WHY THE F#:K IS IT...

[BPTactical]

...people feel the need to take their goddamned dog everywhere they go?
It's not your freakin kid, it will be OK while you got to Home Depot to get a new trash can for fucks sake.
I go to HD on Wednesday to get some stuff for work, 3- 10' sticks of copper pipe so I'm using a cart. I go up one aisle, 2 fat assed dykes with 2 Pomafuckwhateverthehellyouare dogs on leashes are deciding which sprinkler they need. They move over so I can get by but don't pay any mind to the dogs that are sitting in the middle of the aisle and I can't get by.
Move your fucking dogs! I finally had to ask them to move their dogs.
Fuck!

Today I go with the Mrs to look at some lights and a trash can (who pays $100.00 for a damn trash can anyway?) And there is some broad with a full sized poodle and 2 little kids trying to get a trash can too. The kids are being kids, jumping all over the displays while the dog tangles the broad up with its leash. The broad can't catch the kids until she untangled herself, she does so and turns to deal with the kids and the dog delivers the CouDeGras'- takes a dump on the floor right in front of the trash cans the wife wanted to look at.
Fuck!

Needless to say we need to find a trash can still.....

[00tec]

I have noticed the same thing at Home Depot lately. Used to be rare to see someone with a dog in there, now they are everywhere.
I didnt even bother with the store on Grant when I lived in town, it was worth the drive to hit the one over in Brighton near Platte Valley hospital. Less traffic, less stupid in the store.

[Bailey Guns]

Maybe it's not everyone else that's the problem. That's what the wife tells me.

She's wrong.

I'd rather deal with dogs dumping in the Depot than the Fatty Fucktard families that constantly wander the aisles of Costco, line abreast so as to block the entire aisle, at a pace that would bore a tortoise, going from one free food sample to another. Fuckin' Costcos need to be nuked on Sat mornings.

[Eric P]

We had one at the office I work at. Dummy bought a service dog vest and claimed it as such. The dog was no service animal. Jumped on people and was nippy.

I told the guy to control his pet many times and he would get angry for me calling it a pet. I then told him if his pet jumped on me or nipped at my that would be the end of his pet right then and there. No warning, I would just shoot it. His pet hasn't been back in a while and will not be.

HR had it under review and determined it or he wasn't qualified for said service pet.

I can't stand these pets in stores. The stores have no power for fear of coming in conflict with ADA rules. But what about employees or other patrons who may be allergic or fearful of dogs. True service dogs are well behaved and you don't notice them.

I think I am going to claim my handgun a service device. If i dont have it i get great uncontrollable anxiety and calm down by knowing I have. Why are the two pieces of property treated differently? Mine I well behave and is rarely seen, the other, not so much, plus it's dirty, brings bugs, attacks on its own, ect...

[davsel]

My ex's daughter now has 8 cats in her rented condo.
The condo only allows 2 pets, but she and her new husband claim 3 each as "service" animals.

ADA has been out of control for a while.

[68Charger]

Must be grouchy old man Saturday, I found just the few people I ran into getting tires to be annoying, but they really didn't do anything wrong

[Hummer]

I hate it. Dogs in stores everywhere, it's out of control. There oughta be a state law strictly prohibiting dogs and cats in stores except for seeing-eye dogs. Big fines, including for service animal fraud. No emotional support animal bullshit.

In Montrose a while back I encountered some fucktard doper dragging his cat around on a leash on a busy sidewalk of Main Street. He thought it was cool. The cat was terrified. He relished engaging people in conversations, some young women and many angry people. It was a rare but prime example of animal cruelty. I wanted to beat him to death.

[CS1983]

Something tells me that the people who do this probably won't reply.

[KevDen2005]

People think their dogs are people and treat them as such. I upset some people recently when they asked if I wanted a wheel chair for my severely aging lab. I said, "No, the day he can't get up on his own is the day he gets put down." They couldn't believe I could be so heartless. My best friend spent years in the foster care system before being adopted. He absolutely hates when people use those terms with pets.

