Auto knives

[stenz]

Now that they are legal, what do people recommend?

[SouthPaw]

I've been looking at Boker for price and the new Kershaw Launch line.

http://www.bladehq.com/item--Boker-Kalashnikov-Automatic-Knife--9485

http://www.bladehq.com/item--Kershaw-Launch-4-Automatic-Knife-1--34416

http://www.bladehq.com/item--Kershaw-Launch-1-Automatic-Knife--27374

[SA Friday]

They are not legal yet.... the repeal doesn't go into effect until the end of State congress hearings, approximately 9 August.

[colorider]

I own several Booker and a few Benchbade. The Boker above is great for the $$$. Benchmade are super nice but more $$. I'm not a fan of out the front blades as they tend to less durable and the blades are thinner. I use my knives daily so I want them to be sturdy. I have a Boker speedlock and a speedlock2 that I have had for years. The speedlock2 was my edc knife till about 6 months ago. Now a benchmade is its replacement. My Boker lost a side panel and the spring is super weak now.
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Benchmade-4300-Automatic-Knife--26910
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Benchmade-4400SBK-Casbah-Automatic--51632
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Boker-Speed-Lock-II--783

[SA Friday]

I moved this to the Knife section, btw.

It was one of my random acts as a moderator, lol.

[Great-Kazoo]

Now that they are legal, what do people recommend?

You want utilitarian or something one can appreciate? I like the Boker for an EDC, stout, sharp moderate weight.

There's the everyday work tool from the cheap ones on the left, to Boker & Benchmade (Middle 2) to collectibles like my post WWII Schrade paratrooper & Hubertus.

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AND the (IMO) Cadillac, Lincoln, whatever you like, of knives a Hubertus Solingen. They're works of art, for what they are.

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http://www.hubertus-solingen.com/index_en.html

[hurley842002]

You want utilitarian or something one can appreciate? I like the Boker for an EDC, stout, sharp moderate weight.

There's the everyday work tool from the cheap ones on the left, to Boker & Benchmade (Middle 2) to collectibles like my post WWII Schrade paratrooper & Hubertus.

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AND the (IMO) Cadillac, Lincoln, whatever you like, of knives a Hubertus Solingen. They're works of art, for what they are.

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http://www.hubertus-solingen.com/index_en.html

My late Grandmother had one similar to the pink one with hook, but it wasn't pink, and it had two blades a large and small. She was planning on passing it down to one of us boys (likely me because I'm the gun/knife nut out of the bunch), but it was stolen out of her home, along with a bunch of other stuff, unfortunate.

[Great-Kazoo]

My late Grandmother had one similar to the pink one with hook, but it wasn't pink, and it had two blades a large and small. She was planning on passing it down to one of us boys (likely me because I'm the gun/knife nut out of the bunch), but it was stolen out of her home, along with a bunch of other stuff, unfortunate.

ORANGE Not PINK. it's quite faded.

[hurley842002]

ORANGE Not PINK. it's quite faded.

It's 2017, nothing wrong with a pink knife...

[ray1970]

Looks pink to me too.

Could be your crappy photography skills I suppose.

[brutal]

Damnitall!

I guess I have to OC my Gerber's, realize now they are 3.6-3.7" depending on who measures.

The edge is only 3.5", that's what counts right?

So, is carrying one in a car considered concealed? Or is this another stupid, poorly written (un-banned) law?

If the pocket clip shows, is it still concealed?

[Great-Kazoo]

Damnitall!

I guess I have to OC my Gerber's, realize now they are 3.6-3.7" depending on who measures.

The edge is only 3.5", that's what counts right?

So, is carrying one in a car considered concealed? Or is this another stupid, poorly written (un-banned) law?

If the pocket clip shows, is it still concealed?


DADT.

Until you volunteer info, it's just another knife.

[JoshD]

Any one know of shops carrying the automatic knives?

[Irving]

I bet the guys down at the Army Surplus store near 36 and Pecos are creaming their little panties.

[Great-Kazoo]

Any one know of shops carrying the automatic knives?

Yes. there's a local place to shop i know of.


They are NOT legal to buy yet.

Everybody on the internet carries them though and probably always have.

Not true. They're legal to purchase for ones collection. just not carry. It's been that way for years.

[colorider]

Bristlecone in Lakewood has them and has for a while. Not going to spew legalities, but Kazoo is correct.
I know they have Benchmade, maybe others.

[Great-Kazoo]

I look at the statutes and I dont see where it says its OK to have them at home. I know that is the common belief, and I really dont care if you have a tank at home, I just cant see the legality in the text. Show me..

18-12-102. Possessing a dangerous or illegal weapon – affirmative defense

(1) As used in this section, the term “dangerous weapon” means a firearm silencer, machine gun, short shotgun, short rifle, or ballistic knife.

(2) As used in this section, the term “illegal weapon” means a blackjack, gas gun, metallic knuckles, gravity knife, or switchblade knife.

(3) A person who knowingly possesses a dangerous weapon commits a class 5 felony. Each subsequent violation of this subsection (3) by the same person shall be a class 4 felony.

(4) A person who knowingly possesses an illegal weapon commits a class 1 misdemeanor.

(e) “Gravity knife” means any knife that has a blade released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force.

