can fix the issue because it would result in a catastrophic event. Second, pressure to perform as a program saw them ignore some small problems with booster o-rings after recovery. NASA did not ground all flights immediately, because hey, no catastrophe right? So this kept occuring until 7 lives, trusting in the authority of the entire NASA history of success, got blown the hell up thousands of feet above Cape Canaveral. All they had to do was return to the baseline as demanded by the engineers, and 7 people would have retained life.
As a nation, we had a baseline of morality founded in Natural Law. We even had a social baseline founded largely on Divine, Revealed Law for most of our history -- even if not at the organizational level and not totally as revealed. Simple things like "don't murder children in utero", "two people of the same sex engaging in physical relations are wrong", "enemies of the people are to be dealt with", etc. When we moved from the baseline, we moved towards disaster. Now, imagine if after a bunch of successful flights with o-ring malfunction/cracking/etc., we suddenly said, "Wait, ground all flights, this is deviating from baseline." It would have been hard to explain. Astronauts might have lost trust in NASA for not following the rules all those other flights, the people of the nation would have struggled to understand, Reagan's great idea about really showing up those commie bastards in Russia would have been imperiled, etc. So we normalized deviance and killed 7 people.
Suggesting we return to a baseline is indeed hard. Especially after we have not only normalized deviance, but have experienced catastrophe after catastrophe in the moral and social sphere. We've not only normalized deviance, we have enshrined it and raised it up on high.
We go from letting "their private business" be "their" business in plain public sight, i.e., gay bars, to men in chaps, glitter, and not much else parade around the streets. Our DOD even celebrates that crap in the month of June. God help you if you live in some place like San Francisco or Portland and express disgust at their unnatural behaviors.
We go from the idea of a woman being allowed to murder her child in utero under the mask of language conveying it as a blob of tissue (something no self-respecting medical professional would claim these days), in the context of her own mortality, rape or incest, to over 50 million children slaughtered out of mere convenience -- now THAT is something Chairman Mao, Hitler, and Stalin would have wet themselves over -- that the very people they wished to exterminate would do it to their own progeny.
We go from the idea of "well, we can't just lock up people with different ideas" to almost letting a student of Saul Alinsky, who dedicated a work to the Devil (Lucifer), enter the White House for the 2nd time (Obama being the first).
We go from "well, who really NEEDS machine guns or silencers anyway? Let them pay a tax so it can be investigated" to wondering if we'll even be allowed to own guns in a few years. And friend, make no mistake, we here are all on a list -- some of us, myself included, no doubt reside on multiple lists.
In my list I noted the repeal of NFA, etc. Doesn't it strike you as a little incongruous that if I wished for a simple majority rule that I would allow the enemy the ability to have such arms, with which to defend themselves against such a potential as becoming the Made in America version of Tank Man? However, when someone puts a gun to your head and says they're going to kill you, "Well, let's hear em out!" is a bit moronic. Should NAMBLA be allowed to express its point of view on pedophilia? Should Islam be allowed to set up shop to form its own "ISUS" movement, and nothing done until they actually do the things they say they will do? It's too late at that point. You can't un-blow up the Challenger.
So, if you served in the military in order to allow the licensing of vice, the destruction of America, and the dignity of your fellow citizens to be imperiled, I dare say great Americans like Chesty Puller would be unimpressed. I know the Founding Fathers sure would be.
I agree with the vast majority of this and your previous posts in-thread, and look at these aspects as the primary considerations for drastic corrective actions which in another time/place may be considered excessive and unpalatable.
These people have attempted (and are still actively working) to destroy us. Success on their part equals misery, death, subjugation, etc. for everyone we know and hold dear. They have acted outside and above the legal system while engaged in these efforts (not to mention twisting and manipulating it from within), and have even used psychological manipulation to poison and co-opt the weak minded and/or overly impressionable (e.g. children, elderly, etc.) within our society to their evil ends. As has been previously stated, this has been going on for a while and the rot (poison) runs deep...
Also, this is not nation-level aggresion/defence which has been common throughout history (for which valid rationals can be presented in some cases). These are truly evil individuals and groups who have placed themselves at odds with the rest of civilized humanity (including their weak minded minions/lemmings who just aren't smart or perceptive enought to realize it).
As such, the responsible principals need to be destroyed without mercy, just like a malignant virus, wherver they are and however it needs to happen (withon reason - the diseased tissue must be excised without killing the body). Just as with many horrible and potentially terminal illnesses, sometimes the remedy isn't something you would ever willingly choose to undertake or accept under any other circumstances - but if the decision is to live and not go quietly into the night, then what was out of the question becomes merely distateful and unpleasant - But, with with it comes the potential promise of continued life....
Finally, I'll just clarify one small point - as has been stated, this is America and that means freedom to express thoughts and opinions without fear of imprisonment, etc., and people have the right to individual thought and to speak their mind, freely associate, etc. Where that crosses the line is when thoughts & words become actions and...when they directly inhibit someone elses natural or legal rights (valid legal rights should be derived/inferred from natural rights), when presented with obvious intent to harm/corrupt at either the individual or society level, or when they are presented by those in power with the full intent to initiate action/sedition (e.g. funding protests, buying off politicians, MSM deliberate misinformation/information warefare, etc). In these cases, corrective action should be decisively applied.
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Realistically, how is all of this applied. Supreme court nomination(s) go through, then pass a Bill via congress that declares;
Communist ideaoligy, labor unions, the Democrat party, open homosexual behavior, the religion of islam, and all political campaigning and monetary contributions aside from public donations from individuals as illegal?
I feel like what is being currently discussed deserves its own thread.
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Yes.
And that what I've tried to articulate as well. As brilliant as our model was, and the Constitution which defined it, it only genuinely works with some level of shared values. We can always bicker over the details but there has to be agreement on the fundamental issues for experiment to work.
