View Full Version : Fucking CDOT selling all our highways.
So I don't have the links on hand. Just a rant of the moment. BUt i've hated the steady addition of toll lanes to every major highway. I love e470 and the option it provides, and it's a clear toll road.
However fucking up traffic for months followed by adding a much needed lane to 36 and i25 and it being fairly useless is bullshit. It doesn't help they sell them to these fucking foreign owned companies.
My thing to kick off my grip is this newest mother fucking stretch in north denver. I'm getting tolls on trips to town when I never once strayed into their toll lane not even to pass. I was paranoid watching their little camera flash at someone beside me a little further up or behind, and now I guess it's proven now that I got this fucking bill.
I did have a spate of using it after they were no longer free when I had to make a bunch of trips during rush hour for training. But the last time I chose to use their bullshit was in like November and I'm still showing $3 dings here and there on the route to Denver.
Am I stuck just adding 10 minutes to my drive because these fucking faggots can't get their system to work right? (While watching other bastards use it as a passing lane and miss the toll camera's)
Learn where the cameras are and time your passes appropriately.
kidicarus13
02-12-2017, 16:21
I'm getting tolls on trips to town when I never once strayed into their toll lane not even to pass.
Learn where the cameras are and time your passes appropriately.
It isn't enough that the state steals 22 cents off every gallon of gas we buy. The state used that money to build "Lexus lanes" that a working stiff can't afford to use.
GRRRRRRRRRRR
In the summer coming home from the mountains that lane isn't hardly used at all but it is still a toll all the way down.
Learn where the cameras are and time your passes appropriately.
Dude.... I just said I NEVER once strayed in to pass. AKA I never was in the lane even to pass....
I wasn't accusing you. Just offering a helpful hint. [Awesom]
Did they provide photographic proof of you being in the lane? If you never got into the lane I would contest the charge and ask for evidence that you actually entered the lane.
thedave1164
02-12-2017, 17:51
Did they provide photographic proof of you being in the lane? If you never got into the lane I would contest the charge and ask for evidence that you actually entered the lane.
This
Dispute and ask for the picture. The pic should show you on the normal lane. Now if you have a trsnsponder then their sensor could hsve picked you up, but they should have a picture regardless.
Yeah, we had a thread earlier about disputing. My wife got a charge and she never drives on the part of the highway with a toll so I thought, "no big deal, I'll just call and get this taken care of." Well, I called the lady was quick to send me photos of my car right under the camera, so I paid the fees, late charges and all. I will say though, that the camera is pretty zoomed in, so you'd have a tough time disputing if you were actually in the lane or not. I'd take a deep breath and give them a call.
Sounds like a story for one of the local news channels, if they can stop bashing President Trump long enough.
Dispute and ask for the picture. The pic should show you on the normal lane. Now if you have a trsnsponder then their sensor could hsve picked you up, but they should have a picture regardless.
Yeah, this is what I'm going to be doing. There were a couple that came after when I thought I foreswore the lane. but one from January I know is well after I said fuck it no way no how....
They dont seem to have a handy link for filing disputes so going to have fun with generic customer service. Given express toll is multi state imagine this is going to be a PITA...... I don't want to having to every month or two file complaints for proof if they ding me for $3 here and there and then try to rack of late fee's.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/156054-Northwest-Parkway-Collection-Notice?highlight=toll+road
Not sure how to contest tolls.
I predict that if you call up angry and shit all over the person that answers the phone, that you won't get anywhere. Good luck though.
fportmen45
02-12-2017, 19:35
Less expensive than a professional photographer. Mount that pic on your fridge with pride!
https://youtu.be/MKDeiMD9a7w (https://youtu.be/MKDeiMD9a7w)
SideShow Bob
02-12-2017, 20:05
Just to make your day, these lanes are coming to C-470, I-25 to I-70 when completed. Construction has already begun.
I don’t have any suggestions to dispute a toll. But getting back to the selling highway thing, this whole toll road, gas tax and charge per mile thing gets me worked up.
I have been doing some jobs in Brighton and Parker for about six months. My E470 bills have been in the $200 plus a month range for the last few months. Now they’re trying to charge us working stiffs for each mile we drive.
If I end up paying per mile in addition to E470 tolls, I’m raising my rates 10% across the board just for the head ache. I imagine many working people and companies will do the same. That’s an immediate increase in the cost of all goods, services and in my case the price of housing in Colorado. It is unlikely to cost me 10% more, but it’s my way of protesting.
F’ing Demonrats never miss an opportunity to bilk those that must work for a living.
PS: As a side note I had to change trash service last year to get away from the "fuel surcharge", WTF, how cheap does it have to get before they stop bilking?
I occasionally need to use those lanes to make appointments, or avoid driving from Parker to Thornton during rush hour on a Friday afternoon. I like E-470, but feel the exact same way about the other lanes. I've probably spent more for E-tolls last year than the next 10 members combined. It makes you even more sick when you drive to Kansas City and take the "toll road" on I-70 for something like 30 miles and only pay about $3.00.
I don’t have any suggestions to dispute a toll. But getting back to the selling highway thing, this whole toll road, gas tax and charge per mile thing gets me worked up.
I have been doing some jobs in Brighton and Parker for about six months. My E470 bills have been in the $200 plus a month range for the last few months. Now they’re trying to charge us working stiffs for each mile we drive.
If I end up paying per mile in addition to E470 tolls, I’m raising my rates 10% across the board just for the head ache. I imagine many working people and companies will do the same. That’s an immediate increase in the cost of all goods, services and in my case the price of housing in Colorado. It is unlikely to cost me 10% more, but it’s my way of protesting.
F’ing Demonrats never miss an opportunity to bilk those that must work for a living.
PS: As a side note I had to change trash service last year to get away from the "fuel surcharge", WTF, how cheap does it have to get before they stop bilking?
While I'm picking up what you're putting down, this is the reality of "Privatize everything! Private business is much better than government!" I laughed when parking in Chicago went private and it was going to be something like $6/hr to park.
SideShow Bob
02-12-2017, 20:26
To the OP, put a call in to 9 on your side, or your favorite local tv station. I am sure that you are not the only one that has been getting false charges from these lanes. The local stations can get the word out and see just how many people are getting charged falsely.
The DOT needs to put in a dispute / complaint system for false charges. And absolute proof of usage instead of a closeup picture that the traffic lanes are not visible.
