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Once again, the left shows it's stripes. Wacko opens fire on Republican baseball practice.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/shooting-virginia-congress/2017/06/14/id/795929/
The left believes in "the ends justify the means", a doctrine that is completely opposite the right. This is one of the reasons the left is so quick to violence.
Bailey Guns
06-14-2017, 07:17
Republican Rep Steve Scalise and several others shot at baseball practice. Not many details. At least two Capital Police Officers shot. Shooter in custody. Sounds like he had a semi-auto rifle.
According to another representative a man asked them as they were leaving the practice early who was on the field, "republicans or democrats?"
I'm starting to agree with Newt Gingrich...maybe we're already at the start of a cultural civil war.
hollohas
06-14-2017, 07:30
The media is busy creating the narrative.
Despite the police literally saying nothing in the press conference, the radio (ABC News via KOA) this morning said "white male shooter with a rifle" and "female Capital Security officer who was shot in the leg chased down a tackled the shooter."
It does sound like the Republicans were targeted specifically.
BPTactical
06-14-2017, 07:33
News flash: We have been in an ideological Civil war for a long time.
More proof liberals can't be trusted with guns I guess.
Glad no one was killed. With the shooter in custody maybe we can find out the motives. $1 says he's a leftist terrorist/antifa/progressive.
babarsac
06-14-2017, 07:41
Damm my wife and I used to live one mile from there. We even used to work out there.
News flash: We have been in an ideological Civil war for a long time.
Yup!!
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Republican Rep Steve Scalise and several others shot at baseball practice. Not many details. At least two Capital Police Officers shot. Shooter in custody. Sounds like he had a semi-auto rifle.
According to another representative a man asked them as they were leaving the practice early who was on the field, "republicans or democrats?"
I'm starting to agree with Newt Gingrich...maybe we're already at the start of a cultural civil war.
I agree with that last part as well. Perhaps this is the spark needed to turn it from a cold one to a hot one? Not that I want that but it happens from time to time.
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funkymonkey1111
06-14-2017, 08:25
just heard some hack on CBS worrying about where the shooter bought his guns. what possible difference could that make?
just heard some hack on CBS worrying about where the shooter bought his guns. what possible difference could that make?
That's the liberal left for Ya.
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Scanker19
06-14-2017, 08:32
just heard some hack on CBS worrying about where the shooter bought his guns. what possible difference could that make?
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Zundfolge
06-14-2017, 08:35
Looks like Democrats are doing their damnedest to start a civil war.
Zundfolge
06-14-2017, 08:38
The left murdered over 100 million people in the 20th century ... what gave you the idea they're non-violent?
Heard a report that the shooter is dead.
68Charger
06-14-2017, 08:50
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/shooting-virginia-congress/2017/06/14/id/795929/
The left believes in "the ends justify the means", a doctrine that is completely opposite the right. This is one of the reasons the left is so quick to violence.
Time to classify the democrat party as a terrorist organization... affiliation with them means you forfeit your 2nd amendment rights.
but then they'll just register as something else to commit evil acts.
Heard a report that the shooter is dead.
Dead man tells no tale......
Dead man tells no tale......
But their social media accounts do.
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Pistol Packing Preacher
06-14-2017, 09:01
If only reporters conducting live newscasts had brains and manners!
But their social media accounts do.
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We'll see if someone scrubbed those accounts prior to the shooting.
Zundfolge
06-14-2017, 09:13
Lets not jump to conclusions ... and its a Bernie Bro
http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-alexandria-gop-baseball-shooter-shooting-gunman-identified-illinois/
James T. Hodgkinson.
Bernie supporter. His facebook page has a banner of Bernie. Called Trump a traitor
http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-alexandria-gop-baseball-shooter-shooting-gunman-identified-illinois/
ETA: apparently I didn't post fast enough.
thvigil11
06-14-2017, 09:17
Love the "Walter" glasses. "The rug is not the point, Dude!"
Good thing these libtards don't train before taking action.
I was honestly worried about what the left would do if Trump won. Republicans get angry but generally don't do anything about it. They'll still go to work and do what they are supposed to. The left are like children and lash out.
Bailey Guns
06-14-2017, 09:29
I haven't heard the shooter died.
Zundfolge
06-14-2017, 09:43
Trump just said shooter died.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/shooting-virginia-congress/2017/06/14/id/795929/
A top House Republican, Steve Scalise of Louisiana, was shot by a rifle-wielding gunman Wednesday at a congressional baseball practice just outside of Washington. Several other people were also wounded, officials said.
Capitol police said officers who were part of Scalise's security detail returned fire and wounded the shooter, who was taken into custody. In all, five people were taken to area hospitals, including the suspect, Alexandria police said.
OctopusHighball
06-14-2017, 09:55
More proof that we need to take guns away from Democrats...
Lets not jump to conclusions ... and its a Bernie Bro
http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-alexandria-gop-baseball-shooter-shooting-gunman-identified-illinois/
Gee really? A democrat, let's a (D) shot up the Aurora theater, a (D) shot Giffords, I think I'm seeing a pattern.
Maybe it is time to add a new box to the 4473, Are you a Democrat? If Y then no gun, (D) don't believe in The Constitution anyway and they aren't Americans so we're not violating their rights. I'm only half kidding.
They can delete the race bullshit because race is irrelevant.
Ya this wasn't politically motivated at all! So much for the tolerant party again. Between them and religion of peace n tolerance both are useless.
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Zundfolge
06-14-2017, 10:17
I'm so fucking sick of Democrats.
Their violent rhetoric, their enabling of Antifa and other anarchists to do violence against conservatives and now its Republicans that need to "not politicize this shooting"?
Fuck you Democrats, seriously, fuck you.
I'm so fucking sick of Democrats.
Their violent rhetoric, their enabling of Antifa and other anarchists to do violence against conservatives and now its Republicans that need to "not politicize this shooting"?
Fuck you Democrats, seriously, fuck you.
Yup!!
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RblDiver
06-14-2017, 10:21
On a very lib website, some are saying things like "Let's not be dicks....ok, I've changed my mind, let's totally be dicks." Not realizing, of course, that if things were to actually heat up they'd be vastly outgunned.
