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What does this election do for the future of firearms in America?
Staves off the assault on the 2nd amendment for 4 more years or until the (D) assumes power.
I hope it keeps ammo prices relatively uninflated
The SCOTUS appointments can have a lot to do with the future of 2A.
Depends on how long the liberal SCOTUS justices can hang in there. If one or two of them get replaced and it goes 6-3 or 7-2 with conservatives it could go a long way. All assuming Trump selects a constitutionally minded person and the Senate approves though.
Yeah, I took a big sigh of relief this morning. The panic should hold off for 4 years and we can go back to building what we want versus what may not be available.
Scanker19
11-09-2016, 14:20
I don't care about guns right now. I have 10 cases of Madam President shirts. What am I suppose to do?
Martinjmpr
11-09-2016, 14:23
Well, there go my plans to fund my upcoming sidecar build by selling my AR at double the price I paid. [facepalm]
Thanks, Hillary! [Rant1]
In all seriousness, with the R's in control of Congress it seems unlikely that we will see any significant gun control at the Federal level.
OTOH The Donald is notoriously thin skinned and susceptible to criticism and the next time there is a mass shooting the news media and the other liberal "opinion makers" will be demanding that he DO SOMETHING!!!!!! [panic]
And my fear is that I'm not convinced that he has any real ideological "Center" to keep him from enacting what will be characterized as "reasonable" gun control measures now that he no longer needs the NRA or Republicans in general in order to do what he wants.
Any further action on gun control measures will probably continue to happen at State level.
Zundfolge
11-09-2016, 14:25
I don't care about guns right now. I have 10 cases of Madam President shirts. What am I suppose to do?
https://www.cromagnontargets.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRy2ac8-aPU
I don't care about guns right now. I have 10 cases of Madam President shirts. What am I suppose to do?
Send em to Haiti
funkymonkey1111
11-09-2016, 14:27
Hopefully we can get 7n6 and Russian rifles again
whitewalrus
11-09-2016, 14:28
Keeps the prices down and availability there until a change in the government.
I agree with foxtrot, Obama has been the best salesman the gun industry had. Now there isn't as big of a rush to stock up before it may be banned.
whitewalrus
11-09-2016, 14:30
I don't care about guns right now. I have 10 cases of Madam President shirts. What am I suppose to do?
Cut them into small pieces and use them to clean your guns?
Send em to Haiti
That'd be more than then Clinton Foundation sent to Haiti.
HoneyBadger
11-09-2016, 14:51
I hope it keeps ammo prices relatively uninflated
dammitwhyisn'tmyspacebarworking??
EDIT:
...And now my spacebar works just fine...
I would expect ammo prices to rise and availability to drop a bit for the next few months because Commiefornia will require background checks (and I think a 10-day waiting period) on ammo starting 1 Jan 2017. By March, I think the demand will be quite low and the market will be flooded.
Hey, Maybe I can make some money selling ammo before 1 Jan? :D
2nd edit: Apparently, I need a license to sell more than 50 rounds of "hunting ammunition" or any amount of (non-hunting?) ammunition in CA now. What a freaking joke!
.22LR and anything 3Gun or Precision will be fine for a few months. The rest of the market will go to crickets in short order. The pipeline is full and there is no upside short term.
Suppressor sales will slack considerably while people pitch for the HPA to pass and when it does, that will be the hot market for at least 3-4 years.
Since Trump has already said all the EOs go bye-bye, BPTactical should be able to start back up in a few months.
I see a lot of gun manufacturers hurting and or going bankrupt within 2 years time. However, in that same time period, projects, innovation and ideas sitting on the sidelines will come back and put a nice boost back into the market in a few years.
The training market should improve as threats and protests increase and the moderate gun owners get scared into actually learning how to use their firearms.
I would expect ammo prices to rise and availability to drop a bit for the next few months because Commiefornia
Only if suppliers stop sending trucks to online retailers to maximize sales to CA. No one ships ammo there, so those of us with computers will likely be OK for the next two months.
RblDiver
11-09-2016, 18:10
I'll give Trump the benefit of the doubt and hope it means they're on a good path. I am hesitant since in the past he had statements saying things like Obama speaks for us all at Newtown, but again, I'll give him a fair shot to prove my fears wrong.
