View Full Version : To all those who believe a gun forum puts you in a data base
Great-Kazoo
12-01-2016, 09:51
REALLY??? You're worried there will be a search on line to see who owns guns based on something listed for sale in a gun forum.
EVERYONE is on some list. From voting records, to what one buys, anywhere.
This is a discussion coming off another thread i started.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/159822-TRADING-POST?p=2033651#post2033651
I as others hear the same crap day in day out.
I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT KNOWING WHAT GUNS I HAVE.
After they admit to one or more of the following
1: Hunter safety card
2: CCW Permit
3: purchased any firearm from a FFL, at anytime in their life
4: Belong to a gun range, past or present.
5: Have NFA items
6: Purchased reloading equipment or components on line or in stores
7: Even better, Used a Credit Card to buy ANY gun or gun related item
8: Here's the big one, yet never or rarely considered. A friend or neighbor knowing you have a gun.
NO NAME CALLING, personal attacks, OR ANYTHING ELSE that can bring the discussion down another level.
Or as i am calling it HuffPo'ing Copyright G-K ent 12/2016
Rucker61
12-01-2016, 09:55
I'm 7 of 8. Working on #5. And you're a gun loving, kid hating doody head.
Yahtzee!
I'm on so many lists, I've made it on to the list of people who are on lists for being on lists of people on lists...
thvigil11
12-01-2016, 10:10
The Fed's got me on speed dial even without the above list.
I stopped worrying a while ago. I just laugh when people worry about being on a list now. I just realize I'm part of the front line at this point. Lol.
I knew I crossed that line by taking on the responsibility of having a CCW license. Now have a few NFA items...just need a few more...and a few after that...
I'm 8/8 + online presence + military (ret) + clearance + checking about every box on the DHS ommagersh domestic terrie! (white, middle class, mil, Christian, right wing, etc.)
beast556
12-01-2016, 10:32
Costco has a real good deal on the XXL box of tin foil right now.
Costco has a real good deal on the XXL box of tin foil right now.
Will buying that put me on another list? I'm trying to collect the whole set!
.455_Hunter
12-01-2016, 10:43
Once your are on enough lists it does not matter anymore to add additional ones.
GK -- Didn't really understand what you were getting at here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/159822-TRADING-POST?p=2033651&viewfull=1#post2033651
Did you take my #2 as an indicator that *I* believe the idea that info on a gun forum is somehow archived and is more of a threat for future potential raids, rather than the umpteen other open source methods of knowing who has guns (and what they have)?
There's a list?
Have you never seen The Mikado?
Of course there's a little list, and they surely won't be missed!
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/attachments/politics-and-news/13786d1423894432-government-watch-list-red-flags-imageuploadedbytapatalk1423894490.891745.jpg
Aloha_Shooter
12-01-2016, 11:03
Thank God we may have some adults coming into office that will be inclined to put a stop to unconstitutional activities ...
GilpinGuy
12-01-2016, 11:22
The more people the gov knows are arming themselves the better.
What I mean is.....more gun owners means less gun control votes, if they want votes themselves.
clodhopper
12-01-2016, 11:30
I have had a bit more than half that list. But I am cutting back. I figure in another year, I will have 0 of 8 and then will not be on any lists anymore. :)
Have you never seen The Mikado?
Of course there's a little list, and they surely won't be missed!
For the win! This reminds me of girlfriend's brother. He used to talk about how he didn't want the .gov to know about his life. I gleefully pointed out he files taxes, spent 3 years in the army, collects a paycheck and owns property. Yeah they know about him lol.
Martinjmpr
12-01-2016, 12:04
A "list" with 30 to 50 million people on it would be pretty useless.
Pretty sure all 500,000 people in Wyoming are on "the list." What are you going to do, SWAT an entire state? :rolleyes:
Great-Kazoo
12-01-2016, 12:05
GK -- Didn't really understand what you were getting at here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/159822-TRADING-POST?p=2033651&viewfull=1#post2033651
Did you take my #2 as an indicator that *I* believe the idea that info on a gun forum is somehow archived and is more of a threat for future potential raids, rather than the umpteen other open source methods of knowing who has guns (and what they have)?
