"Pizzagate" Anybody else seeing this? [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

Joe_K

11-28-2016, 08:43

Disclaimer: I am not a conspiracy theorist, nor do I believe much of what is put out there by many of the folks reporting/writing/creating? this story.

Also this topic will result in either your stomach turning and you ignoring it, or you spending way too much time looking into it and your stomach turning even more.

The basic premise of the "Pizzagate" story/conspiracy/theory is as follows.

Hillary Clinton campaign emails uncovered by Wiki leaks showed several references to: pasta, cheese, cheese pizza, sauce, pizza, cheese pasta, and more similarly related words or phrases that were being used out of context, or at least in very strange ways not usually associated with food. The theory is these are code words to describe pedophilia, child trafficking, and other equally atrocious subjects.

The emails are linked to the following individuals;

Brothers Tony and John Podesta - Political campaigners and DC Insiders.

Hillary Clintons campaign staff.

James Alefentis - owner of a DC pizza parlor named Comet Ping Pong.

Google keywords: Pizzagate, Comet Ping Pong.

I personally don't believe that there is some gigantic conspiracy here, but if an organization like the Roman Catholic church can be plauged by this same kind of thing, then I dont doubt for a minute that members and groups within our morally bankrupt political system are involved in child corruption as well.

Snopes article debunking claim:

http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/

The Washington Post and New York Times have both ran stories calling the claims bogus.

So what do you all think? Is there nothing here? Definitely something going on?

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bryjcom

11-28-2016, 08:51

I've heard about this. Who knows... Its long been speculated that the elite are a bunch of psycopathic perverts and satanists. https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/status/33636278100561920

roberth

11-28-2016, 08:57

Slick Willy has already been linked with the billionaire sexual predator Jeffery Epstein so there isn't any conspiracy here, just more truth than the (D) wants their lapdogs in the MSM to report.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

Epstein, who counts among his pals royal figures, heads of state, celebrities and fellow billionaires, spent 13 months in prison and home detention for solicitation and procurement of minors for prostitution. He allegedly had a team of traffickers who procured girls as young as 12 to service his friends on “Orgy Island,” an estate on Epstein's 72-acre island, called Little St. James, in the U.S. Virgin Islands.

Joe_K

11-28-2016, 10:22

Slick Willy has already been linked with the billionaire sexual predator Jeffery Epstein so there isn't any conspiracy here, just more truth than the (D) wants their lapdogs in the MSM to report.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html
The implications here go far beyond just the Democrat party.
Lawrence E. King Jr., and Dennis Hastert were both Republicans that were convicted of crimes involving children, and the story here is that its basically a huge ring of pedophiles that are from all parties and walks of life.

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Great-Kazoo

11-28-2016, 10:23

The implications here go far beyond just the Democrat party.
Lawrence E. King Jr., and Dennis Hastert were both Republicans that were convicted of crimes involving children, and the story here is that its basically a huge ring of pedophiles that are from all parties and walks of life.

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of that i have no doubt.

thvigil11

11-28-2016, 10:31

Ya'll better just forget about all this. I'd hate to hear about how you end up suicided with 3 shots to the back of the head.
[Peep]

roberth

11-28-2016, 10:32

Skip

11-28-2016, 10:56

Seeing it? Yes.

Pizza/pasta is clearly code for something. With someone like Podesta one doesn't know if it's pedo code or code for taking millions of unreported "donations" to the CF in exchange for favors. The "you left your pizza map at the barn" email was creepers.

If it is pedo stuff, I doubt we are going to see a smoking gun and people will fight for all they're worth to hide it. This is the kind of thing that would bring down an entire government. Even passive folks who knew would be indicted (by the public if not by law).

Breitbart had been linking Podesta to pedo stuff up until his death in 2012. At the time they looked like crazed ranting but now they make perfect sense.

https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/status/33636278100561920

And then a year after that tweet (and many more), on March 1, 2012 Breitbart has his heart attack. Then his coroner had an accident.

If you have dirt on anyone in the Clinton camp, it's not healthy to sit on it!

wctriumph

11-28-2016, 12:56

I doubt that the new AG will open any investigation into this, too many on both sides involved. Too big to prosecute.

Graves

11-28-2016, 13:00

I'm gonna go eat.

Dave_L

11-28-2016, 13:20

I only hope that IF that is what it refers to, that those associated pay the price. Long shot, I know.

Wulf202

11-28-2016, 15:19

All I'm going to say on this is you can now get pizza at certain subway restaurants

roberth

11-28-2016, 16:32

I only hope that IF that is what it refers to, that those associated pay the price. Long shot, I know.

The people involved are enormously wealthy and/or well-connected, nothing will happen to them.

Dave_L

11-28-2016, 16:37

The people involved are enormously wealthy and/or well-connected, nothing will happen to them.

I know. :( At least until we get someone like the Punisher. LOL.

osok-308

11-29-2016, 10:15

And here I was thinking I was gonna read about some pepperoni pizza. Well, this isn't that surprising. Corruption amongst this body of politicians. I can only hope it's not as bad as it might be.

