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KevDen2005
03-09-2017, 11:33
Is this now a thing? My crazy neighbor has been talking about it for a couple of months no matter what evidence I present in front of him he still tries to convince me. I thought it was just him being crazy. I have heard a few other people talk about it recently and then saw a positing by B.o.B. (a rapper I guess) talk about flat earth. Are people really believing this?
HoneyBadger
03-09-2017, 11:40
http://wonderopolis.org/wp-content/uploads//2015/03/1425_3.jpg
Or...
https://goodybagsblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bury-your-head-in-the-sand.jpg
HoneyBadger
03-09-2017, 11:43
I have heard a lot about this recently from people that I formerly believed to be both intelligent AND reasonable. Turns out, reason isn't what they are looking for.
Also, I learned that NASA is a conspiracy, the moon landings and satellites and the International Space Station and rockets etc are all fake and a part of the vast conspiracy. Oh yeah, I also learned that I am apparently a part of this conspiracy and don't even know it because "they" are so good at shielding the truth from me while I actually track and command satellites in space. [facepalm]
GilpinGuy
03-09-2017, 11:55
It's more like
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BushMasterBoy
03-09-2017, 11:56
One out of four Americans is clinically mentally ill according to statistics. My plan is to stick to groups of 3 or less...
GilpinGuy
03-09-2017, 11:57
I guess I'm a flat earth "denier".
Oh my god I read all about this one day it was a good laugh. There is a reddit dedicated to it they have all these pictures of proof that are just classic.
...the moon landings...
What a fool, you actually think there's really a moon up there? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3axPn65MGM
O2
HoneyBadger
03-09-2017, 12:03
Honestly, this is a bit cheesy at times, but it gets really good. At about 3 minutes, they talk about ballistics of long range shooting, and at about 6:30, they address the whole "NASA and everything in space is fake" with some really good videos from space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YzeGRFDIms
KevDen2005
03-09-2017, 12:39
I mean, but why? Why is this even a thing? Everything in the video I have talked with my neighbor about....and I get suckered in every time.
I like the special effects comparisons.
Crap. Now I'll have to be careful where I go on vacation. I'd hate to fall off the edge.
Although going to the edge just to see what's there would be kind of cool.
Crap. Now I'll have to be careful where I go on vacation. I'd hate to fall off the edge.
Although going to the edge just to see what's there would be kind of cool.
You can't fall off the edge cus the ice wall blocks everyone, according to the generally accepted FET. However, subscribers to the two earth theory (TET) believe that across the ice wall is another earth. That being said, a lot of FET adherents find the TET offensive.
I'm a creationist who doesn't believe in evolution between species. I also don't believe men can control climate change. I do believe the earth is round however.
Honestly, this is a bit cheesy at times, but it gets really good. At about 3 minutes, they talk about ballistics of long range shooting, and at about 6:30, they address the whole "NASA and everything in space is fake" with some really good videos from space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YzeGRFDIms
Video is cool one way or the other
Great-Kazoo
03-09-2017, 15:11
You can't fall off the edge cus the ice wall blocks everyone, according to the generally accepted FET. However, subscribers to the two earth theory (TET) believe that across the ice wall is another earth. That being said, a lot of FET adherents find the TET offensive.
Not sure about everyone else here. But i clearly remember the TET Offensive
Not sure about everyone else here. But i clearly remember the TET Offensive
I couldn't pass up an opportunity to make up acronyms to make a bad pun.
When people get into the plane and look at the entire ground, you can see a little arc of an earth.
Sadly every airplanes made from Boeing, GV, Airbus, and etc are required to have a HD on every single window to make it look like earth has an arc.
Delfuego
03-09-2017, 15:54
Is this now a thing? My crazy neighbor has been talking about it for a couple of months no matter what evidence I present in front of him he still tries to convince me. I thought it was just him being crazy. I have heard a few other people talk about it recently and then saw a positing by B.o.B. (a rapper I guess) talk about flat earth. Are people really believing this?
Reply to B.O.B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHBZkek8OSU
Sometimes I wish they would put birth-control in the water.
The world is round but flat and is carried on the back of four elephants who are standing on the shell of Great A 'Tuin, an immense star turtle. I know this to be true because I learned it as a student while attending Unseen University.
Tell your neighbor to cease his self medicating...but try to be nice about it and make sure he has no sharp objects nearby when you tell him.
Be safe.
I heard a couple flat earth theories as a kid and thought it was ignorant then, but when I heard they're still still out there I thought it was just a group of trolls...these people seriously believe that shit. lmao!
This thread delivers. I want to meet one of these folks and have the conversation so badly.
Rucker61
03-09-2017, 16:41
The world is round but flat and is carried on the back of four elephants who are standing on the shell of Great A 'Tuin, an immense star turtle. I know this to be true because I learned it as a student while attending Unseen University.
Tell your neighbor to cease his self medicating...but try to be nice about it and make sure he has no sharp objects nearby when you tell him.
Be safe.
Ook.
Rucker61
03-09-2017, 16:42
When people get into the plane and look at the entire ground, you can see a little arc of an earth.
Sadly every airplanes made from Boeing, GV, Airbus, and etc are required to have a HD on every single window to make it look like earth has an arc.
I just can't believe they got the Soviets and Chinese to go along with the prank.
Great-Kazoo
03-09-2017, 17:05
The world is round but flat and is carried on the back of four elephants who are standing on the shell of Great A 'Tuin, an immense star turtle. I know this to be true because I learned it as a student while attending Unseen University.
Tell your neighbor to cease his self medicating...but try to be nice about it and make sure he has no sharp objects nearby when you tell him.
Be safe.
I can Grok that.
if anyone questions that the world is surrounded by a wall of ice just show them this picture lololololol
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Rappers and people who follow rappers are also very heavy into the New World Order theories. We had a friend that only dated black guys and she would ask us if we believed in that stuff. She was generally met with blank stares.
BushMasterBoy
03-09-2017, 17:33
The earth is flat like a pizza. Makes sense.
So a lot of people are as smart now as humans were back a couple hundred years ago. Suddenly a lot of things make sense.
This thread delivers. I want to meet one of these folks and have the conversation so badly.
You have to huff a lot of paint.
This one is good too!
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02972/map_2972003d.jpg
BladesNBarrels
03-09-2017, 18:22
It is caused by the airplane contrails chemtrails!
Really!
The Nazi's at one point floated the idea that we are living on the inside of a dome, and even went so far as to send spies to places far away from England, with the idea to point telescopes up into the sky, at an angle, to spy on England. Their reports showed that this was not successful. I can't put my finger on the source for that story at the moment, but I'm sure it was one of the many Vsauce videos I've watched.
Geocentric flat earth... We are the only planet in the world which is flat and 10^6 times of mass of earth evolves around the earth.
It is like Aircraft carrier is evolving around you (your own gravity). [ROFL1]
I think someone should start a Flat Earth movement on Facebook and convince flat earthers to take a day off of work. Then it will out everyone you shouldn't talk to anymore.
KevDen2005
03-09-2017, 18:51
I think someone should start a Flat Earth movement on Facebook and convince flat earthers to take a day off of work. Then it will out everyone you shouldn't talk to anymore.
I like it
Last year, I got stuck riding in a tow truck with a flat-earth driver. He went on for an hour about it, and all I could do was nod and say, "I'll have to look into that. Very interesting."
At first I thought he was joking, but he was 100% convinced and had "done the research." After learning that I work with satellites and radar systems, he was determined to convince me how my entire worldview was a scam.
