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For those who haven't heard, CDOT is pretty excited about the new brine solution they'll be spreading on the roads to reduce icing. It goes on wet and then dries to leave salt on the road to help prevent ice.
Sounds like we can look forward to otherwise nice vehicles with gnarly rust everywhere just like back east.
Thanks CDOT.
I grew up in Michigan where the cars only had one rust spot. All the way around the car.
SideShow Bob
12-15-2016, 20:39
Car wash businesses are happy, everyone will be trying to wash that crap off their cars as soon as possible once they find out what it does.
And it is also a subversive way for CO. To get all the old clunkers off of our highways.
Be prepared to dodge car parts road debris more often.....
BushMasterBoy
12-15-2016, 20:52
In other news, Chevy Nuts drive Chevy Bolts!
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2016/12/15/general-motors-bolt/95477922/
I think it's actually a way for CDOT to save money. They did mention it's about half the price of the magnesium chloride.
I miss the days of sand and pea gravel. I'd rather deal with busted windshields and chipped paint than rust.
GilpinGuy
12-15-2016, 20:58
Well, of course it's a cost saving measure. We could afford it pre-pot tax, but not now? Fucking joke.
And it's not about keeping YOU save Ray, it's about the children....somehow.
Western Pennsylvania uses ground slag from the coal mines. Looks awful but cost almost nothing. I don't miss the whining politicians back east complaining about the increased cost of snow removal when they actually had snow. Why bother, the schools were normally closed a day ahead of any forecast measurable accumulation. 6PM, partly cloudy, nothing on the ground but by tomorrow morning they are calling for as much as two inches of the white stuff. Need to go get some eggs, bread, milk and toilet paper just in case [panic]
I'm remaining vigilant in case any of my neighbors try to steal my eggs, bread, milk, or toilet paper. Those are hot commodities in times of crisis.
buffalobo
12-15-2016, 21:27
I think it's actually a way for CDOT to save money. They did mention it's about half the price of the magnesium chloride.
I miss the days of sand and pea gravel. I'd rather deal with busted windshields and chipped paint than rust.
Win.
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BlasterBob
12-15-2016, 21:36
Unless the vehicles here in the "Rust Belt" (Illinois) are just a few years old, they are sporting a huge amount of rust. These vehicles still run fine but the owners apparently never heard of under carriage washs at the car wash places.
I thought the trick was to simply hit every sizable mud puddle available, instead of paying that extra $ at the car wash...
Didn't the EPA squash the use of salt in Denver back in the late 70s, because it was polluting the Platte? Then they went after sand because particulates were polluting the air. Now, suddenly, CDOT has decided that salt is ok again? I smell a rat...
Didn't the EPA squash the use of salt in Denver back in the late 70s, because it was polluting the Platte? Then they went after sand because particulates were polluting the air. Now, suddenly, CDOT has decided that salt is ok again? I smell a rat...
I believe you are correct. The government doesn't pay attention to its own history.
BlasterBob
12-16-2016, 08:42
I thought the trick was to simply hit every sizable mud puddle available, instead of paying that extra $ at the car wash...
The puddles also have a heavy concentration of the salt/chemicals. I'll take the adobe mud of Colorado any day over the salt here in the Rust Belt.
clodhopper
12-16-2016, 08:56
I thought the trick was to simply hit every sizable mud puddle available, instead of paying that extra $ at the car wash...
That is to help clean the windshields of the cars around you that ran out of windshield fluid.
One trick for winter time vehicle maintenance back east is to encourage massive oil leaks under the car. As long as everything is coated in oil, rust is inhibited.
Suddenly, it doesnt feel like I'm wasting the $35/mo for unlimited car washes.
Magnesium Chloride is a salt BTW, and one that is generally worse for modern vehicles than Sodium Chloride. MgCl is slicker and forms a gel layer in some conditions that is worse than actual ice. MgCl eats aluminum (transfer cases, differentials, hubs, A-arms) and is responsible for a lot of catastrophic suspension failures. NaCl reacts with aluminum too, but does not break down or prevent the reformation of the protective layer like MgCl.