How critical religion is to the function of democracy (Professor Clay Christensen of the Harvard Business School);
http://youtu.be/YjntXYDPw44
DireWolf
11-12-2016, 18:48
Realistically, how is all of this applied. Supreme court nomination(s) go through, then pass a Bill via congress that declares;
Communist ideaoligy, labor unions, the Democrat party, open homosexual behavior, the religion of islam, and all political campaigning and monetary contributions aside from public donations from individuals as illegal?
I feel like what is being currently discussed deserves its own thread.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Speaking for myself, I don't pretend to have all the corrective processes worked out, but I honestly don't think most of it would be very difficult, nor require much in the way of new laws....
Open homosexual behavior can be covered under public lewdness laws, and on equal footing with other similar laws...I dont care if you want to get busy with a man, woman, goat, etc., but that doesn't mean I want my kids exposed to it. ..just have some decency and keep it under wraps in public. This only requires pushback to the 'normalizing' initiatives and enforcement of existing laws. If a given locality wants to accept whatever for whatever reason, then keep it local. As a side note, I don't really remember this ever being an issue before about 10-15 years ago, give or take...
Labor unions are fine in some areas, but don't have much positive value in others. I briefly worked in a "union shop" a long time ago, and will say flat out that was the only time I can ever remember being reprimanded for being too productive (making people look bad was the given reason). The only area where unions should be fully protected is public service where safety is a concern, e.g. police, fire, etc., because those protections are needed (e.g. a hostile superior could deliberately place someone in situations of elevated risk just to expose them to greater chance of harm).
Likewise for ideologies....privately support whatever ideology you like....however, as soon as your ideology comes into conflict with our laws/culture and becomes active (e.g. communism, human sacrifice/satanism, sharia law, death to America, etc.), then either the ideology or practitioners need to go, no exceptions.
As for the last item, campaign/contribute however people want...However, journalism ethics and libel laws need to be in effect, with violations dealt with severely - either a part of the process or reporting on the process, but not both. I firmly believe we would not be in the shitstorm we're in without the unrelenting information warefare being perpetuated by the MSM and dept of education, which may in fact be the highest crimes, and deserving of the harshest penalties. If the media just reports facts (as they appear at the time) without the underlying anti-American bias, and schools ran an honest curriculum (without altering historical facts or deliberate marxist indoctrination), then nobody would fall for their bullshit...Also, deliberately lying on the campaign trail should be cause for dismissal and charges for elected officials. One last item here, if part of a campaign strategy involves attempting to displace the American voters with foreign transplants (as opposed to making a convincing argument to the existing population, because their goals are antithetical to our society/wellbeing/etc.), then the responsible party/parties should be tried for treason (if possible) and executed....
Thats all I have for now....
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So much for 'draining the swamp'.
At this point Trump is just rearranging the monsters.
He hasn't done much of anything yet. The media is making guesses about everything he's doing. The best thing he's done so far is putting Pence in charge of the transition team.
bellavite1
11-13-2016, 08:59
Speaking for myself, I don't pretend to have all the corrective processes worked out, but I honestly don't think most of it would be very difficult, nor require much in the way of new laws....
Open homosexual behavior can be covered under public lewdness laws, and on equal footing with other similar laws...I dont care if you want to get busy with a man, woman, goat, etc., but that doesn't mean I want my kids exposed to it. ..just have some decency and keep it under wraps in public. This only requires pushback to the 'normalizing' initiatives and enforcement of existing laws. If a given locality wants to accept whatever for whatever reason, then keep it local. As a side note, I don't really remember this ever being an issue before about 10-15 years ago, give or take...
Labor unions are fine in some areas, but don't have much positive value in others. I briefly worked in a "union shop" a long time ago, and will say flat out that was the only time I can ever remember being reprimanded for being too productive (making people look bad was the given reason). The only area where unions should be fully protected is public service where safety is a concern, e.g. police, fire, etc., because those protections are needed (e.g. a hostile superior could deliberately place someone in situations of elevated risk just to expose them to greater chance of harm).
Likewise for ideologies....privately support whatever ideology you like....however, as soon as your ideology comes into conflict with our laws/culture and becomes active (e.g. communism, human sacrifice/satanism, sharia law, death to America, etc.), then either the ideology or practitioners need to go, no exceptions.
As for the last item, campaign/contribute however people want...However, journalism ethics and libel laws need to be in effect, with violations dealt with severely - either a part of the process or reporting on the process, but not both. I firmly believe we would not be in the shitstorm we're in without the unrelenting information warefare being perpetuated by the MSM and dept of education, which may in fact be the highest crimes, and deserving of the harshest penalties. If the media just reports facts (as they appear at the time) without the underlying anti-American bias, and schools ran an honest curriculum (without altering historical facts or deliberate marxist indoctrination), then nobody would fall for their bullshit...Also, deliberately lying on the campaign trail should be cause for dismissal and charges for elected officials. One last item here, if part of a campaign strategy involves attempting to displace the American voters with foreign transplants (as opposed to making a convincing argument to the existing population, because their goals are antithetical to our society/wellbeing/etc.), then the responsible party/parties should be tried for treason (if possible) and executed....
Thats all I have for now....
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Real Satanists do not practice, endorse or condone any form of sacrifice, be it human or animal.
Or any illegal behaviour, for that matter.
Bored teenagers, on the other hand, may act differently.
http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-beliefs.php
Aardvark
11-13-2016, 09:45
all talk aside....PRESIDENT TRUMP. I just can't say that without a smile.
all talk aside....PRESIDENT TRUMP. I just can't say that without a smile.
I know what you mean.
I still have reservations but I am THOROUGHLY ELATED that Trump won.