Oh, and George Bush is a descendant of Egyptian royalty. All part of the New World Order. If you want to see a map of the flat Earth, just look at the UN Logo - they're all in on it.
They walk among us.
Firehaus
03-09-2017, 19:14
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170310/589e620aeda5464778d4ca4febf77bc5.jpg
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Met with a roofer once who went on and on about how the moon is really a hollow metal sphere. He found out by watching a documentary that said they were listening to the moon once when an asteroid struck the moon and it vibrated like a gong for several hours. He also knew who Alex Jones was and was into all of that shit. I had the same response as Dave.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mfSCFsF/0/O/i-mfSCFsF.png
And here I thought the thread was going to be about a paint job for a new toy...[facepalm]
And here I thought the thread was going to be about a paint job for a new toy...[facepalm]
It is! People who like FDE and shoot .40 cal also believe the world is flat.
Just wait till the people with AK's chambered in .300 blk show up...
It is! People who like FDE and shoot .40 cal also believe the world is flat.
Just wait till the people with AK's chambered in .300 blk show up...
[ROFL2]
I had a science teacher that told us one day that he would tell us the truth then teach us the popular theory. We could believe whichever we wanted.
He said the truth was that there was no such thing as gravity. We stay down because the whole world sucks. He then spent the rest of the week teaching the popular theory of gravity.
The funny thing is I don't remember any of the popular theory.
It is! People who like FDE and shoot .40 cal also believe the world is flat.
Just wait till the people with AK's chambered in .300 blk show up...
Post reported for hurt feels.
Post reported for hurt feels.
Are you feeling a little flatter and darker than usual today? lol
buffalobo
03-09-2017, 22:26
The world is round but flat and is carried on the back of four elephants who are standing on the shell of Great A 'Tuin, an immense star turtle. I know this to be true because I learned it as a student while attending Unseen University.
Tell your neighbor to cease his self medicating...but try to be nice about it and make sure he has no sharp objects nearby when you tell him.
Be safe.
You have good taste in literature.
KevDen2005
03-10-2017, 01:38
Met with a roofer once who went on and on about how the moon is really a hollow metal sphere. He found out by watching a documentary that said they were listening to the moon once when an asteroid struck the moon and it vibrated like a gong for several hours. He also knew who Alex Jones was and was into all of that shit. I had the same response as Dave.
I think the same people are believing the moon or the area around the moon is ice...something like that....My neighbor tried to tell me all that stuff too....but I always shut him down... you know because of science.
This thread delivers. I want to meet one of these folks and have the conversation so badly.
I'd tread carefully- conversing with idiots runs the risk of having your IQ drop slightly. Remember that age old adage: You just can't convince a dog he's a cat.
GilpinGuy
03-10-2017, 02:43
I'd tread carefully- conversing with idiots runs the risk of having your IQ drop slightly. Remember that age old adage: You just can't convince a dog he's a cat.
It's been said many a time and in different ways: "You are a combination of those you surround yourself with".
It's been said many a time and in different ways: "You are a combination of those you surround yourself with".
Thank God I don't surround myself with SJW Snowflake Progressives! [LOL]
68Charger
03-10-2017, 08:26
I had a science teacher that told us one day that he would tell us the truth then teach us the popular theory. We could believe whichever we wanted.
He said the truth was that there was no such thing as gravity. We stay down because the whole world sucks.
This reminded me of "dark sucker" theory....there is no such thing as light, just the absence (or partial absence) of dark... bulbs are actually dark suckers that send the dark to the power company. When they quit working, you can usually see the bulb has some dark stuck in it after they fail.
The Sun is the biggest dark sucker is our solar system... other stars that have sucked up all the dark that they can will explode and turn into black holes... because of the massive amounts of dark they have sucked.
Are you feeling a little flatter and darker than usual today? lol
Double reported!!!!!
KevDen2005
03-10-2017, 09:55
Thank God I don't surround myself with SJW Snowflake Progressives! [LOL]
Aren't you pretty much completely surrounded by liberals and socialists that not only want a free government handout but are actually getting it?
I'd tread carefully- conversing with idiots runs the risk of having your IQ drop slightly. Remember that age old adage: You just can't convince a dog he's a cat.
I don't want to convince anyone of anything just want to hear someone talk about this who seriously believes it. They really need to make an ancient aliens type of show about this stuff.
....there is no such thing as light, just the absence (or partial absence) of dark...
There's also the smoke theory of electronics. It all runs on smoke, and when you see a puff of smoke escaping the electronics (chip, capacitor, whatever), it stops working.
O2
RblDiver
03-10-2017, 14:42
The world is round but flat and is carried on the back of four elephants who are standing on the shell of Great A 'Tuin, an immense star turtle. I know this to be true because I learned it as a student while attending Unseen University.
Tell your neighbor to cease his self medicating...but try to be nice about it and make sure he has no sharp objects nearby when you tell him.
Be safe.
At least we have the Circumfence to keep us from falling off!
longrange2
03-10-2017, 14:56
Are these the same people running around their back yard spraying vinegar in the air to combat Chemtrails?
Zundfolge
03-10-2017, 15:00
I contend that 90%+ of those out there postulating flat earth theories are just trolling. Its the 10% or so seem to really believe this stuff that you need to worry about and should probably distance yourself from.
At night does it become Flat Dark Earth?
68Charger
03-10-2017, 18:27
At night does it become Flat Dark Earth?
Where do you think they got the color from?
GilpinGuy
03-10-2017, 18:48
Why the hell would anyone want to make a conspiracy about the earth being round if indeed it is actually flat anyway?
Why the hell would anyone want to make a conspiracy about the earth being round if indeed it is actually flat anyway?
So that people don't freak out about the real reason for population control: the earth potentially tipping over like Guam.
At least we have the Circumfence to keep us from falling off!
Are you sea trolling me? [ROFL1]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92qunrUPkNA
Aren't you pretty much completely surrounded by liberals and socialists that not only want a free government handout but are actually getting it?
That's at work... not by choice. Although some days can be summed up like this:
https://youtu.be/_M-BcQLEAJY
I don't want to convince anyone of anything just want to hear someone talk about this who seriously believes it. They really need to make an ancient aliens type of show about this stuff.
I would watch that show. Georgio Tsoukoulas (or however you spell it) is highly entertaining on Ancient Aliens.
Aloha_Shooter
03-11-2017, 12:16
So all kiddies who were in public school during the Clinton years are now hitting middle age and there's a rise in morons spouting off about Flat Earth? Maybe just a coincidence ...
http://youtu.be/KvAk9718Jo8
Apparently Shaq is a flat earther...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/so-apparently-shaquille-oneal-is-a-flat-earther-too-035813782.html
“It’s true. The Earth is flat. The Earth is flat. Yes, it is. Listen, there are three ways to manipulate the mind — what you read, what you see and what you hear. In school, first thing they teach us is, ‘Oh, Columbus discovered America,’ but when he got there, there were some fair-skinned people with the long hair smoking on the peace pipes. So, what does that tell you? Columbus didn’t discover America. So, listen, I drive from coast to coast, and this s*** is flat to me. I’m just saying. I drive from Florida to California all the time, and it’s flat to me. I do not go up and down at a 360-degree angle, and all that stuff about gravity, have you looked outside Atlanta lately and seen all these buildings? You mean to tell me that China is under us? China is under us? It’s not. The world is flat.”
"Round earthers " lmfao. That guy is great. Hadn't seen that one yet.