[snip]
OP, I'm convinced that civil war is coming no matter what Putin says. I see your point and it's a valid one. What this conflict ultimately comes down to is the ownership of other humans and their labor (paychecks). It can't be resolved by any means other than violence and history confirms. So who knows what sets it off but we should be clear on what both sides demand.
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156065789.html
Hodgkinson is a member of a number of anti-Republican groups on Facebook, including one called “Terminate the Republican Party.”
[snip]
In 2012, Hodgkinson took part in a protest outside the downtown Belleville post office. He said he was part of a “99%” team drawing attention to the amount of money and political power the top 1 percent of Americans acquired.
[snip]
If only we were really talking about the 1% who ruled during the Obama years. Yeah, Dems don't like talking about the Obama wealth-gap (highest since the Great Depression). We're talking about middle class paychecks, consolidation of labor, collectivization, etc... and that is why they hate a guy who says* he will represent middle class Americans.
Like I implied, won't be no negotiations with true believers and they number in the 10s of millions in the US. If we don't want to be the Whites (see Russia, not a racial reference) then we'd better get our act together now.
I wonder why you never hear a story in the MSM that virtually all the mass shooters in the US have been leftists?
OctopusHighball
06-14-2017, 10:52
Gee really? A democrat, let's a (D) shot up the Aurora theater, a (D) shot Giffords, I think I'm seeing a pattern.
Maybe it is time to add a new box to the 4473, Are you a Democrat? If Y then no gun
Most gun violence in this country can be contributed to gang-related violence. Rarely are they registered as Republicans...
I'm so fucking sick of Democrats.
Their violent rhetoric, their enabling of Antifa and other anarchists to do violence against conservatives and now its Republicans that need to "not politicize this shooting"?
Fuck you Democrats, seriously, fuck you.
Thank you! Well said.
Zundfolge
06-14-2017, 11:20
David Frum is whining about how lax Virginia's gun laws are ... but the shooter is from Illinois, where they have most of the gun control laws antis claim to want.
Either the shooter illegally bought his guns OR he's got an Illinois FOID card. Looks like Illinois gun control works eh?
JohnnyEgo
06-14-2017, 12:16
This democrat-republican shit is getting as bad as religion. The more heated everything gets, the more the extremists on either side feel license and support to take action. I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of those who identify themselves as Democrats are just as horrified as those who identify as Republicans. And yet rather than build common cause around that feeling, it took about 30 seconds for everyone on either side of the spectrum to assume their talking point positions. I'm tired of all fucking sides.
This democrat-republican shit is getting as bad as religion. The more heated everything gets, the more the extremists on either side feel license and support to take action. I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of those who identify themselves as Democrats are just as horrified as those who identify as Republicans. And yet rather than build common cause around that feeling, it took about 30 seconds for everyone on either side of the spectrum to assume their talking point positions. I'm tired of all fucking sides.
Not likely
I do not see how either side can meet in the middle in today's highly charged, media fueled, society. There is no give and take any longer. Its all or none with this new breed of politics.
JohnnyEgo
06-14-2017, 12:46
I'm willing to bet there are a fair number of Democrats all around you. They probably bag your groceries, cut your hair, watch your kids, and in general, go about life just being people. And then there are a few that are assholes. I am sure you hate it when they paint us with a broad brush. I suppose this is your opportunity to do the same.
I disagree with the Democratic party platform and most of their political positions. I don't assume that everyone who disagrees with me is an asshole who hates America and seeks violence as a means to achieve their goals. It's too easy to rush to our familiar corners and repeat the same old lines, but that just gets us where we are now. I'm tired of it.
Looks like Bernie Sanders needs to tell his supporters that "violence is not the answer"
One of my favorite examples was a female college professor and well documented Obama supporter / fundraiser who went on a workplace shooting spree. Pretty sure it was in his first term, though for some reason the media didn't run with the story.
I'm willing to bet there are a fair number of Democrats all around you. They probably bag your groceries, cut your hair, watch your kids, and in general, go about life just being people. And then there are a few that are assholes. I am sure you hate it when they paint us with a broad brush. I suppose this is your opportunity to do the same.
I disagree with the Democratic party platform and most of their political positions. I don't assume that everyone who disagrees with me is an asshole who hates America and seeks violence as a means to achieve their goals. It's too easy to rush to our familiar corners and repeat the same old lines, but that just gets us where we are now. I'm tired of it.
Are you implying that others DO make that assumption.
JohnnyEgo
06-14-2017, 13:36
No implications of any kind, other than what I wrote explicitly.
Not even looking to target anyone specifically.
Tired of the behavior, regardless of which side demonstrates it.
http://www.dennisprager.com/americas-second-civil-war/
https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2017/05/02/will-the-second-civil-war-turn-violent-n2320819
The majority of the population sat-out the first Civil War, while others died for what they believed in.
The second will be the same.
RblDiver
06-14-2017, 13:49
I do not see how either side can meet in the middle in today's highly charged, media fueled, society. There is no give and take any longer. Its all or none with this new breed of politics.
While you're probably 99% true, there are a few people I've met online which is developing a new middle ground. A few on both sides realize that things are going crazy, and that the powers of government are out of control. A few former Obama supporters have come forward realizing that the Pen and Phone precedent was great when it was working for them, but bad now that Trump's in office, and are catching on that perhaps neither side should have those abilities. Same for other actions by Congress, etc.
Yeah, it's very tiny and you're right that there's a huge polarization, but I still try to maintain just a smidge of hope.
68Charger
06-14-2017, 14:08
I'm willing to bet there are a fair number of Democrats all around you. They probably bag your groceries, cut your hair, watch your kids, and in general, go about life just being people. And then there are a few that are assholes. I am sure you hate it when they paint us with a broad brush. I suppose this is your opportunity to do the same.
I disagree with the Democratic party platform and most of their political positions. I don't assume that everyone who disagrees with me is an asshole who hates America and seeks violence as a means to achieve their goals. It's too easy to rush to our familiar corners and repeat the same old lines, but that just gets us where we are now. I'm tired of it.
you seem to be confusing the terms asshole with homicidal maniac... what you're describing as an asshole is indeed a psychopath or homicidal maniac.