Aloha_Shooter

11-29-2016, 10:51

C'mon guys, it's 5 months until April Fools ... this is just ... wow ...

Aloha_Shooter

11-29-2016, 12:16

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153821538056/about-pizzagate

davsel

11-29-2016, 13:05

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153821538056/about-pizzagate

I often agree with Scott Adams.
Not this time. His examples are irrelevant.
I'm not saying "pizzagate" is true or false, just that Scott's argument is crap.

I never discount the prevalence of evil in the world.

ETA: Why did he disable comments on his blog post?

CS1983

11-29-2016, 14:53

If this was about some dude who is involved in some phenomena known as "spirit cooking" which involves blood, semen, etc., and not the potential of a pedo ring, it would be equally ludicrous. But yet, that otherwise ludicrous thing is very real. Were it not, people would decry it as the fantastical imaginings of a witch hunt, better relegated to dime store novels and the fear-mongering of people like Jack Chick (who, let's face it, was a special kind of nuts despite being very right about certain things).

But yet, one has to wonder why a string of emails contain code words out of context, and with consistency. When people engage in encipherment, it's because they want to openly talk about something while obfuscating that from the public. i.e., if on an open radio channel, one might use code words. Transmitting thus in clear text, the information takes on the character of being encoded.

Pizza, in this context, means something other than bread, sauce and cheese. That people start connecting dots doesn't mean nothing is there. The dots are there, for one. Second, even if they don't draw the right picture with those dots being connected -- something is being talked about which is, for the most part, transmitted in code. People don't use code for things like paying the bills or donating to a charity. They use code to obfuscate, often dark things.

John Podesta is a weird SOB, as he is into some seriously weird stuff just with that whole "spirit cooking" thing. But ya know what? Even if all the right lines were to be drawn from all the right dots, the American public wouldn't give a crap after what, 72 hours? The next newsworthy mass shooti... err, nevermind just a muslim with a car and machete... shiny! Kardashians! Trump scowled at a baby!

Skip

11-29-2016, 18:49

I often agree with Scott Adams.
Not this time. His examples are irrelevant.
I'm not saying "pizzagate" is true or false, just that Scott's argument is crap.

I never discount the prevalence of evil in the world.

ETA: Why did he disable comments on his blog post?

He seems to be saying "don't believe in PizzaGate without actual evidence but accept my conclusion without actual evidence."

I believe in innocent until proven guilty so I wasn't suggesting anyone be strung up over this. But it does need a careful look there is just too much there. I could post some of the pics here but I think it would upset some people (rightfully so) so check out this link if you have a strong stomach and there are no kids with you in the room...

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/

While this is mostly assembled by the chans (so take that with a grain of salt) I have confirmed some of the Instagram posts and info about Abromovic's "performance art" is genuine. John Podesta really does have those art pieces in his office/home.

One of the more interesting things is that the people involved in this have actually responded to this info which indicates there is more than just confirmation bias here. Besta Pizza changed their logo after it was found to have similarities with the known pedo symbol for "boy love." Could that be a coincidence or a realization by the owner that the symbol was incorrectly interpreted in a negative way? Sure. I would be mortified if I owned a business and had my logo interpreted that way but I would clarify and apologize. That didn't happen here just a quick change. And as the FBI has noted, these symbols are the pedo communities communicate and transact.

Joe_K

11-29-2016, 19:08

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Great-Kazoo

11-29-2016, 20:35

ETA: Why did he disable comments on his blog post?

Due to getting hammered over his choice for president, the one without a penis.. That we would imagine someone of that gender might not have....maybe.

Gman

11-29-2016, 21:31

If I agreed with Scott Adams' blog post, that would be confirmation bias.

Irving

11-29-2016, 23:02

I'm reading the thing Skip posted, and at first it's pretty weak, but it gets really crazy, really fast. I don't like what I'm reading.

theGinsue

11-30-2016, 00:34

Wow All of this is news to me. Just wow.

Joe_K

11-30-2016, 09:47

The words are code for something, but just because those same words have been identified with known, actual, and very real pedos doesn't automatically make someone a pedo.

Just becuase someone is involved in politics doesnt make them a scumbag.
Just becuase someone is accused of something doesnt make them guilty.

Just becuase someone is creepy and wierd or at least appears to be doesn't make them a pedo.

Just because someone associates with other extremely creepy and wierd people doesn't make them or the people they are associated with pedos.

Just because someone has a pedo as a family friend doesnt make them, or their family a pedo.

Just because your brother has an extremely odd choice in art depicting children in bathing suits doesn't make him a pedo.

Just because you canpaign for a woman who has no morals, and her husband is an accused serial rapist, doesn't make you a criminal.

But added together, confirmation bias or not, all of this is enough material to say something about his character, and call into question whether or not John Podesta is truly a pedophile.