No i was quoting you to point out the absurdity of I DON'T WANT TO BE ON A LIST, comment from another member. Started this thread to avoid that thread going sideways, since i was going to put my OP here, there.
People have no clue how many list "they are on" From prescriptions, grocery purchases, amazon or other on line browsing. it's fuken endless.
The other one is when one calls for Customer Service.. When you hear them say So Great-Kazoo, i see you're calling from 123-456-7890 is this a good number to call you back If we get disconnected
When the NSA wants information, they go ask Google. [Coffee]
I'm sure the .gov has tons of information about me, including any security clearances I've had. What I can rely on, is that they're able to use the data with government efficiency. This means they couldn't find their collective ass with both hands, a map, and a flashlight.
There are public and private profiles on every last one of us. The analytics done on those profiles is very thorough. Almost everything about you is calculated by mathematical models. Everything from how many firearms you own to how often you brush your teeth is kept track of. There is almost no way around it. Being on a forum is something that's part of the data collection for sure. Not being on a forum doesn't really move the needle though.
I don't want to be on a list either. I want my government to think I'm the perfect sheep ready for shearing. I also want criminals to think I'm unarmed as to increase how attractive myself and my family would be to them.
But seriously, I think the lists would not be drawn from gun board postings rather records that already exist (as the Kazoo points out).
http://lonelymachines.org/red_dawn/red_dawn02.png
And as a reminder of how things could have been...
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-bishop-0108-20160107-story.html
...how about adding something immediately useful: a gun owner registry available to the public online — something like those for sex offenders.
Author is a convicted felon by the way. Lots of gems in that "piece" as well!
So we could have known who our best friends are, our good neighbors, the businesses we should be supporting, and the companies for which we should be working. Neat huh?
A "list" with 30 to 50 million people on it would be pretty useless.
Pretty sure all 500,000 people in Wyoming are on "the list." What are you going to do, SWAT an entire state? :rolleyes:
Not with big data analytics and other factors to build a model of say... 10k people to hit first, etc. Don't think old school like the Stasi. A list is just a list amongst lists. Have a database? Have the computing power to reference that DB? Have criteria to I/O DB? There's your kill list, there's your "Mr. So and So, please come talk with us" list, there's your Dystopian Horror Show list...
click... click... click... *whirring* = list.
Not with big data analytics and other factors to build a model of say... 10k people to hit first, etc. Don't think old school like the Stasi. A list is just a list amongst lists. Have a database? Have the computing power to reference that DB? Have criteria to I/O DB? There's your kill list, there's your "Mr. So and So, please come talk with us" list, there's your Dystopian Horror Show list...
click... click... click... *whirring* = list.
State-wide voter registration costs $50. There's your kill list. Did you vote for the wrong person in 2016? Well, you might not belong (Cuomo) and may be irredeemable requiring a solution (GODWIN'S LAW!!!).
Posting on a gun board isn't going to raise your risk profile one bit. Voting Republican, going to church (tithes on tax returns), homeschooling, refusing to bend your knee to diktats are the things that will win you prizes.
GoldFinger
12-01-2016, 12:30
Not with big data analytics
^^ This. Big Data will be around a $200B market by 2020, and it's a matter of what you search for to give you the desired "list". Then it will gain it's own intelligence and become a Precog. [panic]
Great-Kazoo
12-01-2016, 12:34
^^ This. Big Data will be around a $200B market by 2020, and it's a matter of what you search for to give you the desired "list". Then it will gain it's own intelligence and become a Precog. [panic]
https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M0f19a626e88c667b4b1aa7f5e29cf863o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=231&h=174
Zundfolge
12-01-2016, 12:36
If I had a nickel for every list I'm on ... I could buy another gun :)
https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M0f19a626e88c667b4b1aa7f5e29cf863o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=231&h=174
But will it call me a RACIST!!! if I refuse to die?
thvigil11
12-01-2016, 12:56
https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M0f19a626e88c667b4b1aa7f5e29cf863o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=231&h=174
Sure everyone is against them looking like toasters, but as soon as they resemble Number Six, I'll be the first to welcome our robot overlords.