While I'm picking up what you're putting down, this is the reality of "Privatize everything! Private business is much better than government!" I laughed when parking in Chicago went private and it was going to be something like $6/hr to park.
I just have a funny feeling they will move the highway system off as private entities, all while charging us a per mile charge for driving on these private highways.
Oooohhhhhh, that'd piss me right off.
BushMasterBoy
02-12-2017, 22:15
This is what happens when government works for the good of corporations and not its citizens.
While I'm picking up what you're putting down, this is the reality of "Privatize everything! Private business is much better than government!" I laughed when parking in Chicago went private and it was going to be something like $6/hr to park.
Bingo. If voters don't approve a tax increase to pay for road maintenance, this is what we get instead. The roads need to get wider, and they need to be paid somehow.
hurley842002
02-12-2017, 23:45
Bingo. If voters don't approve a tax increase to pay for road maintenance, this is what we get instead. The roads need to get wider, and they need to be paid somehow.
Give me a break, these morons can't responsibly allocate the a$$ raping I take every year for tags, yet I'm supposed to trust them with a tax increase?
Give me a break, these morons can't responsibly allocate the a$$ raping I take every year for tags, yet I'm supposed to trust them with a tax increase?
...and there ya have it.
The state is going to push for increased gas taxes and other "fees" associated with vehicle ownership.
Then they'll take the money and spend on anything other than the roads.
I have this argument with people on another forum every few months. Some people (mostly liberals, as far as I can tell) say that "that damn TABOR" starves Colorado of money and turns it into a 3rd world country, and when people refuse to pass additional taxes on themselves, it's selfish and further starves the state of cash. The problem with that argument is that Colorado ranks 24th in tax revenues per capita. How in the F can Colorado be starved of cash and unable to support basic infrastructure without selling it off to private foreign companies when we take in more money per capita than half the other states? Where is that money going?? We should have plenty of money to "take care of the roads" without resorting to BS like Lexus Lanes.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/state-and-local-tax-revenue-capita
My thought is that progressives in the legislature think it's, well, progressive to burden car drivers as much as possible, and promote crap like bike lanes and public transit instead. That's nice and all if your house and work are both along a bike path or near a public transit stop. For the other 95% of the state's residents however.... Then instead of owning up to their ideologically-driven agenda, they use it as an opportunity to attack another conservative construct that they hate: TABOR.
Transgender bathrooms must be really expensive.
They have taken money from me for some time now, and with late fees. They do this purpose and its like living in Comifornia all over again... :(
I have not taken the toll roads since they got rid of all the toll workers and went to the automated system. That was supposed to reduce the costs but instead they have skyrocketed since then. That was it for me.
I know they installed some of these toll lanes and I stay away from them but still got a bill for riding in one last year. It was on that I25 stretch on the north side of town during their "testing". I still never got in the lane but I did get a bill for it in the mail for a few bucks. I threw it out and bitched to my wife about not spending the time to fight it but then later I found out she paid it without me knowing (she is the smart one, but it does bring up a point). Fighting it would probably take literally hours on the phone and frankly my hourly rate is worth far more than whatever that bill was for.
I am pretty sure they are making a killing off of people like me who either just pay it or end up getting late fees and then pay that in lieu of getting their credit raked over the coals in the long run. Pretty good scam they have going and really something should be done.
BushMasterBoy
02-13-2017, 14:52
The aholes of the E470 authority never sent me a bill. I called them and made a payment. The next day the bill arrived in the mail. The billed stated that fines will be levied if not paid promptly. The bill was going to be overdue the next day. I figured this was the tactic they used to manage the toll. Typical scumbag Colorado politicians creation. The .gov will screw you any chance they can get.
Frankly, if I am in charge of the toll system here in the state, I am putting tolls at every entrance to the state and charging anyone with an out of state plate a $20 entrance fee. Then I would make some more toll booths along I70 between DIA and Glenwood and charge another couple bucks every 10 miles or so. Same goes for Denver to Boulder on 36, and on I25 between the Springs and FoCo. In state tags are exempt!
BushMasterBoy
02-13-2017, 15:11
I'm surprised we haven't created a Marijuana license plate. I can see the inmates that make the tags faces now...
Another stuck on stupid thing the state does is the emission testing stations. Why is it that they can post an unmanned box along an on-ramp and test your car and your good to go? But, if you didn’t get to the proper on-ramp before your plates expire you have to go stand in line and wait for a high school drop out that can’t drive a stick to run it through 30 minutes of testing. Explain why they can’t they just let you drive a set up half mile section of road with some of those little unmanned boxes and give you a pass or fail at the end of the road. Or better yet, get more of the boxes put them around the city and send out failed tickets and leave the rest of us alone.
And have I mentioned how pissed I am about having to pay $50 a year each for plates on two trailers I rarely use, the same two trailers that cost me $10 before Tax Ritter came along.
Thread doing a good job of sequing onto how in general CO really starting to suck. Vacationing in the mid west this year. Might after seeing the area's prompt me to maybe actually move to Texas or a mid west state.
Thread doing a good job of sequing onto how in general CO really starting to suck. Vacationing in the mid west this year. Might after seeing the area's prompt me to maybe actually move to Texas or a mid west state.
Man, you can't have a discussion about breakfast burritos here without the thread drifting into hating on transplants anymore.
Man, you can't have a discussion about breakfast burritos here without the thread drifting into hating on transplants anymore.
I didn't know confused gender plants even existed, let alone hate them.
I guess those are fauna that identify as flora.
I guess those are fauna that identify as flora.
That's a Bingo!
Let's all put our pennies together and buy a 20 mile stretch of I-25 and charge $1 per mile, per vehicle, put cameras in and exempt COAR-15 Members....except for a couple. Then we can all get a monthly check to cover ammo and gas costs, call it the Governor Chickenpooper Mag Ban 2013 reparations Exspress toll trail of liberal tears! [Kidding]
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
ColoradoMinuteMan
02-14-2017, 09:58
Bingo. If voters don't approve a tax increase to pay for road maintenance, this is what we get instead. The roads need to get wider, and they need to be paid somehow.
The roads need to get wider because of increased number of drivers which results mostly from increased populations in CO. The increased revenue from levying taxes and fees on those additional residents should be funding the maintenance and expansion of the roads. The problem is that this state, like many other states, managed its finances poorly. Instead of focusing on fundamentals, they waste money. A lot of people aren't willing to approve bond measures to expand infrastructure when the states are mismanaging the funding they get.