Someone who supports a law that punishes those THAT DID NOTHING WRONG because of the actions of a few psychopaths or homicidal maniac, while possibly well intentioned- are still assholes.
Someone who believes there are groups (either because of minority or celebrity status) are above certain laws is an asshole.
Those who support policies that are damaging to society, complain that things aren't that good in their community any more and proceed to move to another area that isn't ruined yet and support the same failed polices are assholes
Those that are so wilfully ignorant that they don't see what they are supporting are actually at least as bad as what they profess to be against (i.e. antifa)... and I don't just mean the assholes and psychopaths that go to the protests, but those that allow it to continue or "support" them are infact, assholes.
Those that pretend to know me or other strangers, and stick anyone they come across that has a differing opinion with a label so they can justify their horrible treatment of that person is an asshole.
Assholes (or Democrats, if there's actually a difference) may actually cut my hair, bag my groceries, or teach my kids... but I would not let one watch my kids. And as soon as they spout off, I will do everything to avoid them or keep from supporting them ( I even moved to East Texas because the AQ (Asshole Quotient) is significantly lower here)... I won't support them or their activities as soon as it's made known to me... and with many of them it's only a matter of time before they out themselves... because assholes must advertise... (it's one of their defining qualities)
With many assholes, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them... they are vying for attention- but they do not deserve it.
Many assholes I come across likely do not even know I can't stand them- because unless directly confronting them is necessary or beneficial, I just move on and leave them alone... because telling them they're an asshole just to make myself feel better would likely make me an asshole.
While you're probably 99% true, there are a few people I've met online which is developing a new middle ground. A few on both sides realize that things are going crazy, and that the powers of government are out of control. A few former Obama supporters have come forward realizing that the Pen and Phone precedent was great when it was working for them, but bad now that Trump's in office, and are catching on that perhaps neither side should have those abilities. Same for other actions by Congress, etc.
Yeah, it's very tiny and you're right that there's a huge polarization, but I still try to maintain just a smidge of hope.
A polarization that I think hasn't been seen since 1861.
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Bailey Guns
06-14-2017, 14:09
This democrat-republican shit is getting as bad as religion. The more heated everything gets, the more the extremists on either side feel license and support to take action. I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of those who identify themselves as Democrats are just as horrified as those who identify as Republicans. And yet rather than build common cause around that feeling, it took about 30 seconds for everyone on either side of the spectrum to assume their talking point positions. I'm tired of all fucking sides.
Uh, yeah...that's why they're called extremists. On the other hand, since November, which side has ratcheted up violent rhetoric, and violence, as a means of making a political statement? That's right...democrats. And not just the extremists. We have so-called comedians holding a likeness of the president's severed head. We have plays that depict the killing of someone that looks suspiciously like the president. We have pop singers talking about how shes thought of blowing up the white house. Riots. Destruction of property.
The left is completely unhinged. Out of their fucking minds. The right has never behaved this way, as a group, during my lifetime anyway. So don't try to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The left and right are not the same. The don't behave the same, they don't believe in the same things, they have opposite visions for the country.
We are bombarded with calls from the left, and not the extreme left either, for calls of unity, tolerance, stop the hate, blah, blah, blah. They don't mean that shit for a second. Sure, they want unity. On their terms. Fuck that. It's akin to the leaders of the former Soviet Union saying they just wanted peace. Sure they did. They wanted peace when they'd spread their brand of communism across the planet.
Anyone who believes the left and right are the same is a fool.
Having said all that, I don't blame anyone on the left what for what this asshat did any more than I blame the gun. He owns it. All of it. Not Bernie Sanders or anyone else...unless he had help.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/17539/watch-moment-far-left-sanders-supporter-opened-hank-berrien#
Some video of the event.
hollohas
06-14-2017, 15:15
A few former Obama supporters have come forward realizing that the Pen and Phone precedent was great when it was working for them, but bad now that Trump's in office, and are catching on that perhaps neither side should have those abilities.
That realization is temporary. The next time they are in the majority, they'll start to appreciate that precedent again and likely expand it.
http://www.dennisprager.com/americas-second-civil-war/
https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2017/05/02/will-the-second-civil-war-turn-violent-n2320819
The majority of the population sat-out the first Civil War, while others died for what they believed in.
The second will be the same.
Only bloodier.
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I agree that there are "extremists" on both sides of the political spectrum. That being said, instigating violence to further political and social agendas is an act owned most completely by democrats and the ideological left. I identify as a libertarian, with the constitution as my basis for government and statism as my enemy.
JohnnyDrama
06-14-2017, 18:42
Looks like Democrats are doing their damnedest to start a civil war.
Maybe setting things up....
I believe there are some truly despicable people in politics.
Hodgkinson was a disenfranchised, white male, over 55, with anger problems and a tenuous grasp on reality. Not the kind of person the bleeding hearts bleed for. He was however, willing to take up arms against government officials. All the left needs now is for someone like him to target law enforcement while at a large protest full of special snowflakes who feel so wronged by the MSM and social media to have the potential for another Kent State.
News flash: We have been in an ideological Civil war for a long time.
...and there you have it.
Prayers go out to the wounded and their families.
hollohas
06-14-2017, 20:31
Reports coming out that he used an SKS not a "M4" as originally reported.
Color me surprised....
If we lined up the opposition on one side, us on the other. Well...it wouldn't be much of an engagement. It would be bloody, yes, but we'd give them a whole lot more than they would give us. Sure would hate to see it come to that. Mark my words, if it does, it will because the progressive Liberals forced our hand.
Maybe setting things up....
I believe there are some truly despicable people in politics.
Hodgkinson was a disenfranchised, white male, over 55, with anger problems and a tenuous grasp on reality. Not the kind of person the bleeding hearts bleed for. He was however, willing to take up arms against government officials. All the left needs now is for someone like him to target law enforcement while at a large protest full of special snowflakes who feel so wronged by the MSM and social media to have the potential for another Kent State.
