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So for the better part of a year now, probably longer than that actually, one of Trump's main campaign points was that he was going to institute a ban on people coming in from countries that are known to send us terrorists. I would think if you were from one of those countries, you would aim to be back before this guy was able to officially use his POTUS pen. Now these people are pissed because the music stopped and they don't have a chair to sit in.
Any idea what Trump's next move is to fight the ACLU and the judge?
And to that point, does anyone know what the "A" in "ACLU" stands for? I thought it was "Americans" but that can't be right if they are spending money fighting for foreigners.
Great-Kazoo
01-28-2017, 23:21
It's not a Ban, it's a 120 day moratorium so we can better vet immigrants. Not that i'd loose sleep if any middle eastern of Muslim leaning ideology were never allowed to roll a prayer rug out on American soil again.
There's also not a mass refusal turning American Citizens with green cards around. F0X 31 interviewed one of the many SJW attorneys @ DIA. He said the ones he "Heard about" were never detained
Once again the media is doing a well planned hatchet job, in unison with the SJW Open borders global,crowd. All who feel AMERICA FIRST is some Hitleresque cry, for the eradication of anyone not white or christian.
Yet continually embrace the same religion that wouldn't blink an eye while beheading any of those useless fukers.
How does that mindset continue to thrive?
Yeah, it sucks for people who are trying to become citizens, I get that, but if you were dumb enough to leave in the last week or so and expect to try and come back now, that is on you. I think this means you fail question one of the citizen test and it is time to go back to your home country.
I predict that this thread will go full retard almost immediately. Why is it dumb for a green card holder to leave the country?
Zundfolge
01-29-2017, 00:59
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And to that point, does anyone know what the "A" in "ACLU" stands for? I thought it was "Americans" but that can't be right if they are spending money fighting for foreigners.
That is exactly what my wife and I were thinking. And she hates Trump (not as much as she hates hillary).
I guess it now stands for Anyone.
RblDiver
01-29-2017, 07:11
Tangentally related enough that I don't feel like making a new thread, but it really is feeling like a new civil war is brewing (or at the very least a rebellion is forming). The other day was talk about the California secession vote people are trying to force, now I read that they're looking at stoping payments to the federal government in retaliation for the feds withholding money from "sanctuary cities."
We're living in interesting times of the Chinese variety, to be sure.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/01/27/california-could-cut-off-feds-in-response-to-trump-threats/
ar15shooter
01-29-2017, 08:23
And to that point, does anyone know what the "A" in "ACLU" stands for? I thought it was "Americans" but that can't be right if they are spending money fighting for foreigners.
I always thought ACLU stood for All Criminals Love Us
Bailey Guns
01-29-2017, 09:07
Any idea what Trump's next move is to fight the ACLU and the judge?
DEPORTATION DISPUTE: DHS will continue to enforce Trump's refugee travel ban, despite court ruling (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html) - FoxNews.com Headline
Kinda what I figured Trump would do...and I'm OK with it. Seriously...what's the court gonna do?
ETA: After reading the article does anyone notice a difference in tone of the language in the DHS statements from the past 8 years? I certainly do.
Double00
01-29-2017, 09:21
In before the lock just in case I think of something to say!
Great-Kazoo
01-29-2017, 09:23
Tangentally related enough that I don't feel like making a new thread, but it really is feeling like a new civil war is brewing (or at the very least a rebellion is forming). The other day was talk about the California secession vote people are trying to force, now I read that they're looking at stoping payments to the federal government in retaliation for the feds withholding money from "sanctuary cities."
We're living in interesting times of the Chinese variety, to be sure.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/01/27/california-could-cut-off-feds-in-response-to-trump-threats/
Once again the comments make it interesting. Considering the majority of them are CA residents, it will be interesting times.
California is about to learn what every pot smoking teenager eventually learns.
Well, if it’s economical, it won’t be very bad…
Melanie, you do know that “Illegal Immigrants are NOT “citizens”, don’t you? If not, you may wish to change that “public school graduate” avatar.
One of the better and factual comments
This California wealth, you all keep dropping, is from agricultural farming from die hard Republican areas, not trashy liberal fascists who don’t want to get jobs because it would take away from protest time.
Why is it dumb for a green card holder to leave the country?
If you are not a citizen and you left the country to visit one of these questionable regions expecting to come back a week after he took office you put yourself in this situation. He has been saying it from the beginning, I'm just glad to see that he is at least trying to do things he said he would.
Zundfolge
01-29-2017, 11:47
Tangentally related enough that I don't feel like making a new thread, but it really is feeling like a new civil war is brewing (or at the very least a rebellion is forming).
In the run up to the election I seriously agreed with you there (and had Hillary won and controlled the guns of the state, maybe) but I've come to realize that we're really up against a paper tiger here.
Leftists will sabre rattle but that's it. Most of them are incredibly soft and cowardly people. Just look at the AntiFA idiot that punched Richard Spencer ... really, with a running sucker punch you can't knock a bookish nerd to the ground?
I believe there are a lot of leftists that think they would love to see a civil war, but it would last 7-10 hours because 90% of the guns are on our side (both in civilian hands and the military) and they'd come out on the losing end.
Go watch videos of what happens when AntiFA black bloc fools run into bikers or blue collar workin' folk trying to get to work. You see weak little baristas and gender studies majors clad in black hoodies prattling on about Fascism and White Supremacy getting the shit knocked out of them and then they cry to the police (that they were just calling Nazis) to do something about it and finding themselves arrested. Go read the whiny little AntiFA bitches complaining that they're facing serious felony charges now for their antics instead of the disorderly conduct charges they used to face and how unfair it is. These people are simply not serious and shouldn't be taken as such.