Shaq would be even more upset to find out that directly opposite the planet of most places on Earth is actually ocean.
Aloha_Shooter
03-20-2017, 08:41
I ceased caring when other people spouted nonsense -- particularly celebrities -- sometime around middle school ...
Great-Kazoo
03-20-2017, 08:54
I ceased caring when other people spouted nonsense -- particularly celebrities -- sometime around middle school ...
Tell me about it. Imaging if they went from science to politics.
Shaq would be even more upset to find out that directly opposite the planet of most places on Earth is actually ocean.
But I want to dig to China, not some place wherein abides a watery tart!!
If I were SpaceX, I'd be marketing pretty hard to Flat Earther celebrities.
Someone should ask Shaq if he used GPS at all when he drove from FL to CA. Because how's the work without a satellite?
Someone should ask Shaq if he used GPS at all when he drove from FL to CA. Because how's the work without a satellite?
Radio towers for triangulation... do you even tinfoil? :D
But I want to dig to China, not some place wherein abides a watery tart!!
Why? You could become king.
osok-308
03-20-2017, 14:16
I'm amazed that people buy into the whole flat earth theory. It must be because there is so much money in fooling people into thinking that the Earth is round.
But but Tila Tequila believes. [tinhat][Poke]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlInSc_G3UI
10 points off your IQ for every 10 seconds of listening to Tila Tequila. Life has to have consequences.
wctriumph
03-20-2017, 16:43
We're doomed, doomed ...
By the time it gets really bad I should be dead and buried, I hope not for another 40 years.
I guess it just doesn't surprise me that there are those that believe in flat earth, and I say this because of a lady in my district that called the office about some contractors "running diesel engines that were damaging her trees in her front yard". Yeah, we had a construction project in front of her house and there were 3 trucks with their engines running the whole time, and she believed that her trees were being damaged because of this.
After I talked to her I realized I couldn't communicate on a low enough level to convince her otherwise, so I called the boss and let him try. I don't think he succeeded either.
Why? You could become king.
King of watery tarts that think the earth is flat...swell. They already have Neptune.
Great-Kazoo
03-20-2017, 17:36
King of watery tarts that think the earth is flat...swell. They already have Neptune.
Poseidon eye d ot Poseidon
Poseidon eye d ot Poseidon
Poseidon? Wasn't that Shelley Winters, is she a flat earth dork-knob too?
Oh and while we're talking about morons, idiots, and lucky people with ZERO basketball skillz who win championships based on the hard work of other players, shaq is a fucking dumbass whose only contribution to basketball was to stand in the way on defense and dunk on offense.
Shaq is one of the mouth-breathing limp-dick hacks that drove people like me who appreciated the enormous talent of Jordan, Byrd, Magic, and a host of others, away from the game.
King of watery tarts that think the earth is flat...swell. They already have Neptune.
[fail]
http://youtu.be/JvKIWjnEPNY
Moistened bints. LOL [Beer]
So not Neptune or Poseidon? Boy am I an ignorant and slovenly peasant.
Flat earth... Bernie Sanders.... Global warming..... methinks the apocalypse is not far off......
Flat earth... Bernie Sanders.... Global warming..... methinks the apocalypse is not far off......
Apocalypse for those people maybe, we'll see how far they push it.
theGinsue
03-20-2017, 19:59
Poseidon? Wasn't that Shelley Winters, is she a flat earth dork-knob too?
Well, she's been laying flat IN the earth for 11 years now. Does that count?
Well, she's been laying flat IN the earth for 11 years now. Does that count?
I suppose her pose is in repose.
But who is king underwater?
I guess it just doesn't surprise me that there are those that believe in flat earth, and I say this because of a lady in my district that called the office about some contractors "running diesel engines that were damaging her trees in her front yard". Yeah, we had a construction project in front of her house and there were 3 trucks with their engines running the whole time, and she believed that her trees were being damaged because of this.
After I talked to her I realized I couldn't communicate on a low enough level to convince her otherwise, so I called the boss and let him try. I don't think he succeeded either.
Get a few "green" "earth friendly" " all natural fuel" decals and slap them on the vehicles. Should satisfy the feels of many who winge and cringe over the assault on Gaia.
speedysst
03-21-2017, 00:45
All of this reminds me of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoQgAQOALc Bill Whittle explaining unlearning.
KevDen2005
03-21-2017, 09:23
All of this reminds me of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoQgAQOALc Bill Whittle explaining unlearning.
Always love the Bill Whittle explanations.
I guess it just doesn't surprise me that there are those that believe in flat earth, and I say this because of a lady in my district that called the office about some contractors "running diesel engines that were damaging her trees in her front yard". Yeah, we had a construction project in front of her house and there were 3 trucks with their engines running the whole time, and she believed that her trees were being damaged because of this.
After I talked to her I realized I couldn't communicate on a low enough level to convince her otherwise, so I called the boss and let him try. I don't think he succeeded either.
I would have encouraged her to file a claim with her homeowners insurance.
Shaq said he was joking about the Earth being flat all along (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/shaq-said-he-was-joking-about-the-earth-being-flat-all-along/ar-BByDVW0?li=BBnbfcL)
Shaq said he was joking about the Earth being flat all along (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/shaq-said-he-was-joking-about-the-earth-being-flat-all-along/ar-BByDVW0?li=BBnbfcL)
Shaq is a pretty intelligent man, and has a great sense of humor.
Didn't believe it for a minute.
That's what I thought when I read this.
Shaq said he was joking about the Earth being flat all along (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/shaq-said-he-was-joking-about-the-earth-being-flat-all-along/ar-BByDVW0?li=BBnbfcL)
OK good. I don't pay enough attention to media stars to know when they're serious or not, I just assume they are ALWAYS full of shit and that assumption has served me quite well.
OK good. I don't pay enough attention to media stars to know when they're serious or not, I just assume they are ALWAYS full of shit and that assumption has served me quite well.
👆☝This. I would include politicians as well
If you change it to "media whores", it also includes politicians.
http://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18424986_1655372177824554_1909427633553960581_n.jp g?oh=49d78ce76caa13c3b60e305e8df14e9e&oe=59BDE721
KevDen2005
05-18-2017, 17:26
http://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18424986_1655372177824554_1909427633553960581_n.jp g?oh=49d78ce76caa13c3b60e305e8df14e9e&oe=59BDE721
That's science
I was looking at U2 spy plane on youtube, and earth looks like......
Even romans knew that about 2000 years ago.
https://i.imgur.com/TLNtBMm.jpg
https://youtu.be/q48Swb2ATww
The U2 is fake, those pics are taken on a movie set.
#SpaceIsFake
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/spaceisfake/?hl=en
What about this one?
https://youtu.be/gyqQAE4bvx4
What about this one?
https://youtu.be/gyqQAE4bvx4
That is awesome! Not a walk in the park by any means but the view is worth it.
I have talked to a few FE's about the subject, intelligent educated folks. Steadfast and convinced. No spaceflight, the moon is a projected image in the sky etc.
I don't buy it. I'm going for Oak Island!
hollohas
12-16-2020, 19:46
... the moon is a projected image in the sky etc.
I've never heard this one before.
What do they say reflects the projected image back to us? And it's been projected into the night sky... since...forever??
I've never heard this one before.
What do they say reflects the projected image back to us? And it's been projected into the night sky... since...forever??
It's the dome that the moon is projected on.
hollohas
12-16-2020, 20:36
Ok. I can go with that.