Huffington Post Writer Tweets:
@JesseBenn
For violent resistance to work it'd need to be organized. Individual acts can be understandable, but likely counterproductive/ineffective.
11:57 AM - 14 Jun 2017
It's coming.
Scanker19
06-14-2017, 23:23
Best comment I've seen all day:
"A Bernie Sanders supporter that was awake at 7am?"
Aloha_Shooter
06-14-2017, 23:35
Uh, yeah...that's why they're called extremists. On the other hand, since November, which side has ratcheted up violent rhetoric, and violence, as a means of making a political statement? That's right...democrats. And not just the extremists. We have so-called comedians holding a likeness of the president's severed head. We have plays that depict the killing of someone that looks suspiciously like the president. We have pop singers talking about how shes thought of blowing up the white house. Riots. Destruction of property.
The left is completely unhinged. Out of their fucking minds. The right has never behaved this way, as a group, during my lifetime anyway. So don't try to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The left and right are not the same. The don't behave the same, they don't believe in the same things, they have opposite visions for the country.
We are bombarded with calls from the left, and not the extreme left either, for calls of unity, tolerance, stop the hate, blah, blah, blah. They don't mean that shit for a second. Sure, they want unity. On their terms. Fuck that. It's akin to the leaders of the former Soviet Union saying they just wanted peace. Sure they did. They wanted peace when they'd spread their brand of communism across the planet.
Anyone who believes the left and right are the same is a fool.
Having said all that, I don't blame anyone on the left what for what this asshat did any more than I blame the gun. He owns it. All of it. Not Bernie Sanders or anyone else...unless he had help.
I agree with you in general except that I DO blame some on the left who have been actively trying to stir up hate and violent activity. They have been actively promoting and encouraging violence. He still owns his actions but the promoters of political violence own their words and encouragement.
Best comment I've seen all day:
"A Bernie Sanders supporter that was awake at 7am?"
Sure, has dinner at 4:30 and is in bed by 5:30.
you seem to be confusing the terms asshole with homicidal maniac... what you're describing as an asshole is indeed a psychopath or homicidal maniac.
Someone who supports a law that punishes those THAT DID NOTHING WRONG because of the actions of a few psychopaths or homicidal maniac, while possibly well intentioned- are still assholes.
Someone who believes there are groups (either because of minority or celebrity status) are above certain laws is an asshole.
Those who support policies that are damaging to society, complain that things aren't that good in their community any more and proceed to move to another area that isn't ruined yet and support the same failed polices are assholes
Those that are so wilfully ignorant that they don't see what they are supporting are actually at least as bad as what they profess to be against (i.e. antifa)... and I don't just mean the assholes and psychopaths that go to the protests, but those that allow it to continue or "support" them are infact, assholes.
Those that pretend to know me or other strangers, and stick anyone they come across that has a differing opinion with a label so they can justify their horrible treatment of that person is an asshole.
Assholes (or Democrats, if there's actually a difference) may actually cut my hair, bag my groceries, or teach my kids... but I would not let one watch my kids. And as soon as they spout off, I will do everything to avoid them or keep from supporting them ( I even moved to East Texas because the AQ (Asshole Quotient) is significantly lower here)... I won't support them or their activities as soon as it's made known to me... and with many of them it's only a matter of time before they out themselves... because assholes must advertise... (it's one of their defining qualities)
With many assholes, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them... they are vying for attention- but they do not deserve it.
Many assholes I come across likely do not even know I can't stand them- because unless directly confronting them is necessary or beneficial, I just move on and leave them alone... because telling them they're an asshole just to make myself feel better would likely make me an asshole.
THIS... so much this!
Uh, yeah...that's why they're called extremists. On the other hand, since November, which side has ratcheted up violent rhetoric, and violence, as a means of making a political statement? That's right...democrats. And not just the extremists. We have so-called comedians holding a likeness of the president's severed head. We have plays that depict the killing of someone that looks suspiciously like the president. We have pop singers talking about how shes thought of blowing up the white house. Riots. Destruction of property.
The left is completely unhinged. Out of their fucking minds. The right has never behaved this way, as a group, during my lifetime anyway. So don't try to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The left and right are not the same. The don't behave the same, they don't believe in the same things, they have opposite visions for the country.
We are bombarded with calls from the left, and not the extreme left either, for calls of unity, tolerance, stop the hate, blah, blah, blah. They don't mean that shit for a second. Sure, they want unity. On their terms. Fuck that. It's akin to the leaders of the former Soviet Union saying they just wanted peace. Sure they did. They wanted peace when they'd spread their brand of communism across the planet.
Anyone who believes the left and right are the same is a fool.
Having said all that, I don't blame anyone on the left what for what this asshat did any more than I blame the gun. He owns it. All of it. Not Bernie Sanders or anyone else...unless he had help.
Amen! However, like Aloha said, at least a little of the blame rests with the left that moves to incite violence and engages in violent rhetoric. This shooter belonged to a group called "Terminate the Republican Party." Perhaps a little of the blame resides with this ideology and those who share it. While they don't share the same culpability, you don't see large numbers on the right calling for the outright extermination of all things in opposition to their beliefs. I honestly don't believe they really want a war... They surely can't be dumb enough to fail to realize which side out guns them by a very large margin... I hope.
hurley842002
06-15-2017, 08:21
I keep hearing folks talk of how much the right would outgun the left, and that might well be true, but one must not forget, the left is the party of hypocrisy, and typically feel the laws they rally for don't necessarily apply to them. So everyone can sit back and pound their chest until the sun goes down, but many a conflict has been lost by underestimating the opponent. Treat each person like they can kick your ass, but have a plan to keep it from happening.
I keep hearing folks talk of how much the right would outgun the left, and that might well be true, but one must not forget, the left is the party of hypocrisy, and typically feel the laws they rally for don't necessarily apply to them. So everyone can sit back and pound their chest until the sun goes down, but many a conflict has been lost by underestimating the opponent. Treat each person like they can kick your ass, but have a plan to keep it from happening.
Excellent points all.
thvigil11
06-15-2017, 08:48
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."
"I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all."