HoneyBadger
11-09-2016, 18:26
I'll give Trump the benefit of the doubt and hope it means they're on a good path. I am hesitant since in the past he had statements saying things like Obama speaks for us all at Newtown, but again, I'll give him a fair shot to prove my fears wrong.
As I posted earlier on another forum:
I'll hold back the "I told you so" comments and accusations for at least a few years. They need a chance to prove that they aren't just more of the same corrupt nonsense that we've dealt with (with a Republican-controlled Congress, too!) for the last few years.
TEAMRICO
11-09-2016, 19:41
I don't care about guns right now. I have 10 cases of Madam President shirts. What am I suppose to do?
Make them Happy Rags....if you can keep it up and not picture her face!
OR they would make good gun cleaning rags.
I am thankful to Obama for increasing interest in guns and shooting sports for many more people than would have happened without him. We as shooters have shortages because many more people are interested in guns and that’s a good thing for the long run. We will get a reprieve from gun grabbers for only a short time because they will want to paint Trump as not caring about people dying as soon as they can. Republican presidents have enacted several gun control measures in the past. It will be interesting to see how Trump handles the pressure to do gun control.
In the short run it may be a good time to sell Smith & Wesson and Ruger stock if you have any, likely going to go down.
Aloha_Shooter
11-09-2016, 20:32
If we could just get Kennedy and Ginsberg to retire in the next year ...
Great-Kazoo
11-09-2016, 21:12
The future of guns in America.
Well to kind of quote the wife.
Just because we don't need to worry about them now. Doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about them later.
Trump is a worse RINO than McMitch and crowd. If it was politically prudent for him to sign some form of gun restrictive legislation. I would not put it past him to do so.
With that said this was about the SCOTUS. So hopefully that new judge will keep if not improve the 2nd amendments status quo.
newracer
11-09-2016, 21:49
Trump details 2nd Amendment stance
http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2016/trump-releases-his-plan-for-2nd-amendment-leaves-millions-furious.html
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Honey Badger282.8
11-09-2016, 23:25
I don't care about guns right now. I have 10 cases of Madam President shirts. What am I suppose to do?
https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15027925_10153831421230981_8001460767834978181_n.j pg?oh=65d1c677779754eb2773eacb36f21d6d&oe=58C48DBE
Since Trump is all about Trump I just can't see what would be in it for him to have much to do with any sort of firearm related legislation.
I think he'll be busy working on deregulation and tax code changes so that he'll have something to gain.
Repeal of NFA, constitutional carry, and the lowest ammo prices in 30 years.
Hey, a guy can hope right?
Now is the time to challenge previous laws and pass new laws.
NFA items should be over the counter. There is no reason a suppressor shouldn't be able to be purchased over the counter
nationwide concealed carry permits.
Repeal a lot of import issues from other countries for firearms and hunting. Lots of people have polar bears they legally killed stuck up in Canada because the stroke of a pen. Trump Jr is a big time hunter and hopefully he will be a great advocate for correcting things the feel good liberals did wrong.
One of the names being talked about for Department of the Interior is Forrest Lucas. He is a great man, conservationists and hunter. If he gets that cabinet position, I believe there will be a lot of good change, but not on Defense/CCW issues.
As for CC, I am for a pre-emption law with mandated reciprocity, but not a nationwide CC permit. That would just be putting a noose around our necks when the Liberals get back in power.
I'd expect:
1) stable ammo prices. No major decreases except for a few military calibers that MIGHT be able to be imported again, subject to supply. Prices have been pretty low and I don't think most manufactures can get prices much lower. Imports could be a wild card here but in general I don't think Trump will be big on allowing imports without tariffs.
2) Stable prices on AR's and related. Some decreases in prices but limited.
3) More firearms from the CMP, including 1911's and M1 Carbines (some of my favorites)
4) OTC supressors, no more NFA one year wait times!
5) An ever increasing interest and increasing values in vintage guns. Increased interested in modern guns seems to push the interest in vintage guns.
I wonder if:
1) A national carry policy?