[KevDen2005]

Maybe it's not everyone else that's the problem. That's what the wife tells me.

She's wrong.


People have told me that as well. I disagree.

[Hummer]

Something tells me that the people who do this probably won't reply.


Oh, yes they will. The people who do this are typically self-centered and arrogantly believe that everyone should love their animals as they do. Accepting their animals is tantamount to accepting them. They don't know or care about anyone else's sensibilities.

[Bailey Guns]

I'll respond. I've taken my Corgi into Home Depot twice...when she was just a few months old. She sat quietly in a cart and she enjoyed the attention everyone gave her. Hard not to smile at a Corgi puppy. It's a good way to socialize a puppy without having them run around out of control. Even though she's now a well behaved young adult I don't take her into stores any more because I know not everyone appreciates dog. Especially grumpy old gunsmiths. :) I don't have a problem with people having their dogs in the stores. The problem really isn't the dogs...it's the people. As usual.

[WETWRKS]

99% of the animals in stores are not licensed or trained service animals. They have no business inflicting their animals on others. This mindset that animals have the same rights as people is wrong. This includes charging people for killing a police dog. It is not an officer and does not deserve the same rights as one. If I were an officer I would be offended if people said that some stupid animal was as important as me.

[MrAK]

My 18 year old dog is legally considered a "support animal" due to my ptsd and my therapist pretty much demanding it after an issue with a former landlord. That being said, he stays at home unless I'm going out of town for more than a couple of days.

[Zundfolge]

I take my dog anywhere I'm allowed to ... I like my dog (which is not something I can say about most people) so I like having him with me.

We also sometimes take him to Lowes just to walk around in the winter time.


But we also don't pretend he's a service dog either ... hate those people.

Also ours is tremendously well behaved and probably the friendliest dog you'd ever meet (but yeah, you threaten to shoot my dog and you go to jail ... you're not doing gun owners any favor with that bullshit attitude).

[Hummer]

I'll respond. I've taken my Corgi into Home Depot twice...when she was just a few months old. She sat quietly in a cart and she enjoyed the attention everyone gave her. Hard not to smile at a Corgi puppy. It's a good way to socialize a puppy without having them run around out of control. Even though she's now a well behaved young adult I don't take her into stores any more because I know not everyone appreciates dog. Especially grumpy old gunsmiths. :) I don't have a problem with people having their dogs in the stores. The problem really isn't the dogs...it's the people. As usual.

You're right, of course. But despite an owner's innocent intentions, most any dog is capable of inflicting serious damage in an instant, faster than you can respond. A dog bite can cause infection and permanent tissue damage. I grew up with dogs and have loved several fine dogs that were not my own. But I don't wan to encounter strange, uncontrolled dogs in stores or on the trail. I could cite many examples like the Boulder chicklet whose two dogs jumped up on me, dirtied my clothes and damaged my camera lens in their exuberance. "Oh, they're friendly, they won't hurt you." Clueless, and careless.

[Bailey Guns]

99% of the animals in stores are not licensed or trained service animals. They have no business inflicting their animals on others. This mindset that animals have the same rights as people is wrong. This includes charging people for killing a police dog. It is not an officer and does not deserve the same rights as one. If I were an officer I would be offended if people said that some stupid animal was as important as me.

Cite an example where a person was charged with First Degree Murder (of a police officer) for killing a police dog. Killing a police dog is not the same as killing a police officer. Sure...in an emotional context people may say that...but it's hyperbole and everyone (at least reasonable people) knows that.

Having said that, killing a police dog should carry a hefty punishment. A lot of time, effort and expense goes into acquiring, training and maintaining police dogs. You'd be punished for destroying another piece of high value police equipment (like a vehicle) so it should be no less for killing a police dog. You'd also be charged for killing your neighbor's dog while committing a crime (which is when most people kill police dogs) in most places.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Everybody's pet is a %$%$ing "service" animal now.