"That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot. There are hunters and there are victims. By your discipline, cunning, obedience and alertness, you will decide if you are a hunter or a victim. It’s really a hell of a lot of fun. You’re gonna have a blast out here! "
-James Mattis
I keep hearing folks talk of how much the right would outgun the left, and that might well be true, but one must not forget, the left is the party of hypocrisy, and typically feel the laws they rally for don't necessarily apply to them. So everyone can sit back and pound their chest until the sun goes down, but many a conflict has been lost by underestimating the opponent. Treat each person like they can kick your ass, but have a plan to keep it from happening.
I agree... but if you watch some of these liberal dolts (granted not all, I know a few on the left who are quite capable), especially ANTIFA, with their "firearms training" they're 5ft from the broad side of the barn and can barely stay on target. Could this be diversionary propaganda? Maybe. But all-in-all, from what I've seen, these maroons can't shoot for shit.
Zundfolge
06-15-2017, 09:24
I keep hearing folks talk of how much the right would outgun the left, and that might well be true, but one must not forget, the left is the party of hypocrisy, and typically feel the laws they rally for don't necessarily apply to them. So everyone can sit back and pound their chest until the sun goes down, but many a conflict has been lost by underestimating the opponent. Treat each person like they can kick your ass, but have a plan to keep it from happening.
True, we should never underestimate our enemy. But if this guy and most of the scrawny basement dwelling Antifa/Black Bloc fools I've seen get beat down are an example of the left's vanguard, I fell pretty good about our odds.
Lets be honest, there are many people on this forum (particularly 3 gun shooters) that would have killed 5 or 6 of the people on that field before the security guys even slapped leather. Yet this guy was only able to wound 4 people in a 10 minute firefight.
Maybe the left is testing the waters with these fools and their pipe-hitters are waiting in the wings.
Most insurgents couldn't shoot well either. Nor could their IA counterparts... hard to shoot against an IED.
Zundfolge
06-15-2017, 09:34
Most insurgents couldn't shoot well either. Nor could their IA counterparts... hard to shoot against an IED.
Yeah, when they figure out how to make IEDs things are going to get interesting.
I agree... but if you watch some of these liberal dolts (granted not all, I know a few on the left who are quite capable), especially ANTIFA, with their "firearms training" they're 5ft from the broad side of the barn and can barely stay on target. Could this be diversionary propaganda? Maybe. But all-in-all, from what I've seen, these maroons can't shoot for shit.
However, these morons will not engage in a conventional firefight. They will use terrorist tactics as they have in the past - IEDs and suicidal ambushes.
Until we treat all terrorists as we did the Nazi party, we will be caught-up in perpetual "war" - hunt them down and eliminate them based on their ideology.
No other way has ever been successful in the history of the world.
Lines have been drawn and no side will change the other's mind.
However, these morons will not engage in a conventional firefight. They will use terrorist tactics as they have in the past - IEDs and suicidal ambushes.
Until we treat all terrorists as we did the Nazi party, we will be caught-up in perpetual "war" - hunt them down and eliminate them based on their ideology.
No other way has ever been successful in the history of the world.
Lines have been drawn and no side will change the other's mind.
I think thats the big take away. The right assumes it's be a fair fight, man vs man. Head to head. The left knows it wont win that way so they'll go with some dirty tactics, like their politics. They'll use political power with grassroots attacks.
I like that local news doesn't even have it on front page anymore. Imagine if it was a tea partyier that had hit dems...
Zundfolge
06-15-2017, 10:18
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Yeah, when they figure out how to make IEDs things are going to get interesting.
I don't really think IEDs are a strong viability as a tactic for the left. It's not the same here as it is in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, where IEDs are very easy to materialize. For one, the technical know-how on successfully creating an IED to target specific targets, and materials. Materials over there were easy to acquire and design, we don't exactly have stockpiles of Russian UXO and Chinese/Iranian/Pakistani ordinance to make assembly of simple IEDs possible. That being said, the instructions on how to make similar devices to those used in the Boston Marathon Bombing are readily available on the internet. I'm just skeptical that they will actually begin employing IEDs against anyone as a widespread tactic. A shooting can be very precise in who you're targeting (See: shooting of Dallas PD), an explosive really is addressed to "Whom it may concern".
Bailey Guns
06-15-2017, 15:08
Frankly, I find the idea of a right vs left civil war, or any civil war, pretty disturbing. For some reason I get the feeling some actually have a sort of romantic or fantasy notion of what it might be like. You know? All the fun stuff...martial law, a police state, family members getting killed, homes being destroyed, etc. And what happens when "our side" doesn't win? It's not a given if you haven't considered that. And it's not like you're gonna go out, quickly win a firefight with a bunch of leftists wearing leftist uniforms, then go home and crack a beer and throw some burgers on the grill.
hurley842002
06-15-2017, 15:12
Frankly, I find the idea of a right vs left civil war, or any civil war, pretty disturbing. For some reason I get the feeling some actually have a sort of romantic or fantasy notion of what it might be like. You know? All the fun stuff...martial law, a police state, family members getting killed, homes being destroyed, etc. And what happens when "our side" doesn't win? It's not a given if you haven't considered that. And it's not like you're gonna go out, quickly win a firefight with a bunch of leftists wearing leftist uniforms, then go home and crack a beer and throw some burgers on the grill.
I share your sentiments.
Frankly, I find the idea of a right vs left civil war, or any civil war, pretty disturbing. For some reason I get the feeling some actually have a sort of romantic or fantasy notion of what it might be like. You know? All the fun stuff...martial law, a police state, family members getting killed, homes being destroyed, etc. And what happens when "our side" doesn't win? It's not a given if you haven't considered that. And it's not like you're gonna go out, quickly win a firefight with a bunch of leftists wearing leftist uniforms, then go home and crack a beer and throw some burgers on the grill.
Yeah!!!
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Frankly, I find the idea of a right vs left civil war, or any civil war, pretty disturbing. For some reason I get the feeling some actually have a sort of romantic or fantasy notion of what it might be like. You know? All the fun stuff...martial law, a police state, family members getting killed, homes being destroyed, etc. And what happens when "our side" doesn't win? It's not a given if you haven't considered that. And it's not like you're gonna go out, quickly win a firefight with a bunch of leftists wearing leftist uniforms, then go home and crack a beer and throw some burgers on the grill.
