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Dear Customers,
The debate in the U.S. over gun safety and gun rights is as complex as it is divisive. As a former army officer, a father and business leader, I’ve heard the arguments from all sides. And, as CEO of a 163-year-old company whose products and presence rest at the intersection of culture and community in more than 110 countries around the world, I feel a tremendous responsibility to share our position on the issue, now, at a time when clarity is paramount.
Providing a safe environment to work and shop is a top priority for us at Levi Strauss & Co. That imperative is quickly challenged, however, when a weapon is carried into one of our stores. Recently, we had an incident in one of our stores where a gun inadvertently went off, injuring the customer who was carrying it.
So, while we understand the heartfelt and strongly-held opinions on both sides of the gun debate, it is with the safety and security of our employees and customers in mind that we respectfully ask people not to bring firearms into our stores, offices or facilities, even in states where it’s permitted by law. Of course, authorized members of law enforcement are an exception.
With stores in Paris, Nice and Orlando, and the company’s European headquarters in Brussels, I’ve thought more about safety in the past year than in the previous three decades of my career because of how ‘close to home’ so many incidents with guns have come to impacting people working for this company.
We operate in hundreds of stores across every state in the U.S., and laws are different in each one. We know that the presence of firearms in our stores creates an unsettling environment for many of our employees and customers. We also know that trying to enforce a ban could potentially undermine the purpose of the ban itself: safety. With that in mind we’ve made this decision as a business – a request not a mandate – and we sincerely hope responsible gun owners will respect our position.
It boils down to this: you shouldn’t have to be concerned about your safety while shopping for clothes or trying on a pair of jeans. Simply put, firearms don't belong in either of those settings. In the end, I believe we have an obligation to our employees and customers to ensure a safe environment and keeping firearms out of our stores and offices will get us one step closer to achieving that reality.
Sincerely,
Chip Bergh
President and Chief Executive Officer, Levi Strauss & Co.
Written by
Chip Bergh
Chip Bergh
President and CEO, Levi Strauss & Co
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Officer huh? That's all I needed to hear.
fportmen45
12-02-2016, 20:31
No more Levis for me.
Circuits
12-02-2016, 20:31
So, they're going to take steps to disarm illegal carriers in their stores? Guards, metal detectors and storage lockers?
Didn't think so.
crashdown
12-02-2016, 21:02
So, they're going to take steps to disarm illegal carriers in their stores? Guards, metal detectors and storage lockers?
Didn't think so.
It clearly states this is only directed at responsible gun owners, irresponsible gun owners, criminals, etc, are not addressed in this request
" – and we sincerely hope responsible gun owners will respect our position."
Bailey Guns
12-02-2016, 21:13
Well, in the interest of safety, I won't be going into any of their stores. Oh, wait...I never have went into any of their stores...or bought their overpriced jeans.
Nevermind.
JohnnyDrama
12-02-2016, 21:15
I read something about them leaning anti-gun a couple of years ago. Probably shortly after I bought my last pair.
I didn’t see anything in his letter explaining how the stores will keep thugs with guns out. Clearly this letter was aimed at responsible gun owners to stay away. Dirt bags and low life’s, nobody will stop you, come on in. I feel safer already, NOT. Damn it I always liked Levi’s, oh well, Wranglers it is.
HoneyBadger
12-02-2016, 21:19
It clearly states this is only directed at responsible gun owners, irresponsible gun owners, criminals, etc, are not addressed in this request
" – and we sincerely hope responsible gun owners will respect our position."
Seems pretty clear to me. [Dunno]
milwaukeeshaker
12-02-2016, 21:20
Been wearing Wranglers for years, ever since I knew Levi Strauss was anti-gun. I try to spend my money on American products that are made by companies that believe in the constitution and the USA as a whole.
HoneyBadger
12-02-2016, 21:23
Been wearing Wranglers for years, ever since I knew Levi Strauss was anti-gun. I try to spend my money on American products that are made by companies that believe in the constitution and the USA as a whole.
I wear wranglers because I can get them for less than $30 at walmart and they are pretty comfortable.
.455_Hunter
12-02-2016, 21:24
Officer huh? That's all I needed to hear.
What is that supposed to mean?
Bailey Guns
12-02-2016, 21:29
^^ [Pop]
What is that supposed to mean?