GilpinGuy
01-29-2017, 13:06
Tangentally related enough that I don't feel like making a new thread, but it really is feeling like a new civil war is brewing (or at the very least a rebellion is forming). The other day was talk about the California secession vote people are trying to force, now I read that they're looking at stoping payments to the federal government in retaliation for the feds withholding money from "sanctuary cities."
I don't know about a civil war, but the divide is getting wider, as planned by the left.
While anecdotal, I've seen an uptick in racial skirmishes at the casino: black dude calling white dude "Trump Boy" and white trash guy going off on hispanics saying "go home, Trump is POTUS now" (Hispanic chick then spit in his face), and on and on. All involved are assholes.
The left is winning. And while I'm glad Trump beat Hillary, it's going to get worse.
As far as Cali leaving, it would be nice, but none of the other blue states would ever go along with it
Don't know that the "left is winning"?
They continue to do the same things that lost them over 1000 government seats in the last 6 years.
RblDiver
01-29-2017, 16:04
I'm a bit surprised this hasn't been reported more. A co-founder and current CEO of Lyft, Logan Green, has just pledged $1 million over the next 4 years to the ACLU. https://twitter.com/logangreen/status/825756698832834560
(Meanwhile, Uber's response was much more reasonable and measured: https://www.facebook.com/traviskal/posts/1331814113506421 )
Honey Badger282.8
01-29-2017, 16:30
Lyft spammed my email with some pro-aclu garbage as well.
GilpinGuy
01-29-2017, 16:47
Don't know that the "left is winning"?
They continue to do the same things that lost them over 1000 government seats in the last 6 years.
They are winning in the sense that they are dividing us further and further. Classic Saul Alinsky and "Rules for Radicals".
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Go watch videos of what happens when AntiFA black bloc fools run into bikers or blue collar workin' folk trying to get to work. You see weak little baristas and gender studies majors clad in black hoodies prattling on about Fascism and White Supremacy getting the shit knocked out of them and then they cry to the police (that they were just calling Nazis) to do something about it and finding themselves arrested. Go read the whiny little AntiFA bitches complaining that they're facing serious felony charges now for their antics instead of the disorderly conduct charges they used to face and how unfair it is. These people are simply not serious and shouldn't be taken as such.
Agreed on antifa. I'm really not worried about them.
The Left is sorely lacking in foot soldiers. Every SJW is a thought leader but never a real soldier. Someone who won't get a job, or cries about a felony charge like you said, isn't going to take a round for the cause.
The Left has been looking for some good soldiers for decades which I why I think they play the race games, but it is failing. Even in the peak of Ferguson/Baltimore they tried to paint it as "white supremacy" (indicting groups on race) but it fizzled.
In the WoT Libs found a new useful group (which is the very subject of this thread). Notice how the coalition didn't exist prior but now the Left is concerned with religious freedom (for some people)? To the extent that they will ignore what Sharia says about women and gays. But the Christian baker couldn't have his conscious, of course.
They're giving up a lot to bring Islam into their fold and at great risk. Even if they beat us, there is massive conflict on their horizon.
I think everyone decrying this needs to take an English class and a class on the Constitution...
Suspension of allowing people into our Country from those Countries with unstable governments or with who we have no diplomatic relations...because we can't officially operate there to do the needed work to clear these people. That is legal and reasonable. They are making it into something it is not.
Did maybe a few people get caught in the net? Maybe, but they are getting sorted out. Interesting that 3 of the 4 judges only dealt with that small group.
Fun exercise for the crybabies -- how hard is it to immigrate officially to the following 7 countries:
Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen
Great-Kazoo
01-29-2017, 18:43
They have a hard time understanding, Immigration IS NOT Protected by the Constitution.
They have a hard time understanding, Immigration IS NOT Protected by the Constitution.
But, but... we are the world!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BNoNFKCBI
funkymonkey1111
01-29-2017, 19:36
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/29/republicans-on-trump-travel-ban/
Mike Coffman joins Juan McSame and Little Marco in opposing the ban
It's a moratorium, not a ban.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/29/republicans-on-trump-travel-ban/
Mike Coffman joins Juan McSame and Little Marco in opposing the ban
These guys are going to get run over by the Trump Train and I'll be cheering. Not one of them would give up a love one to terrorism. But the rest of us are fair game.
Same thing with illegal immigration I guess.
They have a hard time understanding, Immigration IS NOT Protected by the Constitution.
Doesn't matter. They were promised Cultural Marxism and that is what they demand.
If we let in terrorists, we'll have more terrorism.
"If we don't let in terrorists, we'll have more terrorism."
Bailey Guns
01-29-2017, 19:59
But, but... we are the world!
That's one of those phrases that make me cringe. Right up there with "we're all in this together". No...we're not.
Anyone think it is a rope-a-dope to crush the liberals? Obama did the EXACT same thing for 180 days in 2011 and not a peep.
Aloha_Shooter
01-29-2017, 20:30
Anyone think it is a rope-a-dope to crush the liberals? Obama did the EXACT same thing for 180 days in 2011 and not a peep.
It hadn't occurred to me until now but that would fit in with Trump's MO during the primaries. The media has consistently portrayed him as stupid because 1) he switched from Democrat to Republican and 2) he's been on TV. They forget that he built his business long before he was on TV and you don't grow a business like his by being stupid (unethical maybe but stupid, no). I've disliked Trump's style and showmanship, haven't trusted his conversion to conservatism, and underestimated his commitment to seeing this through but I've never thought he was stupid.