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww162/GrumpyBiker_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/66B4C051-BF0E-49B6-A812-09D68FA6E654_zpshsa6l1xz.jpg
Part of the 1st Amendment is me tolerating those bed-wetting communists holding the American flag.
bellavite1
11-13-2016, 10:07
Hell yeah!
all talk aside....PRESIDENT TRUMP. I just can't say that without a smile.
all talk aside....PRESIDENT TRUMP. I just can't say that without a smile.
I just can't say it without getting a little sick to my stomach.
Better than the alternative though. If I had to say "President Clinton" (again) I'd throw up in my mouth a bit.
They might have intentionally timed the transfer of power as well when the country was founded. I think long before their tears are immediately freezing to their face and they have to protest on top of three foot snowdrifts in Chicago and NY, suddenly the motivation to change the world will be lost [LOL]Social Justice panty-waisters are not generally known for "resilience".
I had the same thought.
Presidential inaugurations used to take place on March 4th, unless it was a Sunday. In 1937, the date was changed to January 20th through the 20th Amendment to the US Constitution.
March 4, 1789 is the day the U.S. Constitution took effect and this is the reason for the original inauguration date. Members of Congress begin their term on January 3rd, also changed from March by the 20th Amendment.
This date change by the 20th Amendment shortens the lame duck session of Congress and the Executive branch by moving the beginning of their terms closer to the election in November. Sorry, weather didn't have much impact on the choice of dates.
That perception (fully assisted by corrupt MSM) would undoubtedly be presented, but I say so what?
The way I figure, a large percentage of those who would perceive that in the most negative way are already lost causes for the most part and will remain as either active seditionists or passive commie supporters until they're no longer inflicting us with their existence (the latter could just wake up or GTFO and there would be no issue), are fully irrelevant except for consideration as traitors, seditionists, and potential enemy combatants, and in some cases very likely deserve their own personal appointment with the hangman...(there will also be some more rational disagreement, but that's just the way things are, and not a bad thing).
Also, for someone like Soros, I can't imaging a $500M fine being a critical setback, not when these people are up or down a billion dollars on any given day based on the market...
So, Prepare the case and full list of charges, live press conference to present to the world, and after reading the charges/condemnation, add in a live sat/bomber feed and incinerate their mansions/compounds/aircraft/etc. on live global TV. Wherever they are...period. and a follow-up message that we're done fucking around and that actively working to destroy our nation and incite global wars will carry the ultimate penalty, regardless of where or who they are.
Remember, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
[snip]
That $500M is for one person. One. If Soros succeeds in starting a conflict here that legal precedent would bury him, and uninstall his shitstain son as well. The Soros line stranglehold on the world would be broken. And it needs to be. I have nothing against wealthy people but Soros is 100% evil even before he had resources like this (WWII).
I believe there could be a time when it's morally acceptable to go after someone like Soros in an unprecedented manner but he'd have to get a lot of people killed first for Americans to shift their thinking. I believe our current framework of laws could be used as well depending on what happens.
The good news is that the perception of legitimacy has shifted from them to us so we should be very careful not to lose it. It might very be necessary to set the record straight on what's coming.
How critical religion is to the function of democracy (Professor Clay Christensen of the Harvard Business School);
[snip]
Good vid. I don't think everyone needs to have the same religion but at least respect the founding values. And that isn't the case anymore.
theGinsue
11-13-2016, 19:19
The Donald is on 60 Mnutes right now and said that any SCOTUS appointee he makes will be Pro Life & "very pro Second Amendment".
Promising.
The Donald is on 60 Mnutes right now and said that any SCOTUS appointee he makes will be Pro Life & "very pro Second Amendment".
Promising.
Very promising. Thanks for the update.
Great-Kazoo
11-13-2016, 19:33
The Donald is on 60 Mnutes right now and said that any SCOTUS appointee he makes will be Pro Life & "very pro Second Amendment".
Promising.
Can't tell you how disappointed i was then, as some will be down the road.
Look here's the facts (as i see it) While Donald my be "conservative" on some things. His time in NY says he's to the left of Hillary on others.
I'm not sure of Hillary was Jeb Bush in drag, or the other way around. Am i happy DT won, absolutely primarily for these 2 (3) words THE SUPREME COURT.
The other reason. it hopefully put an end to Hillarys existence in politics as we know it. Fuk her for believing she deserved to be president.
WTF? 2 sites overlap
I thought he did very well in the 60 Minutes interview.
I think he's economically conservative and socially moderate. I also think/hope that he's going to be focused on the fundamentals and not wasting time on the social issues.
ETA: Trump did state that he won't be taking the $400k salary for being President.
Havnt read whole thread. This is cool. http://truthfeed.com/breaking-video-trump-is-providing-police-officers-at-trump-protests-with-dinner/35361/
[snip]
ETA: Trump did state that he won't be taking the $400k salary for being President.
He should take it and add it back on his 1040 so when they go over his tax returns with a microscope, there sits $400,000 going back against the national debt.
$400,000 more than Soros, Buffet or any other wealth Lib donated to the cause.
Now, in 4 years, we wait for the liberal media to say "He never paid taxes on his presidential salary while in office!" and the entire left will eat it up. LOL. :P
StagLefty
11-14-2016, 12:13
67968
http://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-OBy4UjdKe0Y%2FWCj21f-ZXnI%2FAAAAAAAAgVo%2Fq78-SPqgY_8fPkmXpuQWIl1OiyRfxmMcQCLcB%2Fs1600%2FAF1.jp g&key=faj53Gzb2-B04KvrLBwFLg&w=800&h=309
If this happens it will be the biggest boost to our Military in decades!
