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I can't even...just wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-TOE-FVDc
Aloha_Shooter
12-25-2016, 03:40
Ugh ... there is going to be some kind of accident under that guy's "instruction" and it's going to make the rest of us look like threats to society. Not only should he be fired, his credentials as an instructor should be revoked immediately -- as should who ever was acting as RSO for that.
Great-Kazoo
12-25-2016, 09:05
we have discussed these videos before. I believe this one is also Jacob Romo the wheelchair gunfighter and Kenaz tactical.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/69791-THE-quot-WTF-were-they-thinking-quot-thread!/page98?highlight=wheelchair+gunfighter
post 979 if you want to see more.
Yeah that was an interesting vid also.
blacklabel
12-25-2016, 09:07
But he'll always be ready for the fight. A lot of what he has to say I agree with and he's definitely entertaining but I'd never take a class from him.
Lol, remember that one I posted years back that got like 25 pages? (The former paintball field turned mall ninja incredibly unsafe shoot house w/ tac fatty and crew)
I still would pay $100 to have that video, but sadly no one saved it and the company yanked it.
Madeinhb
12-25-2016, 12:06
Wtf
the nihilist in me wants the SJW's to see all the backlash this video is getting and start harping on how gun owners hate handicapped people.
Owner of that pistol instructor might challenge you for a "duel" because we talked about his training method.
[Shock]
I had to watch that twice, to make sure I was seeing what I was actually seeing.
They should get that dude a set of tracks for his wheel chair.
Great-Kazoo
12-26-2016, 22:20
the nihilist in me wants the SJW's to see all the backlash this video is getting and start harping on how gun owners hate handicapped people.
Only some handicapped.
tried posting yesterday, but it took this long to........... LEAVE PAGE [Coffee]
They should get that dude a set of tracks for his wheel chair.
Or go really high tech and use a rake to clear a path. [facepalm]
Only some handicapped.
tried posting yesterday, but it took this long to........... LEAVE PAGE [Coffee]
Still having that issue after clearing site specific data/cookies/cache?
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Or go really high tech and use a rake to clear a path. [facepalm]
But then he'd need to make friends with a combat engineer platoon to clear all obstacles in the future. He's already permanently mounted, so tracks make the most operational sense for him. :D
Just noticed that this is the same knucklehead that does the 360 degree turn around after he's done shooting...so much for keeping the muzzle in a safe direction. Isn't he the one that shot himself while "practicing" near contact shooting?
*NSFW language*
http://youtu.be/paxk_LPmdMI
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=20e_1292474614
[Coffee]
Original video in post 1 is now kaput.
TheSparkens
12-27-2016, 20:56
Go on youtube and this ass hat has a new video try to explain how he shots himself, what he did wrong and how he screwed the pooch.
Just noticed that this is the same knucklehead that does the 360 degree turn around after he's done shooting...so much for keeping the muzzle in a safe direction. Isn't he the one that shot himself while "practicing" near contact shooting?
*NSFW language*
http://youtu.be/paxk_LPmdMI
Original video in post 1 is now kaput.
Replaced dead link.
And now for the explanation: DERP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4m0aQZ-x4
I'm surprised that he could find someone to hold a gun out for 11 minutes.
So I had to think over this video for a bit, and this is how I feel about it.
I can do, and even would do, everything in that video, both from the perspective of the shooter, and the narrator. But I don't. Does the fact that I don't conduct myself that way while training somehow invalidate my skills? I don't think so. Nothing they were doing was learned by doing those drills, of that I'm sure. He hand picked a guy to have shoot next to him, just as I would, but I doubt he'd casually stand next to a target at a public range. I think his actions will be so loud that they'll completely drown out his message. Oh well.
No one I believe is arguing that the VSO douche is violating any of the four weapons safety rules as described by Col. Jeff Cooper, or any other set of 2-5 firearm safety fundamental rules for that matter. People are having issues with his lack of common sense.
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bobbyfairbanks
01-03-2017, 08:46
Go on youtube and this ass hat has a new video try to explain how he shots himself, what he did wrong and how he screwed the pooch.
at least texgrebner or whatever his name is is trying to improve. Looking for the problem and how to fix it. A lot of people think they are pros and they clearly are not. There are people on this forum that are like that.
The point is identify stupid gun people stay far away from them. They won't change
So let me get this straight.
They are now trying to justify, by claiming no "gun safety rules" were violated, the fact that a TRAINEE being pushed in a wheelchair by someone else, where said TRAINEE is actively firing on the move over a rough surface that causes his aim to pitch at any point in time, while bullets go downrange where other TRAINEES are present, is somehow defensible to massive derp? And they're adding that anyone that thinks they're in the wrong is a geek?
Wow.