(j) “Switchblade knife” means any knife, the blade of which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring, or other device in its handle.



I'm a collector, not carrying them. It's not illegal to collect items, a few which are not legal to have in ones possession or use, in public. BB guns are an example. I can buy them almost any store that carries sporting goods. However it's illegal to discharge them in a residential or other public areas.


GAS GUN. These are considered a Gas Gun yet again. Available where other sporting goods are sold.

https://www.amazon.com/Mace-Brand-Pepper-Gun-2-0/dp/B01N5TIY3J/ref=pd_lpo_200_tr_t_3/155-8166717-4234247?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QNSBFEKVPJZAD7M4GDE9

http://grabagun.com/kimber-pepperblaster-ii-red-oc-sngl.html

[brutal]

I'm just gonna write the ATF.

[stenz]

Thanks for the responses.

[brutal]

Sorry we trashed your thread.

[dig]

[Mtneer]

Is there any significant difference between an auto knife and a good assisted-opening knife (already legal to carry)? For example, I have a Kizer Gemini, an H&K/Benchmade Nitrous Blitz, and a Kershaw Blur. Different mechanisms but all super fast, especially the Kizer. What does an auto offer I don't already have?

[brutal]

Tacticoolness.

In all honesty, compared to most assisted opening knives, the auto doesn't give you much more.

Since I've learned to carry and deploy my EDC knife off-hand (Sog Flash-II), and carry it tip up and oriented for opening quickly with a thumb flick, it's actually a better setup than using my Gerber 06 Auto.

When I didn't carry a gun, and carried the Gerber in my right pocket, it worked. It's clumsy in my left because the button is on the wrong side for fast simple deployment.

[Great-Kazoo]

Is there any significant difference between an auto knife and a good assisted-opening knife (already legal to carry)? For example, I have a Kizer Gemini, an H&K/Benchmade Nitrous Blitz, and a Kershaw Blur. Different mechanisms but all super fast, especially the Kizer. What does an auto offer I don't already have?

The potential to spend more money.

My wife carries a kershaw, that she handles like a chef , favoring it over an auto opening one.

[Marine24]

Have to agree. I'm faster with my VECP than my Eagle auto. More about just having one.

[Irving]

I suspect people are faster with their assisted knives partially out of familiarity as that is what they've been using most.

[Marine24]

I suspect people are faster with their assisted knives partially out of familiarity as that is what they've been using most.

Agree plus the autos that I have or are familiar with have safeties as well.

[kwando]

Someone I had dinner with last night brought their microtech. First firing and it malfunctioned, I was not impressed. I was able to fix it and it was fine all night. I will like my assisted ZT

[Great-Kazoo]

Someone I had dinner with last night brought their microtech. First firing and it malfunctioned, I was not impressed. I was able to fix it and it was fine all night. I will like my assisted ZT

Like guns that are kept in one's pocket, then need cleaning. Lint and who knows what, have a tendency to jam or slow the action .

[kwando]

Like guns that are kept in one's pocket, then need cleaning. Lint and who knows what, have a tendency to jam or slow the action .

This otf was less than 48 hours old. Maybe I'm just a pussy and limp twisted it. But I was very disappointed

[Irving]

Lmao

[Great-Kazoo]

Maybe ? I'm just a pussy and limp twisted it. But I was very disappointed

[Irving]

Great, I'm going to have to leave all my windows down when I visit you now.

[ray1970]

Great, I'm going to have to leave all my windows down when I visit you now.

Can't roll down the windshield.

[Adawg38]

Bladehq.com has a bunch of nice knives made in the USA. The OTF Paragon knives are my favorite for the $$$.

[TFOGGER]

I'm currently a Spyderco dealer, and we are in the process of getting Microtech and Benchmade on board. Lots of options available soon (and legally after the new law takes effect)!

[Duman]

Will they ship an auto opener without requiring documentation of the buyer being LEO ?

[Duman]

Benchmade 917 triage (auto)
$212 delivered. Has the carbide window breaker, rescue hook, and main blade (obviously).

Great price on that. Where did you find it?

[Great-Kazoo]

Govx.com
Nobody asked for any anything.

I pay a little more per item from a shop 5 min from me. I prefer cash n carry, so that extra cost isn't a factor.

[longrange2]

I stopped in a Sportsman's Warehouse in Flagstaff this week, AZ is an automatic knife friendly state. I was surprised to find a small but decent collection of auto knives on the shelf, Benchmade, Kershaw and a few other brands. I'll be down there again in August and will likely pick something up then.

[SideShow Bob]

The factory made Buck 110 auto is now available at Blade HQ.
No questions asked, and free shipping.
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Buck-110-Automatic-Lockback-Knife--51274

[sellersm]

The factory made Buck 110 auto is now available at Blade HQ.
No questions asked, and free shipping.
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Buck-110-Automatic-Lockback-Knife--51274

Beautiful knife!! Thx for the link.


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[theGinsue]

Everyone please keep in mind that these are NOT legal in CO and won't be legal until August 9, 2017. If you plan to acquire one before that date you need to keep that to yourselves.

[theGinsue]

Wasn't trying to stiffle the conversation on auto knives, just advising everyone be smart about posting anything you may acquire before the Aug 9 change in the law.