I want to treat them all like they are retarded. "Oh, I am so glad to see such a special person out with the community." [Wave] "All made possible by a dog. I'm glad they permit you retards to have their service animals. The dogs are just so intelligent by comparison"

^^^^^
Yes.

[Bailey Guns]

And, BTW. My "stupid animal" is a member of my family. If someone attacked my dog or harmed my dog for an unprovoked reason my response would be quite swift. Not unlike if the same person attacked my wife.

[Zundfolge]

And, BTW. My "stupid animal" is a member of my family. If someone attacked my dog or harmed my dog for an unprovoked reason my response would be quite swift. Not unlike if the same person attacked my wife.

+1 (but to be fair not all dog owners are as conscientious as you and I are. I imagine dogs owned by liberals are probably more of a nuisance)

You can't shoot someone's dog just because its being annoying ... and I've seen MANY more annoying children in stores than dogs ... effin breeders :p

[OtterbatHellcat]

I, like many of us, have great respect for police dogs. All the facets that they can be trained to do is amazing. When I see an actual impaired person relying on a trained canine, I'm am nothing less than emphatically impressed.

Trained in search and rescue, tracking, drugs, explosives, psychological/ emotional, other health issues, etc. etc. Really cool applications like that.

Someone who abuses the Service Dog Title?...........blow me.

[WETWRKS]

Cite an example where a person was charged with First Degree Murder (of a police officer) for killing a police dog. Killing a police dog is not the same as killing a police officer. Sure...in an emotional context people may say that...but it's hyperbole and everyone (at least reasonable people) knows that.

Having said that, killing a police dog should carry a hefty punishment. A lot of time, effort and expense goes into acquiring, training and maintaining police dogs. You'd be punished for destroying another piece of high value police equipment (like a vehicle) so it should be no less for killing a police dog. You'd also be charged for killing your neighbor's dog while committing a crime (which is when most people kill police dogs) in most places.

I don't know what the official charges were or what they pled to...

http://www.akc.org/content/entertainment/articles/10181-man-who-killed-police-dog-gets-extremely-long-sentence/

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/man-shot-killed-ohio-officer-jethro-sentenced-45/story?id=41645362

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96229&page=1

But the sentences are in line with killing a person. And these sentences are not in line with the destruction of property. You steal or destroy something you are not typically going to get 10+ years in prison much less closer to 40. Moreover there are people who have been convicted of murder who have gotten sentences less than 40 years.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't know what the official charges were or what they pled to...

http://www.akc.org/content/entertainment/articles/10181-man-who-killed-police-dog-gets-extremely-long-sentence/


Judge Jill Rangos stacked the sentences for Rush’s multiple convictions, which included killing Rocco; stabbing Rocco’s handler, Officer Phil Lerza; punching officers; and attempting to take an officer’s gun.

A little more to the story than killing a police dog, wouldn't you say? Stabbing a police officer will get you a reservation at the Gray Bar Hotel.

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/man-shot-killed-ohio-officer-jethro-sentenced-45/story?id=41645362


An Ohio man who killed a K-9 officer has been sentenced to 34 years for the incident that resulted in shooting the dog and 11 years for additional crimes.

Kelontre Barefield, 23, pleaded guilty to both shooting K-9 officer Jethro and four unrelated burglary charges and an aggravated robbery charges, according to the Stark County Clerk of Courts.

So, let's see...burglary, aggravated robbery, getting into a shootout with police officers. Yeah...you're gonna go to jail for a while.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96229&page=1

But the sentences are in line with killing a person. And these sentences are not in line with the destruction of property. You steal or destroy something you are not typically going to get 10+ years in prison much less closer to 40. Moreover there are people who have been convicted of murder who have gotten sentences less than 40 years.

You seem to be missing the parts of the stories where all the offenders you cited were convicted of various other crimes against persons and property.