They want stupid, they should go interview Meryl Streep and ask her how she felt about maligning and decimating the US apple industry with her Alar scare 20 years ago.
Shooter45
01-29-2017, 20:33
This is the serious misquote, often what the "wonderful media" is portraying. It is not a ban, simply a temporary block until the problem is figured out and a way to solve the vetting program. It is the same that any other institution would do with a problem. If a business is having massive breaches in it's computers, it would temporarily suspend it or block it to figure out the problem. Yet the media shows this as a "block" because he's "racist."
JohnnyDrama
01-29-2017, 21:17
It's a moratorium, not a ban.
I believe President Trump saw a chance to make some political hay. He knew it would be challenged and likely struck down before it had much of a chance but if you're going to take a shot across someone's bow why waste it? 1)He can say to his constituents he did something. 2)He can really piss of the left and see how much flak is capable of being delivered, and how. 3)He can demonstrate that he means business. 4)Banning people/restricting travel from certain countries will get the leaders of those countries attention. Another tool for the bargaining table. 5)Lastly, this makes the conflicts, the corruption, the state sponsored terrorist activities, etc., "real" for the liberals with Muslim friends who can no longer travel, for the students with Muslim professors, for the scientists and engineers who live in the restricted nations, in short, for all those who preach the idea of "Islam is a religion of peace".
It wasn't about keeping terrorists out as much as it was a way of telling the world he's not going to let them walk all over us.
Aloha_Shooter
01-29-2017, 21:19
The overreaction and intentional mischaracterizations by the media are great for reducing the bloat on my cell phone and tablet. I dropped Pandora after they came out in support of BLM and uninstalled Lyft after they came out in support of those protesting the moratorium. Now if Samsung would just make a Galaxy phone that used Linux instead of Android, I could drop Google ...
Seen something from the left about how Trump is only placing travel restrictions in countries where he has no business interests, as in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar are off the list.
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kidicarus13
01-29-2017, 22:25
Seen something from the left
Reading that crap, your first mistake.
Seen something from the left about how Trump is only placing travel restrictions in countries where he has no business interests, as in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar are off the list.
They were never on the "list". The USA has diplomatic relations and US intelligence officials in those countries. That allows the proper vetting to occur...that is the only reason.
Reading that crap, your first mistake.
I personally would support an indefinite ban on immigration from EVERY Muslim country except for Christians, true allies like vetted Terps, Muslims in name only, and orphaned children. I don't buy the BS about it being because Trump has business interests with the Muslim states off of his seven nation list, but just because a country is a "moderate Muslim country" should not exempt them from heightened scrutiny IMHO.
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Seen something from the left about how Trump is only placing travel restrictions in countries where he has no business interests, as in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar are off the list.
I guess they forgot to mention that "the list" was a product of the Obama administration. [Coffee]
speedysst
01-29-2017, 23:08
Didnt former President Obama do something similar in 2011 without any crying or protests?
The left, which includes the MSM, wouldn't let facts get in their way.
I will get an earful from my Bernie supporting Professor tomorrow in Social Psychology about how Trump is like Hitler again.
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spqrzilla
01-29-2017, 23:58
Seen something from the left about how Trump is only placing travel restrictions in countries where he has no business interests, as in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar are off the list.
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Its a slander. The list of countries is based on a Congressional legislation from 2015, supplemented with countries chosen by Obama's Dept of Homeland Security.
Aloha_Shooter
01-30-2017, 04:55
It just occurred to me how brilliant this whole thing was. Trump's moratorium was based on a list generated by the Obama administration and is really not any different from what Obama did 6 years ago so again his opponents get all spun up and end up looking like idiots. But here's the really genius part of it: He's let the fervor against the immigration moratorium build up all weekend so that's all the liberals can think about right now ... and he's releasing his SCOTUS pick this week, possibly today.
Either the Left completely ignores the SCOTUS pick because they're spun up already about the immigration protests OR they fracture and neither protest is able to build a significant head of steam. Timing is everything and this looks positively Machiavellian (but for good reasons).
Rucker61
01-30-2017, 06:48
Its a slander. The list of countries is based on a Congressional legislation from 2015, supplemented with countries chosen by Obama's Dept of Homeland Security.
Here's a liberal friendly source to support that claim:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-administration-chose-the-7-countries/
Here's a liberal friendly source to support that claim:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-administration-chose-the-7-countries/
LOL. In that article it questions why Somalia and not Saudi Arabia?
Um... Jeez I don't know... Maybe cause Somalia doesn't have a real functioning government???
The media is so corrupt.......
LOL. In that article it questions why Somalia and not Saudi Arabia?
Um... Jeez I don't know... Maybe cause Somalia doesn't have a real functioning government???
The media is so corrupt.......
Yeah, true... but KSA also supports terrorism via the Wahabi sect so there's that...
Yeah, true... but KSA also supports terrorism via the Wahabi sect so there's that...
And the whole part of they might stop selling us their oil (for now) relativley cheap.
This all just seems like it's a political ploy to satiate the base. I'm no fan of any organized religion, but broad stroking a whole group of people like muslims would be like generalizing that all white people are complicit in racism because we don't go out and do something about it. Shouldn't those of us that are military age go out a crush groups like the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood and Neo-Nazis to help protect other American citizens?
Hopefully it is just a moratorium so we can figure out a vetting process for immigrants and setup a procedure on how to determine who and how many to let in. It just seems both sides are creating hysteria which only benefits the news networks who can spin the story to suit their needs and get their audience in an uproar to gain ratings and charge more for advertising.