Aloha_Shooter
12-01-2016, 13:03
When the NSA wants information, they go ask Google. [Coffee]
This. I am still amazed at the people who freely give all their information to Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc. and then think the same government bureaucrats they rail against as lazy ineffective morons are out there reading their mail and diving into their trash. Google has FAR more information on every American citizen than the USG and they actually use it.
thedave1164
12-01-2016, 13:19
And some people actually want Nationwide Reciprocity......
thedave1164
12-01-2016, 13:20
This. I am still amazed at the people who freely give all their information to Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc. and then think the same government bureaucrats they rail against as lazy ineffective morons are out there reading their mail and diving into their trash. Google has FAR more information on every American citizen than the USG and they actually use it.
Who do you think funded Google?
I watched the movie "Nerve" this weekend. Its basically about an online game where you can either be a player or a watcher. If you're a player, you receive dares and get paid if you complete them and you win by having the most "watchers" following you online.
Anywho, when one of the characters decides to be a "player", it shows all the things it uses to compile a profile for you and find out what your big fears are so they can dare you more. It's creepy but it shows how many "lists" you voluntarily give up. Facebook, youtube videos, amazon, music, etc. EVERYTHING she had/did online was sorted through basically.
Just goes to show you that in today's world, its pretty much impossible to not be on a list.
Great-Kazoo
12-01-2016, 15:20
And some people actually want Nationwide Reciprocity......
I'd like to see it. Then again a Constitutional Right should be honored nationwide as such.
I'm not afraid of being on a list of all the legal things I've done.
I'm not afraid of being on a list of all the legal things I've done.
Every data point builds a piece of a picture. And if that picture's data points subtend to "this guy is potentially dangerous" in some future algorithm's data output.
However, as one Cybersecurity expert put it, "if people don't want to be on a list, they should have unplugged and moved to the woods 15 years ago."
milwaukeeshaker
12-01-2016, 16:12
Shouldn't have to get a permit in the first place. 2nd is the permit.
I'd like to see it. Then again a Constitutional Right should be honored nationwide as such.
Every data point builds a piece of a picture. And if that picture's data points subtend to "this guy is potentially dangerous" in some future algorithm's data output.
However, as one Cybersecurity expert put it, "if people don't want to be on a list, they should have unplugged and moved to the woods 15 years ago."
Myself, and every other person, will be subject to Big Data, but how is interpreted will not be up to me, so I don't bother worrying about it. Pretty sure you just said the same thing.
BushMasterBoy
12-01-2016, 17:32
I think the best part of the list is all the naked women you can see.
Myself, and every other person, will be subject to Big Data, but how is interpreted will not be up to me, so I don't bother worrying about it. Pretty sure you just said the same thing.
Yes, but I am sure you search for things online related to work, as do I, that have certainly got to alter the "picture". Every single fatality I work on (well over 200 now) I search for similar cases, causes, criminality, common factors, etc. I consume vast amounts of .gov complied data as well as read huge amounts of technical papers and data summaries on all kinds of topics. It would not surprise me that if a young eager analyst ever looked into me because I got "flagged" I would have an alphabet soup convention in my front yard.
I am on Jim's list several times, plus HAZWOPER, CDOT Haz-Mat, Radiation Certifications and more. At some point I guess being on a LOT of lists waters you down some. :)
Bailey Guns
12-01-2016, 17:38
I don't worry about lists. Government, Google, Amazon or otherwise. I try to be reasonable with what I do online. I don't do social media. I post on a couple of forums. But I sometimes think I single-handedly keep Amazon and UPS in business. I'm not disconnecting from the world because of some fear someone might misuse some data.
That's why I lost all my guns in that boat accident. Accidentally, of course.
...and everyone posting in the pictures of your latest purchase thread...
[ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]
Great-Kazoo
12-01-2016, 17:56
Yes, but I am sure you search for things online related to work, as do I, that have certainly got to alter the "picture". Every single fatality I work on (well over 200 now) I search for similar cases, causes, criminality, common factors, etc. I consume vast amounts of .gov complied data as well as read huge amounts of technical papers and data summaries on all kinds of topics. It would not surprise me that if a young eager analyst ever looked into me because I got "flagged" I would have an alphabet soup convention in my front yard.
I am on Jim's list several times, plus HAZWOPER, CDOT Haz-Mat, Radiation Certifications and more. At some point I guess being on a LOT of lists waters you down some. :)
Forgot, .mil service, Hazwoper cert AND my bio-terrorism clearance.
Looks i have to make it ELEVEN .
I know, Why Not make it 10 ?
Forgot, .mil service, Hazwoper cert AND my bio-terrorism clearance.
Looks i have to make it ELEVEN .
I know, Why Not make it 10 ?
You can be our canary. If they come for you, just post here to warn the rest of us and let us know which FEMA train you're on.
To be fair, you *are* in a database. This site runs off a database. But only the purple dudes (and myself... I need to change my red back to purple) have access to said database.
KestrelBike
12-01-2016, 18:15
I need to get that Hunter safety card to collect all 8.
To be fair, you *are* in a database. This site runs off a database. But only the purple dudes (and myself... I need to change my red back to purple) have access to said database.
So the purple dudes can spoof the blue dudes address and keep themselves out of databases while selectively increasing blue dudes footprints. :)
That's way too much work. I just spoof myself to a Kenya address.
GoldFinger
12-01-2016, 18:50
Just the stupid apps we all load to our phones provide enough data to pretty much build a profile on any of us. Right, I can understand why a flashlight app needs to know my location and all of my contact. [Rant1]
Looks i have to make it ELEVEN .
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1884333162/Volume_Knob_Logo_500x500.jpg
GilpinGuy
12-01-2016, 19:13
I'm not afraid of being on a list of all the legal things I've done.
Legal things you've done, sure. Legal things you already own now as private property can change into illegal things that suddenly aren't allowed to own without a permission slip from some bureaucrat. Ask AR owners in CT.
Just the stupid apps we all load to our phones provide enough data to pretty much build a profile on any of us. Right, I can understand why a flashlight app needs to know my location and all of my contact. [Rant1]
Android?
root and xPrivacy module on xPosed and kill that sh*
Legal things you've done, sure. Legal things you already own now as private property can change into illegal things that suddenly aren't allowed to own without a permission slip from some bureaucrat. Ask AR owners in CT.
They don't have boats in CT?
GilpinGuy
12-01-2016, 19:39
They don't have boats in CT?
[LOL]
Great-Kazoo
12-01-2016, 19:50
They don't have boats in CT?
Only the WASP who live the entitlement lifestyle along the coast. Everyone else has to drive to Rhode Island.
Think of ALL the recent, and some not so recent, attacks. With all the NSA, etc. alphabet agencies, they didn't see any of them coming. AND, everytime, they said "we had them on our radar"...you really think they need to be concerned, or even, AWARE, of little people like "US"? I doubt it. Again and again, they find out, after the fact, that there were entries on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, whatever...and they didn't put 2 and 2 together, let alone one and one! I'm not concerned. As low risk as I am, when they didn't catch any of that chatter, and I'm not even on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, or whatever lame "social outkast" media there is out there, I'm SO not concerned. I'm ex-mil. Top Secret Crypto clearance. FFL, NRA instructor. Dozens of 4473's. Hell, I AM the radar!
Obligatory YMMV.
A "list" with 30 to 50 million people on it would be pretty useless.
Pretty sure all 500,000 people in Wyoming are on "the list." What are you going to do, SWAT an entire state? :rolleyes:
We're closer to 600,000 people now. It was just over 584k as of 2014. Gotta give WY SOME credit...
Great-Kazoo
12-01-2016, 21:27
We're closer to 600,000 people now. It was just over 584k as of 2014. Gotta give WY SOME credit...
Calving season doesn't count.
hollohas
12-01-2016, 21:36
Yup, I'm on the lists. Lots of them I'm sure. So many I've started to hide when I hear helicopters outside.