Projected from earth or outside the dome?
If from earth, where does the projection originate? Has the technology to project such a huge amount of light existed for thousands of years?
If from outside earth, who controls it? The aliens that keep us as their dome pets? And where outside the dome does it reside if space doesn't exist?
And these people think space, a round earth, gravity, the moon and space are far fetched, unbelievable ideas...
A giant (like REALLY big) projection screen. Never got to ask him 'who' projected the images and how 'they' change the phases and rotation around the earth.
The guy was a remodel client, very well off and educated. it was a weird conversation.
Flat earth is not just a conspiracy, it is an outright religion. Any attempt to try to convince the adherents of that faith in sound logic or natural law is as productive as trying to convince an elderly tribal medicine man to stop molesting children to "cure them of demons". Luckily, the latter hurts others, the former only hurts themselves, so why expend any effort trying to educate individuals who are beyond education. Instead, let's build them a temple. Maybe in NYC. Then intelligent people will recognize a little easier that it's not worth wasting effort on members of the FLERTH church.
ETA: It definitely can be amusing to see what some of them believe though. [LOL] Sounds like a nut.
Maybe there is some flat earth info in the latest wiki leaks drop.
What about this one?
https://youtu.be/gyqQAE4bvx4
What if that guy doesn't have his ice scraper because his wife used it on her minivan in the morning and forgot to give it back to him?
ChickNorris
12-16-2020, 20:56
Tangentially related: met a retired U2 pilot last weekend. Super interesting fellow & a new friend. Nifty photos & stories too.
hollohas
12-16-2020, 21:00
I've truly tried to understand the flat earth claims and not just blow them off. I've even spent some time reading flat earth websites to see how they explain it. But each and every explaination I've ever read or that's been explained to me doesn't stand up to even a tiny bit of scrutiny.
I had a long discussion with a friend once who obviously spent a huge amount of time "educating" himself about flat earth. He believed it and could answer most of the gotcha type questions.
But what he couldn't explain is how all of the applied science that uses calculations that account for the spin of the earth, the curvature of the earth or gravity could be faked. He couldn't explain how every engineer, physicist, pilot, long distance shooter, etc etc etc was using fake math to do real things. And that's where the conversation ended.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
I think anyone who at least heard of newtonian or classical/mechanical physics, they should excuse flat earth crap that sun, black holes and entire galaxies evolves around the earth.
G m m /r^2
I think high school physics does gravity experiment on earth and object, and undergrad does gravity experiment against 2 small objects.
I beg those people please do not travel outside of US and embarrass us.
Great-Kazoo
12-16-2020, 21:39
Maybe there is some flat earth info in the latest wiki leaks drop.
Reloading, shooting Brewing beer and anything else that catch's my eye... like Scientology? Let me know how that works out. I stated that "thought some may be interested" but I knew there would be at least one like you.... I wonder why our country has been sold out? Its those like you that can't even take a look or not and just move on. Now, go make love to yourself! Have a nice day.
[LOL]
Now, go make sweet love to yourself! Have a nice day. Feels so right, making love to yourself tonight.
Voiced by the one and only, the incomparable Barry White
I'm totally lost. Are people people are getting offended about fake offense to offense? That's offensive! [handbags]
Great-Kazoo
12-16-2020, 22:02
Voiced by the one and only, the incomparable Barry White
I'm totally lost. Are people people are getting offended about fake offense to offense? That's offensive! [handbags]
No it's a grab from another thread.
which BTW. people keep thinking i'm a mod. I'm going to respond and really have fun. Ask mazin ;)
No it's a grab from another thread.
which BTW. people keep thinking i'm a mod. I'm going to respond and really have fun. Ask mazin ;)
As a MOD, you know better than to cross-post Dump!
Great-Kazoo
12-16-2020, 23:00
As a MOD, you know better than to cross-post Dump!
Like a clown , funny?
Friendship is everything. Friendship is more than talent. It is more than the government. It is almost the equal of family.
I saw the curve of the earth from a freaking boat last week. Not exactly high altitude.
Great-Kazoo
12-17-2020, 00:03
I saw the curve of the earth from a freaking boat last week. Not exactly high altitude.
Simple is, as simple does. You sure it was the curve and not seasickness?
Maybe it was the same curve that a drop of water sitting on a table has.
A lot of flat earthers got through science class on a curve. Maybe it's like that?
Aloha_Shooter
12-17-2020, 00:30
I’d rather spend time with a Flat Earther than an SJW or AOC-style Marxist. Flat Earthers are more intelligent, reasonable, and placid.
Old news.
I am surprised that he did not die from crazy launch ( from acceleration).
Daredevil and Flat Earth theorist "Mad Mike" Hughes dies in rocket crash
BY JORDAN FREIMAN
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mad-mike-hughes-daredevil-and-flat-earth-theorist-killed-in-rocket-crash-2020-02-22/
Bailey Guns
12-17-2020, 07:01
^^ One of the earliest COVID deaths...
If the Earth was flat cats would have knocked everything off of it by now...
BushMasterBoy
12-17-2020, 09:47
Flat earth is my favorite color. Orange is my second favorite color, you can eat it too.
Martinjmpr
12-17-2020, 16:06
Reloading, shooting Brewing beer and anything else that catch's my eye... like Scientology? Let me know how that works out. I stated that "thought some may be interested" but I knew there would be at least one like you.... I wonder why our country has been sold out? Its those like you that can't even take a look or not and just move on. Now, go make love to yourself! Have a nice day.
[LOL]
Voiced by the one and only, the incomparable Barry White
Down by the fire?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo0xXn_Syk
https://youtu.be/cu7A8LIzL1o
GilpinGuy
12-17-2020, 19:26
^^^That's awesome!
ChadAmberg
12-17-2020, 20:37
The Relativity of Wrong
By Isaac Asimov
I RECEIVED a letter the other day. It was handwritten in crabbed penmanship so that it was very difficult to read. Nevertheless, I tried to make it out just in case it might prove to be important. In the first sentence, the writer told me he was majoring in English literature, but felt he needed to teach me science. (I sighed a bit, for I knew very few English Lit majors who are equipped to teach me science, but I am very aware of the vast state of my ignorance and I am prepared to learn as much as I can from anyone, so I read on.)
It seemed that in one of my innumerable essays, I had expressed a certain gladness at living in a century in which we finally got the basis of the universe straight.
I didn't go into detail in the matter, but what I meant was that we now know the basic rules governing the universe, together with the gravitational interrelationships of its gross components, as shown in the theory of relativity worked out between 1905 and 1916. We also know the basic rules governing the subatomic particles and their interrelationships, since these are very neatly described by the quantum theory worked out between 1900 and 1930. What's more, we have found that the galaxies and clusters of galaxies are the basic units of the physical universe, as discovered between 1920 and 1930.
These are all twentieth-century discoveries, you see.
The young specialist in English Lit, having quoted me, went on to lecture me severely on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood the universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern "knowledge" is that it is wrong. The young man then quoted with approval what Socrates had said on learning that the Delphic oracle had proclaimed him the wisest man in Greece. "If I am the wisest man," said Socrates, "it is because I alone know that I know nothing." the implication was that I was very foolish because I was under the impression I knew a great deal.
My answer to him was, "John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."
The basic trouble, you see, is that people think that "right" and "wrong" are absolute; that everything that isn't perfectly and completely right is totally and equally wrong.
However, I don't think that's so. It seems to me that right and wrong are fuzzy concepts, and I will devote this essay to an explanation of why I think so.