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The roads need to get wider because of increased number of drivers which results mostly from increased populations in CO. The increased revenue from levying taxes and fees on those additional residents should be funding the maintenance and expansion of the roads. The problem is that this state, like many other states, managed its finances poorly. Instead of focusing on fundamentals, they waste money. A lot of people aren't willing to approve bond measures to expand infrastructure when the states are mismanaging the funding they get.
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My taxes go to funding stupid shit such as narrowing traffic lanes to install dedicated bicycle lanes, funding RTD (which doesnt operate in my area, or anywhere close to it), and paying plow drivers to drive around on dry days (and snowy days with their blades up).
The last (bigger) storm we had, I saw exactly 2 plows on the road in my 50 mile commute. 4-5 inches of snow. 1 CDOT plow was pushing snow around on side streets in Bennett, the other was driving down 225 with the blade up (and hit a bump hard enough to dig the blade into the pavement and throw sparks). Meanwhile, my max speed was about 40mph (AWD car) because nobody could tell which lane they were in due to the loose snow on the road. Not one plow on Hwy 79, I70, or Parker Road. Why would I throw more money at government sponsored waste and mismanagement? On the other hand, it sure is nice to see plows out driving around when the forecast calls for 1/4" of snow and a low of 40... [off-yourself]
ColoradoMinuteMan
02-14-2017, 10:27
My taxes go to funding stupid shit such as narrowing traffic lanes to install dedicated bicycle lanes, funding RTD (which doesnt operate in my area, or anywhere close to it), and paying plow drivers to drive around on dry days (and snowy days with their blades up).
The last (bigger) storm we had, I saw exactly 2 plows on the road in my 50 mile commute. 4-5 inches of snow. 1 CDOT plow was pushing snow around on side streets in Bennett, the other was driving down 225 with the blade up (and hit a bump hard enough to dig the blade into the pavement and throw sparks). Meanwhile, my max speed was about 40mph (AWD car) because nobody could tell which lane they were in due to the loose snow on the road. Not one plow on Hwy 79, I70, or Parker Road. Why would I throw more money at government sponsored waste and mismanagement? On the other hand, it sure is nice to see plows out driving around when the forecast calls for 1/4" of snow and a low of 40... [off-yourself]
Agreed. Until they can figure out how to better manage what they have, I'm not willingly handing over more.
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My taxes go to funding stupid shit such as narrowing traffic lanes to install dedicated bicycle lanes, funding RTD (which doesnt operate in my area, or anywhere close to it), and paying plow drivers to drive around on dry days (and snowy days with their blades up).
The last (bigger) storm we had, I saw exactly 2 plows on the road in my 50 mile commute. 4-5 inches of snow. 1 CDOT plow was pushing snow around on side streets in Bennett, the other was driving down 225 with the blade up (and hit a bump hard enough to dig the blade into the pavement and throw sparks). Meanwhile, my max speed was about 40mph (AWD car) because nobody could tell which lane they were in due to the loose snow on the road. Not one plow on Hwy 79, I70, or Parker Road. Why would I throw more money at government sponsored waste and mismanagement? On the other hand, it sure is nice to see plows out driving around when the forecast calls for 1/4" of snow and a low of 40... [off-yourself]
The reason you see plows out when there is merely a forecast, is because of the number of complaints from the hand wringers not seeing plows out, even though the roads are dry...
Not justifying their actions, just passing along info I was given by a CDOT employee/plow-truck driver.
BushMasterBoy
02-14-2017, 11:16
It could be paid for with the marijuana tax. Just rename it "E420 HIGH WAY"
JohnTRourke
02-14-2017, 15:51
Whats orange and sleeps 6?
CDOT work van
Anyone remember a few years back when some politicians had their license plates removed from the 470 database - were there ever any consequences?
Ready Room
02-15-2017, 21:19
" Instead of focusing on fundamentals, they waste money."
Sorta like on ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and such I guess. Good thing we ain't got no dams...wait...what?
husky390
02-15-2017, 21:47
Give me a break, these morons can't responsibly allocate the a$$ raping I take every year for tags, yet I'm supposed to trust them with a tax increase?
No joke. When I moved here in 2010 the registration for my 96 Chebby pickup was $40/year in AZ. I go get my Colorado plates, after going through emissions (bullshit on 96 and newer) and getting the fricking truck weighed at a scale house they hit me up with a $120 registration bill. Now, it doesn't freeze in Az but how in the hell can their transportation system be so much better than it is here? Ridiculous.
BTW, April 2017 will be the one year anniversary of paying people to stand in front of the A line railroad crossings since they can't get their system to work worth a shit. I'm thinking that's where all of our road funding is going while politicians hold their hands out for a tax increase. I'll pay more for a better highway system so long as there is a guarantee it will not go to toll roads, buses, carpooling, ride sharing and especially rail. I wont hold my breath on that guarantee though.
jhood001
02-15-2017, 22:19
I got dumberer reading this thread.
The Denver metro area is growing and road bandwidth needs to be increased to accommodate it. That means that a tax increase or a bond needs to pass to pay for it. Or, you can privatize it. Those are the only options.
Yes, you can bitch about the misappropriation of existing tax dollars, but unless you're actually going to get up off your ass and do a cost analysis yourself on how funds are used (or misused) for roadways in Colorado, nobody around here should give a shit.
Colorado is 12th overall in taxes? WOW. You read a page on the internet. What are you DOING about it?
But I 'get it'. You have it all figured out in your zero-effort approach to local fiscal politics: Traffic sucks! We need a solution! I don't know how to (and don't want to) pay for it! There are TOLL COSTS!?!! I'm mad and it is someone else's fault!
These toll lanes are privatized efforts. There was 'allegedly' a bid for the work. Capitalism prevailed. We have additional bandwidth on our roadways now.
Ride in the toll lane. Or don't. Nobody cares. And your political 'absolutes' may or may not be serving you as well as you think they are.
Oh look the white knight has stepped in for the .gov....
Going off on the others, but I'd like to remind the original post is mainly about the implementation with "false" positives is ludicrous. I did want to provide some broader discussion for it too. Such as how $3.50 for a mere half a mile stretch is sane. (120th to the i70 junction I think is something like $18 in peak times)
As it stands, it's been known from articles and peoples ancedotals Colorado's roads are suffering as are many other states. I guess we should be happy we havn't had boondoggles as bad as certain other states decade long tunnels etc.