I don't care how well trained someone else is, I'm not ok with people shooting in my general direction. Period. It tend to make me cranky.
So let me get this straight.
They are now trying to justify, by claiming no "gun safety rules" were violated, the fact that a TRAINEE being pushed in a wheelchair by someone else, where said TRAINEE is actively firing on the move over a rough surface that causes his aim to pitch at any point in time, while bullets go downrange where other TRAINEES are present, is somehow defensible to massive derp? And they're adding that anyone that thinks they're in the wrong is a geek?
Wow.
Are we positive the first video and the VSO Channel video are direcly related? The first video doesn't indicate what training class is being shown.
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Are we positive the first video and the VSO Channel video are direcly related? The first video doesn't indicate what training class is being shown.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Whether directly related or not, they have attached themselves to it by approbation of the issue at hand.
I'm all for realistic training. My biggest beef with most ranges is the fact that it's generally a static situation, whereas good training beyond the basics is never static. However, as I'm sure you remember from your extensive CQB training in the Marine Corps, such levels of training as blurring the line of fire for realism was something which was led up to and had potentially hundreds of hours of dry fire or sim trigger time before real bullets went out barrels. Even when we did reflexive fire in the Army, half the range day was spent dry firing over and over before we worked on live fire pivoting, walking, etc. If we had a malfunction, our handlers (we always had a safety with hand on pull handle of our gear)had us keep walking forward while addressing the issue so we didn't get behind the line of fire during the movement. Shoot houses were also a repetitious exercise with dry fire or blanks, with live fire being the culmination.
The thing is, there is no way they trained for the situation in the original video. It was obviously an ad hoc situation where dude went from handicapable to handicapped pretty quickly due to the terrain. Instead of pulling him off the line and addressing the issue, clearing his lane for trafficability, etc., they put an entire line of shooters at risk.
That the original instructors or some other instructors would then try to justify that is laughable (in that really uncomfortable WTH sort of way). That class wasn't grunts who had the same training for hours upon hours, it wasn't FSB or Spetsnaz or Rangers or SF or Delta or whatever. It was a bunch of yokels being led by other yokels who should have had the common sense to announce a ceasefire and reassess the ability of that person to be on the line without compromising the safety and risk to others.
If not directly related, and I'm reading this right, it would appear he was there?
The "me" highlight was not present in the original video.
https://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=68613&d=1483478568
Are we positive the first video and the VSO Channel video are direcly related? The first video doesn't indicate what training class is being shown.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Yes, directly related. Here's the DERP "After Action Report" following his training with James Yeager at Tactical Response
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUnrEgVivWQ
Same "CEO" here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=344-QSNJEJ0
Oh, wait... he's a student of the Yeager school of double down on dumbassery?
It's all starting to make sense now.
Oh, wait... he's a student of the Yeager school of double down on dumbassery?
It's all starting to make sense now.
He also duel people.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=james+yeager+duel&search_plus_one=form
Whether directly related or not, they have attached themselves to it by approbation of the issue at hand.
I'm all for realistic training. My biggest beef with most ranges is the fact that it's generally a static situation, whereas good training beyond the basics is never static. However, as I'm sure you remember from your extensive CQB training in the Marine Corps, such levels of training as blurring the line of fire for realism was something which was led up to and had potentially hundreds of hours of dry fire or sim trigger time before real bullets went out barrels. Even when we did reflexive fire in the Army, half the range day was spent dry firing over and over before we worked on live fire pivoting, walking, etc. If we had a malfunction, our handlers (we always had a safety with hand on pull handle of our gear)had us keep walking forward while addressing the issue so we didn't get behind the line of fire during the movement. Shoot houses were also a repetitious exercise with dry fire or blanks, with live fire being the culmination.
The thing is, there is no way they trained for the situation in the original video. It was obviously an ad hoc situation where dude went from handicapable to handicapped pretty quickly due to the terrain. Instead of pulling him off the line and addressing the issue, clearing his lane for trafficability, etc., they put an entire line of shooters at risk.
That the original instructors or some other instructors would then try to justify that is laughable (in that really uncomfortable WTH sort of way). That class wasn't grunts who had the same training for hours upon hours, it wasn't FSB or Spetsnaz or Rangers or SF or Delta or whatever. It was a bunch of yokels being led by other yokels who should have had the common sense to announce a ceasefire and reassess the ability of that person to be on the line without compromising the safety and risk to others.
Could not agree more. Mr. VSO guy, (don't know his name) lost me when him and his butt buddys started purposely causing otherwise reliable functioning handguns to suffer catastrophic failures and then blaming the manufacturer for their idiocy.
I am all for realistic training and lots of it and wholeheartedly believe most of us within this community, myself included do not get enough of it. But training for real life isn't valuable if it gets you, or someone else killed during or after training.
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