You guys are freaking me out. I just went out and bought a sack of concrete to encase the one gun I have left, so no one can find it.
thvigil11
12-01-2016, 22:42
You guys are freaking me out. I just went out and bought a sack of concrete to encase the one gun I have left, so no one can find it.
Me too. Tonight I'm trying to learn how to keister a SCAR rifle.
cfortune
12-01-2016, 22:47
Me too. Tonight I'm trying to learn how to keister a SCAR rifle.
I'd recommend SBR'ing it first.
pickenup
12-01-2016, 23:32
There is only ONE important list...Are you on it?
NAUGHTY--------------OR-------------NICE?
thvigil11
12-01-2016, 23:33
I'd recommend SBR'ing it first.
The folding sights help. Also got some rail covers on there.
Great-Kazoo
12-02-2016, 00:09
You guys are freaking me out. I just went out and bought a sack of concrete to encase the one gun I have left, so no one can find it.
List it in the trading post section, then complain about website tracking.
Madeinhb
12-02-2016, 03:13
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/2881c9d36ebdc976cd1d412d1b572ed5.png
thedave1164
12-02-2016, 08:16
Y'all are silly
I'm a bit lost. Is there any way we can get a list of those who believe they are on lists?
thedave1164
12-02-2016, 08:40
I'm a bit lost. Is there any way we can get a list of those who believe they are on lists?
With or without tinfoil?
I only but tinfoil that is sold in clothing sizes.
Martinjmpr
12-02-2016, 09:12
I'm a bit lost. Is there any way we can get a list of those who believe they are on lists?
Asking that question automatically puts you on the list. ;)
I'm a bit lost. Is there any way we can get a list of those who believe they are on lists?
The point is we're all on a list. That simplifies our problem.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/puller.jpg
I'm a bit lost. Is there any way we can get a list of those who believe they are on lists?
You are on my list.
Hope this helps.
You are on my list.
Hope this helps.
Like wise.
Does anyone have an updated list of who's in and who's out for MtnMan's yearly pig roast?
BushMasterBoy
12-02-2016, 10:57
I know I am on Santas list! I want something nice and naughty for XXXmas.
You are on my list.
Hope this helps.
https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/billymadison.gif
Great-Kazoo
12-02-2016, 11:02
Like wise.
Does anyone have an updated list of who's in and who's out for MtnMan's yearly pig roast?
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M7b2beab603891daca5142c2bbe2fc10fo0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=272&h=171
osok-308
12-04-2016, 10:10
Too true. Those posts about the "boating accident" in which you lost all your guns don't help when you are 8/8 on the above list! lol
Guy's, it's alright. This exclusive footage from the NSA loading dock shows the server rack with the gun owner list data raining down on concrete. The evil, black cloud is gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEdotcdpJH8
BushMasterBoy
12-04-2016, 14:00
Another list!
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/spo/5885480354.html
Guy's, it's alright. This exclusive footage from the NSA loading dock shows the server rack with the gun owner list data raining down on concrete. The evil, black cloud is gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEdotcdpJH8
haha, kinda looked like an IBM T42 rack when all the 1U spacers popped out.
At least the couple of servers were at the bottom - an end-over would have been really funny.
I sincerely hope for the client's sake that was a lease return and not a move.
ETA Looking again, it's not an enterprise rack based on the top vent. Don't recall what the lighter (x86) racks had.
Also looks like a delivery as they were walking away with packing material. Ouch.
spqrzilla
12-04-2016, 17:44
I'm getting a bit irritated at all the references to tinfoil hats.
Its been proven that the correct material is aluminum foil.
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
wctriumph
12-04-2016, 19:31
I'm pretty sure that if there is a list, I'm on it. Never been formally arrested but the Anaheim Police department has a file that says I'm "clean cut".
BlasterBob
12-04-2016, 21:36
Most of us most likely have our names/addresses on the NRA membership list. Doesn't necessarily show that all of it's members actually own firearms but does show we are at least interested in the 2nd Amend.
If I'm not on a list, someone is sleeping on the job.
BRB, running low on tannerite. Gotta order another 50lb.
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