When my friend the English literature expert tells me that in every century scientists think they have worked out the universe and are always wrong, what I want to know is how wrong are they? Are they always wrong to the same degree? Let's take an example.
In the early days of civilization, the general feeling was that the earth was flat. This was not because people were stupid, or because they were intent on believing silly things. They felt it was flat on the basis of sound evidence. It was not just a matter of "That's how it looks," because the earth does not look flat. It looks chaotically bumpy, with hills, valleys, ravines, cliffs, and so on.
Of course there are plains where, over limited areas, the earth's surface does look fairly flat. One of those plains is in the Tigris-Euphrates area, where the first historical civilization (one with writing) developed, that of the Sumerians.
Perhaps it was the appearance of the plain that persuaded the clever Sumerians to accept the generalization that the earth was flat; that if you somehow evened out all the elevations and depressions, you would be left with flatness. Contributing to the notion may have been the fact that stretches of water (ponds and lakes) looked pretty flat on quiet days.
Another way of looking at it is to ask what is the "curvature" of the earth's surface Over a considerable length, how much does the surface deviate (on the average) from perfect flatness. The flat-earth theory would make it seem that the surface doesn't deviate from flatness at all, that its curvature is 0 to the mile.
Nowadays, of course, we are taught that the flat-earth theory is wrong; that it is all wrong, terribly wrong, absolutely. But it isn't. The curvature of the earth is nearly 0 per mile, so that although the flat-earth theory is wrong, it happens to be nearly right. That's why the theory lasted so long.
There were reasons, to be sure, to find the flat-earth theory unsatisfactory and, about 350 B.C., the Greek philosopher Aristotle summarized them. First, certain stars disappeared beyond the Southern Hemisphere as one traveled north, and beyond the Northern Hemisphere as one traveled south. Second, the earth's shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse was always the arc of a circle. Third, here on the earth itself, ships disappeared beyond the horizon hull-first in whatever direction they were traveling.
All three observations could not be reasonably explained if the earth's surface were flat, but could be explained by assuming the earth to be a sphere.
What's more, Aristotle believed that all solid matter tended to move toward a common center, and if solid matter did this, it would end up as a sphere. A given volume of matter is, on the average, closer to a common center if it is a sphere than if it is any other shape whatever.
About a century after Aristotle, the Greek philosopher Eratosthenes noted that the sun cast a shadow of different lengths at different latitudes (all the shadows would be the same length if the earth's surface were flat). From the difference in shadow length, he calculated the size of the earthly sphere and it turned out to be 25,000 miles in circumference.
The curvature of such a sphere is about 0.000126 per mile, a quantity very close to 0 per mile, as you can see, and one not easily measured by the techniques at the disposal of the ancients. The tiny difference between 0 and 0.000126 accounts for the fact that it took so long to pass from the flat earth to the spherical earth.
Mind you, even a tiny difference, such as that between 0 and 0.000126, can be extremely important. That difference mounts up. The earth cannot be mapped over large areas with any accuracy at all if the difference isn't taken into account and if the earth isn't considered a sphere rather than a flat surface. Long ocean voyages can't be undertaken with any reasonable way of locating one's own position in the ocean unless the earth is considered spherical rather than flat.
Furthermore, the flat earth presupposes the possibility of an infinite earth, or of the existence of an "end" to the surface. The spherical earth, however, postulates an earth that is both endless and yet finite, and it is the latter postulate that is consistent with all later findings.
So, although the flat-earth theory is only slightly wrong and is a credit to its inventors, all things considered, it is wrong enough to be discarded in favor of the spherical-earth theory.
And yet is the earth a sphere?
No, it is not a sphere; not in the strict mathematical sense. A sphere has certain mathematical properties - for instance, all diameters (that is, all straight lines that pass from one point on its surface, through the center, to another point on its surface) have the same length.
That, however, is not true of the earth. Various diameters of the earth differ in length.
What gave people the notion the earth wasn't a true sphere? To begin with, the sun and the moon have outlines that are perfect circles within the limits of measurement in the early days of the telescope. This is consistent with the supposition that the sun and the moon are perfectly spherical in shape.
However, when Jupiter and Saturn were observed by the first telescopic observers, it became quickly apparent that the outlines of those planets were not circles, but distinct ellipses. That meant that Jupiter and Saturn were not true spheres.
Isaac Newton, toward the end of the seventeenth century, showed that a massive body would form a sphere under the pull of gravitational forces (exactly as Aristotle had argued), but only if it were not rotating. If it were rotating, a centrifugal effect would be set up that would lift the body's substance against gravity, and this effect would be greater the closer to the equator you progressed. The effect would also be greater the more rapidly a spherical object rotated, and Jupiter and Saturn rotated very rapidly indeed.
The earth rotated much more slowly than Jupiter or Saturn so the effect should be smaller, but it should still be there. Actual measurements of the curvature of the earth were carried out in the eighteenth century and Newton was proved correct.
The earth has an equatorial bulge, in other words. It is flattened at the poles. It is an "oblate spheroid" rather than a sphere. This means that the various diameters of the earth differ in length. The longest diameters are any of those that stretch from one point on the equator to an opposite point on the equator. This "equatorial diameter" is 12,755 kilometers (7,927 miles). The shortest diameter is from the North Pole to the South Pole and this "polar diameter" is 12,711 kilometers (7,900 miles).
The difference between the longest and shortest diameters is 44 kilometers (27 miles), and that means that the "oblateness" of the earth (its departure from true sphericity) is 44/12755, or 0.0034. This amounts to l/3 of 1 percent.
To put it another way, on a flat surface, curvature is 0 per mile everywhere. On the earth's spherical surface, curvature is 0.000126 per mile everywhere (or 8 inches per mile). On the earth's oblate spheroidal surface, the curvature varies from 7.973 inches to the mile to 8.027 inches to the mile.
The correction in going from spherical to oblate spheroidal is much smaller than going from flat to spherical. Therefore, although the notion of the earth as a sphere is wrong, strictly speaking, it is not as wrong as the notion of the earth as flat.
Even the oblate-spheroidal notion of the earth is wrong, strictly speaking. In 1958, when the satellite Vanguard I was put into orbit about the earth, it was able to measure the local gravitational pull of the earth--and therefore its shape--with unprecedented precision. It turned out that the equatorial bulge south of the equator was slightly bulgier than the bulge north of the equator, and that the South Pole sea level was slightly nearer the center of the earth than the North Pole sea level was.
There seemed no other way of describing this than by saying the earth was pear-shaped, and at once many people decided that the earth was nothing like a sphere but was shaped like a Bartlett pear dangling in space. Actually, the pear-like deviation from oblate-spheroid perfect was a matter of yards rather than miles, and the adjustment of curvature was in the millionths of an inch per mile.
In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after.
What actually happens is that once scientists get hold of a good concept they gradually refine and extend it with greater and greater subtlety as their instruments of measurement improve. Theories are not so much wrong as incomplete.
This can be pointed out in many cases other than just the shape of the earth. Even when a new theory seems to represent a revolution, it usually arises out of small refinements. If something more than a small refinement were needed, then the old theory would never have endured.
Copernicus switched from an earth-centered planetary system to a sun-centered one. In doing so, he switched from something that was obvious to something that was apparently ridiculous. However, it was a matter of finding better ways of calculating the motion of the planets in the sky, and eventually the geocentric theory was just left behind. It was precisely because the old theory gave results that were fairly good by the measurement standards of the time that kept it in being so long.