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CS1983

11-30-2016, 10:29

So we can start advertising 30 topping pizzas for sale here and pizza rebuild kits? What about Nearly Freaking Awesome CANnoli (darn autocapitalize) - free shipping, no stamp required; what about face to face picnics, no restaurant required?

Surely such ads would be food related and anyone questioning that would be a confirmation bias-centric fool...

Skip

11-30-2016, 11:51

[snip]

But added together, confirmation bias or not, all of this is enough material to say something about his character, and call into question whether or not John Podesta is truly a pedophile.

[snip]

I agree on the benefit of the doubt but if all of this circumstantial info surrounded me, I would expect to be investigated and probably have my door kicked in at 3:00AM to serve a warrant for evidence. I would expect LE to dig into my life until these things could be explained as benign or they lacked enough evidence to charge.

We see examples on a near daily basis of people having their lives upturned by LE with far less info/evidence.

So we can start advertising 30 topping pizzas for sale here and pizza rebuild kits? What about Nearly Freaking Awesome CANnoli (darn autocapitalize) - free shipping, no stamp required; what about face to face picnics, no restaurant required?

Surely such ads would be food related and anyone questioning that would be a confirmation bias-centric fool...

An excellent point!

Joe_K

12-01-2016, 10:04

https://youtu.be/KjFPjaIhdWw

Video claiming that Clement Freud, (son of Sigmund Freud, and accused pedophile), owned a villa in Praia Da Luz, Portugal, and that the week the English girl Madeleine McCain dissapeared in 2007 both the Podesta brothers stayed in Freuds Villa which was located less than a mile from the place the McCain family was staying at while on vacation.

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Aloha_Shooter

12-01-2016, 11:06

What I understood Scott Adams to be saying was that he doesn't believe anything without evidence and what has been presented so far isn't evidence, it's simply stuff on the web that suffers from confirmation bias. I believe John Podesta is a political scumbag. I'm not prepared to go beyond that to the charge of pedophile without something better than has been presented.

Dave_L

12-05-2016, 15:16

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/pizzagate-shooter-washington-court/94995926/

A 28-year-old North Carolina man is due in court Monday after firing a rifle inside a local pizza restaurant while allegedly claiming to investigate a fictitious online conspiracy linked to the popular eatery.

CS1983

12-05-2016, 15:21

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/pizzagate-shooter-washington-court/94995926/

Isn't this place in DC? Why didn't the laws prevent this from happening?

crays

12-05-2016, 15:41

I saw a brief piece on this on the local news this morning, as I was getting ready for work. I found it interesting how many times they went out of their way to de-legimitimize (?) the accusations of the "completely false internet hoax" while relating the facts of the firearm discharge.

Of course they did not give absolutely any details or info about said hoax, which is the proper journalistic approach, but my guess is that if it involved a bunch of prominent (R)'s, there would have been enough said to give everyone watching a very clear idea of the accusations. Of course, if that were the case, the entire "hoax" would already have been all over the news for months.

Just my opinion on the spin of it all. I am not implying any belief or non-belief relating to the actual "hoax".

Dave_L

12-05-2016, 15:58

Aloha_Shooter

12-05-2016, 17:04

I really think stuff like this are part of the Democrats' standard false-flag operations to make non-Democrats look like idiots. We even saw evidence of these kinds of information operations in the emails that were leaked and the way they contracted to have people start fist-fights at Trump rallies. There are other, more immediate and provable things I want to see Clinton and Podesta charged and tried for before this.

Skip

12-05-2016, 19:25

Tinfoil time:

*if* this is real, do you really think they'd operate at the actual pizza location? I don't think so. I'd guess that Mr Pizza Shop Owner has an off site location and that is just the communication hub with no incriminating evidence on site. That way, when the claims come out and crazy rifle man shows up, you can say "See, nothing here! Nothing to any of this!" and look like the victim. From there, the media and general population will be on your side.

The "pizza map" was left at "the barn."

There are several coded locations in the emails. No, I don't have the magical decoder ring but other people have theories. None of which could ever be substantiated absent an investigation.

Zundfolge

12-06-2016, 12:17

I really think stuff like this are part of the Democrats' standard false-flag operations to make non-Democrats look like idiots.

I don't think the Dems are smart enough to pull something like that off. I'm still not convinced this story is real (at least not as presented now ... I still suspect that Wiener and the Podesta Bros are involved in some shady shit that may involve under-age prostitutes), but I suspect if its not its more about the active imaginations from some folk on the right after seeing the Spirit Cooking videos.

CS1983

12-06-2016, 12:33

I don't think the Dems are smart enough to pull something like that off. I'm still not convinced this story is real (at least not as presented now ... I still suspect that Wiener and the Podesta Bros are involved in some shady shit that may involve under-age prostitutes), but I suspect if its not its more about the active imaginations from some folk on the right after seeing the Spirit Cooking videos.

The spirit cooking thing came in conjunction with the pizzagate issue, both arising from the wikileaks emails.