[ray1970]

When I can go to a local shop and fondle them I'll be buying one. Until then I'll just research and see what I might want.

[ben4372]

The factory made Buck 110 auto is now available at Blade HQ.
No questions asked, and free shipping.
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Buck-110-Automatic-Lockback-Knife--51274

Out of stock. I'd been looking at 3rd party versions for a while.
Thanks for the link. I'm gettin one, when back in stock.

[Lex_Luthor]

I have a Ganzo auto that I found on eBay. Surprised with the quality of build & durability. Not bad for a sub $25 knife!

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[Wiggity]

They are NOT legal to buy yet. So, its doubtfull many legit places have them for sale locally. Read the thread or article. August 9th, 2017 is the date you are looking for.

Everybody on the internet carries them though and probably always have.


I look at the statutes and I dont see where it says its OK to have them at home. I know that is the common belief, and I really dont care if you have a tank at home, I just cant see the legality in the text. Show me..

18-12-102. Possessing a dangerous or illegal weapon – affirmative defense

(1) As used in this section, the term “dangerous weapon” means a firearm silencer, machine gun, short shotgun, short rifle, or ballistic knife.

(2) As used in this section, the term “illegal weapon” means a blackjack, gas gun, metallic knuckles, gravity knife, or switchblade knife.

(3) A person who knowingly possesses a dangerous weapon commits a class 5 felony. Each subsequent violation of this subsection (3) by the same person shall be a class 4 felony.

(4) A person who knowingly possesses an illegal weapon commits a class 1 misdemeanor.

(e) “Gravity knife” means any knife that has a blade released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force.

(j) “Switchblade knife” means any knife, the blade of which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring, or other device in its handle.

They have always been legal to collect. Legally, possession =/= buying or collecting. You need need a law permitting you to do something that is not illegal.


Someone I had dinner with last night brought their microtech. First firing and it malfunctioned, I was not impressed. I was able to fix it and it was fine all night. I will like my assisted ZT

Got a microtech on a trade a long time ago and did not like it. OTF in general is a flimsy design.


Will they ship an auto opener without requiring documentation of the buyer being LEO ?

Some won't, but a lot of companies will.

[ray1970]

Getting close to August 9th.

[StagLefty]

Been looking at a bunch of autos on the internet lately. I don't need another knife but a nice auto might be nice for these arthritic hands.

[ray1970]

I'm getting one. No real reason other than I can. So I figure why not.

[TFOGGER]

I have a Spyderco Autonomy in stock, Ray...http://advrider.com/styles/advrider_smilies/deal.gif

[ray1970]

I have a Spyderco Autonomy in stock, Ray...http://advrider.com/styles/advrider_smilies/deal.gif

Sorry. Never saw this post.

Anyhow, still not sure what I want. I do knowing I am not looking at any of the OTF styles. Too bad as I see there are several for sale in the trading post already.

[StagLefty]

^ I'm looking at OTF because you can grip the knife better than out the side JMHO

[ray1970]

For lack of a better explanation, the few OTF knives I've handled just seemed a little flimsy. Of course they could have been lower end knives. Maybe I should handle a few big name ones and see what I think.

[hurley842002]

For lack of a better explanation, the few OTF knives I've handled just seemed a little flimsy. Of course they could have been lower end knives. Maybe I should handle a few big name ones and see what I think.
I don't think it's just you, I've handled a couple microtechs and they felt flimsy, probably good for poking someone (which may be what they are designed for), but didn't seem robust enough for any hard use, however, I'm also accustomed to using ZT knives so that could be part of it.

[StagLefty]

From what I read lately a little play in the blade of an OTF is common. The videos I've watched on the Microtechs the lockup seems solid once they're deployed. I'm interested in the UTX-85, seems like a good OTF. Unfortunately the ones that have popped up in the trading post are'nt just plain clip points.

[driver]

The surplus store at Broadway and 285 had several Benchmade autos in a case.

[elsilrac1]

For OTF try a Microtech Halo V or another reputable single action OTF.

You will find the double actions not as sturdy, but more fun to play with. Even the Bechmade Infidel does not stand up to hard use like a single action OTF does.

[sportbikeco]

If you just want a cheap OTF to play with the "lightning" are the best of the cheap-o ones.

http://www.bladeplay.com/item--Black-Lightning-DA-OTF--396

[ray1970]

If you just want a cheap OTF to play with the "lightning" are the best of the cheap-o ones.

http://www.bladeplay.com/item--Black-Lightning-DA-OTF--396

I have one if anyone wants to check it out in person before plunking down $30-$40 of their hard earned cash.

I picked it up to see what I thought about carrying an OTF before I decide if I want to spend the money on something like a Microtech or Benchmade.

[StagLefty]

I ordered an OTF today from https://ravencresttactical.com/ you can customize the looks if you like and if you sign up you get a discount on your order. I paid $156.95 for a Titan model with shipping. It seemed like Microtechs were never getting back in stock !

[ray1970]

I ordered an OTF today from https://ravencresttactical.com/ you can customize the looks if you like and if you sign up you get a discount on your order. I paid $156.95 for a Titan model with shipping. It seemed like Microtechs were never getting back in stock !