Again, it is because the geological formations of the earth change so slowly and the living things upon it evolve so slowly that it seemed reasonable at first to suppose that there was no change and that the earth and life always existed as they do today. If that were so, it would make no difference whether the earth and life were billions of years old or thousands. Thousands were easier to grasp.
But when careful observation showed that the earth and life were changing at a rate that was very tiny but not zero, then it became clear that the earth and life had to be very old. Modern geology came into being, and so did the notion of biological evolution.
If the rate of change were more rapid, geology and evolution would have reached their modern state in ancient times. It is only because the difference between the rate of change in a static universe and the rate of change in an evolutionary one is that between zero and very nearly zero that the creationists can continue propagating their folly.
Since the refinements in theory grow smaller and smaller, even quite ancient theories must have been sufficiently right to allow advances to be made; advances that were not wiped out by subsequent refinements.
The Greeks introduced the notion of latitude and longitude, for instance, and made reasonable maps of the Mediterranean basin even without taking sphericity into account, and we still use latitude and longitude today.
The Sumerians were probably the first to establish the principle that planetary movements in the sky exhibit regularity and can be predicted, and they proceeded to work out ways of doing so even though they assumed the earth to be the center of the universe. Their measurements have been enormously refined but the principle remains.
Naturally, the theories we now have might be considered wrong in the simplistic sense of my English Lit correspondent, but in a much truer and subtler sense, they need only be considered incomplete.
If you haven't watched the flat earth documentary "Behind the Curve" you really should.
It follows Mark Sargent, who's the current face man of the flat earth movement, and gets into the whole flat earth culture. Fascinating stuff.
GilpinGuy
12-17-2020, 21:04
If you haven't watched the flat earth documentary "Behind the Curve" you really should.
It follows Mark Sargent, who's the current face man of the flat earth movement, and gets into the whole flat earth culture. Fascinating stuff.
$4.00 to rent this? [ROFL1]
Thank you for posting Asimov's essay. He's always been a favorite.
$4.00 to rent this? [ROFL1]
It's on Netflix.
GilpinGuy
12-17-2020, 22:41
It's on Netflix.
Oh ok. I checked YT was like "PLEASE, I'm not spending a cent on this shit." My bad.
Behind the curve is hilarious
What I don't understand, is why the flat earth shape has a curve at all? Why not a square or triangle?
GilpinGuy
12-17-2020, 23:31
Holy cow, I'm 20 mins into "Behind the Curve" and don't think I can go all the way.
It's on Netflix.
Forgot to include that. Thanks.
http://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/132331041_3656188551103506_7078371763347502865_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=oIxWKkdlNAUAX_wZZg3&_nc_oc=AQnj6E-ShFNN5HFy5C4ix0YJ0IFxC6ZggyFpIvHdeKAAFy7brsnyb8Sff ZPJgX_pBFc&_nc_ht=scontent.fapa1-2.fna&oh=5153efc471836be385f3d9442c725021&oe=60061A33
I wanna see flat earther son/daughter argue with their science teacher or astronomy/planetary sci professor about flat earth. Then their dumbass parents goes to their teacher and dean to argue about their grade.
Next topic: 1+3 = 5.55432543534267378789 in 3rd coming of cult mathematics
GilpinGuy
12-21-2020, 00:40
I wanna see flat earther son/daughter argue with their science teacher or astronomy/planetary sci professor about flat earth. Then their dumbass parents goes to their teacher and dean to argue about their grade.
Next topic: 1+3 = 5.55432543534267378789 in 3rd coming of cult mathematics
Holy shit. The math during "at home learning" is excruciating. It takes 10 minutes to do simple math problem like 23 + 17. I just tell my 2nd grader to do it this way, the correct way, and to forget about all that other shit. She got it right away. I don't get the new math nonsense at all.
New math is similar to how I add big numbers in my head, but I don't understand, or like new math. It feels like they are trying to teach kids the way that people think in their heads, but concerning my own methods, I have always felt I do math in my head whatever way because I'm not good enough at math to do it the normal way.
Behind the curve is hilarious
So good, I love when they do the experiment that prove themselves wrong and then freak out.
Holy shit. The math during "at home learning" is excruciating. It takes 10 minutes to do simple math problem like 23 + 17. I just tell my 2nd grader to do it this way, the correct way, and to forget about all that other shit. She got it right away. I don't get the new math nonsense at all.
Yeah. I remember new math thread.
The word problem should be:
The math teacher smoked 100g of pot and 20g of crack twice today. How many grams of drug did teacher used today?
Old math: 140g of drug.
New mat: 40g of drug and 100g of good shiiiiit....
[LOL]
Just started "Behind thr Curve". Neil DeGrasse Tyson says, "The earth isn't f*ng flat!"
And to think these people are allowed to vote......
And reproduce........
Conspiracy theories.......
Emotionally and psychologically off bubble......
Lonely goofy dudes and a few earth muffins tossed in.........
Dunning-Kruger effect........
Ring laser gyroscope shows rotation of 15-degrees per hour (rotation rate of earth if it's a sphere).......
It's like listening to anyone with an extreme viewpoint.
kidicarus13
12-21-2020, 19:18
But I thought "Mad" Mike Hughes proved the earth was flat.https://media4.giphy.com/media/3E4g26uDjjqKUMs73y/giphy.gif?cid=349c9dd7qbzfcfsgflya0ttux1g16e0mfr1w ew6x2zn2y80i&rid=giphy.gif
Look what I have found at the store!
:)
https://i.imgur.com/IflRdQN.jpg
BushMasterBoy
12-21-2020, 21:32
Free birth control with every blow job. This thread sucks.
Free birth control with every blow job. This thread sucks.
And yet you posted......[Coffee]
Bailey Guns
12-22-2020, 06:40
Some of the stuff people get caught up in and believe is just amazing sometimes.
I can prove the world isn?t flat.
If it was, every asshole with a social media account would post some sort of selfie standing near the edge.
I can prove the world isn?t flat.
If it was, every asshole with a social media account would post some sort of selfie standing near the edge.
...and then we just clear the edge, like this.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3vqmjnRii1rq3i3ro6_400.gif
I can prove the world isn?t flat.
If it was, every asshole with a social media account would post some sort of selfie standing near the edge.
Awesome.
So through the latter part of 2018 and all of 2019 I hung out with the local Colorado Springs flat earth folks, going to their meetings, doing experiments with them, etc.
Not undercover, they all knew I was a "baller". At some level it was entirely selfish on my part, I have a pretty broad knowledge of science, and I LOVE to talk science and explain things. And I wasn't alone, there were two other ballers that regularly attended the meetings as well.
Both sides enjoyed the debate.
I find the Flat Earthers have two major problems: They don't understand the scale of things "How come when I look out over the ocean I don't see a curve?" You do. Just not with the naked eye without equipment to help you.
And they have problems with frames of reference "If we're spinning at 1000 miles an hour, why can't I feel it?" It's just like during a smooth plane ride - you don't feel yourself moving then, do you?
Less importantly, they also like to glom onto one piece of data that supports the FE position, discounting the overwhelming data that contradicts the one piece they choose to believe: "They said the Van Allen belts were deadly, how come suddenly we can fly through them now?" Yhea, when initially discovered back in the 50s they thought they were deadly. But as we got more data, turned out they weren't so much...
And lastly they get a little confused on how things work. We had one meeting to discuss the Foucault pendulum and after a period of time I realized that they thought the pendulum was moving, when in fact it's the observer that's moving, not the pendulum (the frame of reference problem).