When muslim terrorists do terrorist things, they're simply obeying the dictates and example of Mohammed. The non-terries are actually bad muslims if they are against such actions or do not provide some other means of support. ISIS and other groups have plainly stated they intend to infiltrate the EU and other places with "refugees". These 7 countries as being banned doesn't go far enough.
Zundfolge
01-30-2017, 09:54
Starbucks has weighed in on Trump's "Muslim Ban".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-starbucks-idUSKBN15E05X
Looks like in response they're going to hire 10,000 refugees.
So that means 3 things:
1) The percentage of Starbucks employees making your food and drinks that wipe their ass with their bare hand will go up.
2) Thousands of Americans with Gender Studies or Art History degrees will remain unemployed.
3) More female Starbucks employees will be raped.
The left, which includes the MSM, wouldn't let facts get in their way.
...or history.
(D) are incessant liars.
Aloha_Shooter
01-30-2017, 10:33
Starbucks has weighed in on Trump's "Muslim Ban".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-starbucks-idUSKBN15E05X
Looks like in response they're going to hire 10,000 refugees.
So that means 3 things:
1) The percentage of Starbucks employees making your food and drinks that wipe their ass with their bare hand will go up.
2) Thousands of Americans with Gender Studies or Art History degrees will remain unemployed.
3) More female Starbucks employees will be raped.
1. From the article, it sounds like Starbucks is doing that hiring outside the US over the next 5 years so you don't have to worry about them when you get your overpriced fancy coffee at a CONUS Starbucks.
2. I wouldn't hire anyone stupid enough to select a college major like "Gender Studies" no matter what was happening on the immigration front. A high school student who wasn't dumb enough to take out $100,000+ in loans to study complete BS would be a better employee.
3. Not if we push a Go Fund Me project to offer female Starbucks employees training and self-defense firearms ... then get SAF to sue Starbucks to allow those women to carry at work for their own protection ... [Coffee]
JohnnyDrama
01-30-2017, 20:04
It just occurred to me how brilliant this whole thing was. Trump's moratorium was based on a list generated by the Obama administration and is really not any different from what Obama did 6 years ago so again his opponents get all spun up and end up looking like idiots. But here's the really genius part of it: He's let the fervor against the immigration moratorium build up all weekend so that's all the liberals can think about right now ... and he's releasing his SCOTUS pick this week, possibly today.
Either the Left completely ignores the SCOTUS pick because they're spun up already about the immigration protests OR they fracture and neither protest is able to build a significant head of steam. Timing is everything and this looks positively Machiavellian (but for good reasons).
Yep.
The Donald spent almost zero political capital and has everybody on the left's panties in such a wad they not only don't know what do now they wont know what to do next.
And.... Sally Yates gets fired because she won't defend it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/backlash-grows-against-trump-travel-002244824.html
Singlestack
01-30-2017, 21:00
Good riddance. If she had a legitimate legal argument to make, that would have been worth considering. But nope, pure politics.
Don't let the door hit your *ss on the way out, honey.
I will get an earful from my Bernie supporting Professor tomorrow in Social Psychology about how Trump is like Hitler again.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
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Sure enough, Professor says " as we begin studying the Nazis you will see some incredible parallels to what is currently going on with our government" and that Trump's halting of immigration and refugees from the seven countries was appalling because:
1. The plan still let's Christians in!
2. It was written by Steve Bannon who is a racist and a bigot!
3. It only bans people from seven countries!
4. It bans entry from Iraqis and they are our allies!
5. It was announced on a Friday and initiated very poorly and inefficiently!
6. It was written very poorly!
7. People will be easily distracted by a future Trump "distraction" and he will extend the policy past its current deadline!
8. Giuliani said that Trump asked him how to ban Muslims, so it's a ban on a religion see!
9. It's a huge deal!
What a peice of work. Grit my teeth, smile, get my class credits and move on.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2017, 21:23
IMO the entire Immigrant issue parallels the homeless one
The D's progressives, Liberals and any other Faux sensitive fuktard who is OUTRAGED over the treatment of both NEVER when asked, want to let either of them stay at their home.
I call the Oh the poor (Insert down trodden) commenters out time & time again. Asking how many they have taken in, fed, clothed, gave free run of their property & home. NEVER has one said Oh yes we've had X here .
Nope, the echo chamber reverberates with RACIST, UNCARING endless stream of useless talking point attacks.
Once again confirming they want you to feel bad about their guilt.
Aloha_Shooter
01-30-2017, 21:46
And.... Sally Yates gets fired because she won't defend it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/backlash-grows-against-trump-travel-002244824.html
One more incompetent partisan treasonous political hack gone. Good riddance. Her law license should be reviewed as well given her faithless non-execution of office.
Shooter45
01-30-2017, 22:18
There's no way to officially "vet" most of these guys coming from undeveloped nations, who don't have the infrastructure to keep track of their own citizens, not to mention the fact that many are not giving accurate information about themselves. Back in the day a few years ago, I spoke with a friend working in Baghdad protecting the Ambassador there. The Iraqi President at the time, Maliki, had all of his security guys "vetted" ensuring they were safe for the US to train let alone protect him. That lasted about a month after they'd gotten US training and access to the compound when they were mostly all discovered to be members of Al Qaeda.
Goes to say it is nearly impossible to truly be able to investigate the true story or history about these people.