I think there was a guy with some of those at the last Tanner show.

I’m still trying to decide what I really want or if I want anything at all. I’ve carried my cheap OTF for a bit but have been carrying a cheap side folding auto for a few weeks now.

I carry a knife daily as s tool mostly for cutting open boxes, stripping wire if my strippers aren’t handy, and occasionally scraping a little paint off an information tag or scraping a bit of old gasket material off.

Might just ditch the whole auto knife deal and start carrying my Benchmade again.

[StagLefty]

Something to look forward to Ray is arthritic hands since you work with your hands like I did before retiring. Dual action OTF seems like a good alternative to me.
I've always had a knife in my pocket ever since my Dad gave me my first one and I use one one almost on a daily basis. Looking forward to getting this one and will let you folks know what I think of it when it arrives.

[Grant H.]

I ordered an OTF today from https://ravencresttactical.com/ you can customize the looks if you like and if you sign up you get a discount on your order. I paid $156.95 for a Titan model with shipping. It seemed like Microtechs were never getting back in stock !

One of the guys I work with has a Ravenscrest. It seems stronger and locks up better than the Microtech otf's that I have seen.

I bought one for my wife's knife collection. Yes, it's hers. LOL.

I'm cheap, so I bought a Kershaw Launch 5, and have been carrying it. I really like it thus far. Is it as durable as my ZT? Doesn't seem like it, but I do like it.

[StagLefty]

I have a cheapo side opener I picked up at a gun show years ago,never been a fan of side openers. You have to regrip the knife after you deploy the blade and that was what I didn't like. JMHO

[StagLefty]

Got the Ravencrest OTF today. Super solid action and blade is not loose like I read about with OTF knives. Black kerakoate scales and red kerakoate trigger,screws,and glass breaker. Time wil tell but real happy with it so far.
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[OtterbatHellcat]

Cool. I hope you end up feeling it was the right choice over the test of time.

Nice blade.

[stevew]

Got a Benchmade MINI-INFIDEL. It says mini but its only mini compared to the non mini, otherwise its the same as my Buck folder. Love it so far. Feels solid and positive. They had them in Steamboat Springs at full retail but you can get better pricing at bladehq. Course then theres maybe shipping and the agony of having to wait.

[StagLefty]

Took a few weeks to work out the tightness and build up my thumb to retract the blade haha but pretty happy with it.
https://imgur.com/44WecKW

[hobowh]

The raven crests aren't bad for the money, they are parts made in china and assembled here, but they stand behind there product with a no questions asked lifetime warranty. I have a couple and they work great.

[brutal]

Took a few weeks to work out the tightness and build up my thumb to retract the blade haha but pretty happy with it.
https://imgur.com/44WecKW

Figures they don't have the base model I would buy. OOS

Customize costs $50 more for the same knife. While the discount helps offset that a little, I can't bear to pay more for the same thing just so someone can build what they should have in stock.

[StagLefty]

This was a customized knife and cost the same as a base model. It was $156 and change with shipping.My discount was about $35.

[Jumpstart]

boker black friday

https://www.bladehq.com/cat--Boker-Kalashnikov--249?utm_source=Blade+HQ+Newsletter&utm_campaign=28339ee056-bhq-black-friday-11-23-2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_52c5a7be85-28339ee056-199093417

[MrPrena]

Kershaw Launch 5 and Boker Kalashinikov74

https://i.imgur.com/282RY6r.jpg?1

[Fentonite]

Kershaw Launch 5 and Boker Kalashinikov74

https://i.imgur.com/282RY6r.jpg?1

MrPrena, we have similar tastes. I also have a similar Boker and Kershaw. I like the Kerahaw much more than the Boker. Then I got a Benchmade, and I like it even more than the Kershaw. But they each have their role, and get carried accordingly. A couple things I like less about the Benchmade, but I’ll figure it out.

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[MrPrena]

MrPrena, we have similar tastes. I also have a similar Boker and Kershaw. I like the Kerahaw much more than the Boker. Then I got a Benchmade, and I like it even more than the Kershaw. But they each have their role, and get carried accordingly. A couple things I like less about the Benchmade, but I’ll figure it out.

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Nice benchmade there! (rukus?)
I would agree. Launch5>Boker ak74 knives.
I started very late on EDC Knife (3q this year), and It saves me so much time having one. I do not need to look for box cutter/scissors 3+ times per day now. :D

[Fentonite]

Nice benchmade there! (rukus?)
I would agree. Launch5>Boker ak74 knives.
I started very late on EDC Knife (3q this year), and It saves me so much time having one. I do not need to look for box cutter/scissors 3+ times per day now. :D

Yeah, that’s the Rukus II (auto reincarnation of the Rukus). It has a silly little safety that likes to engage itself, and I’ll probably epoxy that in place. Also, the button on it is a bit tall and tries to rip the fingernail off my pinky when I put my hand in my pocket, but I’ll get used to it. The Benchmade also has the sharpest edge from the factory I’ve ever had. And I agree, carrying a knife comes in handy every single day, and I feel like an idiot on the rare instances when I don’t have one on me, but need one.