I grabbed a wire-framed busing cart (we met at a coffee shop), tied a sting with a weight on it that hung from the top shelf to the lower shelf and put an object to represent the observer on the lower shelf and started the little pendulum swinging 90 degrees (back in forth) in front of the "observer object". At that point I twisted the cart 90 degrees and the pendulum was now swinging towards and away from the observer.
The woman who leads the group fell silent and stared at it for a long time. To this day I don't know if she "got it" or not, but it completely unseated all the arguments she had to discredit "how the pendulum moves".
It actually was a really fun time. We did several Pueblo Lake experiments to try and measure the curve, and I learned a TON about optical refraction above water. I got to see upside down images of the far shoreline, fata morganas, all sorts of stuff I never would have otherwise. And just how exacting you need to be to do a small experiment to measure something so large as the earth.
O2
I don't think I've ever heard of the pendulum thing you're referencing. I can look it up on YouTube, but do you have a good video in mind that does a good job explaining what you mean?
Circuits
12-25-2020, 13:35
So through the latter part of 2018 and all of 2019 I hung out with the local Colorado Springs flat earth folks, going to their meetings, doing experiments with them, etc.
Not undercover, they all knew I was a "baller". At some level it was entirely selfish on my part, I have a pretty broad knowledge of science, and I LOVE to talk science and explain things. And I wasn't alone, there were two other ballers that regularly attended the meetings as well.
Both sides enjoyed the debate.
I find the Flat Earthers have two major problems: They don't understand the scale of things "How come when I look out over the ocean I don't see a curve?" You do. Just not with the naked eye without equipment to help you.
And they have problems with frames of reference "If we're spinning at 1000 miles an hour, why can't I feel it?" It's just like during a smooth plane ride - you don't feel yourself moving then, do you?
Less importantly, they also like to glom onto one piece of data that supports the FE position, discounting the overwhelming data that contradicts the one piece they choose to believe: "They said the Van Allen belts were deadly, how come suddenly we can fly through them now?" Yhea, when initially discovered back in the 50s they thought they were deadly. But as we got more data, turned out they weren't so much...
And lastly they get a little confused on how things work. We had one meeting to discuss the Foucault pendulum and after a period of time I realized that they thought the pendulum was moving, when in fact it's the observer that's moving, not the pendulum (the frame of reference problem).
I grabbed a wire-framed busing cart (we met at a coffee shop), tied a sting with a weight on it that hung from the top shelf to the lower shelf and put an object to represent the observer on the lower shelf and started the little pendulum swinging 90 degrees (back in forth) in front of the "observer object". At that point I twisted the cart 90 degrees and the pendulum was now swinging towards and away from the observer.
The woman who leads the group fell silent and stared at it for a long time. To this day I don't know if she "got it" or not, but it completely unseated all the arguments she had to discredit "how the pendulum moves".
It actually was a really fun time. We did several Pueblo Lake experiments to try and measure the curve, and I learned a TON about optical refraction above water. I got to see upside down images of the far shoreline, fata morganas, all sorts of stuff I never would have otherwise. And just how exacting you need to be to do a small experiment to measure something so large as the earth.
O2
I never once thought of joining/going to a flat earth society to meet dumb/credulous chicks. Clearly, my loss.
I don't think I've ever heard of the pendulum thing you're referencing. I can look it up on YouTube, but do you have a good video in mind that does a good job explaining what you mean?
I watched some videos. I'm up to speed now. Very intresting.
I never once thought of joining/going to a flat earth society to meet dumb/credulous chicks. Clearly, my loss.
Not why I went to the meetings, but if that's your thing...
O2
JohnnyDrama
12-26-2020, 12:50
Not why I went to the meetings, but if that's your thing...
O2
I've attended meetings with "fringy" groups on occasion. More frequently when I lived in some of the surrounding towns with a more diverse (crunchy) culture. Mostly just to see what it was about and expand my horizons a little. Being able to debate people on different points is kind of fun sometimes. Flat earthers aren't the only ones who glom onto a single piece of data that supports their position. In academia its known as "cherry picking".
It sounds like you had fun.
Yes, occasionally there were "dumb/credulous chicks" in some of these groups. I had to tell myself to stay away from them. Made me think about a coworker I had who met her (now ex) husband at a gay bar. It didn't work out.
BushMasterBoy
12-26-2020, 18:01
Foucault pendulum. I wish I had some codeine. The pain has been unreal!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum#:~:text=The%20Foucault%20pendulu m%20or%20Foucault's,evidence%20of%20the%20Earth's% 20rotation.
I never once thought of joining/going to a flat earth society to meet dumb/credulous chicks. Clearly, my loss.
Probably the perfect venue if you're into the Crazy Cat Lady scene.
ChickNorris
12-27-2020, 02:25
I never once thought of joining/going to a flat earth society to meet dumb/credulous chicks. Clearly, my loss.
Incredulous might have been more befitting given the topic.
Separately, I think that was a shitty statement you made.
BushMasterBoy
12-27-2020, 11:52
I joined the Space Force to go to a flat planet... I get around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x619VW65l1Y
They probably have an argument for the Focault pendulum argument.
They probably have an argument for the Focault pendulum argument.
Precession.
I watched a ton of FE videos and read a lot of articles to fully understand their arguments.
I can defend the FE position really well against any baller, while not believing any of it for a moment.
O2
leightoncash
12-29-2020, 19:34
So through the latter part of 2018 and all of 2019 I hung out with the local Colorado Springs flat earth folks, going to their meetings, doing experiments with them, etc.
Not undercover, they all knew I was a "baller". At some level it was entirely selfish on my part, I have a pretty broad knowledge of science, and I LOVE to talk science and explain things. And I wasn't alone, there were two other ballers that regularly attended the meetings as well.
Both sides enjoyed the debate.
I find the Flat Earthers have two major problems: They don't understand the scale of things "How come when I look out over the ocean I don't see a curve?" You do. Just not with the naked eye without equipment to help you.
And they have problems with frames of reference "If we're spinning at 1000 miles an hour, why can't I feel it?" It's just like during a smooth plane ride - you don't feel yourself moving then, do you?
Less importantly, they also like to glom onto one piece of data that supports the FE position, discounting the overwhelming data that contradicts the one piece they choose to believe: "They said the Van Allen belts were deadly, how come suddenly we can fly through them now?" Yhea, when initially discovered back in the 50s they thought they were deadly. But as we got more data, turned out they weren't so much...
And lastly they get a little confused on how things work. We had one meeting to discuss the Foucault pendulum and after a period of time I realized that they thought the pendulum was moving, when in fact it's the observer that's moving, not the pendulum (the frame of reference problem).
I grabbed a wire-framed busing cart (we met at a coffee shop), tied a sting with a weight on it that hung from the top shelf to the lower shelf and put an object to represent the observer on the lower shelf and started the little pendulum swinging 90 degrees (back in forth) in front of the "observer object". At that point I twisted the cart 90 degrees and the pendulum was now swinging towards and away from the observer.
The woman who leads the group fell silent and stared at it for a long time. To this day I don't know if she "got it" or not, but it completely unseated all the arguments she had to discredit "how the pendulum moves".
It actually was a really fun time. We did several Pueblo Lake experiments to try and measure the curve, and I learned a TON about optical refraction above water. I got to see upside down images of the far shoreline, fata morganas, all sorts of stuff I never would have otherwise. And just how exacting you need to be to do a small experiment to measure something so large as the earth.