And.... Sally Yates gets fired because she won't defend it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/backlash-grows-against-trump-travel-002244824.html
http://youtu.be/75SEy1qu71I
Sure enough, Professor says " as we begin studying the Nazis you will see some incredible parallels to what is currently going on with our government" and that Trump's halting of immigration and refugees from the seven countries was appalling because:
1. The plan still let's Christians in!
2. It was written by Steve Bannon who is a racist and a bigot!
3. It only bans people from seven countries!
4. It bans entry from Iraqis and they are our allies!
5. It was announced on a Friday and initiated very poorly and inefficiently!
6. It was written very poorly!
7. People will be easily distracted by a future Trump "distraction" and he will extend the policy past its current deadline!
8. Giuliani said that Trump asked him how to ban Muslims, so it's a ban on a religion see!
9. It's a huge deal!
What a peice of work. Grit my teeth, smile, get my class credits and move on.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
You have my utmost sympathy.
My secret for dealing with professorial noisemakers that had to be endured was to imagine their voices were exactly like the Martians in the movie Mars Attacks! It wasn't all that difficult, as their mannerisms and behavior were already similar.
Hang in there. It sucks that your Social Psychology prof is such a jerk; Social Psych was a pretty interesting class when I took it. Then again, my professor was an older female conservative.
Madeinhb
01-31-2017, 01:05
Sure enough, Professor says " as we begin studying the Nazis you will see some incredible parallels to what is currently going on with our government" and that Trump's halting of immigration and refugees from the seven countries was appalling because:
1. The plan still let's Christians in!
2. It was written by Steve Bannon who is a racist and a bigot!
3. It only bans people from seven countries!
4. It bans entry from Iraqis and they are our allies!
5. It was announced on a Friday and initiated very poorly and inefficiently!
6. It was written very poorly!
7. People will be easily distracted by a future Trump "distraction" and he will extend the policy past its current deadline!
8. Giuliani said that Trump asked him how to ban Muslims, so it's a ban on a religion see!
9. It's a huge deal!
What a peice of work. Grit my teeth, smile, get my class credits and move on.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Fight the power
Sure enough, Professor says " as we begin studying the Nazis you will see some incredible parallels to what is currently going on with our government" and that Trump's halting of immigration and refugees from the seven countries was appalling because:
1. The plan still let's Christians in!
2. It was written by Steve Bannon who is a racist and a bigot!
3. It only bans people from seven countries!
4. It bans entry from Iraqis and they are our allies!
5. It was announced on a Friday and initiated very poorly and inefficiently!
6. It was written very poorly!
7. People will be easily distracted by a future Trump "distraction" and he will extend the policy past its current deadline!
8. Giuliani said that Trump asked him how to ban Muslims, so it's a ban on a religion see!
9. It's a huge deal!
What a peice of work. Grit my teeth, smile, get my class credits and move on.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
I knew several Iraqi terps in passing. Took them like 2-3 years to get approved for immigration under Obama as documented good to go, documented death threats, documented fleeing Iraq to Syria and Jordan. In that part of the world, 2-3 years is effectively a death sentence for such folks.
Here's an article from 2013:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/afghan-iraq-interpreters-siv_n_3481555.html
Note how Falzl was working for us from 2009-2012 and waited over a year for the first round of interviews; his colleagues 2-3 years.
That was entirely under Obama.
Under Obama:
Christians were underrepresented for entry admission in comparison to their presence in the population of the Middle East; while waiting in refugee camps they were subject to even more or worse treatment than they experienced elsewhere
He often did things on a Friday with poor initiation and inefficiency
Obamacare isn't exactly good prose
Obama took credit for withdrawing troops, not by executive fiat but by letting the Bush admin's SOFA expiring -- he campaigned as if he'd just go in and cancel it and pull out
I knew several Iraqi terps in passing. Took them like 2-3 years to get approved for immigration under Obama as documented good to go, documented death threats, documented fleeing Iraq to Syria and Jordan. In that part of the world, 2-3 years is effectively a death sentence for such folks.
Here's an article from 2013:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/afghan-iraq-interpreters-siv_n_3481555.html
Note how Falzl was working for us from 2009-2012 and waited over a year for the first round of interviews; his colleagues 2-3 years.
That was entirely under Obama.
Under Obama:
Christians were underrepresented for entry admission in comparison to their presence in the population of the Middle East; while waiting in refugee camps they were subject to even more or worse treatment than they experienced elsewhere
He often did things on a Friday with poor initiation and inefficiency
Obamacare isn't exactly good prose
Obama took credit for withdrawing troops, not by executive fiat but by letting the Bush admin's SOFA expiring -- he campaigned as if he'd just go in and cancel it and pull out
Here's the story of some of these fine Iraqi informants who were "vetted" and allowed to immigrate after helping our soldiers in Iraq: Colorado: Guilty verdict in Muslim gang rape of elderly woman (http://pamelageller.com/2014/01/colorado-guilty-verdict-muslim-gang-rape-elderly-woman.html/)
The lead investigator is a friend of mine - says he has never seen anything as horrific as this case.
I can tell you of two folks with Top Secret clearances who leaked info. Vetting only says you are not known to have been or done x y or z. There is no magical solution to being a fallen human being. Adam did eat the fruit, after all.
I'm literally laughing out loud. Thank you, this made my day...
http://youtu.be/YklZBA9UBjc
I can tell you of two folks with Top Secret clearances who leaked info. Vetting only says you are not known to have been or done x y or z. There is no magical solution to being a fallen human being. Adam did eat the fruit, after all.
You mean...like background checks with firearms?
You mean...like background checks with firearms?
Yes, though I personally disbelieve in the idea of sub-citizens and the subsequent need for a BGC for a firearm. I'd like to see Felons put to death or otherwise do away with the ruination of a man's life where he pays for his crime after paying for his crime, but that's another topic.