[hurley842002]

Bumping this up, been looking close at the Kershaw launch 4 as my first auto, it's unusually small, but seems really pocket able and CA compliant is handy for the times I'm out there. I really like the blade profile and handle shape (probably my favorite style), and if Kershaw would make a larger version, in a 2.75-3" blade length, I'd be all over it, as it would be a good alternative to the Benchmade 3551 Stimulus that I've wanted for a long time, but can't seem to dish out the $$ for. Anyone have one of these mini's they can comment on?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180520/6d63eaa3eadcae0f2190a04a0c3ce34e.jpg

[sellersm]

No experience with the 4 but seriously considering the 5 or 7! Hope someone chimes in!


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[hurley842002]

No experience with the 4 but seriously considering the 5 or 7! Hope someone chimes in!


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The 3 and 5 are also on my radar for the future, but since our CA trip is coming up, I think I may pick up the 4 sooner than later. Although very small, I think the 4 would accomplish 90% of my daily tasks, which aren't much, most of the blades on my knives still look new, and the ZT0350 I carry is likely way overkill for my uses.

[sellersm]

The 3 and 5 are also on my radar for the future, but since our CA trip is coming up, I think I may pick up the 4 sooner than later. Although very small, I think the 4 would accomplish 90% of my daily tasks, which aren't much, most of the blades on my knives still look new, and the ZT0350 I carry is likely way overkill for my uses.

Valid points and I think it’s a wise & prudent choice! Keep us posted.


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[Great-Kazoo]

Bumping this up, been looking close at the Kershaw launch 4 as my first auto, it's unusually small, but seems really pocket able and CA compliant is handy for the times I'm out there. I really like the blade profile and handle shape (probably my favorite style), and if Kershaw would make a larger version, in a 2.75-3" blade length, I'd be all over it, as it would be a good alternative to the Benchmade 3551 Stimulus that I've wanted for a long time, but can't seem to dish out the $$ for. Anyone have one of these mini's they can comment on?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180520/6d63eaa3eadcae0f2190a04a0c3ce34e.jpg


No Auto knife is CA compliant

[hurley842002]

No Auto knife is CA compliantStated in Penal Code 17235 and Penal Code 21510, California has strict laws regulating the sale and possession of switchblades.
Specifically, if a switchblade has a blade two inches or more in length, it is a crime to:

Possess the knife in the passenger's or driver's area of any motor vehicle in any public place or place open to the public,

Carry the switchblade upon your person, or

Sell, offer or expose for sale, or loan, transfer, or give the knife to anyone else.1


California law specifies 2" or more as the cut off, hence why the 1.9" Kershaw is legal for carry in CA.

[SideShow Bob]

No experience with the 4 but seriously considering the 5 or 7! Hope someone chimes in!


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I’ve got the Launch 6, so my comment won’t help....[gohome]

[MrPrena]

No experience with the 4 but seriously considering the 5 or 7! Hope someone chimes in!


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I got 5, so that I can carry. 3.5" < L . Also they are very ergonomic.
I think Launch 7 is longer.

[spongejosh]

I just got my Launch 4. It's replacing a Ken Onion Chive so size is just about the same but the handle is significantly thicker. The release button is very gritty feeling if you press it slowly but it feels like it's wearing in and getting smoother. This is my first auto so I can't say much for how it compares to others.

Pros:
I really like the small size.
It locks up tight with no play when open.
$69 and it feels like a quality knife.

Cons:
I wish it would have been sharper out of the box.
I wish it came with a "deep carry" clip so it would sit lower in my pocket.
Button is not smooth.

[hurley842002]

I just got my Launch 4. It's replacing a Ken Onion Chive so size is just about the same but the handle is significantly thicker. The release button is very gritty feeling if you press it slowly but it feels like it's wearing in and getting smoother. This is my first auto so I can't say much for how it compares to others.

Pros:
I really like the small size.
It locks up tight with no play when open.
$69 and it feels like a quality knife.

Cons:
I wish it would have been sharper out of the box.
I wish it came with a "deep carry" clip so it would sit lower in my pocket.
Button is not smooth.I still really want one of these, a good California friendly option for when we visit the in laws.

[hurley842002]

Fortunate to have my first auto be the the one I've wanted more than any other. Benchmade 3551.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180817/ffd2221b61fa3a5b755693386bdd81c6.jpg

[Irving]

Is it as great as you'd hoped so far?

[hurley842002]

This knife in particular is really great, but autos in general aren't as extravagant as the hype makes them out to be, still pretty cool tho.

[Irving]

I picked up a cheapy, Chinese, auto from another member and feel the same way. The "auto" part of the knife wears off quickly and I could certainly live without it. Still like it though.

[ray1970]

I tried a couple of auto knives but they just didn’t trip my trigger.

Gave one away and the other one is just sitting around.

I agree that the novelty wears off pretty quickly.

[hurley842002]

I'll keep and carry this knife, because I like THIS knife, but I could take or leave the auto idea.

[Jer]

Autos aren't that great? The ability to both deploy & retract with one hand is priceless.

[hurley842002]

Autos aren't that great? The ability to both deploy & retract with one hand is priceless.Maybe OTF Autos, but I'm finding my Benchmade takes more effort to close than most of the manual folders I've owned, especially when compared to Benchmades' axis lock.