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/19/politics/donald-trump-james-mattis-defense-secretary/index.html
From CNN
President-elect Donald Trump said on Sunday he was considering retired Marine Gen. James Mattis to serve as his secretary of defense.
"General James "Mad Dog" Mattis, who is being considered for Secretary of Defense, was very impressive yesterday. A true General's General!" Trump tweeted.
The two men met for a little over an hour Saturday afternoon in Bedminster, New Jersey. An official familiar with the transition process characterized it to CNN on Saturday as an important meeting.
Mattis can be considered a leading candidate for secretary of defense, the source said.
The source cautioned it's not a done deal but said Trump has been extremely impressed with Mattis' resume and what he's heard about him from others and at this stage is leaning in that direction.
Asked by reporters if he would choose Mattis to lead the Defense Department, Trump said, "All I can say is he is the real deal. He is the real deal."
In Mattis, Trump has a candidate who was held in high regard throughout the ranks of the Marine Corps during his 44 years of service. A seasoned combat commander, he led a task force into southern Afghanistan in 2001 and a Marine division at the time of the Iraq invasion in 2003.
The retired four-star general, who was known as "Mad Dog," was lauded for his leadership of Marines in the 2004 Battle of Falluja in Iraq -- one of the bloodiest of the war.
But he attracted controversy in 2005 when he said "it's fun to shoot some people" while addressing service members in San Diego.
He also served as a commander of a major NATO strategic command, Allied Command Transformation, in Norfolk, Virginia.
Mattis, known as a plain-spoken leader well-liked by his Marines, was later promoted to run US Central Command in 2010 -- a post that gave him command responsibility for all US forces in the Middle East. He also was an outspoken critic of the Iran nuclear deal.
But should Trump decide to choose Mattis for the Pentagon, his 2013 retirement would create at least one hurdle: A retired officer is required to be out of uniform for at least seven years before taking control of the sprawling Pentagon responsibilities.
Mattis would require a waiver from Congress to be eligible for the position -- something that, with Republicans in control on Capitol Hill and the general praise for the general's career, would likely be a formality to obtain.
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BushMasterBoy
11-20-2016, 12:21
Am I being recalled to active duty? I could use the $400,000!
Am I being recalled to active duty? I could use the $400,000!
I think he's required to take at least $1...so is $399,999.99 OK? [Coffee]
Mattis as SecDef!? That would be amazing so long as he stay himself.
Mattis as SecDef!? That would be amazing so long as he stay himself.
I don't know, going from 4 Star to Sec Def might get to his head. [emoji6]
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As long as he stays Mad Dog and doesn't go all Bartles and Jaymes.
(From a Military Times interview with Mattis)
In September, he told Military Times that he is particularly concerned about civilian policy-makers making changes to the military to advance social policies.
“We are liable to find ourselves paying the cost on a battlefield that we do not want to pay,” Mattis said. “There is no God-given right to victory on the battlefield. You win that through the skill and the devotion, the valor and the ferocity of your troops. You have to be very, very careful, I think, if this gap grows, and it surely will. We have to be very careful that we do not undercut the military battlefield effectiveness with shortsighted social programs.”
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osok-308
11-21-2016, 17:42
Mattis as SecDef!? That would be amazing so long as he stay himself.
+1 if he stays himself, he'd be an amazing secretary of defense.
This is great. Trump is bypassing the media to get his message out-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8
It looks like this might be a regular thing.
StagLefty
11-22-2016, 09:05
This is great. Trump is bypassing the media to get his message out-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8
It looks like this might be a regular thing.
Yeah Donald !!! Great move on the corrupt media.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3960644/Trump-NOT-purse-investigations-Hillary-Donald-Trump-help-heal-s-good-thing.html
So apparently Hillary gets a pass?
Getting away with continued crimes does not help anyone heal. Mercy is not divorced from Justice, but a recognition of fault and the decreasing or forgiving of the penalty. As such, this is not mercy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLoRXsQAUac
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3960644/Trump-NOT-purse-investigations-Hillary-Donald-Trump-help-heal-s-good-thing.html
So apparently Hillary gets a pass?
Getting away with continued crimes does not help anyone heal. Mercy is not divorced from Justice, but a recognition of fault and the decreasing or forgiving of the penalty. As such, this is not mercy.
Apparently there are more important things to consider. Give Trump some time and we'll see what happens. Given her aliments Hillary probably won't be around for too much longer.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161122/e1033ba87948d9835b373d145df40574.jpg
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https://youtu.be/ILqedI11UQw
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Great-Kazoo
11-22-2016, 23:48
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3960644/Trump-NOT-purse-investigations-Hillary-Donald-Trump-help-heal-s-good-thing.html
So apparently Hillary gets a pass?
Getting away with continued crimes does not help anyone heal. Mercy is not divorced from Justice, but a recognition of fault and the decreasing or forgiving of the penalty. As such, this is not mercy.
Odds are a deal was struck after the debacle the D's suffered election night. Hillary agrees to concede, not contest at any time the electoral results and she does not get prosecuted.
Be the easiest way to remove clinton from politics, Permanently
http://anodtothegods.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/tumblr_ogdkebp0T01tb3eifo1_1280.jpg
Odds are a deal was struck after the debacle the D's suffered election night. Hillary agrees to concede, not contest at any time the electoral results and she does not get prosecuted.
Be the easiest way to remove clinton from politics, Permanently
Strong possibility given how things played out. Initially Podesta took the stage to say they were waiting until tomorrow to concede, then Hillary made the call to Trump. At ~1:30AM I thought they were leaving the door open for another 2000. But then conceded. I was surprised.
Also possible is that the transition is incredibly fragile and deals are being made to ensure things go smoothly. An honest investigation of Clinton would lead back to Obama.
But one thing I don't agree with is that Hillary (or Bill) have been removed from politics. Chelsea and her hedge-fund-failure husband have no other means to survive than through Clintonesque graft.
