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Colorado Springs TV station KRDO did a story on Feb 9 2017, concerning the magazine ban http://www.krdo.com/news/colorado-springs/fact-check-colorados-gun-magazine-ban/323772960
The story includes a spreadsheet of every prosecution for a violation of the magazine ban, including case number, date and originating agency (what law enforcement agency brought the case). There are more than you might think, and they're not all out of Denver. http://static.lakana.com/npg-krdo-media-us-east-1/document_dev/2017/02/09/Prohibited%20Magazine%20Cases_1486707779613_582407 9_ver1.0.xlsx
mtnrider
02-14-2017, 14:13
Interesting. When I was listening to the mag repeal testimony at the house committee the other night pretty sure out of all the cases only 2 were found guilty or prosecuted, and one of those the guy pled guilty on his own.
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newracer
02-14-2017, 14:30
26 our of 42 dismissed
15 out of 42 is described as being used during another crime
Per the article the "other crimes" were, at least in several instances, traffic stops.
I believe I saw on another website, referencing the same spreadsheet, that most if not all of the cases referenced, the magazine limit was an add-on charge, not the main charge.
15 out of 41 cases on the spreadsheet list no case status. The other 26 cases show the status as dismissed. I am unsure if this means the magazine charge was dismissed or the entire case was dismissed. I suspect it to be the former, but this isn't clear from the data provided. Since one of the elements that must be proven is the magazine was not possessed prior to the effective date of the ban I would suspect that this would be a very difficult charge to make unless the defendant makes incriminating statements during the investigation or after arrest.
Yet again, if you have the right to remain silent... Use It.
Yup, never pass up an opportunity to keep our big yaps shut.
Other than Magpul, what other common magazines are date coded by the mfr?
Of course there are some magazines did not exist years ago, that's a different discussion.
Per the article the "other crimes" were, at least in several instances, traffic stops.
I wonder if people are being too forthcoming during traffic stops, or if other things were going on that led to them being asked to exit the vehicle.
If you are going to make a criminal out of thin air at least pick a non crime that you can get high numbers with convictions on. Say banning children or something similarly unthinkable in Colorado a few years ago.
I do not believe that getting out of the vehicle requires one to answer questions.
Licence, registration, proof of insurance. Keep it simple.
Be safe.
Other than Magpul, what other common magazines are date coded by the mfr?
Pretty much any magazine with any plastic components will have a date code molded into the plastic somewhere, including plastic followers.
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Other than Magpul, what other common magazines are date coded by the mfr?
Of course there are some magazines did not exist years ago, that's a different discussion.
My Tangodown mags do not have a visible date stamp.
Other than Magpul, what other common magazines are date coded by the mfr?
Of course there are some magazines did not exist years ago, that's a different discussion.
HK will have date codes.
Other than Magpul, what other common magazines are date coded by the mfr?
Of course there are some magazines did not exist years ago, that's a different discussion.
Pretty sure my SGM Vepr 12 mags have a date stamp on the mold.
Sounds like it's time for yall to get an AK with some old commie mags [ak]
spqrzilla
02-15-2017, 01:02
Other than Magpul, what other common magazines are date coded by the mfr?
Several AR manufacturers date stamp. Brownells from one example in my hands.
I've always thought about stippling my polymer pistols. I guess magazines are good for practice https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170215/4a64adde17c4d19e9ed91700fade0229.png
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Did our fearless leaders say no defacing our magazines? They thought out the rest of the law so well /sarcasm. I'm sure they left nothing to chance. Or whoever written the law up and passed it to our fearless leaders to pass. Pass without questions.
I don't see anything that looks like a date on 17rd Glock or M&P mags. There are some digits on the followers, but AFAIK those are non-controversial replacement parts.
I have been curious if they are smart enough to know that certain magazines did not exist before the ban, even with no date stamp.
Like what? But no they are not smart enough.
Maybe you could quit providing evidence research and ideas, Will. ;)
I've got one mag that I had to buy a replacement shell for after I backed over it at the range. I never thought to see if there is a date stamp on it.
Magpul 40s for example.
The first rule of magazine club is, you don't talk about the magazine club.
Maybe we can get magpul to stop dating stuff haha
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Magpul 40s for example.
Magpul released, pre ban, 40rd PMAGS to CO residents.
Magpul released, pre ban, 40rd PMAGS to CO residents.
Quoted for Truth.
Magpul had the "Boulder Airlift" sale for CO residents only, even though magazines were in high demand nationwide.
HoneyBadger
02-21-2017, 23:11
Magpul 40s for example.