[lex137]

I'm not big on animals. Though I understand why people are attached to them. I work downtown and see dogs all day long. Don't normally mind them as long as the owner picks up after them, my only gripe is I wish they wouldn't let them piss on street light bases, switch cabinets, per boxes, or anything else I have to work on.

[CS1983]

What about bicyclists who bring their dogs on rides, and then go into the store for snacks with the dog, while wearing a spandex jersey that says "Glocks suck", and open carrying?

:D

[Bailey Guns]

What about bicyclists?

You could've just left it at that. They're more annoying than any dog in the history of dogs.

[WETWRKS]

You seem to be missing the parts of the stories where all the offenders you cited were convicted of various other crimes against persons and property.

34 of the 45 year sentence was for killing the dog.

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/08/30/suspect-gets-34-years-killing-k9-deputy-get-fired/

And:

In 2014, a South Carolina man fleeing from police after committing an armed robbery was attacked by a police dog. The man shot the dog several times. When he was eventually caught, each bullet he fired he fired was considered an attempted murder charge, in addition to the charge of killing the dog. He got 35 years.

[Mazin]

I bought my Can at Walmart about 8 years ago and complained about $80 per, but they still look new and get the job done. Btw I take my mini doberdoodle everywhere [Coffee]


Jk

[hurley842002]

I agree with Burt, my wife would agree with Bailey, I respect my wife's opinion, and she respects mine.

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[fitz19d]

My ex's daughter now has 8 cats in her rented condo.
The condo only allows 2 pets, but she and her new husband claim 3 each as "service" animals.

ADA has been out of control for a while.

I wouldnt say ADA is, it's everyone being scared of enforcing it or running afoul of it. For example. Cat's are not valid service animals. Currently only dogs and miniature horses are listed under ADA.

But by ADA laws only 2 questions you can really ask people. "Is this a service animal required because of a disability" and "What task is the animal trained to perform." Unfortunately there are no guidelines on what acceptable answers are. Good fakers just say it's a seizure dog. The usual idiots never encounter the 2nd question and freeze up before answering therapy animal or some such.

Under ADA there is no simple "comfort" animal aka an animal that it's mere presence is therapeutic. However gray area as what is recognized is an animal "trained to calm or distract the handler" during like a panic attack or bi-polar sperging out.

[fitz19d]

Oh and when they whip out their cards/patches/etc. No credentialing agency or anything like that is recognized by ADA either. They are 100% products bought online or bought from shitty doctor/clinic groups who have you visit once or a few times and say congrats you have a service animal. (or the very rare legitimate service animal training groups I imagine may still give their graduates vests etc even though the law doesnt require or recognize them.)

[OneGuy67]

I agree completely. Leave your damn dogs at home. Don't bring them in the car to Home Depot, then think you'd better bring it in or someone will call the cops because its too hot. Leave the damn dog at home. I tire of people bringing their animals everywhere. I don't care if they are your family; leave them at home.

I also have an issue with some of my former Soldiers who feel their short time in either sandboxes qualifies them for a service dog, even though they saw no action, saw no death and do not need a "support" dog. It is a "Hey look at me, I'm a Vet and I deserve something" type of attitude that I want to slap out of them violently.

[MrAK]

And, BTW. My "stupid animal" is a member of my family. If someone attacked my dog or harmed my dog for an unprovoked reason my response would be quite swift. Not unlike if the same person attacked my wife.

Yup, I've had my little 12lb guy for 15 of his 18 years. He's tried to protect me many times, there'll be no hesitation if I need to protect him from anyone or anything.

[Great-Kazoo]

The up side is.............they didn't leave the dog in the vehicle. [fail]

[TheBelly]

I love my dogs as if they are my own children....Didi is a registered service animal.

The difference? They stay at home when I need to leave the house.

[GilpinGuy]

The up side is.............they didn't leave the dog in the vehicle. [fail]

Good point there. Seeing dogs in cars piss me the f off.