I think it would be worse than Iraq, personally. It certainly wouldn't be Ronald Reagan riding a T-Rex w/ F-16's blowing up things in the background. It would be trying to manage the semblance of normality in protracted chaos, loss of all the comforts which make us think this is such a great place, and the rise of awareness at what it means to be a fragile human being. The best scenario would be an insurgency. The worst... I don't think we can truly imagine it.
Frankly, I find the idea of a right vs left civil war, or any civil war, pretty disturbing. For some reason I get the feeling some actually have a sort of romantic or fantasy notion of what it might be like. You know? All the fun stuff...martial law, a police state, family members getting killed, homes being destroyed, etc. And what happens when "our side" doesn't win? It's not a given if you haven't considered that. And it's not like you're gonna go out, quickly win a firefight with a bunch of leftists wearing leftist uniforms, then go home and crack a beer and throw some burgers on the grill.
I share your sentiments.
A civil war would be the worst thing to happen.
Bailey Guns
06-15-2017, 15:47
The worst... I don't think we can truly imagine it.
I can. I had an example typed out but I'm not gonna post it. Let's just say it's not that hard to imagine and it paints a pretty horrible picture. We'd all do well to pray it never gets to that point.
I don't really think IEDs are a strong viability as a tactic for the left. It's not the same here as it is in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, where IEDs are very easy to materialize. For one, the technical know-how on successfully creating an IED to target specific targets, and materials. Materials over there were easy to acquire and design, we don't exactly have stockpiles of Russian UXO and Chinese/Iranian/Pakistani ordinance to make assembly of simple IEDs possible. That being said, the instructions on how to make similar devices to those used in the Boston Marathon Bombing are readily available on the internet. I'm just skeptical that they will actually begin employing IEDs against anyone as a widespread tactic. A shooting can be very precise in who you're targeting (See: shooting of Dallas PD), an explosive really is addressed to "Whom it may concern".
Not to mention they won't want to hurt any of their own.
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hollohas
06-15-2017, 15:48
I keep hearing folks talk of how much the right would outgun the left, and that might well be true, but one must not forget, the left is the party of hypocrisy, and typically feel the laws they rally for don't necessarily apply to them. So everyone can sit back and pound their chest until the sun goes down, but many a conflict has been lost by underestimating the opponent.
This.
The radical left has a propensity for violence and a disregard for the law unlike people like us. Can we shoot better? I suspect yes. But they are much more willing to step over the line LONG before we are. Radical lefties have shown that time and time again.
And they are WAY more organized then we are. Always have been. They live and die by group think. That goes hand-in-hand with being a commie/socialist. They just need some "group" to tell them it's time to step up to bat, and they show up in mass ready to go.
Folks like us on the other hand think much more independently. We arent going to show up just because someone says it's a good cause. We individually debate the risks v. reward before doing anything. We also don't like to force others to think like us. True conservatives don't do group think. It's why they can't get anything done politically (and why there are very few true conservatives in government anyway...because the very nature of government is group think defined).
People call liberals passive. And they may seem that way. But they hold no punches when it comes to forcing others to conform with liberal values. They preach peace and love trumps hate all day long while simultaneously putting the screws to anyone who disagrees.
They already have the media for propaganda. And they will get a large portion of the population to passively conform by bullying them into silence. They're doing this already. They're louder...
God forbid things get truly hostile. But if they do, the right will already be on their heels before they finally decide to engage in any sort of coordinated defense. We need to avoid that outcome.
I can. I had an example typed out but I'm not gonna post it. Let's just say it's not that hard to imagine and it paints a pretty horrible picture. We'd all do well to pray it never gets to that point.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Bailey Guns
06-15-2017, 16:00
Not to mention the left is far more experienced at killing. See: Moa, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, ad nauseum.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Bloody. And people are gonna die. And the country has a lot more people living here than the last time. All it takes is a little math.
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Great-Kazoo
06-15-2017, 17:01
Posters have left out the distrust level IF something were to happen.
Sure you're a (Insert ideology here) BUT how DO WE KNOW you really are what and who you say you are.
The Walking Dead (AMC 7p.m sundays, consult your t.v listings for channel) is a version of that scenario. Where everyone who can, already does. The distrust of anyone who varies from that tight knit existing group isn't safe. No matter how many (insert bumper stickers) they have on their vehicle.
We in CO are somewhat isolated from the serious mob rules mentality, one sees in larger urban areas. When one throws in the muscle and firepower of the Cartels among other serious paramilitary groups, GFL.
Aloha_Shooter
06-15-2017, 18:33
Not to mention they won't want to hurt any of their own.
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they won't. They'll attack Republican rallies, monster truck events, NASCAR races, traditional churches (not the ones practicing "liberation theology"), gun shows, American Legion halls, military base entrances, etc. That's not to say the populations at any of the locations are monolithic supporters of traditional culture or that they won't catch of a few of their own in the blasts but the individuals that would do this kind of thing (a small minority of Leftists) will console themselves with "the greater good" and "collateral damage". The majority of Leftists will make excuses for the miscreants and shift blame on guns or corporations or the victims themselves.
Democrats showed their colors in the immediate aftermath of this attack. No sense in being paranoid or in assuming or wishing the worst but be warned, be vigilant, and be prepared.
I pray, and expect a civil war wouldn't happen. I also don't think we'd ever see a large scale civil war in this country- it would mostly be relegated to flare ups like in Watts, Chicago, and LA during their respective riots. But on a nationwide scale? Doubtful, with how disjointed and spread out America is, and the varying ideologies. Not saying it could never happen, and I pray it never does, but there was a song in the 90's that said "I'd start a revolution, if I could get up in the morning."
I think the more likely scenario is that a trends towards such an event would spur the rise of an overtly authoritarian state in the name of "public safety". Then would begin the ideological purges. The best that could be hoped for would be an underground resistance.
What say you, s2?