Yes, though I personally disbelieve in the idea of sub-citizens and the subsequent need for a BGC for a firearm. I'd like to see Felons put to death or otherwise do away with the ruination of a man's life where he pays for his crime after paying for his crime, but that's another topic.
Agreed. I just like to see how the left is all about "trusting" non-citizens but wants more restrictions on citizens to exercise rights.
I love watching the leftist morons at work explode over this new vetting procedure.
They don't know that it only applies to 7 countries, they don't know that it is temporary, they don't know that their messiah did the same thing, they don't know shit but they're crying over it.
I wonder if they'd feel differently if one of their messiahs children raped and murdered their daughter, probably not as "you have break some eggs to make omelette".
Agreed. I just like to see how the left is all about "trusting" non-citizens but wants more restrictions on citizens to exercise rights.
Isn't that always the game plan? They turn a thing into a chaotic mess and then claim they have the answer that invariably involves more government under their exclusive control.
Too much crime (promotion of violence, destroying families/churches, weak sentencing/revolving door justice system) = police state
Healthcare is too expensive (after gov intervention) = socialize it
Middle class is too irresponsible with money (after creating a consumption based economy) = take their paychecks and give them programs
I don't believe they (elite Dems) actually care about these immigrants/refugees. They are just using them to accomplish political goals.
Isn't that always the game plan? They turn a thing into a chaotic mess and then claim they have the answer that invariably involves more government under their exclusive control.
Too much crime (promotion of violence, destroying families/churches, weak sentencing/revolving door justice system) = police state
Healthcare is too expensive (after gov intervention) = socialize it
Middle class is too irresponsible with money (after creating a consumption based economy) = take their paychecks and give them programs
I don't believe they (elite Dems) actually care about these immigrants/refugees. They are just using them to accomplish political goals.
You are correct, they do not have actual compassion or concern, the immigrants/refugees are just a means to an end.
How soon they "forget."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wxMTh_UzHM
DavieD55
01-31-2017, 18:20
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Isn't that always the game plan? They turn a thing into a chaotic mess and then claim they have the answer that invariably involves more government under their exclusive control.
Too much crime (promotion of violence, destroying families/churches, weak sentencing/revolving door justice system) = police state
Healthcare is too expensive (after gov intervention) = socialize it
Middle class is too irresponsible with money (after creating a consumption based economy) = take their paychecks and give them programs
I don't believe they (elite Dems) actually care about these immigrants/refugees. They are just using them to accomplish political goals.
You are correct, they do not have actual compassion or concern, the immigrants/refugees are just a means to an end.
Yep. Machiavelli documented the machinations of government hundreds of years ago.
I'll play.
These Green Card holders are trying to follow the rules and go through due process. They pick the wrong time to leave the country and get screwed in the deal. Yes, some are coming from countries with no infrastructure. This might be a reason why they are leaving? A lot of Iraques helped the American military and have vouchers from those superiors expressing their help and allegiance. Should they be left swinging in the breeze?
I get that Isis and other terrorist cells are using lacks immigration as a means to further their BS but do the legitimate immigrants have to pay that price? Hell, bring in the green card holders and take extra special care of them til they are vetted.
If a terrorist wanted to enter the country and do harm, using the Mexican border is far easier than any other port.
Yes, I am "America first" but I also come from immigrants (Scotch/Irish). Maybe 250yrs ago but the same animosity was in place then.
Our "nation of immigrants" had reasonable restrictions on immigration; much stricter than we have today.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/01/a_poem_has_never_been_immigration_policy.html
In 1901, a poem by Emma Lazarus was inscribed on a plaque and affixed to the Statue of Liberty. It reads in part:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...
Two years later, The Immigration Act of 1903 (http://www.wow.com/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1903), also called the Anarchist Exclusion Act, was put into law. That law imposed further restrictions on immigration beyond the current laws. Those groups so noted in the new law as unwelcome were anarchists, people with epilepsy, beggars, and importers of prostitutes. In 1907, just six years after the poem was placed, the Immigration Act of 1907 (http://www.historycentral.com/documents/immigrationact.html) was passed, noting even more groups denied immigration and also imposing literacy tests and insisting on deportation of those in violation of those immigration laws. The Immigration Act of 1924 (https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-act) imposed national origin quotas designed to prevent sharp changes in the demographics of the country. These legislators all knew about the poem.
...
These Green Card holders are trying to follow the rules and go through due process. They pick the wrong time to leave the country and get screwed in the deal. [...] Should they be left swinging in the breeze?
Being delayed on their trip for additional screening != "getting screwed" or "left swinging in the breeze"
but I also come from immigrants and so did 98% of the US population. The other 2%, Indians, had no border security or immigration laws and see what happened to them...
Encountering multiple people saying that the ban is discriminatory against non Christians. Here is my response to all of them.
Why are you so upset about exempting Christians? If the U.S. had banned travel from Germany between 1933 and 1945 except for Jews would you today be upset by it? ISIS/AQI are targeting Christians and other religious minorities like the Yzidis for execution. The only Muslims they are purposely targeting are the ones combating them (Jordanian Air Force Pilot who was burned alive) OR Muslims that openly oppose them. The constitution is referring to giving preferential or discriminatory
treatment because of what God they worship or what house of worship they attend. The U.S. Government is not exempting Religious minorities because of their beliefs, they are doing it because they are proportionately at a much higher risk of being killed than their Muslim counterparts.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Green card renewal went from 30 days normally, to a quoted potential wait time of up to 9 months. If you know any green card holders who need to renew this year, suggest that they do it now so they don't get caught with an expired card before the renewal goes through.
Encountering multiple people saying that the ban is discriminatory against non Christians. Here is my response to all of them.