[rondog]

We went on a vacation recently and I couldn't believe how many freakin' people I saw with dogs at DIA! Not just service dogs, but regular ol' pets. DOZENS of them! In the concourses too, not just the main terminal. At other airports too, but DIA was crazy.

[GilpinGuy]

Edit: I missed Fitz's post above.

I could be wrong here, but I believe that it's against the law to even ask if an animal is a service animal or not. Maybe that's just our corporate policy, but I've worked at a few casinos and it was the same deal at all of them.

"Don't ask. If the animal isn't housebroken or is aggressive toward other people, tell the person to remove the animal from the property. Otherwise, let them stay."

[MrPrena]

I don't like hair on my food. Now I gotta also worry about dog/cat/hamster fur on my food.

[Scanker19]

I hate "service" dogs. If you've ever seen a real service dog, you'd know it's not just Fluffy or Scraps in a goddammed orange vest. And they do things other than bark at other people/dogs/glares/etc... They should have accreditation. You can't just swing your car into a handicapped spot and say "I be disability n stuff" and it be okay. No you need a placard, not saying why, just that you do need it.

I don't like dogs where I eat so if I see one in the grocery store, mmmmmmmmm boy that's finger licking good!!!![Puke][Puke][Puke]

However full disclosure I generally hate dogs anyways...so. Also cats.

[hurley842002]

However full disclosure I generally hate dogs anyways...so. Also cats.

I thought I was the only one on the forum..

[earplug]

Statists love rules. To much liberty screws with them.

[copfish]

Having to deal with this on a daily basis, I found this (https://disabilitylawco.org/news/what-do-you-mean-fluffy-isn’t-service-dog/04-08-2016) web site a good resource. I love dogs, but they are dogs. They don't belong in restaurants or grocery stores. Asshole owners should be fined and placed in stocks for public shaming.

[funkymonkey1111]

We had one at the office I work at. Dummy bought a service dog vest and claimed it as such. The dog was no service animal. Jumped on people and was nippy.

I told the guy to control his pet many times and he would get angry for me calling it a pet. I then told him if his pet jumped on me or nipped at my that would be the end of his pet right then and there. No warning, I would just shoot it. His pet hasn't been back in a while and will not be.

HR had it under review and determined it or he wasn't qualified for said service pet.

I can't stand these pets in stores. The stores have no power for fear of coming in conflict with ADA rules. But what about employees or other patrons who may be allergic or fearful of dogs. True service dogs are well behaved and you don't notice them.

I think I am going to claim my handgun a service device. If i dont have it i get great uncontrollable anxiety and calm down by knowing I have. Why are the two pieces of property treated differently? Mine I well behave and is rarely seen, the other, not so much, plus it's dirty, brings bugs, attacks on its own, ect...

Look out, we've got a badass amongst us

[Great-Kazoo]

Edit: I missed Fitz's post above.

I could be wrong here, but I believe that it's against the law to even ask if an animal is a service animal or not. Maybe that's just our corporate policy, but I've worked at a few casinos and it was the same deal at all of them.

"Don't ask. If the animal isn't housebroken or is aggressive toward other people, tell the person to remove the animal from the property. Otherwise, let them stay."


Not so much a law, more of an unwritten rule for the hospitality industry. Trying to get an ADA room AND abletohave "pets" is impossible. Till one of the people i spoke with while making reservations explained it. He said if you say you'd like apet friendly roomyou'll be declined. Tell them you ave a service dog and GTG. I asked how can you do that , don't you require verification? Oh no sir that would cause all sorts of legal problems. Thanks to our litigious society and business afraid to offend anyone

[CS1983]

I thought I was the only one on the forum..

Count me in. My general dislike of cats stems from a cat lady grandmother combined with my severe allergies to them. I'm not so allergic to dogs, but I can't stand the way they smell.

