Scope for RPR noob

[muddywings]

Ok, it's been asked and answered a 100 times over, I know but it's a bit overwhelming for a noob. Also, if it should go in the optics forum MODs can move but I think this place gets more foot traffic.

A Ruger Precision Rifle is lacking from the gun collection so hopefully this spring I can pull the trigger on 6.5CM. (Honestly, my wife is more interested in getting into the precision game than me but it would be fun.)

So, I just scored a X-mas gift card for Amazon that gets me close enough to look for a scope. Looking at Burris or Vortex but the HST seems a bit closer in the price range of $500-1000 for me.
First, as a complete noob with no scope background other than an MTAC for 3Gun, the first question is MOA or Mil-dot. Seems per my research that the preference is Mil-Dot for this game.
Second, toss me some Amazon options in that price range and why. (I'm obviously leaning towards the HST https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-6-24x50mm-Riflescope-VHS-4310-Defender/dp/B01BJKCRFK/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1481911100&sr=1-5&keywords=vortex+hst+6-24x50 but I'll take recommendations)

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

[newracer]

I got a RPR a few weeks ago, will likely put a Vortex Viper PST on it, not sure of exact model yet.

[MarkCO]

The Burris XTRII is a superior optic to the Vortex. Clearer glass, truer color, less haze, especially at higher mag. I can see better at 20x with the XTRII than at 24x with the Vortex.

Mil for sure. The SCR reticles http://www.burrisoptics.com/reticles/scr-mil are awesome. I'd suggest you look at the 4-20 as it is about perfect and you will rarely even use 20x.

[CS1983]

I'm a big vortex fan. Their mid range offerings are probably no better than other companies when it gets down to it. What other companies don't offer, however, is the ability for you to use that scope as a baseball bat, sell it to me, and then let me exchange it for a brand new equivalent model if they cannot repair. Or, if you are walking along and slip and fall and trash the scope? Replaced.

MOA or Mil is more personal preference than anything, but you need your knobs to match the reticle (no Mil ret/MOA knobs). I prefer Mil, though I suspect it's more due to familiarity than anything.

[MarkCO]

Burris Warranty: http://www.burrisoptics.com/customer-service/warranty can't be beat.

I had an MTAC 6-24 that got damaged being dropped 50' over a rock edge. No longer made so they sent me a XTRII 5-25 instead. That is a 2x upgrade BTW. :)

[CS1983]

Burris Warranty: http://www.burrisoptics.com/customer-service/warranty can't be beat.

I had an MTAC 6-24 that got damaged being dropped 50' over a rock edge. No longer made so they sent me a XTRII 5-25 instead. That is a 2x upgrade BTW. :)

Didn't realize they'd finally caught up to Vortex in this regard.

In such a case, I say go with whatever is best bang for buck on features!

Who else has this sort of warranty?

[zimagold]

Note, Vortex is revamping the PST line. Launch in spring. May be able to find a good deal on a closeout. As MarkCO already stated, the Burris has superior glass to the Gen 1 PST, but it is normally a few hundred more last I looked.

[MarkCO]

Didn't realize they'd finally caught up to Vortex in this regard.

In such a case, I say go with whatever is best bang for buck on features!

Who else has this sort of warranty?

They have had that for at least the last 3 years. I can't say when they improved it for sure, but they have said it is entrenched now and goes back to old optics as well. Leupold, Bushnell have those types of warranties as well. Swarovski, Nightforce, S&B, Kahles do not, and with most of those, abuse is excluded. Good luck trying to get fast turn-around.

Vortex and Burris, with both I have seen them ship out a loaner optic next day for hunters with an optic issue. That is service. I own a few Vortex optics as well, but it has to be something neither company offers for me to consider anything else.

[stevenc23]

The new Vortex PST Get II looks very nice indeed but will probably be hard to find for a while. On the flip side there should be some good deals to be had on the Gen I.
As stated by others their warranty/customer service is awesome.


Note, Vortex is revamping the PST line. Launch in spring. May be able to find a good deal on a closeout. As MarkCO already stated, the Burris has superior glass to the Gen 1 PST, but it is normally a few hundred more last I looked.

[muddywings]

Scopes make my head hurt.

[Delfuego]

I think Mils are easier than MOA because everything is 1/10, but it really doesn't matter much. If all you buddy's are in mils or minutes it is a little easy to share wind calls. If you can learn to speak in values (like full / half value) or even better, actual mph it make the differences moot.

I would also recommend getting a reticle that is newer that a old fashion mil-dot. Get a First Focal plane scope! The one you listed is not 1st focal, that is why it is less cash. If you serious about long range (or you're wife is) make sure you get a FFP scope.

Burris XTR II 4-20x is a great scope, better than the 5-25x version. SCR reticle has 2/10ths mil marks which are great. The Gen2 mildot reticle is OK, I personally would only get the SCR.
If you want a Vortex I would wait for the Generation 2 PST. It should be much improved over the current models better zero-stop, glass, etc.
Bushnell DMR2 (or DMR / HDMR) is good scope in this class also. Not sure if it is within you're budget.
There are some other options out there too and more companies are getting in the game.