2) Reduced regs on parts imports, barrels and such.
3) Reduced regs on SBR's?
Bob
Lots of good thoughts here. #Murica
This looks promising - http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/09/five-fast-gun-law-reforms-president-trump-will-make/
This looks promising - http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/09/five-fast-gun-law-reforms-president-trump-will-make/
But is only one person's wish list that is not based on any stated policy or position. If you read some other articles of the author, you might downgrade the "promise."
DenverGP
11-10-2016, 14:02
Hopefully he will quickly address the recent "International Trade in Arms Regulations" crap.
Rucker61
11-10-2016, 14:28
Now is the time to challenge previous laws and pass new laws.
NFA items should be over the counter. There is no reason a suppressor shouldn't be able to be purchased over the counter
nationwide concealed carry permits.
Repeal a lot of import issues from other countries for firearms and hunting. Lots of people have polar bears they legally killed stuck up in Canada because the stroke of a pen. Trump Jr is a big time hunter and hopefully he will be a great advocate for correcting things the feel good liberals did wrong.
Given that Obama instructed federal agencies not to enforce laws on immigration and marijuana, couldn't Trump just instruct ATF, etc, not to prosecute NFA while new laws were being formulated?
Given that Obama instructed federal agencies not to enforce laws on immigration and marijuana, couldn't Trump just instruct ATF, etc, not to prosecute NFA while new laws were being formulated?
I wouldn't use Obama as a model of how the POTUS should conduct business even if I agree with the policy decision.
But is only one person's wish list that is not based on any stated policy or position. If you read some other articles of the author, you might downgrade the "promise."
I wouldn't say that it is just one person's wish list, much of it is very close to Trump's stated positions.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/constitution-and-second-amendment
Given that Obama instructed federal agencies not to enforce laws on immigration and marijuana, couldn't Trump just instruct ATF, etc, not to prosecute NFA while new laws were being formulated?
No need, we own all 3 branches. Jam it down the liberals throats, change the law to read ______. Sign it in and move on our way.
speaking of weed, I am curious to see what his viewpoint is from a federal standpoint and if the ATF will now focus on that and ICE will be getting a few new recruits?
Great-Kazoo
11-10-2016, 16:07
I wouldn't say that it is just one person's wish list, much of it is very close to Trump's stated positions.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/constitution-and-second-amendment
That was another promise / stance to get votes.
He's a business man. A smart business person gauges options to see what benefits them and their business investments. Should a bill come across his desk that would be in his best interest. Rest assured he would sign it.
That was another promise / stance to get votes.
He's a business man. A smart business person gauges options to see what benefits them and their business investments. Should a bill come across his desk that would be in his best interest. Rest assured he would sign it.
Someone send him a letter and tell him to buy ownership stakes in Silencer Shop or a suppressor manufacturer and then ram a bill through Congress that removes them from NFA? Sure it's a little underhanded, but I could see him going for it.
That was another promise / stance to get votes.
He's a business man. A smart business person gauges options to see what benefits them and their business investments. Should a bill come across his desk that would be in his best interest. Rest assured he would sign it.
Exactly.
He will do whatever he needs if it benefits him in the long run.
If he has nothing to gain I doubt it will interest him enough to do anything.
While it's all fun and games to hope and dream I don't see anything to do with firearms, the ATF, or whatever really making his priority list since he has nothing to gain from it.
Rucker61
11-10-2016, 17:27
Someone send him a letter and tell him to buy ownership stakes in Silencer Shop or a suppressor manufacturer and then ram a bill through Congress that removes them from NFA? Sure it's a little underhanded, but I could see him going for it.
Just give him shares in a silencer business.
Nobody knows whats going to happen. All we can do is wait and see what does happen. The only constant is that people freak out over the littlest things and start hoarding stuff excessively way too easily.
If Trump is true to his 'business man' label, I don't see him getting interested in anything like gun laws for a while. He'll be more interested in getting the gears of American business turning, i.e. lower taxes, fewer regulatory curbs, etc. Now is the time to fix the fundamentals since the results won't happen overnight.