Yeah, mag chloride is awful. Xcel blames the spike in transformer failures/explosions on MgCl backsplash, and what it does to brass and copper electrical components shouldn't happen to Sodom and Gomorrah. It was originally brought in as an "eco friendly" alternative to NaCl (meaning the EPA didn't have regs regarding MgCl pollution in the Platte), at about 5 times the cost. Expect them to go to KCl or something similar when they figure out how bad all of this is for the environment.
I know mag chloride eats the cheap chrome on vehicles now.
guess I'll have to wash the cars more often and really get underneath
BladesNBarrels
12-16-2016, 12:20
Time to revive Colorado's Sugar Beet Industry.
Use Sugar instead of Salt!
68Charger
12-16-2016, 12:38
Ray, I honestly don't think they care about keeping YOU safe.... after all, you're part of the "sickness on our souls" that Morse talked about...
it's of course.... for the children
But I'll second (third, fourth?) the comments that Mag chloride is worse than Sodium chloride... hard to remove in comparison.
The dry air in Colorado is the reason we don't already have rust buckets
SamuraiCO
12-16-2016, 14:11
I hated mag chloride. Black gunk in my garage that ends up on my tile floors all winter.
I am all for CDOT looking into ways to save us money without compromising road safety. They do put down gravel on hills and intersections. The changes made in modern vehicles is total dip in rust resistant compounds. We also get more warm days in winter giving us the opportunity to wash off the offending salt compounds. It would be something if left over fracking fluid could be reused for this purpose. Really send the lefties over the top.
We here should all know the EPA makes up their policies to match a political narrative that continues to move progressive and anti-USA.
I know mag chloride eats the cheap chrome on vehicles now.
guess I'll have to wash the cars more often and really get underneath
It's tough on "plastic chrome," clear coated wheels, etc. nasty nasty stuff.
FWIW, I have never sealed my garage floor since we bought the house in 95 and it did a number on that too. Never noticed any issues until after they started using it.
I am all for CDOT looking into ways to save us money
Not sure who "us" is but I don't think you're going to see any savings anywhere from them salting the roads.
BushMasterBoy
12-16-2016, 19:49
Couldn't we just use urine? It is completely biodegradable and can be produced by drinking beer. I will gladly drink beer and urinate into a tanker truck.
In other news, Chevy Nuts drive Chevy Bolts!
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2016/12/15/general-motors-bolt/95477922/
From the same knuckleheads that can't make an ignition switch....
Magnesium chloride is "salt", right from the Great Salt Lake. I'm sure Xcel won't mind the use of less mag chloride since the road spray shorts out transformers.
Looks like my vehicles will be getting washed more often. Those car wash memberships are starting to make more financial sense.
SamuraiCO
12-16-2016, 21:19
Not sure who "us" is but I don't think you're going to see any savings anywhere from them salting the roads.
True dat.
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blacklabel
12-16-2016, 21:42
I'm going to head to DIA in a half hour or so go test out their new concoction. Wish me luck.
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osok-308
12-17-2016, 08:20
I think it's actually a way for CDOT to save money. They did mention it's about half the price of the magnesium chloride.
I miss the days of sand and pea gravel. I'd rather deal with busted windshields and chipped paint than rust.
So it's the idea behind shooting corrosive ammo? Cheaper, just causes rust, so make sure that you clean your equipment immediately afterwards!
Was watching the news this morning. Even the highways were covered in white stuff. Not sure where the plows were, but looked like a fail to me.
Driving to work this morning, I couldn't believe the number of half wits that simply abandoned their vehicles on I-70, IN THE TRAFFIC LANES. Seriously, not on the shoulder, not obviously stuck, just parked in the middle of the damn highway. Had it not been for that, I would have made it to work in about the same time as most week days (less traffic, but slower speed to account for road conditions).