Odds are a deal was struck after the debacle the D's suffered election night. Hillary agrees to concede, not contest at any time the electoral results and she does not get prosecuted.
Be the easiest way to remove clinton from politics, Permanently
I guess we'll see. Or maybe he's just laying low until he can go full Nuremberg on her. I'd like the hanging to be on national television.
If you guys think Trump's really going after Hillary you're deluding yourself. Since the election he's flip-flopped more than any GOP candidate in recent history. Wouldn't be surprised if he turns a blind authoritarian, narcissistic eye towards 2A limitations too. As a reminder, strongmen don't like the populace having guns. (https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russians-their-guns-and-the-state-52720)
If you guys think Trump's really going after Hillary you're deluding yourself. Since the election he's flip-flopped more than any GOP candidate in recent history. Wouldn't be surprised if he turns a blind authoritarian, narcissistic eye towards 2A limitations too. As a reminder, strongmen don't like the populace having guns. (https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russians-their-guns-and-the-state-52720)
Highly possible. That being said, what GOP candidate in recent history was worth much more than the Democrats anyway?
Highly possible. That being said, what GOP candidate in recent history was worth much more than the Democrats anyway?
Bush let AWB '94 sunset. Dems had wanted a renewal.
When the Beltway Sniper hysteria hit, he and his admin made it about terrorism not guns.
The Roberts's Court gave us Heller and MacDonald. And while we still have that Court, Obama pressured the Court violating its autonomy.
I'm no Bush cheerleader but the difference on gun rights was significant compared to the last eight years.
Bailey Guns
11-23-2016, 18:06
Bush let AWB '94 sunset. Dems had wanted a renewal.
No...congress let it sunset (as was written into the law). Bush said he'd sign a renewal/extension if one was sent to his desk.
And in answer to the "Republicans = Democrats"...I think that's just nonsense. For a lot of the same reasons Skip mentioned. Granted, republicans certainly have their issues. But they're generally a damn sight better than democrats. I would've taken 4 years of Romney over the last 4 years of Obama any day.
The left is still making a big deal about the popular vote. Clinton now has more than 2 million votes than Trump. This might be important for those that aren't educated in how our system actually works.
So...California really, really, really wanted Clinton. Whoopty friggin' do!
No...congress let it sunset (as was written into the law). Bush said he'd sign a renewal/extension if one was sent to his desk.
And in answer to the "Republicans = Democrats"...I think that's just nonsense. For a lot of the same reasons Skip mentioned. Granted, republicans certainly have their issues. But they're generally a damn sight better than democrats. I would've taken 4 years of Romney over the last 4 years of Obama any day.
There's more to life than guns and taxes, my beef is with the praxis
For starters, there's that little war, and a made up evil axis
What changed from 94, to September in '01?
An excuse, good sir, that's all it was
And on the world stage, it produced an epistaxis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY
The Republican party can only appear conservative because of how far down the crapper America has gone morally and socially. From Bush 1 and 2, to Allen West talking a big game and going up the hill to crumple under the weight of DC, they have no love from me. They're better than the Democrats, yes. But losing an arm is better than losing both. It doesn't make the loss of the arm per se good.
Bailey Guns
11-23-2016, 19:35
The Republican party can only appear conservative because of how far down the crapper America has gone morally and socially. From Bush 1 and 2, to Allen West talking a big game and going up the hill to crumple under the weight of DC, they have no love from me. They're better than the Democrats, yes. But losing an arm is better than losing both. It doesn't make the loss of the arm per se good.
I don't disagree and that's exactly what I said. But, that's basically the only viable choices we have with our system right now, whether we like it or disagree with it, or not.
Hey...at least with republicans I still have an arm.
There's more to life than guns
[snip]
No.
I'm fairly convinced guns are the only thing keeping us from going full-tilt Communist/totalitarian. That is why for the last eight years rifles have been targeted. Rifles win wars. Anyone concerned with gun violence would be fixed on handguns. And they aren't. They want a monopoly on violence so they can do nasty but necessary (in their shared mind) things.
Take a trip out to social media, read the anger/hatred, and tell me I'm wrong. And while I really do hope I'm wrong, it wouldn't surprise me in the least for us to find ourselves in a might makes right reality very soon.
Great-Kazoo
11-23-2016, 20:39
I guess we'll see. Or maybe he's just laying low until he can go full Nuremberg on her. I'd like the hanging to be on national television.
IF he announced there would be charges, prior to being sworn in. Obama could pardon her. In effect putting any investigations, current or future along with serious charges of treason etc dead in the water.
I don't disagree and that's exactly what I said. But, that's basically the only viable choices we have with our system right now, whether we like it or disagree with it, or not.
Hey...at least with republicans I still have an arm.
I agree to the extent that I voted for Trump. My stance is most in line with the Constitution Party, though they are not viable at the present. What I'd like to see is rather than the pushing of a party per se, the pushing of principles within a viable host, a la the same thing the Communists did with the Democrats. I believe the Tea Party movement tried, but it was too vocal too fast and got squashed by the neo-cons.
This is the Republican Party stance from 1956: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838
It's almost unrecognizable in the Republican party today.
Here's the Constitution Party platform: http://www.constitutionparty.com/assets/National-Platform-Full-Version.pdf
It's much more in line with what America was supposed to be, could be, should be.
No.
I'm fairly convinced guns are the only thing keeping us from going full-tilt Communist/totalitarian. That is why for the last eight years rifles have been targeted. Rifles win wars. Anyone concerned with gun violence would be fixed on handguns. And they aren't. They want a monopoly on violence so they can do nasty but necessary (in their shared mind) things.