The CEO is a former Army officer. they tend to make boneheaded policy decisions -- usually in response to some enlistedman's boneheaded decision pre-policy.
fportmen45
12-02-2016, 21:37
What is that supposed to mean?
Was about to ask the same thing.
ColoradoTJ
12-02-2016, 21:51
Been wearing Wranglers for years, ever since I knew Levi Strauss was anti-gun. I try to spend my money on American products that are made by companies that believe in the constitution and the USA as a whole.
Amen!!!
I read in another article that "we're not banning guns but just dont bring them into our stores".
Um...isnt that a ban?
ColoradoTJ
12-02-2016, 21:55
I can't remember the last pair of Levi's anything I've purchased. It has to be at least 15 years min.
I think the CEO knows most gun owners understand his position. Announcing it just confirms I won't again.
.455_Hunter
12-02-2016, 22:19
There is plenty of dumbassery exhibited by prior service of ALL ranks.
I read this a bit different. I heard they were anti-gun some time ago. As most big business is. I think this is his way of giving us half a finger, while trying to look anti-gun for the rest of the world. He has done a fair bit getting some of the company back to San Fran, bringing some jobs back to the US. I too haven't bought Levi's jeans in 10-12 years. It's not near as anti as some companies. Still not gonna buy their stuff.
JohnnyEgo
12-02-2016, 23:21
The last two pair of Levis I purchased both had a belt loop come off due to improper stitching. So I don't care about their position on concealed weapons in their stores nearly as much as I care about their shitty quality control tanking a 163 year old brand. Fuck you, Levis.
I buy 99% of my clothes at Goodwill, Arc, and Savers. The other 1% i usually get at Walmart or Costco or Sams. This affects me none.
bobbyfairbanks
12-02-2016, 23:29
Officer huh? That's all I needed to hear.
Yup
I wear wranglers because I can get them for less than $30 at walmart and they are pretty comfortable.
This.
I buy them on sale here for under $20/pair. I wish they had a series that was cheaper still and with a little less ass room. Then again, I wish my inseam was more than my waist.
I didn’t see anything in his letter explaining how the stores will keep thugs with guns out. Clearly this letter was aimed at responsible gun owners to stay away. Dirt bags and low life’s, nobody will stop you, come on in. I feel safer already, NOT. Damn it I always liked Levi’s, oh well, Wranglers it is.
Well, to be fair, it wasn't a thug criminal with a gun that caused the issue in their store.
He almost did an okay job trying to sound like all he cared about was safety and didn't have a personal opinion one way or the other. Almost.
Zundfolge
12-02-2016, 23:44
It boils down to this: you shouldn’t have to be concerned about your safety while shopping for clothes or trying on a pair of jeans. Simply put, firearms don't belong in either of those settings.
So Chip, you going to give me an armed escort from home to the store? And follow me around to all my other stops?
It boils down to this: Armed citizens with CHLs are statistically more law abiding than the police, so the ONLY reason to disarm them in your stores is to push an ignorant political agenda. Period. Simply put you don't want money from people with whom you disagree on a political issue so we'll gladly oblige.
I read this a bit different. I heard they were anti-gun some time ago. As most big business is. I think this is his way of giving us half a finger, while trying to look anti-gun for the rest of the world. He has done a fair bit getting some of the company back to San Fran, bringing some jobs back to the US. I too haven't bought Levi's jeans in 10-12 years. It's not near as anti as some companies. Still not gonna buy their stuff.
Yeah. I'm a little surprised that it wasn't well known that Levi's leaned left.
I'm not sure how good thoughts are supposed to keep the stores safe from criminals.
Pretty crazy how the CEO equates lawful self-defense with the terrorist acts in places where the people slaughtered were not able to lawfully defend themselves, and he wants to double down on that strategy.
Well, to be fair, it wasn't a thug criminal with a gun that caused the issue in their store.
He almost did an okay job trying to sound like all he cared about was safety and didn't have a personal opinion one way or the other. Almost.
I have no idea, nor do I care who was in his store that caused the origination of his policy. I’m talking about keeping out the thugs, dirt bags and low life’s that could be in the store when I’m in there unarmed, due to this policy. Everybody here knows that this policy is only in place to make pajama boy, snowflake and the rest of his employees feel better.