O2I love that you did that. We need more people like you in the world, that can engage with and have relationships with people of opposing views, while still thinking for yourself. It's easy to be surly and "right", much harder to be a thoughtful but diplomatic person with some warmth. Very cool.
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Precession.
I watched a ton of FE videos and read a lot of articles to fully understand their arguments.
I can defend the FE position really well against any baller, while not believing any of it for a moment.
O2
I think any issue worth discussing, is worth understanding from both sides. Well done.
After space tourism is available for mass public, those flat earth guys can chip in the money and send their leader to capture unedited gopro footage of the travel.
After space tourism is available for mass public, those flat earth guys can chip in the money and send their leader to capture unedited gopro footage of the travel.
Thats what they were doing when dude launched the steam rocket that left the parachute attached to the launchpad.
After space tourism is available for mass public, those flat earth guys can chip in the money and send their leader to capture unedited gopro footage of the travel.
Won't work. They'll claim they were bought off by NASA and are now part of the conspiracy. You'd have to send every flat earther into space and I'm sure some would claim it was anti-grav units and a projection.
We had one meeting where I pointed out that they could take flights that stayed in the Southern hemisphere and prove to themselves that it wasn't as far around as the FE map showed. I even showed them the scheduled flights.
The response: Those flights never happen. They're always canceled. They're only listed to give the impression that they exist.
O2
Is there a map somewhere of this flat earth?
I kind of need to know where I am in relation to the edge.
Is there a map somewhere of this flat earth?
So as long as I'm displaying a map. The first meeting that was cancelled because of COVID early this year was going to discuss a topic I had brought up in an earlier discussion, the Chile's 1960 Valdivia earthquake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_Valdivia_earthquake) and the Tsunami that resulted from it.
The times the Tsunami hit various coasts was well documented by local newspapers and actually killed people; I was hoping that the magnitude of information coupled with the tragic loss of life would make the information rise above any claims of "It's a conspiracy, people were paid off, etc." (but I wasn't going to hold my breath, either).
Just a two of the facts I was going to present were:
The Tsunami hit the Southeast coast of Australia and the Big Island of Hawaii at about the same time.
It struck the East coast of New Zealand.
Looking at the flat earth map below, you'll see that Australia is almost twice the distance from the Tsunami's source (West coast of Chile) than Hawaii (which would make the "hit at the same time" impossible on the FE map) and not only is Australia in the "shadow" of both South and North America, but it's SE coast is AWAY from the source of the Tsunami. Also, NZ's East coast faces almost directly away from the Tsunami's source.
Whereas if you take a globe and look at the coastal orientations and distances, the Tsunami's propagation time makes complete sense. See second picture.
So that's the kinda stuff we discussed during the meetings. For me, since it was all about science, I was like a pig in $#!+.
O2
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uRpMCAmQo33CV4M2srWivf-1200-80.jpg
Tsunami propagation time in hours:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Tsunami_travel_time_Valdivia_1960.jpg
Grant H.
12-30-2020, 11:21
Won't work. They'll claim they were bought off by NASA and are now part of the conspiracy. You'd have to send every flat earther into space and I'm sure some would claim it was anti-grav units and a projection.
We had one meeting where I pointed out that they could take flights that stayed in the Southern hemisphere and prove to themselves that it wasn't as far around as the FE map showed. I even showed them the scheduled flights.
The response: Those flights never happen. They're always canceled. They're only listed to give the impression that they exist.
O2
You don't need me to say this, but I've taken flights that screw with their ideas in both the Northern and Southern Hemisphere...
But, I also work for a company that makes money by taking pictures of the pretty ball in space, FROM space... I've just been bought off apparently.
I've just been bought off apparently.
Must be agonizing hiding those millions of dollars from those of us not part of the conspiracy. :)
O2
Grant H.
12-30-2020, 11:36
Must be agonizing hiding those millions of dollars from those of us not part of the conspiracy. :)
O2
I hid them well enough that I don't even get to play with them...
I've had discussions with FE'ers as well, and it is interesting to see their thought process and be able to understand the missing logical step that they aren't taking.
Even before this job, when I was doing industrial data comms, I had to account for the curvature of the earth, and I could easily prove it existed with radios. Even with proof that didn't require space/etc, they still think there is some fix that the .gov is perpetrating.
Just think... All those damn towers I built, climbed, and worked on over the years are ONLY used because of a massive .gov conspiracy...
Thanks for the map.
If I run into one of the flat earth people I might have to have them explain the science to me for why the very center has a big cold spot. Seems to be one similar cold spot near one small place on the edge as well.
Once they explain the two weird cold spots then I can hopefully have them explain the changing seasons and the shorter daylight in the winter months.
I've debated with flat earthers a few times, and the one thing they can't do is to present an atlas or navigational map that uses flat earth projection.
Ultimately, Flat Earth falls apart, like most pseudoscience does, when you start asking about the practical applications for whatever the actual theory is that you're debating. Things like cartography, trucking and shipping routes, and even airplane routes*.
For instance, look at a Flat Earth picture, like the one posted earlier in the thread. Look at how distorted the landmasses become the further toward the edge you get. If Flat Earth were real, it would be trivially easy to prove it by mapping a north-south route in one of those countries, say, from Adelaide in the South of Australia, to Darwin in the North.
According to Flat Earth, those two cities are not that far apart, but according to traditional mapping, they're quite far apart. All you'd have to do is drive or fly from Adelaide to Darwin and keep track of the miles of the odometer. If that mileage matches the FE model, then FE would be true. If it matches the Globe model, then FE is clearly false.
Ultimately, though, from what I've seen, the people who believe in FE don't really care about FE. For most of them, FE belief is ultimately about faith, and is rooted in an extremely literal interpretation of the Bible to the point where FE and their faith are so intertwined that they can't separate them without their entire belief system falling apart.
And then there's Mark Sargent, who's the current face man for FE, and the guy who's the subject of Behind the Curve. He comes across as a pretty affable guy, but looking at his life objectively, he's not really a winner. He lives at home with his Mom, he's not really fit, he never really held down a job or started a family, in short, he's kind of a loser. But his FE advocacy has brought him a measure of fame, allowed him to travel all over, and donations from followers keep him financially afloat. That dude will hang on to FE advocacy for as long as it brings him money and acclaim, even if he secretly knows the truth.
*There's a video on Youtube where a guy took a flight that crossed over Antarctica, and he recorded the entire trip, both on video and with a GPS device. It absolutely disproved the FE conspiracy about no flights over Antarctica, but he was simply dismissed out of hand.
Precession.
I watched a ton of FE videos and read a lot of articles to fully understand their arguments.
I can defend the FE position really well against any baller, while not believing any of it for a moment.
O2
You can't have precession without a spinning (object) sphere. Even with precession, the rate of change from precession (>100,000 years)is much slower than the 24-hour period to cycle through the Focault circle.
Have you talked with them about the earth's polehode motion?
If the answer to most things is, "There is a conspiracy to cover up the truth," then they are already too far gone in their thinking. No amount of reasoning or evidence will matter.
You can't have precession without a spinning (object) sphere.
I'm talking about a pendulum's precession. Small lateral errors at time of release* can cause the pendulum's swing to take on an elliptical track and the direction of it's swing will change on its own.
O2
* This is why the Foucault pendulum back in the day was commonly released by burning a string that was holding the pendulum back - so no lateral movement was imparted at the moment of release.
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