CMP - Garands from the Philippines

[Seamonkey]

Looks like the CMP might be getting some Garands back from the Philippines as part of "Lend - Lease" programs.


http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/04/07/breaking-cmp-receive-86000-m1-garands-philippines/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/07/breaking-civilian-marksmanship-program-receive-86000-m1-garand-rifles-philippines/

Speculation on the CMP forums as to the conditions they might be in. It will be nice to replenish the CMP's supplies to keep them going.

[wctriumph]

Everyone should own a Garand M1.

[thedave1164]

From my experience with the Philippine forces, they will be in good mechanical shape, very little to no rust, little parkerizing left, and the stocks will be fair to poor.

Best guess would be, needs a stock and refinish

[paddywagon]

Everyone should own a Garand M1.

Or 8 or 10!!

[Musashi]

Gotta start somewhere - time to get #2
I hope this does go through as anyone who has shot mine always asks where they can get one...

[Shooter45]

I can't wait to see what else this opens up from so many others trying to send surplus rifles back to the US and not being allowed. Be nice for CMP to get stocked back up and have a variety again at good prices. Last Service grade M1 I got in 2012 was in LNIB condition.

[BigBear]

You have to be a member of CMP to partake yes?

One of these days I'll get on that. This is good for all though!

[Shooter45]

A member of CMP ranges or a veteran. Plenty of places to join for cheap and get a rifle shipped to your door.

[Seamonkey]

Link to the eligibility page

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/

[wctriumph]

Join the Garand Collectors Association. Totally worthwhile if are or are contemplating becoming a Garand owner.

[waffles]

GCA is the way to go for their requirements. I love my Garand, and I hope these new CMP arrivals are in decent enough shape.

http://i.imgur.com/Dv71oJC.jpg

[rondog]

Looks like I need to join GCA.....

[Shooter45]

Depending on condition and price, I definitely plan on getting another. Amazing rifle and history; plus nothing like shooting one.

[wctriumph]

I would also assume that with the return of all of those rifles that we will also see at least as many bayonets and millions of rounds of surplus .30-06 in bandoleers and perhaps even on 200 round links. Yeehaaa!!!!

[wctriumph]

Good article in the latest GCA journal on the Philippine Garands.

[APEXgunparts]

I would also assume that with the return of all of those rifles that we will also see at least as many bayonets and millions of rounds of surplus .30-06 in bandoleers and perhaps even on 200 round links. Yeehaaa!!!!

When I was a contractor supporting the Army I used to strongly suggest to the Soldiers that they buy M1 rifles from the CMP.
Being on active duty means you are qualified for the purchase.

I would not hold your breath waiting for surplus 30-06 from the Phillipines.
The recent pictures of their Soldiers patrolling with the guns showed they have no cartridge belts or any way of carrying ammo.
The US importers already bought up and brought in 30-06 years back.
There were already lots of M1's that came out of the that country and were sold here.

Richard

[wctriumph]

The latest article in the GCA journal discusses how Century and another importer were bidding on the Philippine surplus, Century won the contract but Obama issued an executive order that quashed the purchase so all of those rifles stayed in the Philippines. Now the lend lease rifles are being reacquired by the Army and will be brought into the country with M1 carbines and 1911A1 pistols to be sold off through the CMP.

We will have to wait and see about the ammo situation but I will stay optimistic that there will be supplies of surplus .30-06 comming back to the USA. I still have some that I bought some 20+ years ago, still goes bang.

[APEXgunparts]

The latest article in the GCA journal discusses how Century and another importer were bidding on the Philippine surplus, Century won the contract but Obama issued an executive order that quashed the purchase so all of those rifles stayed in the Philippines. Now the lend lease rifles are being reacquired by the Army and will be brought into the country with M1 carbines and 1911A1 pistols to be sold off through the CMP.

We will have to wait and see about the ammo situation but I will stay optimistic that there will be supplies of surplus .30-06 comming back to the USA. I still have some that I bought some 20+ years ago, still goes bang.


The article you refer to is actually the South Korean M1 rifles.
Years ago the US State Department vetted the bidders to ensure that the South Korean military would receive the funds they needed to procure replacement weapons for their DAEWOO K1's.
Century was the high bidder, paying over $550 per rifle.
The US State department and ATF approved the import, and an act of the US Congress finalized everything.
Bottom line is that the guns were the property of the South Korean military, and theirs to sell.
Century Arms paid for the entire shipment and then oriented the company and manpower to handle them for sale to US shooters.
As they were preparing them for shipment, then President Obama sent an executive action to the US State Department effectively BANNING the import of ALL US origin surplus.
The same signature also gave the CMP (a US Gov't chartered non-profit corporation) the monopoly on any / all US surplus rifles.
Now, at the time the CMP director (Orest Michaels) repeatedly stated that CMP wanted nothing to do with the South Korean M1's due to the poor condition.
However, the recent GCA article makes a completely opposite statement concerning the condition of these guns! (and lines up with what my contacts at Century had told me years ago when they examined the guns)
The GCA article also now seems to infer that the determination of ownership of the M1's has somehow changed, and that these are actually US property and can now be transferred to CMP.
Bottom line is that the US Gov't for whatever reason has stopped the sale to a private firm and steered the material to its own chartered corporation (who now has a monopoly on US surplus firearms)
OH, and the South Korean military STILL needs funds to buy new small arms, you can guess that we the American Taxpayer are going to foot that bill!

Richard

[wctriumph]

The article you refer to is actually the South Korean M1 rifles.
Years ago the US State Department vetted the bidders to ensure that the South Korean military would receive the funds they needed to procure replacement weapons for their DAEWOO K1's.
Century was the high bidder, paying over $550 per rifle.
The US State department and ATF approved the import, and an act of the US Congress finalized everything.
Bottom line is that the guns were the property of the South Korean military, and theirs to sell.
Century Arms paid for the entire shipment and then oriented the company and manpower to handle them for sale to US shooters.
As they were preparing them for shipment, then President Obama sent an executive action to the US State Department effectively BANNING the import of ALL US origin surplus.
The same signature also gave the CMP (a US Gov't chartered non-profit corporation) the monopoly on any / all US surplus rifles.
Now, at the time the CMP director (Orest Michaels) repeatedly stated that CMP wanted nothing to do with the South Korean M1's due to the poor condition.
However, the recent GCA article makes a completely opposite statement concerning the condition of these guns! (and lines up with what my contacts at Century had told me years ago when they examined the guns)
The GCA article also now seems to infer that the determination of ownership of the M1's has somehow changed, and that these are actually US property and can now be transferred to CMP.
Bottom line is that the US Gov't for whatever reason has stopped the sale to a private firm and steered the material to its own chartered corporation (who now has a monopoly on US surplus firearms)
OH, and the South Korean military STILL needs funds to buy new small arms, you can guess that we the American Taxpayer are going to foot that bill!

Richard

Yes, you are correct and I am in error, the article is about the S, Korean arms. I did not know the background of the purchase and shifting of responsibility, thanks for the new info on the issue.