Zundfolge
06-16-2017, 08:55
For some reason I get the feeling some actually have a sort of romantic or fantasy notion of what it might be like.
Every time this discussion comes up, someone makes this point.
I kind of see where you're coming from, but discussing the inevitability of civil war is not the same thing as fantasizing about it. At this point something's got to give and we can no longer rely on long term peaceful co-existence with the left. At some point there will be shooting. Accepting this reality and pointing to the hopeful aspects (the idea that the right is better armed, trained and ready for actual war than the left, for example) is a necessary part of the process of steeling ourselves against the coming unpleasantness.
As a parallel, I don't ever want to have to kill some meth-head who is trying to harm my family, but most of us here prepare for that eventuality both mentally and with training. Would any of us accept someone coming here and saying in every thread about crime preparation; "I get the feeling some of you people here are just fantasizing about murdering people."? Not saying that's what you're doing, but it is interesting that this same tired argument comes up in such discussions outside this site.
I think we can all acknowledge that almost nobody on the right really wants civil war (if we did, well it would have already happened).
But on a nationwide scale? Doubtful, with how disjointed and spread out America is, and the varying ideologies.
The first Civil War was not really nation wide either. It was a limited regional conflict.
The big difference between the first Civil War and a possible upcoming right v left civil war is that the first had clearly defined territories. An Ideological civil war will look more like "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland ... and last a long time (assuming there isn't a swift civil rights crackdown, which I frankly think is the entire purpose the leftist elites are pushing for war).
Every time this discussion comes up, someone makes this point.
I kind of see where you're coming from, but discussing the inevitability of civil war is not the same thing as fantasizing about it. At this point something's got to give and we can no longer rely on long term peaceful co-existence with the left. At some point there will be shooting. Accepting this reality and pointing to the hopeful aspects (the idea that the right is better armed, trained and ready for actual war than the left, for example) is a necessary part of the process of steeling ourselves against the coming unpleasantness.
As a parallel, I don't ever want to have to kill some meth-head who is trying to harm my family, but most of us here prepare for that eventuality both mentally and with training. Would any of us accept someone coming here and saying in every thread about crime preparation; "I get the feeling some of you people here are just fantasizing about murdering people."? Not saying that's what you're doing, but it is interesting that this same tired argument comes up in such discussions outside this site.
I think we can all acknowledge that almost nobody on the right really wants civil war (if we did, well it would have already happened).
The first Civil War was not really nation wide either. It was a limited regional conflict.
The big difference between the first Civil War and a possible upcoming right v left civil war is that the first had clearly defined territories. An Ideological civil war will look more like "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland ... and last a long time (assuming there isn't a swift civil rights crackdown, which I frankly think is the entire purpose the leftist elites are pushing for war).
As of Wednesday morning shots have been fired.
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I think the more likely scenario is that a trends towards such an event would spur the rise of an overtly authoritarian state in the name of "public safety". Then would begin the ideological purges. The best that could be hoped for would be an underground resistance.
What say you, s2?
You're not talking as in a pseudo martial law type of thing? I could honestly see more of the Post-9/11 type of thing getting rolled out (Patriot Act x10) under Trump, but the thought makes me skeptical with how everyone wants to impeach Trump each time he sneezes.
(assuming there isn't a swift civil rights crackdown, which I frankly think is the entire purpose the leftist elites are pushing for war).
I'm with you on this one. I really think thats the point of all this. Poke the bear til it has had enough and then kill the bear once it hits back.
You're not talking as in a pseudo martial law type of thing? I could honestly see more of the Post-9/11 type of thing getting rolled out (Patriot Act x10) under Trump, but the thought makes me skeptical with how everyone wants to impeach Trump each time he sneezes.
I think it would be a mistake to assume such an occurrence under any particular "administration" as a method of gauging viability of the scenario. Rather, as a scenario in general how do you feel about the prospect and then how would you see it under Trump, etc.?
Also, recall that in times of chaos, people will put aside their prejudices for the appearance of security and safety.
I think it would be a mistake to assume such an occurrence under any particular "administration" as a method of gauging viability of the scenario. Rather, as a scenario in general how do you feel about the prospect and then how would you see it under Trump, etc.?
Also, recall that in times of chaos, people will put aside their prejudices for the appearance of security and safety.
Depends on if it's slow and incremental (like with our 2A rights) or a knee-jerk response to some kind of event. I am not sure the American public has a lot of tolerance for a full crack down of civil liberties, especially under Trump. But you know what Franklin said "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."
Has anybody notice that the shooter looks suspiciously like Mike Ditka??? My trophy wife noticed, and I thought "I knew I recognized him!"
Has anybody notice that the shooter looks suspiciously like Mike Ditka??? My trophy wife noticed, and I thought "I knew I recognized him!"
Yep, lol.
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Heard today that the surgeons believe that Scalise has a very good chance at a full recovery, but it's going to require more surgeries and some rehab. Apparently there are hundreds of bullet fragments still inside and bone injuries that still need repair.
Heard today that the surgeons believe that Scalise has a very good chance at a full recovery, but it's going to require more surgeries and some rehab. Apparently there are hundreds of bullet fragments still inside and bone injuries that still need repair.
Needs to step down and let an able bodied person serve that electorate.
He does not one good in the hospital.
hurley842002
06-16-2017, 22:08
Needs to step down and let an able bodied person serve that electorate.
He does not one good in the hospital.
Can we possibly let the wounds stop bleeding before calling on him to "step down"?
Zundfolge
06-17-2017, 09:01
The more I think about it, the list the VA shooter had and his interaction with Rep Duncan indicates to me that he didn't act alone.
He didn't write the list, he was given the list. I say this because he didn't recognize one of the people on the list when he talked to him (Jeff Duncan) face to face and asked him who was on the field.
There will never be a right v left civil war, wanted or otherwise, at least not the likes anyone is worried about or perhaps less worried.
The government's crawled so far up your collective asses that the organization required will never be possible. By anyone. It intercepts virtually all communications of all types. A deeper authoritarian state and growing corruption is a guarantee, however. The problem isn't so much left v. right. We live within the borders of the largest government in the world... and it's going to do everything to keep that status.