Why are you so upset about exempting Christians? If the U.S. had banned travel from Germany between 1933 and 1945 except for Jews would you today be upset by it? ISIS/AQI are targeting Christians and other religious minorities like the Yzidis for execution. The only Muslims they are purposely targeting are the ones combating them (Jordanian Air Force Pilot who was burned alive) OR Muslims that openly oppose them. The constitution is referring to giving preferential or discriminatory
treatment because of what God they worship or what house of worship they attend. The U.S. Government is not exempting Religious minorities because of their beliefs, they are doing it because they are proportionately at a much higher risk of being killed than their Muslim counterparts.
Long story short; The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
Brilliant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_3qv3rxRdc
hurley842002
02-02-2017, 06:31
Wish he would have called out the twat holding the "he's lying to you" sign.
Awesome.
Yeah, Nigel ripped them a new one. Unfortunately those self-serving pols are as thick headed, ignorant, and stupid as the idiot (D) in this country.
Should hear tomorrow if the EO on the ban gets shot down or not... To me it seems pretty black and white that the POTUS has the right to do it but with the 9th being so liberal their feelings will get in the way of law and I am thinking they will shoot it down. What does everyone think Trump's reaction will be?
I am wondering if he does not issue a new EO and shut down ALL immigration from all countries for 90 days so we can get a handle on how to vet people properly. If you just shut it all down, then they can't possibly say it is racist or singling out a religion or anything like that. Then he can say if you don't like it, take it up with the judges in the 9th circuit.
GilpinGuy
02-08-2017, 22:47
Haven't we had much more restictive policies toward immigration in the past? Why wouldn't that be used as a precedent? (assuming the court wasn't filled with left wing lunatics)
Haven't we had much more restictive policies toward immigration in the past? Why wouldn't that be used as a precedent? (assuming the court wasn't filled with left wing lunatics)
Yeah, I don't remember the details and someone correct me if I am wrong but Obama basically did the same thing that Trump is trying to do right now. I leterally see no legal reason for them to shoot this thing down. All they have is "We don't like it".
I would love to see Trump shut all immigration down then. I mean for all the courts know, the POTUS could have intel that a nuclear bomb scientist is coming over and that guy is the one that knows how to assemble it or something. Unless the judge making this ruling gets more info on national security than what Trump gets something is wrong with our system if the POTUS is able to be overruled by a judge when it comes to national security issues.
theGinsue
02-08-2017, 23:05
I've been reading multiple news articles the last few days where they're saying the immigration issue may be more of a state issue rather than something the POTUS should be dictating.
Let's follow that "logic". CA decides to allow 25k "refugees" to immigrate into their state. In 6 months 20k of them are unaccounted for and a few dozen have been linked to crimes in various states all across the US.
How can immigration possibly be somethng decided by the individual states? A risk accepted by one state is a risk accepted by ALL states. This IS a national issue. Freakng idiot libs.
If people with green cards were prevented from entering the country, it was more than an immigration ban. One can come here without emigrating. It sounds like it was a total travel ban. It's pretty easy to sing the praises of an "immigration ban," but the reality is something else.
So, when another country, in retaliation of our “Muslim” ban, decides to ban Americans from their country, is that a Christian ban? Protesters in London don’t want to let Trump into England, is that a Christian ban?
Is Nordstrom, T J Maxx and Marshalls ban on Ivanka’s clothing line being prejudice? Or do they know that something is inherently wrong with the clothes?
We could just do what a hero past of the Dems, Roosevelt, did. We could let all immigrants in and just build Japanese style internment camps to keep them in pending vetting. That was done through an executive order so there is precedent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv1tcVv4ZM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjrPY_82jKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPDVC1dAEns
I've been reading multiple news articles the last few days where they're saying the immigration issue may be more of a state issue rather than something the POTUS should be dictating.
Let's follow that "logic". CA decides to allow 25k "refugees" to immigrate into their state. In 6 months 20k of them are unaccounted for and a few dozen have been linked to crimes in various states all across the US.
How can immigration possibly be somethng decided by the individual states? A risk accepted by one state is a risk accepted by ALL states. This IS a national issue. Freakng idiot libs.
State's rights!!! Oh really?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/
"The National Government has significant power to regulate immigration," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion. "Arizona may have understandable frustrations with the problems caused by illegal immigration while that process continues, but the State may not pursue policies that undermine federal law."
There is no legal support for blocking the "ban" which is really a narrow moratorium from specific countries of concern. Five years ago the USSC found the Feds have nearly complete control over immigration. Did the law change?
The only rule seems to be that Lib policies must always be advanced. Have they even decided what the word "state" means?
Libs aren't operating under the law. It's all propaganda and soon to be all force (whoever can get away with it).
[snip vids]
These are excellent! Everyone should watch and think.
How do Libs take accountability when their feel good BS fails and people get hurt/killed? Answer: They don't.
We could just do what a hero past of the Dems, Roosevelt, did. We could let all immigrants in and just build Japanese style internment camps to keep them in pending vetting. That was done through an executive order so there is precedent.
And that was upheld by the Supreme Court, Korematsu v. United States. If Saint Roosevelt did it, Trump can definitely do it, right Dems?
If people with green cards were prevented from entering the country, it was more than an immigration ban. One can come here without emigrating. It sounds like it was a total travel ban. It's pretty easy to sing the praises of an "immigration ban," but the reality is something else.
Green card holders were only prevented from entering the country during the confusion in the first few days following the EO. As of Jan 29, they were allowed in again.