Take a trip out to social media, read the anger/hatred, and tell me I'm wrong. And while I really do hope I'm wrong, it wouldn't surprise me in the least for us to find ourselves in a might makes right reality very soon.
And the man who gives up his arms because the government tells him to deserves the jackboot which will be placed on his neck. Republicans are by no means our friends on guns.
Here's their official position: http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Republican_Party_Gun_Control.htm
It's basically fluff.
Here's at least one Republican's stance on guns: http://thehill.com/regulation/284792-house-republicans-pushing-gun-control-bill
No due process, no conviction and yet, no guns. Hrm.
Here's a Pew report on Republican vs Democrat views (note, this is registered Republicans, not necessarily Politicians): http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/08/pew-gun-study
Support of across the board BGC, Federal Database, and ban on "assault style" weapons (whatever the hell those are)... Will Republican voters really be our friends? Not based on those survey responses.
More: http://www.voanews.com/a/sickened-by-silence-capitol-hill-democrats-push-for-gun-control/3376531.html
King (R), from NY... Republican. Supports denial of self-defense rights to people convicted of nothing, not charged, and who have no real recourse.
Reagan, that paragon of Republican nostalgia: http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Ronald_Reagan_Gun_Control.htm
http://theweek.com/articles/582926/how-ronald-reagan-learned-love-gun-control
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Gun-Rights-Ronald-Reagan.htm (GCA 1968 upholding w/ 86 law, encouraged passing of ban on "assault weapons" post-presidency, etc.)
I could go on and on. The Republican party is no friend. They just sell us down the river at a slower pace.
IF he announced there would be charges, prior to being sworn in. Obama could pardon her. In effect putting any investigations, current or future along with serious charges of treason etc dead in the water.
Yes. Though, Obama was quoted on another issue of saying he could not pardon someone not convicted of a crime. He did however pardon some turkeys today for the crime of being responsible for tomorrow's food coma.
Bailey Guns
11-23-2016, 23:43
I agree to the extent that I voted for Trump. My stance is most in line with the Constitution Party, though they are not viable at the present. What I'd like to see is rather than the pushing of a party per se, the pushing of principles within a viable host, a la the same thing the Communists did with the Democrats. I believe the Tea Party movement tried, but it was too vocal too fast and got squashed by the neo-cons.
This is the Republican Party stance from 1956: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838
It's almost unrecognizable in the Republican party today.
Here's the Constitution Party platform: http://www.constitutionparty.com/assets/National-Platform-Full-Version.pdf
It's much more in line with what America was supposed to be, could be, should be.
Yeah...that's fine and dandy and all that jazz. Seriously...I don't disagree. I'm not the guy you need to convince...it's the other 200 million registered voters. But, with the system we have, what does it really mean? It means we do the best we can and work for change how we can. That's it.
In my opinion, at least at this point, we've made a fantastic change from where we could've been had Clinton been elected. Not ideal by any means. But it's better. And it's the best we could've hoped for under the circumstances.
Martinjmpr
11-24-2016, 10:20
Yes. Though, Obama was quoted on another issue of saying he could not pardon someone not convicted of a crime. He did however pardon some turkeys today for the crime of being responsible for tomorrow's food coma.
Ford pardoned Nixon even though he was never charged. ;)
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I could go on and on. The Republican party is no friend. They just sell us down the river at a slower pace.
I agree the GOP isn't perfect but like I said the difference between the Republicans and Democrats is significant.
We just went through a two year period where all Dems were screaming was "ban scary guns" and the GOP blocked it. Orlando, San Bernardino, etc... The GOP was the party of "NO!" that we needed them to be.
And although Trump is certainly not a traditional Republican, his win has taken gun control off the table. Notice as well the high profile shootings have seem to be on pause? The media has stopped talking up gun violence which I believe has been a message to mass murderers on how they make themselves relevant.
There are certainly improvements to be made. And even though some Republicans have said they want to be reasonable (compromise) we're all aware gun rights will ultimately be decided the USSC and not some Senator looking to win an election.
Great-Kazoo
11-24-2016, 11:10
the losing side is asking for recounts in "swing states" I posted on the leftist sites.
I Agree to a recount
Providing every voter in contested states shows a Valid I.D. This way we can verify no outside forces tried to sway the election. OOPS that went over well.
Once again showing how tolerant they are
Jill Stein and the Green Party has raised enough to file for a recount in Wisconsin.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-green-party-raises-enough-funds-wisconsin-recount-142830952.html
Great-Kazoo
11-24-2016, 23:25
https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-experts-believe-swing-state-095745950.html
I called it to a T! Now they are trying to infer that Russia hacked the election, just as predicted. [beatdeadhorse]
They seem to forget Hillary Conceded. IF the election were to be overturned. The media thinks there are protest now........................
https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-experts-believe-swing-state-095745950.html
I called it to a T! Now they are trying to infer that Russia hacked the election, just as predicted. [beatdeadhorse]
So they can see Russian hackers from their house?
They seem to forget Hillary Conceded. IF the election were to be overturned. The media thinks there are protest now........................
I've been saying this since the talk of nullifying the election results/eliminating the electoral college/recount/etc. HRC conceded. What kind of a messed up precedence would that set if this tomfoolery were allowed? "Sure, you can concede now, but we'll just contest the results through the rest of November even if the President-Elect is already working on the transition and gearing up for cabinet appointments." I haven't seen Hillary go to a press conference and say she's willing to no longer accept the results. To hell with our current system, let's just throw it all out and let the inmates run the asylum.
milwaukeeshaker
11-27-2016, 21:33
Ding dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch, the mean ole witch, ding dong the wicked witch is DEAD! Good riddance beatch.
Zundfolge
11-27-2016, 22:49
The giant "ifs" are this. IF they can swing Wisconsin AND Pennsylvania AND Michigan back to Hillary with recounts she wins. Anything less than all three and the election goes to Congress who will give it to Trump.