Don't get me wrong, so far I'm really digging this auto, especially the authority at which the blade deploys, I just don't think there is much that an auto can do, that I can't also do with a manual.

[Irving]

Autos aren't that great? The ability to both deploy & retract with one hand is priceless.

Zero difference from most of my other knives with just a thumb stud. Not even a difference in speed. Not a humanly perceptible difference anyway.

[Jer]

Maybe OTF Autos, but I'm finding my Benchmade takes more effort to close than most of the manual folders I've owned, especially when compared to Benchmades' axis lock.

Don't get me wrong, so far I'm really digging this auto, especially the authority at which the blade deploys, I just don't think there is much that an auto can do, that I can't also do with a manual.

Double OTF autos are a game changer.


Zero difference from most of my other knives with just a thumb stud. Not even a difference in speed. Not a humanly perceptible difference anyway.

No way in hell can you put a liner or body lock thumb stud blade away as fast as I can retract a double OTF auto. Not even close. I've lost count of how many times that's been inexplicably handy.

[ray1970]

I've lost count of how many times that's been inexplicably handy.

You must be way more tacticool than me. While closing a folding knife with one hand comes in handy I’ve never found myself in a situation where the speed with which the blade was closed was that big of a deal.

[StagLefty]

I find that my DA OTF is a great one handed operation and I use it all the time. I guess I'm just tacti-old [ROFL2]

[hurley842002]

You must be way more tacticool than me. While closing a folding knife with one hand comes in handy I’ve never found myself in a situation where the speed with which the blade was closed was that big of a deal.LOL, I'm patiently waiting for the after action report on the "Tactical knife closing concepts, for the OTF operator" course.

[StagLefty]

I'm opening and closing mine while I'm typing just because I can [Beer]

[Irving]

What does OTF stand for?

[elsilrac1]

Out the Front

[Irving]

Thanks, that's definitely not the type of knife I have.

[Jer]

You must be way more tacticool than me. While closing a folding knife with one hand comes in handy I’ve never found myself in a situation where the speed with which the blade was closed was that big of a deal.

It's just easier and faster to pull a button and have the blade retract in an instant and be on with your day w/o having to do anything else. I just don't see how someone could fold a traditional style folding knife faster is all.

The more important aspect isn't necessarily speed so much as convenience though. The ability to deploy and retract single-handed is ridiculously handy... pun intended. It's one of those things that you don't see the need for until you have it and use it for a while. You start to realize how handy it is to not drop whatever you're doing to fold your knife back up safely with two hands. With auto OTF you push a button, cut whatever needs cut then pull the button back and you're done. All with one hand and all as fast as you can push a button. I have a boat load of auto knives that aren't double and even more that aren't auto at all and I find that I never carry them anymore because when I do I inevitably find myself having to drop what I'm doing to fold the knife back up and it is feels clunky and antiquated.

I liken it to shooting a cap and ball gun compared to shooting an automatic. Sure, you can but.... why?

[elsilrac1]

I have used many OTF autos before moving to Denver. My experience with the double actions is they are more fragile than I desire. I carried the Benchmade Infidel when they first came out and I kept having to reset the blade with any use. I shifted to several Microtechs and had similar experience. I will say the single action Microtech Halo V is rock solid, but you have to manually retract the blade when you are done. Just my two cents on OTF autos.

[hurley842002]

I have used many OTF autos before moving to Denver. My experience with the double actions is they are more fragile than I desire. I carried the Benchmade Infidel when they first came out and I kept having to reset the blade with any use. I shifted to several Microtechs and had similar experience. I will say the single action Microtech Halo V is rock solid, but you have to manually retract the blade when you are done. Just my two cents on OTF autos.I've played with a few double and single action OTF Auto's, and while I can certainly understand the convenience Jer is talking about, I don't have much desire to dabble in OTF autos.

[Jer]

I have used many OTF autos before moving to Denver. My experience with the double actions is they are more fragile than I desire. I carried the Benchmade Infidel when they first came out and I kept having to reset the blade with any use. I shifted to several Microtechs and had similar experience. I will say the single action Microtech Halo V is rock solid, but you have to manually retract the blade when you are done. Just my two cents on OTF autos.

That's crazy because I've had several Infidels (standard, mini, anniversary, gold, etc.) and many Microtech (Ultratech, UTX85, etc.) and they've all been rock solid reliable for my use. I think I read some negative things about the Infidels from over 10 years ago but I think they cleared that up and even the one I had from those first batches gave me zero problems. They had some issues with some Infidels that were produced last year and that put a halt to production for several months that delayed the #'d 10th Anniversary Edition I ordered until this year but other than that I don't think I've heard an alarming number of issues from either. Nothing I wouldn't consider acceptable for production #'s anyway. Probably hard to say if you're one of the few that has issues I guess though. Just my anecdotal experience to add as data points.

I think that one of my favorite EDC knives is still a cheap-o Kershaw Ken Onion Tanto blade Blur but I don't even carry that anymore just because the putting away aspect has become a chore now that I'm use to DA OTF. The Halo is even super annoying due to the "cocking" aspect after each use. I just want to push a button, open a box and push a button and return to pocket. No drama or fanfare and I've definitely drank the DA OTF koolaid. lulz

[elsilrac1]

Might have to try another Infidel then. Mine was a first production run. Thanks for the info. Been a knife guy for a long time and still go in and out of the hobby.