[facepalm]
Driving to work this morning, I couldn't believe the number of half wits that simply abandoned their vehicles on I-70, IN THE TRAFFIC LANES. Seriously, not on the shoulder, not obviously stuck, just parked in the middle of the damn highway. Had it not been for that, I would have made it to work in about the same time as most week days (less traffic, but slower speed to account for road conditions).
[facepalm]
Much worse than the idiots going 1/2 the reasonable speed holding everyone else up last night around 9PM coming back from Denver down I25. I made most of my progress in the far right lane. The hammer lane was all SUV's that only thought they could go a little faster.
Granted, I'm running on blizzaks in a 13 year old AWD Audi, but they could at least stay over - or stay home.
I'm running on blizzaks in a 13 year old AWD Audi. How elitist of you. :) That is a pretty good rig for snow and ice. Only when it gets deeper would I rather have a 4WD Suburban.
How elitist of you. :) That is a pretty good rig for snow and ice. Only when it gets deeper would I rather have a 4WD Suburban.
If it's too deep, then I'm either staying home or using the truck, if it's too deep for the truck, then I'm either staying home or putting on the chains. If I'm putting on the chains, you're all fucked and I'm probably giving rides to/from work for Nurses.
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Dug out a Mustang GT stuck in front of my house this morning.
I drove the wife's Rodeo this morning, had my truck at the house but it's kind of overkill for anything less than a foot and a half of snow, and gets much worse mileage.
I'm going to head to DIA in a half hour or so go test out their new concoction. Wish me luck.
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RIP
Engine gonna fall out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TICKu1NoNyg
hollohas
12-17-2016, 16:11
I drove down 6th ave after they had laid it down and it had dried before our first snow. The cars were kicking it up so bad it was like a dust storm. Ugh.
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Always comforting to know what kind of junk people will put on the road.
I drove the wife's Rodeo this morning, had my truck at the house but it's kind of overkill for anything less than a foot and a half of snow, and gets much worse mileage.
SUV's do have better balance than a pickup unless you heavily weight the rear of said pickup.
I'd prefer to drive the AWD sedan always unless it's too deep.
Jokes on them, my winter car is already 17% rust.
blacklabel
12-17-2016, 21:18
RIP
They canceled her flight last night so I sat at DIA for three hours waiting for her plane to get a gate today instead. I would have rather tried my luck last night.
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SUV's do have better balance than a pickup unless you heavily weight the rear of said pickup.
I'd prefer to drive the AWD sedan always unless it's too deep.
When the snow gets nasty enough, I shovel the driveway into the back of the truck. At that point, traction is not an issue. Stopping requires some planning, though...[ROFL1]
Grant H.
12-17-2016, 22:02
When the snow gets nasty enough, I shovel the driveway into the back of the truck. At that point, traction is not an issue. Stopping requires some planning, though...[ROFL1]
I pretty much always do this.
Takes a little more effort when shoveling, but not a lot, and it adds some weight to the truck... Every little bit helps with the powered hockey puck.
sandman76
12-17-2016, 22:24
I pretty much always do this.
Takes a little more effort when shoveling, but not a lot, and it adds some weight to the truck... Every little bit helps with the powered hockey puck.
I always do that, too. During a cul-de-sac shoveling session after a big snow last year my neighbor just couldn't understand. Most of my neighbors have snowblowers. There is one or two times a winter that I wish I had a snowblower instead of a Harley. Uh. Nope.
When the snow gets nasty enough, I shovel the driveway into the back of the truck. At that point, traction is not an issue. Stopping requires some planning, though...[ROFL1]
[Beer]
A well aimed snowblower chute accomplishes this too.
Couldn't we just use urine? It is completely biodegradable and can be produced by drinking beer. I will gladly drink beer and urinate into a tanker truck.
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BladesNBarrels
12-18-2016, 10:41
There is one or two times a winter that I wish I had a snowblower instead of a Harley. Uh. Nope.
Why not both?
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll242/gearheadchoppers/bikes/wlsnowplow.jpg
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