My prediction is that there will only be recounts in Wisconsin and Michigan (and considering how good Dems are rigging recounts I'd put the chances at about 50% that they flip WI and 70% that they flip Michigan. I'm sure they'll find "Missing" votes in the trunks of cars like they did to get Al Franken in to the senate. Trump's lead is only 22,000 votes in WI and 17,000 in MI). But I don't believe there will be a recount in Pennsylvania (and if there is his lead is big enough there that I put their chances of flipping the state at less than 20% considering Trump's 70,000 vote lead there)
The best they really can hope for is to undermine the legitimacy and mandate of Trump's victory like they did to Bush in 2000. Which would likely have stuck if the Dem's fellow travelers from Saudi didn't pull those shenanigans in NYC and DC.
The final IF is IF the dems manage to pull this off. IF that happens and we as citizens don't immediately call for the violent overthrow of the Federal government and public execution of everyone involved, then we deserve the death, and slavery coming our way.
Great-Kazoo
11-27-2016, 23:41
My question to the RECOUNT NOW crowd is.... If there concern was real and not put up. Why are you not going after recounts in states with closer totals? Seriously, if the "Russians Hacked" the machines. Why those 2-3 states and not hard core dem strongholds, like NY,MA AND CA.
Because those were the easiest to hack... i'm told [facepalm]
Honestly I don't think this is going to amount to anything... .All the articles I've read quoting the Hillary camp and the white house have said that there is NO evidence of any tampering.
Instead I think this is further de-legitimize Trump's presidency.
I think this is about sending the election to congress to vote Trump in .
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time Pthis happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.
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Over the past couple of days we’ve written numerous times about Jill Stein’s recount efforts in WI, MI and PA (see here (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/mysterious-case-jill-steins-surging-recount-costs), here (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/its-official-jill-stein-files-petition-wisconsin-recount) and here (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-26/even-obama-slams-steins-recounts-results-accurately-reflect-will-american-people)). And while it’s clear that Stein intends to move forward with recounts in all three states (she’s now up to $6.1mm in donations), what is unclear, and quite perplexing, is exactly why she’s pursuing these recounts in the first place. Here are the potential justifications from Stein’s perspective, as we see them:
Personal self-interest? – Obviously, No. With less than 1% of the vote in WI, MI and PA, Stein obviously has no shot of winning any of the states in question.
Hopes of recount tipping states to Hillary? – No. Multiple experts and even Hillary campaign insiders have admitted that overturning election results with a margin of victory of several 1,000 votes is extremely unlikely. To win, Hillary would have to flip WI, MI and PA even though she trails by ~20k, ~12k and ~70k votes in each of those states, respectively…not going to happen.
Exposing voting machine hacking? – No. Even the Obama administration has confirmed the the election was “free and fair from a cybersecurity perspective” and that votes “accurately reflect the will of the American people.” By failing to present even a shred of evidence of vote tampering in her WI recount petition, instead choosing to focus on wild conspiracy theories, Stein effectively also admits that there was no “hacking” of voting machines.
Fundraising scam to get millions in donations from disaffected Hillary voters? – Maybe. As of right now, Stein has raised ~$6mm of the $7mm she says she needs to fund recount efforts. Assuming Stein goes through with recounts in all three states and her cost estimates are reasonably accurate then she won’t really have that much money left over to be added to the general Green Party coffers.
https://straightlinelogic.com/
Zundfolge
11-28-2016, 09:30
Hopes of recount tipping states to Hillary?
Didn't she also say throughout her campaign that a Hillary victory would mean we all die in a nuclear war with Russia and that as bad as Trump is at least we don't all die?
My money is on the money ... she's run for president twice now as the Green candidate and runnin' ain't cheap (especially when you keep loosing). She wants to make some of this foolishly wasted money back.
And the reason she's getting so many lefties to support her in this is because it undermines Trump's "mandate".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW85ZcswiqM
Aloha_Shooter
12-02-2016, 09:37
As Trump announces his cabinet picks -- including "Mad Dog" for SecDef -- I am happy to admit I was wrong about Trump being a plant and questioning his conservativism. I still think he is more of a liberal than conservative in some areas but he is striking exactly the right tone (to me) and getting Carrier to reverse their plant decision before he's even inaugurated shows he means business.
The whining and obfuscation last night at Harvard by Clinton's campaign manager is just gravy for my meal. For the liberals, it should be red-eye gravy but I'm sure they'll opt for something like Bernaise ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP30E1eWXXI
My question to the RECOUNT NOW crowd is.... If there concern was real and not put up. Why are you not going after recounts in states with closer totals? Seriously, if the "Russians Hacked" the machines. Why those 2-3 states and not hard core dem strongholds, like NY,MA AND CA.
Because those were the easiest to hack... i'm told [facepalm]
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/57f99bf33b451582e5c2c03219b39c77.jpg
The Recount effort seems like an expertly-played troll of bleeding heart liberals by a cadre of lawyers. They're probably laughing all the way to the bank.
The Recount effort seems like an expertly-played troll of bleeding heart liberals by a cadre of lawyers. They're probably laughing all the way to the bank.
[Beer]
Where's Trump clamoring for a recall? We cannot allow a recall gap!
Great-Kazoo
12-02-2016, 22:55
Where's Trump clamoring for a recall? We cannot allow a recall gap!
That another Levi Strauss store?
That another Levi Strauss store?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y
Great-Kazoo
12-03-2016, 00:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y
You're gonna have to answer to Coca- Cola
http://anodtothegods.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/theo5.jpg
Too bad, so sad....