And yes, they mismanage funding. Largely just not giving cdot what it needs, but in some places like they said they will waste tons of money on things that don't do anything. Bike lanes that see probably a dozen riders in a day in non hippy communes. I love these traffic circles theyve been putting everywhere lately that seem to make congestion worse when they worked fine as a 2 way or 4 way stop.
I'd rather pay a little more tax if that what was needed to fund expansion of I25 between fort collins and the springs. The foco- johnstown hill stretch and the ranch/castle rock to springs are also abysmal.
"""Ride in the toll lane. Or don't. Nobody cares. And your political 'absolutes' may or may not be serving you as well as you think they are."""""
These toll lanes do far far less to ease congestion than a normal real lane. Instead we get doubly fucked on construction period, followed by a very significant cost of use. So yes those of us that actually travel any distance and starting to see the residential roads as sadly probably faster than the fucking highways care.
I like the traffic circles. They're much more efficient when people know how to use them.
I like the traffic circles. They're much more efficient when people know how to use them.
The traffic circles in the US are an abomination and should be bombed into a crater, preferably with the designer of such in the middle.
Traffic circles in europe where these things originated work, unlike the crap we have here. A proper traffic circle will allow you to maintain speed, merge safely and see what is in the circle coming towards you.
The crap we have is too small and requires a large speed reduction, the fools designing it put crap in the middle so you cant even see a car until it comes around the decorative crud.
Blah.
(Serenity now!)
^^^Zactly!
(Hoochie Mama!)
The traffic circles in the US are an abomination and should be bombed into a crater, preferably with the designer of such in the middle.
Traffic circles in europe where these things originated work, unlike the crap we have here. A proper traffic circle will allow you to maintain speed, merge safely and see what is in the circle coming towards you.
The crap we have is too small and requires a large speed reduction, the fools designing it put crap in the middle so you cant even see a car until it comes around the decorative crud.
Blah.
(Serenity now!)
Most, if not all traffic circles in the US, especially in the non-eastern states, are utilized for "traffic calming". They are typically not being designed, nor implemented for, improving the flow of traffic. [panic]
Since you do not categorically have to come to a dead stop (like a STOP sign), most of the simple-minded masses have been duped into perceiving it as an improvement, once they learn the pattern/flow/"rules". [Flower]
Myself, I don't mind most of them I encounter on even a semi-regular basis, but I have run into a couple that could easily fall into the category defined by your first sentence. [Coffee]
I like the traffic circles. They're much more efficient when people know how to use them.
I agree, especially single lane ones. But I hate them because if you are near old folks homes and some of the immigrants all seem to struggle with them. Double lane ones makes it worse especially with disapearing lanes like the ones up in Loveland by the Harley davidson dealership.
Maybe in a few decades folks will get used to them, but I still see far too often people not being able to estimate speeds and slide in, instead stop and hold things up because someone entered on the far side.
But ERNI is right, the ones they put here are tiny and often poor visibility in the middle. I was going to say the same thing, the nice thing when I was in Germany, is when they are much larger, you dont get hung up sometimes not knowing if someone is taking the exit right before you or continuing through as much.
The Denver metro area is growing and road bandwidth needs to be increased to accommodate it. That means that a tax increase or a bond needs to pass to pay for it. Or, you can privatize it. Those are the only options.
False dichotomy.
Yes, you can bitch about the misappropriation of existing tax dollars, but unless you're actually going to get up off your ass and do a cost analysis yourself on how funds are used (or misused) for roadways in Colorado, nobody around here should give a shit.
Colorado is 12th overall in taxes? WOW. You read a page on the internet. What are you DOING about it?
Voting no on all tax increases. Voting for fiscal conservatives. Not bitching about traffic, because it really isn't that bad.
jhood001
02-16-2017, 22:50
Voting no on all tax increases. Voting for fiscal conservatives. Not bitching about traffic, because it really isn't that bad.
That would only be a false dichotomy if you (or anyone for that matter) posited an alternative that actually created a new road or lane... And actually explained how you would do it using current revenues compared to current expenses.
We're back to more of the 'do more with what we already have' fallacy. Everybody believes that until it comes to them doing more with less.
Those 'fiscal conservatives' you want to vote for know as much about saving costs on roads as a monkey does about algebra.
Private business built these toll roads. And private business can always do things cheaper and better than the gov.... right?
Pay the outrageous toll and smile. Hybridized capitalism is working for YOU.
I agree with you though, traffic hasn't been all that bad. But it will be. Growth from 2015/6 tells anyone paying attention that a traffic time-bomb is ticking.
If you think traffic isn't bad, it's because you don't drive in bad traffic. I'd rather have a morning appointment in Fort Collins than Highlands Ranch.
JohnTRourke
02-17-2017, 06:43
That would only be a false dichotomy if you (or anyone for that matter) posited an alternative that actually created a new road or lane... And actually explained how you would do it using current revenues compared to current expenses.
We're back to more of the 'do more with what we already have' fallacy. Everybody believes that until it comes to them doing more with less.
Those 'fiscal conservatives' you want to vote for know as much about saving costs on roads as a monkey does about algebra.
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this is beyond simple.
more than a 1/3 of "road" money state and federal is wasted (and i do mean wasted) on "mass" transit. You want to ride the bus, you pay for the bus. You want a bicycle lane, you pay for a bicycle lane. Me, I'm paying for roads, I expect roads.
Take that 1/3 back and all the problems are solved. Even without getting into all the prettifying waste on every single project. Every new bridge can't just be concrete. No, it has to have signs and landscaping and prettyiron rails and another person to maintain all this unnecessary crap. Again, I'm paying for roads.
The problems are easily fixable with the money that exists. The reason they don't get fixed is because they don't' want them fixed. Graft, corruption, people's jobs would go away, we can't have that.
We have far more government than we need, but a hell of a lot less than we pay for.
buffalobo
02-17-2017, 08:06
If you think traffic isn't bad, it's because you don't drive in bad traffic.
^^^This.
Traffic is awful, should have made lanes for cars instead of stupid and wasteful light rail along I25 corridor.
I'm a big fan of less people driving, even if I mostly won't be one of those people.
