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Pretty sure I just had a few 22's fly over the house and land at Buckley. I've never seen one before and the wife is scared at how much I geeked out. Only caught a glimpse and couldn't get my camera out.
Cool planes. Love the 'super cruise' on those.
I don't know what an F22 is, but I saw a jet blast north from Buckley yesterday. It didn't make it very far and suddenly something that looked like smoke poured out of the back end and he immediately turned around and landed back at Buckley. I think he had bad things happen to the turbine or something.
Watched 4 F15's take off the other day while I was at our storage unit on Lincoln.
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I don't know what an F22 is, but I saw a jet blast north from Buckley yesterday. It didn't make it very far and suddenly something that looked like smoke poured out of the back end and he immediately turned around and landed back at Buckley. I think he had bad things happen to the turbine or something.
Here's an F22https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170603/aacc8bef7611232ec844eb545498c21c.jpg
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vs. F-15
http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/defense/f-15_strike_eagle/images/f15_hero_new_1280x720.jpg
Yup, and they've been there before.
Here's an F22https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170603/aacc8bef7611232ec844eb545498c21c.jpg
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I still maintain the YF-23 was sexxier. Don't know how that translates in combat, but it was damn purty.
I was working on a undisclosed base in an undisclosed state, but the f-22s were stationed there and we got to watch them every single day doing flight maneuvers and getting hit with multiple sonic booms each day. After watching those planes in action (we got to watch them do live fire drills) and knowing that our military has even more badass shit, it makes me wonder why anyone would ever even consider going up against us.
Aloha_Shooter
06-03-2017, 08:12
IAfter watching those planes in action (we got to watch them do live fire drills) and knowing that our military has even more badass shit, it makes me wonder why anyone would ever even consider going up against us.
They usually decide to do that because they believe we're a paper tiger without the will to use that badass shit. If you were a foreign adversary and your impression of America's national will was formed by watching Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama, would you be worried? Clinton surprised Milosevic by being willing to take on a major action but Milosevic didn't realize Clinton was looking for an opportunity to stomp on a third-rate country so he could show he had a spine (he also needed to drive various scandals off the news). Just to be bipartisan, Saddam Hussein didn't think George H.W. Bush had the political power or national will to block his attempt to take over Kuwait. It's been ironic watching the Dems go after Trump over Russia given how Obama has been Putin's bitch for the past 8 years and was even caught on hot mike implying as much.
OldFogey
06-03-2017, 09:15
F-22, F-15 ... BOTH are sexy beasts...
F-22, F-15 ... BOTH are sexy beasts...
...and then there's the F-35. [facepalm] The F-16 at a fraction of the cost can kick its ass.
ChunkyMonkey
06-03-2017, 11:08
...and then there's the F-35. [facepalm] The F-16 at a fraction of the cost can kick its ass.
Not true. That was from an initial test where F35 software test. It was deemed too automated by its pilots and badly out manuvered by the gen 4 fighters. Since then, they have adjusted and are improving. Exercise after exercise, F35 beat all and against the similar odds as F22 was put against. The average kill ratio during this year exercises have been 15 to 1 and the latest redflag where F35 was combined w/ F22 against a crazy stack of F15 and F16, it was 17 to 1.
The IDF is drooling for more F35 - after the much rumored successful operation against the S300 and element of S400 in Syria.
That's good to hear that we're seeing some improvement. Hopefully the computer up-time has become more stable. Lord knows we've thrown enough money at it. When you have so few of the Gen 5s, even 1 loss stings. At least the US and Israel has some of the best pilots in the air.
I would imagine the IDF wants the stealth capability more than anything.
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2017, 11:32
They have glide bombs they can launch 35 miles from the target. The new generation weapons have capability they only dreamed about in the 1970's.
...like the GBU-39 and GBU-53? Pretty cool stuff when you can discretely target in populous areas.
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2017, 13:03
There are components in the systems that will temporarily disable the electronics during an EMP event. I was an ECM tech on the F-111E. They are super fast reacting and basically create an open circuit. Then they super fast recover. I never had seen those components fail. The high power output components failed all the time. We had weapons payloads that stood on alert. And those weapons would definitely create an EMP. All the aircraft designs were tested for EMP. They have to be to deliver the weapon.
Gleaned from an old OSD publication...
"B.12.3 EMP Protection
Electronic equipment can be EMP-hardened. The primary objective of EMP hardening is to reduce the electrical pulse entering a system or piece of equipment to a level that will not cause component burnout or operational upset. It is always cheaper and more effective to design the EMP protection into the system during design development. Potential hardening techniques include using certain materials as radio frequency shielding filters, using internal enclosed protective “cages” around essential electronic components, using enhanced electrical grounding, shielded cables, keeping the equipment in closed protective cases, or keeping the equipment in an EMP-protected room or facility. Normally, the hardening that permits equipment to operate in intense radar fields (e.g., helicopters that operate in front of a ship’s radars) also provides a significant degree of EMP protection."
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2017, 15:35
Believe it or not, there are less components on the F-35 than previous generations. But those components are way way more complex and even order their own repairs and parts to the ground crew. What freaks me out is that the helmet is a complex part of the avionics suite and costs more than my house. And my truck. And the land...
Anyways, way less LRU's to deal with. Too new to talk about reliability.
https://www.harris.com/sites/default/files/downloads/solutions/f-35-lightning-avionics.pdf
ChunkyMonkey
06-03-2017, 16:26
I read somewhere that the AESA is the most vulnerable part when it comes to EMP attack. Don't our EA18 has a mini directional EMP sort of weapon. I wonder if they ever tried it on the gen 5 platforms.
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2017, 16:58
The biggest concern with EMP is unshielded conductors i.e. long strands of unshielded wire. I think the hardest part of maintaining the new generation fighters is the lines of code involved. The are huge programs compared to the past. It is going to take a software engineer to fix the plane!
The space shuttle had 400,000 lines of code. The F-35 has over 24 million lines of code. Link belows shows program size.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/17/23/3756D38A00000578-3745793-image-a-1_1471471346475.jpg
Me and foxtrot have the same mindset when it comes to an all out war. The Air Force could learn a lesson from NASA. They didn't use the latest cutting edge processors. They used hardened equipment and just enough code to get the job done without making the system overly complex. Thin to win, baby.
I also believe the fewer numbers of gee-whiz-bang outrageously priced aircraft will lead to a pilot shortage in the not too distant future.
I hadn't heard about the AESA radar being sensitive to EMP. With the AESA being added to the F-16V, I have to wonder about that decision.
A flight of 3 "somethings" louder and much faster than the usual is overhead COS just now. Much more noticeable than the ordinary, and I really pay attention.
BushMasterBoy
06-03-2017, 18:16
Just saw 8 "F-18 Hornets" fly by 30 minutes ago. Heading north.
From our huge naval presence here in Colorado.
Maybe they can fly in some fresh seafood. [Coffee]
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