The Latest: Federal judge agrees to end Michigan recount (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-latest-federal-judge-agrees-to-end-michigan-recount/ar-AAlgkZi?li=BBnb7Kz)
A federal judge who ordered Michigan to start recounting presidential votes has dropped his decision, effectively ending a second look at ballots statewide.
Judge Mark Goldsmith acted Wednesday night, a day after the state appeals court said the Green Party candidate isn't eligible to seek a recount of millions of vote cast Nov. 8.
Earlier Wednesday, the Michigan elections board said the recount would end if Goldsmith extinguished his earlier order.
It was Goldsmith's midnight ruling Monday that started the recount in Michigan. But his order dealt with timing — not whether a recount was appropriate. More than 20 counties so far are recounting ballots, and some are finished.
The state appeals court said Tuesday that Jill Stein doesn't qualify as an "aggrieved" candidate under state law because she got only 1 percent of the Michigan vote and can't win with a recount. Stein is appealing to the Michigan Supreme Court.
Stein may be appealing to the Michigan Supreme Court, but they would be the only ones who find her appealing. [LOL]
I wonder what the loony left will look forward to after December 19th?
Circuits
12-07-2016, 23:53
Stein may be appealing to the Michigan Supreme Court, but they would be the only ones who find her appealing. [LOL]
I wonder what the loony left will look forward to after December 19th?
Crackpot hope that on 1/3 either the new congress will decertify all the republican EC votes, or try a cray-cray parliamentary move (that won't work) to confirm Merrick Garland to SCOTUS before certifying the new class of Senators.
Stein may be appealing to the Michigan Supreme Court, but they would be the only ones who find her appealing. [LOL]
I wonder what the loony left will look forward to after December 19th?
Shades of Adlai Stevenson's famous quip, sir?
Democrats, RINOs lose their minds.
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/12/electors-intelligence-briefing-demand/
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/12/trump-lawyers-intervene-colorado-lawsuit-free-electors/
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-12/mcconnell-backs-cia-despite-trump-s-attacks-over-hacking-probe
Recounts appear to be finished or blocked by judges who know better, no joy for Dems. So it looks like they've moved on to trying to subvert the EC with concerns about Russian hacking. I've been trying to find precise details on what the CIA claims was hacked and can only reference to email hacking.
ETA: "National Emergency!"
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/cnns-stelter-trump-win-national-emergency/
Every headline I've seen says something along the lines of "Russia tried to influence elections for a Trump victory." *(bolding is mine).
Tried? Big deal. That doesn't affect the legitimacy of the election.
Every headline I've seen says something along the lines of "Russia tried to influence elections for a Trump victory." *(bolding is mine).
Tried? Big deal. That doesn't affect the legitimacy of the election.
Exactly.
And of course the selective lack of reporting on every election in history in which some external party had an interest in our elections. Not to mention Obama directly meddling in elections (Israel, Egypt [Arab Spring] come to mind).
Previously today (and yesterday) headlines were worded to make it sound like Russia directly hacked the vote. That has now changed so they are backing off that claim.
Great-Kazoo
12-12-2016, 18:58
Every headline I've seen says something along the lines of "Russia tried to influence elections for a Trump victory." *(bolding is mine).
Tried? Big deal. That doesn't affect the legitimacy of the election.
Not as much as the Dems TRYING to overturn the 2016 vote. BUT... BUT... BUT... That Dano is a classic true believer on the DP comments section
They are acting like Wikileaks is a Russian front as well. That is how they are claiming the influence.
If the Russians hacked the vote then prove it otherwise its....whats the phrase sombody?? Oh right, I remember Fake News! Gasps!!
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
C'mon guys. It's anything but their candidate and their agenda. They were embarrassed by the election and are still in denial. They say it's the Russians and you can't prove that it wasn't. That's empirical evidence to a liberal.
All The Countries That ‘Interfered’ In The Election… For Hillary Clinton… (http://www.weaselzippers.us/313039-all-the-countries-that-interfered-in-the-election-for-hillary-clinton/)
http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-11-at-8.37.07-PM-1024x516.png
Great-Kazoo
12-13-2016, 07:08
The "protesters" at trump tower look like off hour hipsters and the I won an award crowd. Couldn't get close enough to snap a pic. Or as I told one of the cops, a bunch of well dressed homeless looking for a handout.
The "protesters" at trump tower look like off hour hipsters and the I won an award crowd. Couldn't get close enough to snap a pic. Or as I told one of the cops, a bunch of well dressed homeless looking for a handout.
You in the big shitty?
Be careful. If you see NYPD draw down on those hippies, run! They might shoot you (they don't mean to though).
Great-Kazoo
12-13-2016, 12:24
You in the big shitty?
Be careful. If you see NYPD draw down on those hippies, run! They might shoot you (they don't mean to though).
I'm in a different area, plus, having family in blue in da city, they got me as close as needed.
I'm in a different area, plus, having family in blue in da city, they got me as close as needed.
Well take them to the range then. Maybe it will bring up NYPD's stats!
Zundfolge
12-13-2016, 14:13
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ajqZLq8_460s.jpg
^ [ROFL2]
I love that. Nothing screams Russian Operative! more than Donna Brazile. And we must assume there other conspirators at CNN as well. This probably goes to the very top!
DavieD55
12-14-2016, 00:40
Published on Oct 18, 2016
Pres. Obama: "I’d advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7F7eRM1oiU
Published on Oct 18, 2016
Pres. Obama: "I’d advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.
The (D) never listens to or acts on its own advice.
Zundfolge
12-14-2016, 10:47
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/russian-hackers-more-numerous-than-previously-thought-t19059.html
http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Trump_Russian_Hackers_West_Allis_WI.jpg
Well Comrades, we've been found out (side note, I never got my bottle of Staraya Marka from Comrade Vladimir).
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