[Jer]

Might have to try another Infidel then. Mine was a first production run. Thanks for the info. Been a knife guy for a long time and still go in and out of the hobby.

My experience has been pretty solid other than having to wait nearly a year for that Anniversary Infidel but once I found out why I was willing to wait. No issues with the handful or so Infidels I've personally owned. I don't go out of my to try to break my knives or abuse them though so not sure how typical my use is. I'm carrying a Microtech Ultratech currently because it disappears in my pocket as compared to the Infidel. The mini-Infidel is a real good size as well. They also have a Pagan model which I have limited first-hand experience with as I haven't owned one.

If you're on a budget I'd say to also check out the Precipice. I have a buddy who got one last year from GOVX or one of those first responder sites pretty cheap and he's had really good luck with it as well. It fires from the side like a Microtech and he's liked his. It's more of an entry-level version though so if you're looking for the most reliable, not sure how that one will stack up long-term. It's still a multi-hundred dollar knife though so I would imagine it's going to be hold up. I just don't have any long-term intel on that particular model to offer up.

[izzy]

I have to say I really like the one handed operation of my knife. Didn't know the terms before reading this but I guess I have a Double Action OTF. It's not super tactical but I'd say 70%ish of the times I'm using my knife it's to open a package or breaking down the boxes later. I really like that I can be holding a box with one hand, deploy the blade with the other and cut, retract the blade, all without putting things down. That was the worst sentence ever but I don't care either so take that!

[elsilrac1]

Good conversation about OTF Autos - I will concede breaking down boxes is a joy with any of the double actions I have owned. My first run infidel on launch hit cardboard and was knocked out of its channel and had to be reset. I find myself not trusting them for anything other than cutting tape etc. I have carried the single action OTF and they are heavy duty tools. I love the function and feel of the OTF and look forward to trying them out again. For now I lean to a solid Benchmade Mini Rukus Auto that I value and a few other Protechs I can enjoy now that the law is on our side.

[brutal]

I want a nice OTF, like a Microtech, I really do.

That said, I can deploy offhand, my cheapo SOG Flash II, and close the blade one handed offhand as well.

I have a couple Gerber 06 autos. Nice chunky auto that can take a beating, but sucks for left hand deploy, and technically they're bigger than CO law allows.

[MrPrena]

Many good opinion.
Buy em all and carry em all. As for me, I will eventually save $$ by eliminating time to look for box cutter/scissors. I literally have about 300-400sq-ft of spaces dedicated to boxes at home.

My primary usage of EDC Knife is basically box cutting/Opening boxes. As I said before, carrying a EDC back of my pocket really really saves me time by not spending 30sec +/- to look for scissors or box cutters.

As for cheap box cutting (glorified box cutter) Kershaw Ken Onion collabration knives works great. Even those $18 kershaw zing works for me. Someone recommended Spyderco for box cuttingm, but I just cannot open my arms to Spyderco knives yet.

As for quick usage or normal outing, I would sometimes carry OTFs. It is just faster in-use-out.

[Jer]

Many good opinion.
Buy em all and carry em all. As for me, I will eventually save $$ by eliminating time to look for box cutter/scissors. I literally have about 300-400sq-ft of spaces dedicated to boxes at home.

My primary usage of EDC Knife is basically box cutting/Opening boxes. As I said before, carrying a EDC back of my pocket really really saves me time by not spending 30sec +/- to look for scissors or box cutters.

As for cheap box cutting (glorified box cutter) Kershaw Ken Onion collabration knives works great. Even those $18 kershaw zing works for me. Someone recommended Spyderco for box cuttingm, but I just cannot open my arms to Spyderco knives yet.

As for quick usage or normal outing, I would sometimes carry OTFs. It is just faster in-use-out.

Bruh! They're practically your neighbor!

[Jer]

I want a nice OTF, like a Microtech, I really do.

That said, I can deploy offhand, my cheapo SOG Flash II, and close the blade one handed offhand as well.

I have a couple Gerber 06 autos. Nice chunky auto that can take a beating, but sucks for left hand deploy, and technically they're bigger than CO law allows.

I'm not saying that nobody can do it but it's just quicker/easier. "click" use "click" all w/o changing hand position or adjusting anything. It's really that fast. Much like I can walk outside and manually open each of my sprinkler zones by hand but I'd much prefer clicking a button on my smartphone and having them magically run all by themselves after one click. Does that make me lazy? You bet! And I love it. lol

[Jer]

I just realized that there are far too few photos so here's what I'm carrying today:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Mq5IcP9admVw2kt-ZyZcxv8wa-1NHZ-DUV0c1AlcE3ALtdUd8XN6fASvSpy-XNN96VnzPxP2LDBlpICCdqRF4HPRcbIn7MANQ7KZF3wDjA1_s6 0gY2L5STf1PPQmlOy3uqNbSsnU7xI=w2400

Fresh back from Microtech for service is a desert camo Ultratech which has served me well. One of my favorite EDC knives due to it's size, ruggedness, the fact it doesn't look shiny and new so I can use it w/o feeling like a dick for munging it up. Unlike my full size Infidel for instance it seems to disappear in the pocket due to it's weight and size plus how smooth the inside of the handle is so I don't feel any sharp edges against my leg reminding me there's a knife there.