Magpul 40s DID exist before the Colorado mag capacity limiting law. I know because Magpul sent me 2 of them as a part of the "Boulder Airlift". ;)
Edit: I really should learn to read the whole thread before commenting. [ROFL1]
Magpul had the "Boulder Airlift" sale for CO residents only, even though magazines were in high demand nationwide.
Took full advantage of that . . .
http://i.imgur.com/0zuXn5e.jpg
kidicarus13
02-21-2017, 23:29
Took full advantage of that . . .
http://i.imgur.com/0zuXn5e.jpg
Not still in the wrapper? Ah man, there goes their collector value.
Did our fearless leaders say no defacing our magazines? They thought out the rest of the law so well /sarcasm. I'm sure they left nothing to chance. Or whoever written the law up and passed it to our fearless leaders to pass. Pass without questions.
Nothing in CRS about defacing magazines. And they're only required to be date stamped if they're manufactured in CO after July 1, 2013. What you do with your property after you purchase it within the confines of the law is your own business. There is no law that says you cannot grind off or otherwise modify your magazine to not show the date of manufacture.
See: CRS
A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or after July 1, 2013, must include a permanent stamp or marking indicating that the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or assembled after July 1, 2013. The stamp or marking must be legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine.
Colorado: House Committee to Consider Legislation to Repeal Magazine Ban (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170320/colorado-house-committee-to-consider-legislation-to-repeal-magazine-ban)
On Wednesday, March 22, the House State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee has scheduled a hearing on Senate Bill 7. Please contact members of the committee and strongly urge them to SUPPORT Senate Bill 7.
Sponsored by state Senator Vicki Marble, SB 7 would repeal the anti-self-defense 2013 law that limited the amount of ammunition a firearm magazine can hold. Senate Bill 7 would allow law-abiding Coloradans to more effectively defend themselves and their loved ones and not be limited by a misguided law that criminals do not follow. In February, the Colorado Senate passed Senate Bill 7 with a bipartisan 21-13 vote.
Nothing in CRS about defacing magazines. And they're only required to be date stamped if they're manufactured in CO after July 1, 2013. What you do with your property after you purchase it within the confines of the law is your own business. There is no law that says you cannot grind off or otherwise modify your magazine to not show the date of manufacture.
See: CRS
A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or after July 1, 2013, must include a permanent stamp or marking indicating that the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or assembled after July 1, 2013. The stamp or marking must be legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine.
Well, there you go. Are pmags still manufactured, in whole or in part, in Colorado? If the mag bodies are not, they are not "required" to be date coded.
Just more proof that this was horribly written and rushed into law.
Is all pmag production out of state, or just assembly? I know Alfred Manufacturing was doing injection molding for MagPul at one time.
BladesNBarrels
03-21-2017, 09:14
Well, no need to worry about that bill:
On Wednesday, March 22, the House State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee has scheduled a hearing on Senate Bill 7.
Please contact members of the committee and strongly urge them to SUPPORT Senate Bill 7.
And some of those bills, Ryden said, need to be put to rest.
She chairs the House State Veteran’s and Military Affairs Committee.
Some insiders call it something else: The house kill committee.
It’s where the Democratic House majority sends bills it doesn’t like.
RIP
hollohas
05-17-2017, 14:32
Maybe we can get magpul to stop dating stuff haha
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I asked a Magpul employee to do just that a couple years ago. He said it's not possible because they use the date codes for QC to identify any problems with their molds or process.
You probably number your mags to identify any with issues? Magpul does the same to make sure they can cull any tools that aren't up to snuff.
I asked a Magpul employee to do just that a couple years ago. He said it's not possible because they use the date codes for QC to identify any problems with their molds or process.
You probably number your mags to identify any with issues? Magpul does the same to make sure they can cull any tools that aren't up to snuff.
Just have them print 10 round 458 socom on the side rather than 30 round 5.56
Just have them print 10 round 458 socom on the side rather than 30 round 5.56
I thought about that. The problem is a 458 SOCOM cartridge won't fit in a 5.56 Magpul mag.
I thought about that. The problem is a 458 SOCOM cartridge won't fit in a 5.56 Magpul mag.
Huh. I didn't know that.
Huh. I didn't know that.
Short rounds seem to work. Longer rounds seem to work with a dremel.
whitewalrus
05-18-2017, 17:32
Short rounds seem to work. Longer rounds seem to work with a dremel.
I've been able to get some in the magpul mags. But they say to use the metal ones due to the potential to bend or something like that. And if it wasn't for the 458 and 6.8 I would have got rid of all my metal mags long ago.
They should mark them for 6 rnds of 6.8 SPC. Can't seem to get more than that in them :)
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