Thinking of popping my NFA cherry.

[SideShow Bob]

OK,
I am a NFA virgin, and am seriously thinking of losing my cherry as far as an SBR goes. I want to take an existing weapon and SBR it.

Which is easier as far as paperwork and tax stamp goes, to take an existing AR pistol and do the filing to turn it into an SBR ?
Or, take an existing AR rifle (Carbine) and do the filing to turn it into an SBR ?

[Great-Kazoo]

Paperwork wise, there's no difference. You still fill in OAL, caliber etc.

Pistol. you're 1/2 way there, barrel wise. Unless you have one of those 7.5" monstrosities
With a long gun you replace the upper, the pistol add a butt stock. Your choice, what's easier and more cost efficient for you?

[brutal]

Personally, I would SBR a new lower.

I like to keep a pistol lower around just 'cause.

That said, just make sure you don't have more short uppers than you do SBR's or SBR's + pistol lowers.

Assuming you don't have a trust? There would be other topics to discuss.

[Great-Kazoo]

Personally, I would SBR a new lower.

I like to keep a pistol lower around just 'cause.

That said, just make sure you don't have more short uppers than you do SBR's or SBR's + pistol lowers.

Assuming you don't have a trust? There would be other topics to discuss.

If he SBR's the "pistol" it's still an in use gun. The lower sits there for (average running) 6-8 months. There's no right or wrong way to do it. I believe the OP's nervous being his first time in the game. What he doesn't realize is, it will not be his last.

While one's waiting for a F1 approval, why not throw a suppressor in there too :)

[brutal]

If he SBR's the "pistol" it's still an in use gun. The lower sits there for (average running) 6-8 months. There's no right or wrong way to do it. I believe the OP's nervous being his first time in the game. What he doesn't realize is, it will not be his last.

While one's waiting for a F1 approval, why not throw a suppressor in there too :)

Good point. I guess I come at it from a trust asset position...

Whole different ballgame there for me.

[Great-Kazoo]

Good point. I guess I come at it from a trust asset position...

Whole different ballgame there for me.

Me too, the OP has both to choose from. Option B would be to buy another lower as a dedicated SBR host..

[SideShow Bob]

And does the caliber need to be ingraved into the lower ? Both the pistol & Carbine that I was going to use are marked Multi.
And yes, I was going to go the trust route, even though as I think I understand the new NFA laws it is no longer necessary for a trust or llc. Am I correct ?

[Great-Kazoo]

And does the caliber need to be ingraved into the lower ? Both the pistol & Carbine that I was going to use are marked Multi.
And yes, I was going to go the trust route, even though as I think I understand the new NFA laws it is no longer necessary for a trust or llc. Am I correct ?

Caliber is already engraved. IF it says MULTI. Put 5.56, or they'll bounce it back. Unless it's a 9 or 30 cal lower.

All you're going to do it add your trust info, once approved. The trust is not necessary, BUT.. it makes it easier for family and or friends to handle it if you're not on site. The wait time is the same either way.


Here's the atf site regarding 41F
https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/general41fquestionsandanswersupdated-6-28-16pdf/download

DIY F1 cheat sheet
https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/files/2015/02/ATF-FORM-1-SAMPLE-41F-.pdf

RE: Caliber info.
4c should contain the caliber or gauge ( 300 CAL or Multi is not acceptable, you can only list one, if you have additional calibers you want to list, you should attach additional configurations in a letter attached to your Form 1 stating the caliber, barrel length, and overall length as related to the firearm listed on the Form 1.)



FOR MYSELF and ME ONLY. I have a few SBR's that see other caliber use. HOWEVER all of them can be returned to original config instantly, since the original caliber upper is always on hand. YMMV

WARNING: When in doubt ALWAYS consult an attorney well versed with NFA.. not some maroon on the web ;)

[SideShow Bob]

I was thinking 5.56 with an extra upper in 300BLK, is that a no no as far as SBRs go ?

[Great-Kazoo]

Do what ever you want. Don't over think it, it's fairly straight forward once you read through some of the past topics in this section. SEARCH is your friend.

[Irving]

I was thinking 5.56 with an extra upper in 300BLK, is that a no no as far as SBRs go ?

I believe the idea is that you must state a caliber when you file. After that you can change uppers (calibers) as long as the original caliber is still available. It's not necessary to officially notify the ATF unless you permanently change the caliber (file with 5.56, install the 300blk, then sell the 5.56). However, I also still have my NFAHymen, so you better consult with one of the easy girls on here that are also not lawyers, before you take my advice.

[brutal]

That's fine. Only a permanent alteration of length or caliber where you cannot return the lower to as stamped configuration requires any formal notice.

I've both cals and swap uppers around at will.

All my lowers are marked MULTI but were filed with a specific caliber. Actually, they're all filed 5.56 except for one 300BLK.

That "extra" upper needs a legal host, or no available lower in your possession. That's why I recommend filing an existing or new lower and keep that pistol lower around... That whole constructive intent dilemma.

If you have more short uppers than legal lowers (SBR+pistol) you could have an issue.

If you're going the trust route, I would probably just buy a new lower in the name of the trust. Otherwise, you're going to have to do a BGC to yourself when you do the assignment to trust on that gun. In either case, there's a BGC involved.