[brutal]

Went to the dark side and picked up an Infidel today.

Browsing at DangerLee while doing paperwork is dangerous.

Technically over Colorado's 3.5", but DADT and just like CCW, don't play with your junk in public right?

[hurley842002]

Went to the dark side and picked up an Infidel today.

Browsing at DangerLee while doing paperwork is dangerous.

Technically over Colorado's 3.5", but DADT and just like CCW, don't play with your junk in public right?Pics with your nasty ass feet, or it didn't happen....

ETA: Just saw a pic in the latest purchase thread, but I'll leave this post anyway.

[MrPrena]

Whats up with those Ravencrest and other OTF knives?
Any experiences?

[StagLefty]

Whats up with those Ravencrest and other OTF knives?
Any experiences?

Go back in this thread and see where I bought a Ravencrest OTF. Page 7 Still happy with my decision.

[MrPrena]

I try to pry out the stuck thermostat with the screw driver and did not work. So, i tried to but the rubber gasket part of the stuck thermostat with the knife. The result was tip of Boker Kashinikov knife broken off. Time to shop cheap carry auto.

[Jer]

I try to pry out the stuck thermostat with the screw driver and did not work. So, i tried to but the rubber gasket part of the stuck thermostat with the knife. The result was tip of Boker Kashinikov knife broken off. Time to shop cheap carry auto.

Or spend a little more for a not-cheap auto and not have to replace them every time they break. Not saying a knife made out of better steal would have survived but it would have. ;-)

[izzy]

I have a pretty nice knife and the warrantee is void if I try to pry or screw anything with it.

[mb504]

I try to pry out the stuck thermostat with the screw driver and did not work. So, i tried to but the rubber gasket part of the stuck thermostat with the knife. The result was tip of Boker Kashinikov knife broken off. Time to shop cheap carry auto.

How about an bali-song auto multi-tool knife?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6Ka65Nt54

https://www.bladehq.com/item--Artisan-Cutlery-Kinetic-Tool--94498

https://www.perryknifeworks.com/artisan-cutlery-kinetic-tool-butterfly-style-black-4-stonewash-1823p-bkc/

https://www.knifecenter.com/item/ACU1823PCF/artisancutlery-kinetic-tool-auto-butterfly-multi-tool-4-440c-stainless-steel-unsharpened-blade-carbon-fiber-handles

https://www.smkw.com/artisan-knife-kinetic-tool-grey-steel-atz1823pgy

[MrPrena]

How about an bali-song auto multi-tool knife?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6Ka65Nt54

https://www.bladehq.com/item--Artisan-Cutlery-Kinetic-Tool--94498

https://www.perryknifeworks.com/artisan-cutlery-kinetic-tool-butterfly-style-black-4-stonewash-1823p-bkc/

https://www.knifecenter.com/item/ACU1823PCF/artisancutlery-kinetic-tool-auto-butterfly-multi-tool-4-440c-stainless-steel-unsharpened-blade-carbon-fiber-handles

https://www.smkw.com/artisan-knife-kinetic-tool-grey-steel-atz1823pgy

Thanks for recommendation. Didn't even knew some of those existed.


Or spend a little more for a not-cheap auto and not have to replace them every time they break. Not saying a knife made out of better steal would have survived but it would have. ;-)

One of the guy I know who is into spyderco gave me the same advice.



Conclusion: decide to go cheap again and went with ravencrest for otf and start using my kershaw launch 5.

On my desk, I also have a cheap $13-14 kershaw zing (blackfriday+10 coupon for 2) as a box cutting backup.

[TFOGGER]

I got one of those BeastBlade cheapies from the gunshow. Seems like an ok knife, nothing special, but better than I expected for 60 bucks...


https://www.beastblade.com/

[Jer]

Thanks for recommendation. Didn't even knew some of those existed.



One of the guy I know who is into spyderco gave me the same advice.



Conclusion: decide to go cheap again and went with ravencrest for otf and start using my kershaw launch 5.

On my desk, I also have a cheap $13-14 kershaw zing (blackfriday+10 coupon for 2) as a box cutting backup.

You certainly can replace a cheap knife many times for the cost of a good knife so I can't fault you for that. Some of it is prestige too if I'm being honest. Used to be I'd invest in a nice Tag to wear but now that Smartwatches are much more functional I have a hard time spending that kind of money on something that "feels" nice, ya know? That role has kind of been taken over by knives for me. I justify it by how well they work, how long they last and the warranty associated with them but you can buy and throw away a lot of crappy knives so it's not all about quality differences.

[MrPrena]

After seeing the BladeHQ video on Boker AK auto knife, I thought my tippless knife can be salvageable. So, I did some grinding and sharpening to reshape the tip (with the simple stone). It came out okay. It still needs more work done to be on a level to cut the boxes smoothly, but it does open box very easily. I will post where it is at now, and final sharping.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D1fei1Ve0s

[Jenks]

My EDC was a SpyderCo until the law went into effect, now it’s Microtech for sure, amazing auto knives.