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Since I know we have quite a few sport bike riders here, thought I would share this.
It seems Nicky Hayden was on a bicycle and was hit by a car and is in a medically induced coma.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/world-superbike-nicky-hayden-hospitalized-after-being-hit-by-a-car-while-riding-his-bicycle-in-san-marino/
Prayers for his recovery!
sellersm
05-17-2017, 16:41
Oh my, prayers for healing!
Ouch. Was he wearing a helmet?
Ouch. Was he wearing a helmet?
More than likely.A lot of the SBK/GP/AMA riders do cross-training on bicycle and wear the full gear.
I was a huge fan of Hayden "The Kentucky Kid" when he was in MotoGP. He's a damn good rider. I hope he makes a full recovery.
kidicarus13
05-18-2017, 19:43
Wow. Race big boy motorcycles for a living but end up near death from riding a bicycle. Prayers for the Kentucky Kid.
Looks like he died from injuries sustained
http://reports-tv.com/ex-motogp-champion-nicky-hayden-is-dead-breaking-news/
Looks like he died from injuries sustained
http://reports-tv.com/ex-motogp-champion-nicky-hayden-is-dead-breaking-news/
Fake news (thankfully)
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/nicky-hayden-earl-hayden-decries-fake-news/
Shit. Thanks for the check Jer, it was the first post I saw on FB.
Saw a story on this again this morning- it appears he's medically "brain dead." I can find the story and post it later tonight if anyone is interested. He's being treated at a hospital in Italy and his family is already there.
Sad. Prayers for him and his family. I saw a motorcycle accident the other day on eastbound I-70. DFD was conducting CPR on him in the #2 lane as I rode by on my bike. Felt bad for the guy. I later found out he passed away.
Warmer weather is upon us. Gotta really watch out for those of that ride. When I'm out on the bike I always ride for those idiots around me in cars. Bright yellow Yamaha T-Max and they still don't see me. Saw a guy come over on a guy on a Harley about a week ago. Fortunately the guy on the Harley was on his A game and saw the guy coming over. I believe words were dished out to the driver of the car at the traffic light. Rightfully so.
I've had people drift out of their lane toward me in my Tahoe. People are too busy playing with their electronics to be bothered by anything/anyone on the road.
Former MotoGP champion Hayden remains in critical condition (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/former-motogp-champion-hayden-remains-in-critical-condition/ar-BBBlYoJ)
Died earlier today. Shame.
It is crazy to see Nicky and Michael Schumacker have a successful career and go relatively unscathed and then have such unfortunate accidents off the track. Very sad.
theGinsue
05-22-2017, 18:53
I find it unfortunate that this man lost his life as I believe all life is precious. That said, I'm about to say something that's going to be VERY unpopular with many of you but I feel it needs saying.
I have said this before and will say ot again; roadways are built for motorized traffic. If one chooses to ride a bicycle on a road where motorized traffic WILL exist, they need to follow all of the same rules of the road as the motorized vehicles and either keep up or stay out of the way. Bicyclists put not only themselves at risk but drivers/passengers of motorized vehicles as well. Thing is, the cyclist will always lose in a bicycle versus automobile collision. For cyclist safety and my safety I'd prefer it if bikes weren't allowed on roadways.
Just my personal opinion.
It is crazy to see Nicky and Michael Schumacker have a successful career and go relatively unscathed and then have such unfortunate accidents off the track. Very sad.
I haven't heard much on Schumacher lately. I assumed he is brain dead. Being in a coma this long can't be good. Huge fan, bumped into him in steamboat after he retired from ferrari. Shook his hand and said I was a fan, but didn't want to cause a scene to draw attention to him on his vacation. Cool guy for the few minutes I talked to him. Not sure anyone else in line knew who he was.
I find it unfortunate that this man lost his life as I believe all life is precious. That said, I'm about to say something that's going to be VERY unpopular with many of you but I feel it needs saying.
I have said this before and will say ot again; roadways are built for motorized traffic. If one chooses to ride a bicycle on a road where motorized traffic WILL exist, they need to follow all of the same rules of the road as the motorized vehicles and either keep up or stay out of the way. Bicyclists put not only themselves at risk but drivers/passengers of motorized vehicles as well. Thing is, the cyclist will always lose in a bicycle versus automobile collision. For cyclist safety and my safety I'd prefer it if bikes weren't allowed on roadways.
Just my personal opinion.
Do you know that this accident was a result of his not following traffic laws?
Do you know that this accident was a result of his not following traffic laws?
That seems to be the report of the Italian authorities.