Feel free to PM and I would be happy to help or try to explain any of this stuff.

[muddywings]

So it's between a burris 4-20 with a scr-mil model number 201042 for $1000ish and a Vortex PST 6-24 EBR-1/EBR-2c but that looks like, it's dead jim. Maybe I can use my amazon credits through optics planet to get an old model but either way, I'll have to save some more pennies....unless Vortex is going to put their gen2 models for a much lower price point next spring.
Using Amazon will be the limfac.
Anybody need a kidney?

[kwando]

I have a PST 6-24 FFP EBR2C Mil on my Rem700 if you are interested in looking through it. I am a newb and don't have anything to compare it to, but i feel it's more of a scope than I will ever need for a 308.

[Great-Kazoo]

So it's between a burris 4-20 with a scr-mil model number 201042 for $1000ish and a Vortex PST 6-24 EBR-1/EBR-2c but that looks like, it's dead jim. Maybe I can use my amazon credits through optics planet to get an old model but either way, I'll have to save some more pennies....unless Vortex is going to put their gen2 models for a much lower price point next spring.
Using Amazon will be the limfac.
Anybody need a kidney?


I'd pull the 4-20 off my AR if you really want one. OR sell you a 3-15. Both XTRii's with full burris warranty. I have the box and paperwork for the 3-15, probably the same for the 4-20. The 4-20 with PEPR mount was on a RPR. Still have the dope card for it, somewhere.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/159864-FS-bURRIS-XTRii-3-15

[longrange2]

I love the Burris XTR II scopes I have. Are they the equal of my Kahles? No, but for the price point they are excellent. I have several vortex PST as well but prefer the Burris.

[XC700116]

Go with the Burris over the Viper PST, hands down, I've had 2 Viper PST's (still have one) 5 XTRII's (still have 2 of them) and still have a Gen 1 Razor. Just handling a pst vs a Burris it will become obvious which is more durable. Also the Burris Gets you into a 34mm Tube (Better light transmission, more travel for reaching longer shots without having to hold over, etc) In all honesty I think the Burris is really close to the class of scope that a Gen 1 Razor is. Plus the SCR reticle is hands down better IMO than anything Vortex is currently producing.

As to the power in the burris, go 4-20, again, far better package than the 5-25. The 5-25 gets so dark above 20X that extra 5X is almost unusable anyway, and the 4-20 is a physically smaller package. I've owned both and shot plenty with both, I sold my 5-25's and still have my 4-20's.

All that said, You can normally find Gen 1 Razors used for the same price as the Burris and it's got better glass.

One last one I'd suggest you consider is a Bushnell 3.5-21 Elite Tactical. https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Tactical-Reticle-Riflescope-3-5-21x50mm/dp/B006UJ03H0

[Tim K]

I have a Burris 3-15 and 5-25. I agree that the 4-20 is probably the best choice. Come up to Woodland Park and fondle them. There might be a NF ATACR, Vortex PST, USO, and a couple of Steiners you can look through for comparison sake lying around here somewhere. ��

[ar15shooter]

I would check out the Bushnell Elite ERS or XRS line of scopes. Great glass (Japan), good reticle, flawless adjustments (locking turrets and zero stop) and a no questions asked warranty. The only thing that the Bushnell ERS is lacking is the ability to illuminate the reticle (The HDMR II has an illuminated reticle). I have been running four different versions of the Elite Tactical series on various platforms for a while now with no issues. You can find a used ERS 3.5-21 for around the $1000-$1200 range and the older DMR scope can be picked up even cheaper but lacks zero stop and 10 mil per rotation turrets.

The Burris XTR II scope does seem like it offers a lot of features for the price point and I would like to place my hands on one. I do like the SCR reticle as it offers .2 Mil wind holds.

Oh and Vortex does offer a similar reticle (EBR-7) to the SCR but it is in a much different price point (Razor AMG).

[muddywings]

Thanks all. (Forgot to subscribe to my own thread...lol)
I have leading contender in the xtr 4-20 but with most of my funds locked to amazon it will be awhile before i can pull the trigger seeing how the $500-1000 price range was unrealistic. (do it right or don't do it....to a point)
And correct me if i'm wrong but SCR/MIL would be this one: https://www.amazon.com/Burris-4-20x-50mm-Illuminator-Riflescope-201042/dp/B00U1ATLFO/ref=sr_1_sc_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1482109817&sr=8-3-spell&keywords=xtri+ii+4-20

[XC700116]

correct, search for Burris 201042

[muddywings]

Thread revival... xtrii 4-20 still better option over the 5-25? Just like to know before I mount the 4-20. (It's been a long year $$ wise)


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[Hoser]

Either will work just fine.

I have lots of 5-25s, 4-16s and a couple 5-20s.

If you miss a target it won't be because of that extra 5X, it will be because of a missed wind call.

[Delfuego]

Dooooo it....

On those XTR's the 20-25x can get really dark that's why the 4-20x is a little better. You are not losing out.

Heck, if you want extra, I could probably trade you a 5-25 for your 4-20 ;)

[muddywings]

Thanks....thats all i needed.
SOOOOOOONNNNNNN