Firehaus
02-17-2017, 09:52
If you think traffic isn't bad, it's because you don't drive in bad traffic. I'd rather have a morning appointment in Fort Collins than Highlands Ranch.
Or perspective is needed on what bad traffic really is.
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Great-Kazoo
02-17-2017, 09:57
If you think traffic isn't bad, it's because you don't drive in bad traffic. I'd rather have a morning appointment in Fort Collins than Highlands Ranch.
No you wouldn't, ft fun has become a 30+ minute drive from our place, easy. That's 11 miles. each E-W road is 2 lanes till in the fort. Average traffic is 75K in a 1.5 hr period.
Traffic across the front range has become a cluster fuk. Easiest way to reduce traffic issues, ban texting and driving with heavy fines and points.
I hate to say it but i've become a proponent of hands free driving. You could cut a drive by say 25% if one removed every texter on the road.
But that's a topic for another thread.
No you wouldn't, ft fun has become a 30+ minute drive from our place, easy. That's 11 miles. each E-W road is 2 lanes till in the fort. Average traffic is 75K in a 1.5 hr period.
Traffic across the front range has become a cluster fuk. Easiest way to reduce traffic issues, ban texting and driving with heavy fines and points.
I hate to say it but i've become a proponent of hands free driving. You could cut a drive by say 25% if one removed every texter on the road.
But that's a topic for another thread.
Totally disagree, on both points. Traffic isn't bad due to texting, or weed, or immigrants; it's bad due to volume.
Yeah, I25 is a mad house at any time of day. I25 used to be empty after Park Meadows southbound. Now, no matter the day or time, it's full in all 4 lanes.
Totally disagree, on both points. Traffic isn't bad due to texting, or weed, or immigrants; it's bad due to volume.
I think what he's saying is reduce volume by weeding them out from being able to drive at all by penalty.
Well, Cdot is convinced that their plan for I-70 is a good one...
https://www.codot.gov/projects/i70east/projects/i70east/i-70-east-construction
because TRex turned out so well...[facepalm]
Traffic would be better if there were more motorcycles and mopeds on the road. :D
I'm a big fan of less people .
Agreed.
Well, Cdot is convinced that their plan for I-70 is a good one...
https://www.codot.gov/projects/i70east/projects/i70east/i-70-east-construction
because TRex turned out so well...[facepalm]
Talk about a mess...they want to put it below grade with ball parks and farms over it...we don't need those...we need roads. Moreover there will be more toll lanes with it. Wonder who they have already sold the rights to and which of the CDot staff got paid under the table for it.
If you think traffic isn't bad, it's because you don't drive in bad traffic. I'd rather have a morning appointment in Fort Collins than Highlands Ranch.
It's because I have lived places with actual bad traffic. Denver's rush hour is maybe 2 hours long in the morning and in the evening. Los Angeles is more like 4 hours each. DC same thing.
I'm not saying it's the worst, but going 1-5 mph for 20 miles on I-25 is the same as going 1-5 mph on any other highway in the world, and if you're stuck in heavy traffic for the duration of your trip, it doesn't matter (to you) if it started before you got there, or ends after you leave. It also doesn't matter if there is one lane of bad traffic, or 16 lanes of bad traffic. It still feels the same to the person sitting there not moving.
These days, I travel (as much as I can) outside of rush hour and get to sit in it less than I have in the past, but the nearly 10 years I commuted to the tech center were terrible, and it hasn't gotten better. It's no good to point out that traffic is worse in other places. I don't care about other places, I'm stuck in traffic here, so here is where I want to increase efficiency and reduce volume.
Firehaus
02-17-2017, 19:34
Id be happy if they instituted stuff like Dallas does keeping semis out of the fast lanes and actually enforcing getting out of the passing lane.
I have rental investments, so I see dollar signs instead of dumbasses in front of me. Helps deal with it.
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jhood001
02-20-2017, 21:51
this is beyond simple.
more than a 1/3 of "road" money state and federal is wasted (and i do mean wasted) on "mass" transit. You want to ride the bus, you pay for the bus. You want a bicycle lane, you pay for a bicycle lane. Me, I'm paying for roads, I expect roads.
Take that 1/3 back and all the problems are solved. Even without getting into all the prettifying waste on every single project. Every new bridge can't just be concrete. No, it has to have signs and landscaping and prettyiron rails and another person to maintain all this unnecessary crap. Again, I'm paying for roads.
The problems are easily fixable with the money that exists. The reason they don't get fixed is because they don't' want them fixed. Graft, corruption, people's jobs would go away, we can't have that.
We have far more government than we need, but a hell of a lot less than we pay for.
It is super simple. And it is intended to be so. By me. A person that uses mass-transit and pilots a vehicle within the Denver Metro area from this place to that. A person that has no idea how to make transportation around our homes more efficient and more affordable. A person that is absolutely fine with driving a car around the Metro area AND paying 9$ a day Mon-Fri... And not crying about it.
It sounds like you have a future job opportunity in traffic engineering. I've heard that it is an incredibly rewarding position that entails analysis and the creation of actual solutions. '1/3 this and 1/3 that' sounds cool, but I will raise your 'beyond simple' with a 'you have no idea what the fuck you are actually talking about'. Your 'I pay for this and shouldn't have to pay for that' and 'waste', 'Graft, corruption', etc. etc. etc.' has no place in the world of actual solutions. Sure. Sounds great. What is your phone number so I can complain when shit doesn't jive with my emotional disposition on any given day after a shitty commute?
Go to work to fix it. "The problems are easily fixable with the money that exists."
Oh? Tell us how. Tell our legislators how to fix it. Still don't know how? Vote for 'fiscal conservatives' who know about as much as you do about anything and expect a better outcome.
Armchair quarterback.
You party quacks are all the same. You assume that all of your life issues would go away if everyone else voted for your guy.
Grow up and swallow it or do the work yourself.
I work at CDOT, and there is some waste, but not much. Most of the waste is federally mandated programs. X% of the funding for a project goes to job training, x% of the contractor's subs have to be minority/women owned businesses, contractors must pay Davis Bacon wages, the tracking of employees, civil rights interviews, environmental studies, water quality improvements, ect. These all take away from actually building the freaking roads. If we could eliminate federal funding, we could build more roads for the same money, but the cost of goods and labor has increased while gallon of gas purchased has decreased. The gas tax hasn't changed to keep up with inflation. I would be in favor of eliminating the gas tax and registration fees and replace it with a flat sales tax with no exemptions. As prices increase, tax revenue to maintain the road would keep up with inflation. We also need to kill FHWA and keep DC from controlling the states.