Italian newspapers reported on Monday that investigators had found video of the accident from a camera on a house overlooking the road. They said the images suggested Hayden had failed to stop at an intersection and was hit full on by the passing car
https://www.google.com/amp/www.autoblog.com/amp/2017/05/22/motogp-champ-nicky-hayden-dies-after-cycling-accident-italian-m/
(https://www.google.com/amp/www.autoblog.com/amp/2017/05/22/motogp-champ-nicky-hayden-dies-after-cycling-accident-italian-m/)
ETA:
Given the sensitivities of the biking crowd here, I feel I should add that I do not perceive his apparent lack of care for traffic as an asterisk which excuses at least an objective sadness for his death. All of us, in some form or another, have cheated death despite our own stupidity -- be it willful or ignorant. At the end of the day, his family and friends now experience the real loss of someone for whom they cared, and that in itself is sad.
Thanks for the update. I didn't read that when the thread first began; it may not have been out yet.
Regardless, accidents are caused by people not following traffic laws. It has absolutely nothing to do with what people think roads were created for.
SSChameleon
05-23-2017, 10:16
It is a tragedy when someone dies. It's even more shocking when they die doing something they love. The juxtaposition of a person doing something they enjoy and being blindsided by tragedy is difficult on those who love and respect the victim. What's more difficult is to not let that pain and anger cloud our judgement. To say this is bad and all cyclists should be banned from the road for the safety of all is a slippery slope. What other things should be banned for the safety of all? What other laws should we enact because we don't act for our own self preservation?
When a cyclist gets on the road, they are assuming the risk. The biggest one is if the cyclist makes a mistake, they don't have a steel cage around them and it's going to be costly. This sucks for Nicky's family and friends. I can think of a lot worse ways to go out. Sitting on the couch watching Nicky Hayden race while I slowly die of heart disease, IMHO, would be worse than going out with my boots on during a training ride.
I can't really go against the idea of bicyclists sharing the road. Do you then make the same judgment about motorcyclists? Yes, the risks are huge and physics put the cyclists at a distinct disadvantage.
Trying to mandate when a vehicle is "too large" and "more dangerous" also turns into when one is "too small" and "less safe". It's a slippery slope.
We all go through life facing risks. If you're comfortable with your choices, then you may live or die by the risks and consequences of those choices. Hopefully you live a long life and die of old age. Ain't nobody making it out alive.
ColoradoTJ
05-23-2017, 20:30
The way people drive in CO and have a "love" for bicycles, I personally would never be out on the roads with one.
TheBelly
05-23-2017, 20:39
I find it unfortunate that this man lost his life as I believe all life is precious. That said, I'm about to say something that's going to be VERY unpopular with many of you but I feel it needs saying.
I have said this before and will say ot again; roadways are built for motorized traffic. If one chooses to ride a bicycle on a road where motorized traffic WILL exist, they need to follow all of the same rules of the road as the motorized vehicles and either keep up or stay out of the way. Bicyclists put not only themselves at risk but drivers/passengers of motorized vehicles as well. Thing is, the cyclist will always lose in a bicycle versus automobile collision. For cyclist safety and my safety I'd prefer it if bikes weren't allowed on roadways.
Just my personal opinion.
Why don't motorists also follow the rules of the road, ie. minimum passing buffer distances, etc. Those are laws, too.
theGinsue
05-23-2017, 21:06
Motorcycles are motorized vehicles that can keep up with the flow of traffic. They are required to possess lights and safety equipment only found in limited cases and limited amounts of bicycles. They are licensed and registered whereas those fees go to help build and maintain the roads they travel on. Riders of motorcycles must have an operators license with an endorsement for the type of vehicle they're operating. None of this is the case with bicycles/cyclists. In fact, the ticketing of cyclists for violating traffic laws they're required to obey is especially rare. (Any of our sites LEO's want to disagree with this?).
I'll agree that there are many cyclists to recognize their responsibilities while operating on the road and who see it as their duty to not nly protect themselves but to avoid causing unsafe conditions by their actions for motorists. Sadly, the bulk of cyclists I've encountered aren't among these wise road bike riders. I challenge any of you who are in the pro-bikes on the road to tell me you haben't seen plenty of this behavior yourselves.
Now, I'll also disagree with Irvings statement that "accidents are caused by people not following traffic laws". Sure, most of the time this is probably the case - but not always. Plenty of accidents are caused by lawful but careless actions and then there's also the consideration that some accidents are just, well, accidents where no one is at fault.
Was Nicky Hayden's death saddening? Of course it was, even for a non-fan. But the fact remains that it was avoidable and he is not only the agent of his own death due to his choice but he's forever altered the life of the driver of the vehicle he collided with.
theGinsue
05-23-2017, 21:11
Why don't motorists also follow the rules of the road, ie. minimum passing buffer distances, etc. Those are laws, too.