Lone wolf, suicidal and terrorist style attacks will perpetuate in small numbers until humans are fully replaced by software/androids. Which I is sooner than people realize. This may sound a bit crazy, but I think you need to be far, far more worried about the likes of things like Elon Musk and "lace" than a lefty civil war, especially if you aren't planning on dying in the next twenty years.
Elon Musk is all about raising money. It is what he does best. AI and RPA are still limited in usefullness except for very specific tasks.
Has anybody notice that the shooter looks suspiciously like Mike Ditka??? My trophy wife noticed, and I thought "I knew I recognized him!"
Sort of a mix between Gene Hackman and Mike Ditka.
Unfortunately, half of America doesn't posses the capacity to understand that logic.
The more I think about it, the list the VA shooter had and his interaction with Rep Duncan indicates to me that he didn't act alone.
He didn't write the list, he was given the list. I say this because he didn't recognize one of the people on the list when he talked to him (Jeff Duncan) face to face and asked him who was on the field.
Can we possibly let the wounds stop bleeding before calling on him to "step down"?
No. Life and the business of the US needs to move along. We need another hopefully Republican vote to fend off any gun controll legislation the libtards are drafting.
This is a fast paced environment, we can't sit idle while our opponents are quickly maneuvering.
JohnnyDrama
06-17-2017, 16:43
The more I think about it, the list the VA shooter had and his interaction with Rep Duncan indicates to me that he didn't act alone.
He didn't write the list, he was given the list. I say this because he didn't recognize one of the people on the list when he talked to him (Jeff Duncan) face to face and asked him who was on the field.
That train of thought takes " organization" and "radicalization" to a whole new level. Kinda validates a whole bunch of tin foil hats out there.
Very astute observation.
That train of thought takes " organization" and "radicalization" to a whole new level. Kinda validates a whole bunch of tin foil hats out there.
Very astute observation.
True. Good eye.
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No. Life and the business of the US needs to move along. We need another hopefully Republican vote to fend off any gun controll legislation the libtards are drafting.
This is a fast paced environment, we can't sit idle while our opponents are quickly maneuvering.
Dude, chill. Scalise is in the House of Representatives which has a solidly Republican majority. Scalise being out for weeks will likely not make any difference.
Bailey Guns
06-17-2017, 17:46
Dude, chill. Scalise is in the House of Representatives which has a solidly Republican majority. Scalise being out for weeks will likely not make any difference.
Exactly. Not to mention it's up to the people in his state to worry about him. Besides. "Fast-paced environment" my ass. The house republicans have been neutralized by infighting and Trump-hating for the last 6 months. They can barely agree they're republicans.
hurley842002
06-17-2017, 20:36
Dude, chill. Scalise is in the House of Representatives which has a solidly Republican majority. Scalise being out for weeks will likely not make any difference.
Exactly. Not to mention it's up to the people in his state to worry about him. Besides. "Fast-paced environment" my ass. The house republicans have been neutralized by infighting and Trump-hating for the last 6 months. They can barely agree they're republicans.
Yup, let the guy heal.
Zundfolge
06-17-2017, 21:49
Needs to step down and let an able bodied person serve that electorate.
He does not one good in the hospital.
Absolutely fuckin' not.
The governor of Louisiana is a Demonrat ... he'll replace him with another degenerate POS seditious Democrat in a heartbeat.
Absolutely fuckin' not.
The governor of Louisiana is a Demonrat ... he'll replace him with another degenerate POS seditious Democrat in a heartbeat.
He can also still cast votes from the hospital via proxy or whatever they call it.
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Singlestack
06-19-2017, 13:26
I really don't believe the progressive leadership wants a civil war. The violent rhetoric and encouragement of violence are intended to have several outcomes: create chaos, intimidation, and a feeling of hopelessness among the greater population. To that end, a few deranged/evil types like the baseball shooter will feel validated and empowered to act. There will be more. The left knows they are ridiculously outgunned and if they truly got behind a violent overthrow of the gov would be put down hard. What the progressive leadership wants is a steady march to disarming the population through several means: indoctrination in schools/colleges, anti-2A local and state laws, participation in globalist gun control measures, changing our culture, and packing the courts with leftists. They have succeeded on many of those fronts - in fact almost the rest of the world population is either completely or functionally disarmed right now. The progs know they need the white house back to finish what they started. They aren't happy about having to wait a few years for another crack at it, so are doing everything they can in the meantime to stir the pot. I expect at some point not too far away they will have the white house - and probably congress too. There are enough useful idiots who vote in the country, to vote them in. When they have the power back, thats when it will really be dangerous. If they succeed on disarmament, it is game over as we all know. However, even with them in power I don't think that is easy to do. Maybe impossible?
Good points all Singlestack, thanks.
Aloha_Shooter
06-19-2017, 16:16
I don't think the Liberal Left wants a civil war but I do think they want the Appeasement arms of the Moderate and Right wings to fear a civil war enough to kowtow to what they want or at least forego undoing what the Left has done. This has been their pattern for the last 50 years: make what was viewed as extreme look moderate by comparison and get the country to shift gradually leftward to avoid the violence and instability implied by their violent activism.
To this end, they immediately try to blame violence on the Right or on guns or gun owners (what we call "conservative" today would have been viewed as simply common sense moderation or even slightly liberal 50 years ago).
They don't need to own a bunch of guns themselves if they can change the culture and the courts to make enough people think gun ownership is extremism in itself. 35 years ago, I was able to borrow a rifle from school overnight to teach skills at my Scout troop (and this was in Hawaii!). Today, that would cause all kinds of apoplexy (why did the school have GUNS? Why did they let a student borrow one overnight? What do you mean he didn't have a safe at home to store it? Etc.).
We need to take back the language along with our rights. They aren't progressive in any way or fashion. These are regressive Stalinists and Maoists bent on enforcing cultural and societal change that has demonstrated it leads to decay. Despite their rewrites of history, they bear as much resemblance to the Progressive Party formed by Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 as the Antonov An-10 did to the Fokker Dr.I or Nieuport 28.
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