To make it easier on cities and counties, CDOT is now diverting federal money to state highways and giving them state money so they can avoid the federal nonsense costly regulations.
I try my best to minimize costs and look out gorgeous my tax money being spent, as do most of the engineering staff, but administratively, silly costly rules keep coming with no benefit.
My $.02 (and full disclosure, I quit reading about 7 posts from the end, so I didn't see what was most recently said): The state (mostly Denver) doesn't know how to properly utilize the tax revenue they already get, so much akin to schools, why give them more? It's not the fault of TABOR (although that does play a very slight role in the road mess). No, the Shitty and County of Denber doesn't improve roads, they don't expand roads, not when they are too busy putting in bike lanes everywhere and expanding Light Rail (which is turning into a big mess in itself). Hell, Denver doesn't even tow illegally parked vehicles like the ones in a clearly marked "Tow Away Zone" outside my condo complex. Batten down the hatches, Denver is on it's way to becoming a lot like Detroit if they continue to run it the way they are.
ETA: Look at the alternative, we could just make all the major highways (I-70, 25, 270, 225, 36 and 470) all into toll roads and do away with state income taxes like FL does...
What really bothers me is when people drive the same speed as traffic in the toll lane. I'm talking specifically the one through Denver on I-25. I get that it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel when a speed trap is in there, and during off peak hours the highway gets moving pretty well, but why in the holy hell would anyone PAY to drive the same speed as the rest of traffic? I see people matching speed when the traffic in the regular lanes is below the speed limit. Blows my mind.
7 News had the CDOT director on tonight crying about needing money for bridge repair.
I PAY FOR THAT SHIT EVERY TIME I RENEW MY TAGS THANKS TO RITTER.
WTF? SERIOUSLY, WTF?
Honestly, the most infuriating thing for me was 7 News basically promoting the plea instead of asking hard question about WHY they need MORE money?
P.S. I drive less than 10K miles per year on both vehicles combined.
My $.02 (and full disclosure, I quit reading about 7 posts from the end, so I didn't see what was most recently said): The state (mostly Denver) doesn't know how to properly utilize the tax revenue they already get, so much akin to schools, why give them more? It's not the fault of TABOR (although that does play a very slight role in the road mess). No, the Shitty and County of Denber doesn't improve roads, they don't expand roads, not when they are too busy putting in bike lanes everywhere and expanding Light Rail (which is turning into a big mess in itself). Hell, Denver doesn't even tow illegally parked vehicles like the ones in a clearly marked "Tow Away Zone" outside my condo complex. Batten down the hatches, Denver is on it's way to becoming a lot like Detroit if they continue to run it the way they are.
ETA: Look at the alternative, we could just make all the major highways (I-70, 25, 270, 225, 36 and 470) all into toll roads and do away with state income taxes like FL does...
Florida's tolls are way cheap, though. CO wouldn't do that.
Here's a toll map calculator: http://floridasturnpike.com/TollCalcV5/index.htm
Another site: http://beta.costtodrive.com/florida-tolls/
Florida's tourism industry pumps so much into the state: Last year was 109 Billion gross spent. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/os-bz-visit-florida-tourism-2016-story.html whereas Colorado was 19.1 billion gross: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/20/record-colorado-tourism-2015/
I'm all for lower taxes, but I don't think the comparison would be a fair pitch as the raw numbers don't exactly shake out in the argument's favor.
Armchair quarterback.
You party quacks are all the same.
Your douchebag comments and name calling are pathetic. How does this guy have moderator privileges?
Grow up and swallow it or do the work yourself.
So let me get this straight: your argument is "if you don't go out and fix the problem yourself, you have no right to complain about it." Since you are throwing a tantrum about the posts of forum members that annoy you, why don't you just ban everybody who's posted in this thread? Grow up and swallow it or fix it yourself.
hurley842002
02-22-2017, 10:51
How does this guy have moderator privileges?
This is what I was thinking. Come out once a year to post, and do nothing but break the forum rules, interesting.
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Florida's tolls are way cheap, though. CO wouldn't do that.
Here's a toll map calculator: http://floridasturnpike.com/TollCalcV5/index.htm
Another site: http://beta.costtodrive.com/florida-tolls/
Florida's tourism industry pumps so much into the state: Last year was 109 Billion gross spent. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/os-bz-visit-florida-tourism-2016-story.html whereas Colorado was 19.1 billion gross: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/20/record-colorado-tourism-2015/
I'm all for lower taxes, but I don't think the comparison would be a fair pitch as the raw numbers don't exactly shake out in the argument's favor.
Oh my wife is from FL, and daily tolls can add up if you need it for your commute 5/6 days a week... But I hear you, the tolls are much less than here. I wonder what our tourism industry numbers look like in terms of how many come visit by comparison to FL. With Skiiing and our outdoors, plus pot, I can imagine we get quite a number coming through the state.
ours in 2015 was 77.7 million visitors.
florida in 2016 = 113 million.
ours in 2015 was 77.7 million visitors.
florida in 2016 = 113 million.
.7 million non-pot tourists?
No wonder the state is broke.
jhood001
02-22-2017, 23:46
Your douchebag comments and name calling are pathetic. How does this guy have moderator privileges?
I wouldn't say applying labels to easily identifiable products as 'pathetic'. An easily recognized plastic bottle with red stuff in it is probably ketchup. You don't like being called ketchup? Don't be ketchup.
How do I have moderator privileges? You would have to ask the top management that question. PM 'theGinsue' and file a complaint. Be sure to be concise so that you aren't wasting his time.
So let me get this straight: your argument is "if you don't go out and fix the problem yourself, you have no right to complain about it."
That is exactly and 110% my argument. I like ideas and solutions. Whining doesn't do it for me. Unless it is my nephews. I entertain their whining because I know that they aren't fully equipped to form solutions to complex problems... because they're ages 5 and 8. I'll quit commenting on your posts if you are under the age of 14... or if you actually posit a solution that doesn't include 'vote for my people'.
Since you are throwing a tantrum about the posts of forum members that annoy you, why don't you just ban everybody who's posted in this thread? Grow up and swallow it or fix it yourself.