Regarding the label "immigration ban," that is what the media called it, so that's what people are using to refer to it. It is not an accurate description; it was crafted to create an emotional response among lefties and other bleeding-heart types.
Regarding the label "immigration ban," that is what the media called it, so that's what people are using to refer to it. It is not an accurate description; it was crafted to create an emotional response among lefties and other bleeding-heart types.
You mean...like an "assault weapon" ban?
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2017-02-08.html
A MANIAC IS RUNNING OUR FOREIGN POLICY! (IT'S NOT TRUMP)
February 8, 2017
If only we were able to deport citizens, we could use Trump's new policy of excluding those who are "hostile" toward our country to get rid of Judge James Robart.
Judge Robart's veto of Trump's travel ban notwithstanding, there is not the slightest question but that the president, in his sole discretion, can choose to admit or exclude any foreigners he likes, based on "the interests of the United States.”
The Clinton administration used the executive branch's broad power over immigration to send a 6-year-old boy back to a communist dictatorship. The courts were completely powerless to stop him.
As explained by the federal appellate court that ruled on Elian Gonzalez's asylum application: "It is the duty of the Congress and of the executive branch to exercise political will," and "in no context is the executive branch entitled to more deference than in the context of foreign affairs," which includes immigration.
The court acknowledged that Elian might well be subjected to "re-education," "communist indoctrination" and "political manipulation." (Then again, so would enrolling him at Sidwell Friends.) It didn't matter! Sending little boys back to communist dictatorships was the policy of the Clinton administration.
The Obama administration's immigration policy was to ensure that millions of poverty-stricken foreigners would come here and help turn our country into a Mexican version of Pakistan.
When Arizona merely tried to enforce the federal immigration laws being ignored by the Obama administration, the entire media erupted in rage at this incursion into the majestic power of the president over immigration. They said it was like living in Nazi Germany!
The most reviled section of the act, melodramatically called the "Papers Please" law, was upheld by the Supreme Court. But the other parts, allowing state officials to enforce federal immigration laws, were ruled unconstitutional. A president's policy choice to ignore immigration laws supersedes a state's right to enforce them.
The court conceded that hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens were arrested in Arizona each year, that they were responsible for "a disproportionate share of serious crime," and that illegals constituted nearly 6 percent of Arizona's population.
But Arizona was powerless to enforce laws on the books -- if those laws happened to be about immigration. The president's authority over immigration is absolute and exclusive, as part of his authority over foreign policy.
To review:
-- When the president's immigration policy is to promote international communism: The president wins.
-- When the president's immigration policy is to transform America into a different country: The president wins.
-- But when the president's immigration policy is to protect Americans: Some piss-ant judge announces that his authority exceeds that of the president.
This is exactly what I warned you about in Adios, America: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole. Nothing Trump does will be met with such massive resistance as his immigration policies.
The left used to attack America by spying for Stalin, aiding our enemies, murdering cops and blowing up buildings. But, then liberals realized, it's so much more effective to just do away with America altogether!
Teddy Kennedy gave them their chance with the 1965 immigration act. Since then, we've been taking in more than a million immigrants a year, 90 percent from comically primitive cultures. They like the welfare, but have very little interest in adopting the rest of our culture.
In many parts of the country, you're already not living in America. Just a few more years, and the transformation will be complete. There will be a North American landmass known as "the United States," but it won't be our country.
The only thing that stands between America and oblivion is a total immigration moratorium. We are well past the point of quick fixes -- as Judge Robart's delusional ruling proves.
The judiciary, both political parties, the media, Hollywood, corporate America and approximately 1 million lobbying groups are all working frantically to bring the hardest cases to our shores. Left-wing traitors, who used to honeymoon in Cuba and fight with peasant revolutionaries in Peru, toil away, late into the night, to ensure that genocidal Rwandans can move to America and immediately start collecting food stamps, Medicaid and Social Security.
No matter how clearly laws are written, government bureaucrats connive to import people from countries that a majority of Americans would not want to visit, much less become. Federal judges issue lunatic rulings to ensure that there will never be a pause in the transformation of America.
Congress could write laws requiring immigrants to pay taxes, learn English, forgo welfare and have good moral character. It could write laws giving the president authority to exclude aliens in the public interest.
Except it already has. Those laws were swept away by INS officials, federal judges and Democratic administrations -- under ferocious pressure from America-hating, left-wing groups.
The country will not be safe until the following outfits are out of business:
The ACLU's Immigrants' Rights Project; the National Immigration Forum; the National Immigration Law Center; the National Immigration Project of the National Lawyers Guild; the National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights; the Office of Migration and Refugee Services; the American Immigration Law Foundation; the American Immigration Lawyers Association; the Border Information and Outreach Service; Atlas: DIY; the Catholic Legal Immigration Network; the Clearinghouse for Immigrant Education; the Farmworker Justice Fund; Grantmakers Concerned with Immigrants and Refugees; the Immigrant Legal Resource Center; the International Center for Migration, Ethnicity and Citizenship; the Lesbian and Gay Immigration Rights Task Force; the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service; the National Association for Bilingual Education; the National Clearinghouse on Agricultural Guest Worker Issues; the National Coalition for Dignity and Amnesty for Undocumented Immigrants; the National Coalition for Haitian Rights; the National Council of La Raza; and the National Farm Worker Ministry.
And that's only a small fraction of the anti-American immigration groups assiduously dragging the Third World to our shores -- while you were busy working.
Look at that list -- look at Judge Robart's ruling! -- and ask yourself: Is it possible that anything short of a total immigration moratorium can save this country? Only when there is no immigration to bellyache about will these nuts be forced to think of a new way to destroy America.
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