If Trump is true to his 'business man' label, I don't see him getting interested in anything like gun laws for a while. He'll be more interested in getting the gears of American business turning, i.e. lower taxes, fewer regulatory curbs, etc. Now is the time to fix the fundamentals since the results won't happen overnight.
I agree, but if congress can get something like the HPA in front of him it's a way to say 'I'm the more pro 2nd pres in decades' without most liberals even realizing what changed.
If Trump is true to his 'business man' label, I don't see him getting interested in anything like gun laws for a while. He'll be more interested in getting the gears of American business turning, i.e. lower taxes, fewer regulatory curbs, etc. Now is the time to fix the fundamentals since the results won't happen overnight.
I agree, but if congress can get something like the HPA in front of him it's a way to say 'I'm the most pro 2nd pres in decades' without most liberals even realizing what changed.
Zundfolge
11-10-2016, 19:16
Trump has a history of being loyal to those that are loyal to him. The NRA and pro gun folk were very loyal to The Donald and as such his past performance shows that he's likely to be loyal back.
Add to that the fact that I think his two oldest sons are about as pro gun as most of us here and they'll constantly have his ear.
So I'm cautiously optimistic.
He might not have any interest in 2A issues, but his creation of a 62-person "second amendment coalition" sure as hell isn't a bad thing...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/03/trump-2nd-amendment-coalition/
He might not have any interest in 2A issues, but his creation of a 62-person "second amendment coalition" sure as hell isn't a bad thing...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/03/trump-2nd-amendment-coalition/
That list! Wow! I recognize a few names on there and I think this is going in the right direction.
I don't think we've ever had a President start an advocacy group for the Second Amendment (at least not in my lifetime).
Kind of ruined it for me at this:
gun manufacturers like Jesse James
I didn't see R. Lee Ermey on that list.
osok-308
11-10-2016, 21:34
I'd expect:
1) stable ammo prices. No major decreases except for a few military calibers that MIGHT be able to be imported again, subject to supply. Prices have been pretty low and I don't think most manufactures can get prices much lower. Imports could be a wild card here but in general I don't think Trump will be big on allowing imports without tariffs.
2) Stable prices on AR's and related. Some decreases in prices but limited.
3) More firearms from the CMP, including 1911's and M1 Carbines (some of my favorites)
4) OTC supressors, no more NFA one year wait times!
5) An ever increasing interest and increasing values in vintage guns. Increased interested in modern guns seems to push the interest in vintage guns.
I wonder if:
1) A national carry policy?
2) Reduced regs on parts imports, barrels and such.
3) Reduced regs on SBR's?
Bob
If even a few of these came to fruition, I'd be thrilled.
If even a few of these came to fruition, I'd be thrilled.
Me too, but my crystal ball has been broke the past few years so who knows!
DenverGP
11-10-2016, 21:46
I'll be saving aside some cash to be able to grab up an M1 if they happen to start allowing some of the overseas stockpiles back in.
SideShow Bob
11-10-2016, 21:48
My biggest hope is a reevaluation of the new ITAR regulations & a relaxing of them so that Bert can get back into the business.
Kind of ruined it for me at this:
There are some real clowns on that list, and some good ones. BUT, it was Trump Jr. that created the coalition. Cabinet and Directors, which should start to emerge next week, is where the rubber hits the road.
My biggest hope is a reevaluation of the new ITAR regulations & a relaxing of them so that Bert can get back into the business.
Yes, please!!!
Zundfolge
11-11-2016, 09:50
Kind of ruined it for me at this:
gun manufacturers like Jesse James
And this attitude is why the left has been kicking our ass for the last half century.
Politics is downstream from culture and Jesse James is a talented fabricator and self promoter that has spun his skills into a modicum of media and culture success and now he's discovered guns and the second amendment. His presence there will do more to bring people to our cause than 100 US representatives or stuffy old white guys in thousand dollar suits that collect 5 figure Italian trap shooting shotguns.
I’m not a Jesse James fan, but if he brings gun ownership to the public’s attention that’s a good thing. With Jesse and anybody famous you always run the risk that they will do something stupid and bring negative attention to gun’s. So as long as Jesse doesn’t step on his dick I have no problem with him in the gun business. If he influences just one more person in guns wouldn’t it be worth it.