I'm not throwing a tantrum. I'm pointing out the obvious. And ideas don't get the ban hammer around here. Violation of site rules does.
I post my opinions on topics the same as you do. Having 'moderator privileges' doesn't bind me to holding my tongue when 'stupid' is running amok.
Look, your solution to this very complex problem is to fiscally starve CDOT and vote for fiscal conservatives that would do the same so that CDOT would have to make ends meet with what they have. Correct? And I imagine that you have been forced to make wiser decisions with your personal budget when things have gotten rough. But here is the kicker - Your budget decisions don't include the whining voices of 1 million + people - all with varying opinions and political beliefs. And regardless of what your political leanings are, you represent around 45 to 53% of the electorate. Give or take a few percentage points.
So forgive me if I ask people around here to present solutions instead of whining about how broken things are. Or encouraging others to 'vote my way' in the hopes that someone else you blindly cast a vote for will do it for you.
I've started riding my bike to places I want to go once I get home from work. My most common trips are within one and two miles from home.
One mile away: Auto parts store, Walmart grocery, Safeway, credit union, liquor store, and the high school were all the school plays, science fair, spelling bees are held.
Two miles away: Home Depot, Walmart, Sam's Club, Sprint store, King Soopers, the way better liquor store, Harbor Freight, and my kids school.
The joy I get from riding my bike to the __insert school performance here__ and arriving 1 minute after my wife in the car, but pulling my bike right up to the front door and waiting five minutes for her to park is much greater than I would have anticipated. The same goes for riding my bike to the liquor store every time I want to buy beer. I like feeling like I've earned it.
Most recently, my out of town co-workers were all in town and wanted to meet up for dinner and drinks. They picked Chebba Hut near 16th Street Mall. Rather than bitch (let's be honest, I still bitched) about how much I don't like Denver, I packed my bike into the back of my van, parked two miles outside on a free street and rode my bike down. I was still the first one there.
So forgive me if I ask people around here to present solutions instead of whining about how broken things are. Or encouraging others to 'vote my way' in the hopes that someone else you blindly cast a vote for will do it for you.
But we can still blame as many things we don't like as possible on immigrants right? I mean, have you seen how people drive in round-a-bouts?!
When riding a bike is better idea than driving, because the only road care is for the bike lanes. Well we are well on our way to becoming a 3rd world state like Michigan or Detroit to be precise. And that might be what the management wanted all along and its our fault for electing them over and over.
jhood001
02-23-2017, 00:25
But we can still blame as many things we don't like as possible on immigrants right? I mean, have you seen how people drive in round-a-bouts?!
:) Legal immigrants are good. Illegal immigrants are bad. Round-a-bouts in the Denver metro are put in place to reduce speeds and impede traffic. Not improve it.
Has anyone seen that mess south of Superior on McCaslin? They did a brilliant job with the overpass in Superior over 36 and then crapped the bed with a 1000 ft round-a-bout before the climb south. And it is followed by a round-a-bout at the intersection of Coalton Rd and McCaslin.
I wrote 2 letters. Doing so didn't involve me voting periodically for someone else to complain for me.
When riding a bike is better idea than driving, because the only road care is for the bike lanes. Well we are well on our way to becoming a 3rd world state like Michigan or Detroit to be precise. And that might be what the management wanted all along and its our fault for electing them over and over.
There is nothing, at all, wrong with choosing to ride a bike over driving. You have to understand that you don't like the idea of riding a bike and bikes on the road because that is often pushed by those whom you oppose politically. It's important to recognize those instances when you disagree with something solely, or even mostly, because the person you don't like agrees with the topic.
Nope. I just don't like paying for roads with my tag and taxes money for bike lanes that I don't use. Also I don't like the city telling me that they want to take away my street parking to give .00001 of traffic their own lane on both sides of the road. If someone wants to ride a bike by choice that is one thing. It they have no choice because of too many DUI's thats another. Either way they should have to pay something for it. Everytime I see a guy over 30 riding a bike I know he's got problems and DUI defense matters can help. That is only for 99% of the people though. People with an AR-15 sticker on the back of their helmet are cool. And screw the people on the other side pushing these ideas. They don't need their own lanes that get the street sweeper coming by once a week. They can ride a bike without stealing the turning lane from the middle of the road so they can "feel safe". This is all true events and stuff I was told while protesting it. Also, my favorite was when I was told that if I can't park on the street maybe I shouldn't have a car. A grow ass person said that to another grow up.
Great-Kazoo
02-23-2017, 08:40
[QUOTE=DOC;2053299. Everytime I see a guy over 30 riding a bike I know he's got problems [/QUOTE]
That's some ignorant thinking you have. Why does one have problems if they're over 30 riding a bike? The store's 5 minutes from the house, i have to fire up the truck, find a parking space then drive home on a 85 deg day. That's ok, but if i'm on 2 wheels i have problems??
How about us who use a mobility scooter? Outside the obvious, according to you i should be using a vehicle and nothing else, correct?
How about us who use a mobility scooter? Outside the obvious, according to you i should be using a vehicle and nothing else, correct?
People on mobility scooters should be banned from leaving their own property so as not to offend anyone.
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Great-Kazoo
02-23-2017, 09:50
People on mobility scooters should be banned from leaving their own property so as not to offend anyone.
[Coffee]
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Just busting your chops a little, Oh Great One.
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Just busting your chop a little, Oh Great One.
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Great-Kazoo
02-23-2017, 10:10
Just busting your chops a little, Oh Great One.
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People over 30 who want to be on two wheels should purchase a motorcycle.
People who take separate cars, or a car and a bike, or a car, a van, and a bike, to the same destination simply contribute to unnecessarily clogging the roads.
People who write letters of complaint amuse me.
Did I leave anyone out?
Bicycles are children's toys and should never be legal on any roadway where the speed limit is above 30 mph - and even then, cars should have the right-of-way in all cases. It's for the children.
Bicycle lanes and toll lanes are a costly and unnecessary nuisance that impede optimal traffic flow.
I don't get paid to fix it - others do.
That's some ignorant thinking you have. Why does one have problems if they're over 30 riding a bike? The store's 5 minutes from the house, i have to fire up the truck, find a parking space then drive home on a 85 deg day. That's ok, but if i'm on 2 wheels i have problems??
How about us who use a mobility scooter? Outside the obvious, according to you i should be using a vehicle and nothing else, correct?