I wear wranglers because I can get them for less than $30 at walmart and they are pretty comfortable.
Yup, works for me.
osok-308
12-03-2016, 08:13
Wish i had seen this before my last jean purchase. Bought their brand, but not at their store. Will not go into another store of theirs.
StagLefty
12-03-2016, 08:49
I buy 99% of my clothes at Goodwill, Arc, and Savers. The other 1% i usually get at Walmart or Costco or Sams. This affects me none.
Amen-they're all over priced at the stores !!!
Amen-they're all over priced at the stores !!!
I buy products, not brands. :)
milwaukeeshaker
12-03-2016, 10:56
That too.
I wear wranglers because I can get them for less than $30 at walmart and they are pretty comfortable.
Aloha_Shooter
12-04-2016, 10:17
I stopped buying anything connected to Levi Strauss & Co. a long time ago so I have no problems abiding with his request.
wctriumph
12-04-2016, 19:40
I did not even know that there was a Levi store. I buy Wranglers because they wear well and inexpensive. I have not purchased a Levi product for over 30 years.
GilpinGuy
12-04-2016, 22:17
I buy products, not brands. :)
So TulAmmo 223 or Fiocci 223? Both are 223 "products".
fportmen45
12-04-2016, 22:59
So TulAmmo 223 or Fiocci 223? Both are 223 "products".
Shhhhh... Else, he'll compare you to Obama momentarily.
ColoradoTJ
12-04-2016, 23:04
I seen a post on FB about this that make me laugh for a bit.
"Levi's has a problem with my concealed weapon, now they have a problem with my concealed wallet."
Or something like of that nature. So. Funny. So true.
So TulAmmo 223 or Fiocci 223? Both are 223 "products".
I have both of those, PMC X-tac, etc. All serve a different purpose. I wouldn't buy a Tula-similar product for PMC prices, though. And that's what I meant. I certainly won't buy some gucci .223/5.56 because it says "Vickers Ultimate Delta Force Blammo!", and pay the branding costs associated with that -- but if someone put it up for sale and its price was commensurate to the actual quality of the ammo itself, I'd totally buy it. If Tula made PMC X-tac-like ammo, and its quality was there, I'd buy that. Product value and quality is a much bigger deal to me than if its branding is only there to jack up the price.
Similarly, I have a Joseph A. Banks signature series blazer. It's a nice blazer. It's not a $700 blazer (or even a $200 one, as they often do "sales"). I paid $7.50 at a local Goodwill.
GilpinGuy
12-05-2016, 09:13
I hear ya. And with jeans, I can give a shit about the little tag on my ass. Most of mine are Kirkland...I think.
Some stuff just has to be the right stuff. Tools are one. A torque wrench from Harbor Freight? No way. A sledgehammer maybe but not a precision tool.
I'm fairly certain that the brand of pants I wear is very supportive of CCW.
GilpinGuy
12-05-2016, 11:12
I hear ya. And with jeans, I can give a shit about the little tag on my ass. Most of mine are Kirkland...I think.
Some stuff just has to be the right stuff. Tools are one. A torque wrench from Harbor Freight? No way. A sledgehammer maybe but not a precision tool.
GilpinGuy
12-05-2016, 11:13
Why the heck did that post again?
SamuraiCO
12-05-2016, 11:55
Notice the HQ in Brussels? They vote and support Dem policies then skip out on the bill by incorporating in a lower tax country. Just like progressives to s** in their own bed and move to cleaner digs.
Not been a fan of Levis and have not purchased anything from them in years.
For years I have bought expensive wool dress pants, have them tailored for work only to have them wear out after a year or two. I got tired of spending money like that and have replaced with black 511 pants. They are going on three years now. All my shirts and ties go with my black pants and it still looks great for the pharmacy. My EDC knife also has a reinforced pocket for the clip and has yet to wear. The pants also have a expandable waste band that improves the comfort of weight fluctuation up or down. It is really for IWB carry but does make a more comfortable wearing pant.
I also bought light tan and the green at the time that I wear in place of jeans. I use my old jeans for yard work. Only have purchased black wranglers for a wedding this summer.