And this attitude is why the left has been kicking our ass for the last half century.
Politics is downstream from culture and Jesse James is a talented fabricator and self promoter that has spun his skills into a modicum of media and culture success and now he's discovered guns and the second amendment. His presence there will do more to bring people to our cause than 100 US representatives or stuffy old white guys in thousand dollar suits that collect 5 figure Italian trap shooting shotguns.
I’m not a Jesse James fan, but if he brings gun ownership to the public’s attention that’s a good thing. With Jesse and anybody famous you always run the risk that they will do something stupid and bring negative attention to gun’s. So as long as Jesse doesn’t step on his dick I have no problem with him in the gun business. If he influences just one more person in guns wouldn’t it be worth it.
I will not dispute that he is a talented fabricator and a very colorful individual.
But did he find guns and the 2A, or did he find a another creative revenue avenue for his fab skills? I haven't seen any interviews with/about his feelings towards guns, and maybe he's legit on that front. I was just a bit put off by his over-the-top iteration of the AR format, which was ridiculously over-priced in my opinion. Maybe some of you found his designs aesthetically pleasing. If you did, that's fine with me. I did not.
My main beef was not with JJ, anyway. I just felt they could have put some more credible (in my opinion), proven gun manufacturers ahead of him in the list.
Carry on.
Zundfolge
11-11-2016, 12:15
But did he find guns and the 2A, or did he find a another creative revenue avenue for his fab skills?
A bit of both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV98Vo_TO5A
Jesse James interview at 7:00 to 17:00 (then stick around for the interview with Rob Bianchin ... who is the gun maker James wishes to be)
Thanks for that. I was going to try to look some things up tonight, but he seems to be sincere.
Circuits
11-11-2016, 13:47
I'm currently awaiting some new "Bigly" releases from our domestic firearms manufacturing companies.
Well played.
If you buy and sell stocks in your IRA/401K or other, might take a look and make some trades on the publically traded gun companies before it is too late...
Martinjmpr
11-11-2016, 17:44
I thought Jesse James was a has-been whose famed disappeared with the end of the stupid "Chopper" craze?
SideShow Bob
11-11-2016, 20:55
Didn't JJ get charged with domestic violence awhile back. Never heard the outcome, it must have been dropped, considering he is manufacturing firearms now.
Donald Trump Jr did an interview with Josh Waldron, president of SilencerCo. He is very supportive of the HPA, and the 2nd Amendment. Sr will listen to his sons.
DireWolf
11-12-2016, 19:41
Donald Trump Jr did an interview with Josh Waldron, president of SilencerCo. He is very supportive of the HPA, and the 2nd Amendment. Sr will listen to his sons.
Was just thinking about this, and the idea that maybe Nolo (the lawyer working the big F1 machinegun angle), could have a sit down with Jr., and possibly get some serious traction on that front also...
Maybe someone who posts on that other site will bring it up with him to look into....
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RE: HPA, Easy way to send a letter here:
http://americansuppressorassociation.com/hearing-protection-act/
RE: HPA, Easy way to send a letter here:
http://americansuppressorassociation.com/hearing-protection-act/
Got it. Thanks. Sent. Will disseminate to folks.
Aloha_Shooter
11-14-2016, 02:43
I don't care about guns right now. I have 10 cases of Madam President shirts. What am I suppose to do?
Sell them as environmentally friendly reusable diapers.
Great-Kazoo
11-14-2016, 09:18
Sell them as environmentally friendly reusable diapers.
Tear Wipes
When your butt's hurt and you don't have a dipe tm G-K ent
Sell them as environmentally friendly reusable diapers.
Include a safety pin. Market it as a Safe Spaces Kit.
Profit!
Sponsorships are getting cut, executives are switching jobs and some new companies are popping up.
FN just cut their pro team and several of my contacts there are moving to other companies. I have had two Sr. Firearms Designer job offers so far since the election. Three companies have closed their doors and another looks imminent. Those with, or pursuing .mil contracts have lifted hiring freezes. Sense seems to be that the fat is gone, better actually operate like a real business now.
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