Why not walk? If its only 5 minutes away? That's your choice to drive if its that close. But I would walk it. How are you going to carry stuff home if you are on a bike? If you are using it as a form of transportation and I have to downshift and wait to pass you on the road you are impeding traffic and its not on purpose that I have to roll smoke in your face when I pass a bicyclist huffing and puffing to get up a hill. If you have a scooter you shouldn't have a problem finding a parking spot. They have those great spots out in front of every store for handicapped people. Besides I was just talking about bicycles and people using their cars having to suffer for them. I think you know that too.
I wouldn't say applying labels to easily identifiable products as 'pathetic'. An easily recognized plastic bottle with red stuff in it is probably ketchup. You don't like being called ketchup? Don't be ketchup.
So is it the position of the COAR moderators that denigrating people with labels such as "party quack" is acceptable under the site rules? I just want to be clear on this, because you seem to be saying it's equivalent to calling ketchup red.
So forgive me if I ask people around here to present solutions instead of whining about how broken things are.
Nothing wrong with that. You don't need to resort to name-calling to achieve this however. If your goal really was to get people to discuss solutions, your communication style is highly ineffective.
Having 'moderator privileges' doesn't bind me to holding my tongue when 'stupid' is running amok.
No, but it should mean that you hold your behavior to a higher standard than evidenced in your previous posts.
Look, your solution to this very complex problem is to fiscally starve CDOT
So not supporting additional taxes = "fiscally starving CDOT"? SMH.
I am not paying additional taxes so that people in Denver might shave a few minutes off their commute. If their commute is so awful, they can move closer to their work. Or pay for the toll lanes. Or vote for a local tax to pay for new lanes. However, studies have shown that building additional lanes leads to only a temporary improvement. https://www.wired.com/2014/06/wuwt-traffic-induced-demand/ http://www.dot.ca.gov/research/researchreports/reports/2015/10-12-2015-NCST_Brief_InducedTravel_CS6_v3.pdf
and vote for fiscal conservatives that would do the same
When I vote for fiscal conservatives, it's not because I think they will necessarily solve the "problem", it's more like voting against progressives who are predisposed to make the problem worse. Like diverting budget away from essential infrastructure to pay for inane stuff like landscaping a bike lane and then whining about how we need more taxes to pay for the stuff they just stole money from. You can argue that Republicans are often useless and I would agree, but I'd prefer no progress over progress towards leftism and if that's the best we can do right now, so be it.
It is also my opinion that the toll lanes are unnecessary (particularly on an interstate highway) given how much taxes we already pay (and federal funds we receive), but you're right, I have no evidence to back this up and I have zero inclination to run for state legislature and fix the Colorado budget myself. So you could say I am OK with the status quo. Although this exchange has inspired me to learn more about the Colorado budget, so thank you for that.
Or encouraging others to 'vote my way' in the hopes that someone else you blindly cast a vote for will do it for you.
You must be very proud of this strawman argument because you keep repeating it. Please quote my post where I encouraged others to "vote my way".
I can't even begin to address your post Dave (except the taking two vehicles to the same place part) because it is not grounded in reality.
If you think that any part of sitting on your ass in a temperature controlled environment is "suffering" this conversation will never go anywhere.
Personally, I'm glad that most people, here and elsewhere, spend most of their time complaining online and nothing more, because a lot of people have VERY stupid ideas about how the world should be.
Edit, similar to what Rumline said, I'd rather no change, than change toward stupid.
Great-Kazoo
02-23-2017, 13:14
If you think that any part of sitting on your ass in a temperature controlled environment is "suffering" this conversation will never go anywhere.
Personally, I'm glad that most people, here and elsewhere, spend most of their time complaining online and nothing more, because a lot of people have VERY stupid ideas about how the world should be.
Edit, similar to what Rumline said, I'd rather no change, than change toward stupid[ER].
JohnTRourke
02-23-2017, 13:43
People over 30 who want to be on two wheels should purchase a motorcycle.
People who take separate cars, or a car and a bike, or a car, a van, and a bike, to the same destination simply contribute to unnecessarily clogging the roads.
People who write letters of complaint amuse me.
Did I leave anyone out?
Bicycles are children's toys and should never be legal on any roadway where the speed limit is above 30 mph - and even then, cars should have the right-of-way in all cases. It's for the children.
Bicycle lanes and toll lanes are a costly and unnecessary nuisance that impede optimal traffic flow.
I don't get paid to fix it - others do.
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What he said is even less "common sense" than common sense gun laws. However, it is clear to me that too many people are so deeply ingrained in fantasy to try and continue a discussion. I'm genuinely embarrassed for those individuals.
What he said is even less "common sense" than common sense gun laws. However, it is clear to me that too many people are so deeply ingrained in fantasy to try and continue a discussion. I'm genuinely embarrassed for those individuals.
Take it easy, Stu. It is the internet; expect your chain to be yanked.
I'm sure you and I would hit it off in person. You have a standing invitation to stop by the next time you're in the neighborhood. We can shoot some guns on my property and I'll buy the first round at the Thunderbird.
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Take it easy, Stu. It is the internet; expect your chain to be yanked.
I'm sure you and I would hit it off in person. You have a standing invitation to stop by the next time you're in the neighborhood. We can shoot some guns on my property and I'll buy the first round at the Thunderbird.
I can never tell when you're trolling, or to what extent.
I can never tell when you're trolling, or to what extent.
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So is it the position of the COAR moderators that denigrating people with labels such as "party quack" is acceptable under the site rules? I just want to be clear on this, because you seem to be saying it's equivalent to calling ketchup red.
Probably better than directly calling a staff member a douchbag. [dig]
Why don't we let this die on both sides before it devolves into something worse? Clearly some bad blood brewing here on both sides, and I'd rather not see that happen.
For the record, I don't think jhood was talking to anybody in specific at the on-set, but to a general "They".... just like the thread title is a clear attack on 'CDOT'. We clearly have members here who work for CDOT, shall we ban the OP for saying 'fuck CDOT'?
Unfortunately, should push come to shove it's a pretty easy equation to figure out who leaves and who stays. The guy that helps keep the site software, servers and all that up for everyone else gets the clear victory.
With that said, can we please let this die while it can still can?
After driving all day it is suffering for fools who choose to ride a bike and clog up traffic. IMHO. YMMV.
That's an opinion, as I spend all day driving.
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