Good question. Drivers in CO (probably everywhere) are getting more and more careless and aggressive. I never said unsafe conditions on the roadways was only due to cyclists, only that they introduce an unnecessary risk, all for a hobby. I call it a hobby because it isn't an effecient mode of a tual transportation here. Most road cuclists are riding for fitness and enjoyment, not out of need.
The way people drive in CO and have a "love" for bicycles, I personally would never be out on the roads with one.
Certainly agree with this. If motorized vehicle drivers can't respect safe distances/behaviors to other motorized drivers, you know they'll have no greater respect for the safety of cyclists.
How about if we make bicycles used on public roads register them like any other vehicle? And, they can only travel on roads where they can maintain the posted speed limit.
None of this conversation is relevant so far. "Keeping up with traffic" has never been a requirement to traveling streets, nor will it be. City buses cause more disruption to traffic than bicycles do. Tractors don't keep up with traffic, don't have signals, and aren't registered for street use either. I can't even address comments of how valid a mode of transportation bicycles are because that is just an opinion.
Opinions are nice and all, but let's try and have a point of view that can be backed up and isn't laughable.
Let's imagine a world where bicycles are registered and have turn signals. Will the constant bitching and complaining about them stop, or will people change their minds about them being on the road? Not a chance.
Nicky Haden died as a result of not following traffic laws. He took a risk and paid the ultimate price. This is an important reminder for all of us since cutting corners is something that we all tend to do.
ColoradoTJ
05-23-2017, 22:45
Good question. Drivers in CO (probably everywhere) are getting more and more careless and aggressive. I never said unsafe conditions on the roadways was only due to cyclists, only that they introduce an unnecessary risk, all for a hobby. I call it a hobby because it isn't an effecient mode of a tual transportation here. Most road cuclists are riding for fitness and enjoyment, not out of need.
Certainly agree with this. If motorized vehicle drivers can't respect safe distances/behaviors to other motorized drivers, you know they'll have no greater respect for the safety of cyclists.
As a former mountain biker, I was going to start with the road bike "thing." When I was out looking at bikes in fact, one of my buddies got bumped off the road, crashed hard, required surgery and the person just drove off. That pretty much ended my road bike tour in life.
Same reason I also sold all my street motorcycles as well. I was rear ended and came out ok. I called it quits.
TheBelly
05-23-2017, 22:58
Motorcycles are motorized vehicles that can keep up with the flow of traffic. They are required to possess lights and safety equipment only found in limited cases and limited amounts of bicycles. They are licensed and registered whereas those fees go to help build and maintain the roads they travel on. Riders of motorcycles must have an operators license with an endorsement for the type of vehicle they're operating. None of this is the case with bicycles/cyclists. In fact, the ticketing of cyclists for violating traffic laws they're required to obey is especially rare. (Any of our sites LEO's want to disagree with this?).
The big reason that cyclists aren't required to register/license/pay taxes/etc. is because it is very rare that they are used for commercial transportation of goods. Bicycles also don't cause a significant amount of damage to the roadway (maximum load capacity per axle).
All that said, turds that don't stop at stop signs, give right of way, distracted operation, etc. need to be lined up a donkey-kicked in the face. That is regardless of whether it's a human-powered or internal combustion-powered conveyance.
The big reason that cyclists aren't required to register/license/pay taxes/etc. is because it is very rare that they are used for commercial transportation of goods. Bicycles also don't cause a significant amount of damage to the roadway (maximum load capacity per axle).
By that logic I probably shouldn't have to put plates on my motorcycle. Motorcycles are rarely used to transport commercial goods and I doubt it does much damage to the roads.
TheBelly
05-23-2017, 23:09
By that logic I probably shouldn't have to put plates on my motorcycle. Motorcycles are rarely used to transport commercial goods and I doubt it does much damage to the roads.
MLC of about 10x that of a cyclist.
MLC of about 10x that of a cyclist.
And about 1/10th of a typical pickup.
wctriumph
05-24-2017, 19:48
Nicky. RIP and God speed.
By that logic I probably shouldn't have to put plates on my motorcycle. Motorcycles are rarely used to transport commercial goods and I doubt it does much damage to the roads.How about requiring the same level of pollution emissions for a motorcycle that cars are required to meet?
How about requiring the same level of pollution emissions for a motorcycle that cars are required to meet?
My bike already meets California emissions standards.
Well, it did before I may or may not have removed the catalytic converter.
My bike already meets California emissions standards.
Well, it did before I may or may not have removed the catalytic converter.
Might as well start blasting through stop signs now, criminal.
RIP Nicky Haden.
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