511 tactical just opened a store in Centennial. I saw it going up 470. County line and about University? Have not been in there yet but I was looking at their new upland hunting pants. Most likely they do not post no firearms allowed in their store.
colorider
12-05-2016, 13:38
Went to the 511 tactical store in Vegas a few weeks ago. They were having a 25% off sale. Cool store. Picked up a few pair of pants and some shirts. And a belt.
So TulAmmo 223 or Fiocci 223? Both are 223 "products".
Well, if you're talking steel vs brass...
Rucker61
12-05-2016, 15:21
For years I have bought expensive wool dress pants, have them tailored for work only to have them wear out after a year or two. I got tired of spending money like that and have replaced with black 511 pants. They are going on three years now. All my shirts and ties go with my black pants and it still looks great for the pharmacy. My EDC knife also has a reinforced pocket for the clip and has yet to wear. The pants also have a expandable waste band that improves the comfort of weight fluctuation up or down. It is really for IWB carry but does make a more comfortable wearing pant.
They're all I wear. I hate sitting on a wallet and they are good for IWB. I've got black, blue, olive and twos kinds of tan. They've got a convenient spare magazine pocket, too.
newracer
12-05-2016, 16:41
I hear ya. And with jeans, I can give a shit about the little tag on my ass. Most of mine are Kirkland...I think.
Some stuff just has to be the right stuff. Tools are one. A torque wrench from Harbor Freight? No way. A sledgehammer maybe but not a precision tool.
Hi-jack....actually Harbor Freight torque wrenches are one of their best products. I wouldn't use one to build an engine but for most other purposes they are perfectly fine.
Hi-jack....actually Harbor Freight torque wrenches are one of their best products. I wouldn't use one to build an engine but for most other purposes they are perfectly fine.
Probably better than either of my Crapsman's considering they don't carry the same warranty their tools (used to) do. One of them had a plastic lock ring on the handle/dial that came apart after only a few uses.
I really only use them to torque wheel lugs or suspension components.
GilpinGuy
12-05-2016, 17:21
Just for fun, we should derail into a Chevy vs. Ford argument. [Flower]
Does Ford even sell torque wrenches?
Does Ford even sell torque wrenches?
I think you can only use inch/lbs torque on any Ford or Chevy.
I have two HF torque wrenches, haven't touched them since I bought a Craftsman.
GilpinGuy
12-05-2016, 21:52
I have two HF torque wrenches, haven't touched them since I bought a Craftsman.
Yeah, I'd need to see some study or independant test before I trust a HF torque wrench.
jhood001
12-05-2016, 22:33
"it is with the safety and security of our employees and customers in mind that we respectfully ask people not to bring firearms into our stores"
Ask away. The law will determine what I do and don't when it comes to my personal safety.
I recognize his 'ask' as a marketing method. And I'm cool with that. And when I continue to carry into their stores (which I didn't even know existed prior to now); I know that they'll have no clue that it is even going on.
Another corporation pursuing the business side of this debate in a 'win-win' fashion.
Can't say I blame Levi's. Talk is cheap at every level. At the end of the day: Convictions take a back-seat to the dollar on every occasion.
GilpinGuy
12-05-2016, 22:56
Yep. All in all, it's a non-story. If I ever go into Levis store ro buy jeans, of course I'll be carrying. How would I know if the pants I'm buying fit with my piece on me?
They could maybe make a break and design "carry friendly" jeans with a little more fabric in the right places.....naaaaaaaaah.
Yeah, I'd need to see some study or independant test before I trust a HF torque wrench. I don't own one , but a car magazine did a test on the digital torque adapter. http://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp-1304-torque-wrench-testing/
newracer
12-06-2016, 10:13
Yeah, I'd need to see some study or independant test before I trust a HF torque wrench.
There are lots of them online. Basically as long as you always return the wrench to a low setting after use it stays consistent. This is true with any "clicker" type wrench.
Went to Goodwill last night. Got 3 shirts in great condition: Patagonia, LL Bean, and 5.11. Total cost? $15.
GilpinGuy
12-06-2016, 16:37
I don't own one , but a car magazine did a test on the digital torque adapter. http://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp-1304-torque-wrench-testing/
There are lots of them online. Basically as long as you always return the wrench to a low setting after use it stays consistent. This is true with any "clicker" type wrench.
I'll be damned. Never would have thought it.
Crap, I just bought a pair of Levi's from Target. Wonder if I can find the receipt.
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