If dogs didn't stink and were hypoallergenic, I'd be down. Thankfully, my wife is highly allergic. Even being around someone who has a cat or dog can cause her breathing problems and potentially an asthma attack. One less idiotic expense and emotional issue to deal with, being unable to have pets.

The worst is when people at work smell like cat piss. How one doesn't notice that, I have no idea.

[Lars]

I guess I'm one of those self centered assholes, but I take my dog with me to Home Depot and jax, and sportsmans warehouse. Those are the only places that she goes with me. She is always on a leash even though she minds better than 99% of the kids and is better mannered that most adults. She does not approach anyone with out me allowing her too and all the commands I give her are visual or subtle hand cues. I don't let her approach anybody unless they ask if they can pet her and she is always right on my heel.

There are a lot of people who's dogs have no business being in public on or off a leash, the owners couldn't train a paper bag to fly in the wind, but they think their dog is well behaved.

[StagLefty]

Having been a recent employee at a Lowe's I can tell you firsthand how their all pets are okay policy sucks. Pet takes a dump inside and the owner waits until their done and then just walks away. Constant dog fights-worst ones at the checkout registers. I am a dog lover but as usual common sense has no place in today's society. LEAVE THEM AT HOME !!!!!

[Skip]

I endorse this rant and would add the wonderful dog owners who leave their anklebiters out to yap all night/morning. The medium/big dogs usually don't do this but it seems the kind of person that buys a useless oversized rat doesn't care if it barks all day/night.

My wife and I both grew up with a dog bark meaning something, so an occasional meaningful bark (stranger for example) wouldn't bother me. Hours on end is too much. People used to buy dogs that were smart or could work. Now they just want cute.

One of our neighbors has six cute yapping "fur babies." :(

Another neighbor has an awesome black lab that plays with all the neighborhood kids and doesn't make a peep. Keeps the bunnies out of my yard too!

[SideShow Bob]

my only gripe is I wish they wouldn't let them piss on street light bases, switch cabinets, per boxes, or anything else I have to work on.

Sheet Lex, I would bet most all the members here and even the guests have done that at one time or another........

[Bailey Guns]

I think many Colorado Dog Owners are much like many Colorado Bicyclists on average. Entitled assholes. Notice I said "Many".

I see leash laws everywhere here, signs posted, everywhere. You know how often I see a dog on a leash? Probably less than 10% of the time when out. People have as many as three or four pits running lose everywhere I go. "Oh it's ok, they are friendly." BULLSHIT. You don't know what will provoke a loose dog, especially a pack of them. I almost killed one at the river trail once when it attacked someone elses LEASHED dog unprovoked. "Oh, he's never done that before". Yeah, they all say that. You know how hard it is to get a dog off someone or even shoot an attacking dog? If one ever did that to a child I'm not sure I could keep myself from the owner as well.

Here's the thing, entitled dog fuckfaces. (probably not you, but then again, maybe).
#1: Not everyone likes your dog. Not everyone wants it to jump on them. Some people are highly allergic to them. You're an asshole.
#2: They don't know your dog or what would provoke your dog. They don't know at what point it time it might want to bite their infants face off. You're an asshole.
#3: Outdoors is for all of us. Because of assholes like you, horse people cannot go ANYWHERE. All those nice river trails, forest service trails, etc. that have the horse sign? Yeah, you'll never see one. There's a guarantee some asshole's dog is going to harass a horse which is beyond a safety issue for the rider. They can't ride anywhere. You're an asshole. Oh and btw, even if your dog is "trained" and "wouldn't do that", the simple fact it is off a leash prevents the horse rider from going anywhere as an unleashed dog can get them killed. Sorry bro, they aren't going to trust their life to you, because you're an asshole.

In sum, LEASH your dogs. I really, truly think their needs to be an affirmative defense for civil and criminal liability in killing a dog if it was not leashed.

If it's leashed, I don't have a problem with it. If you aren't blind, it better not be in the grocery store. Home depot, not as big of an issue.

I feel the same way about most people with horses. Especially in places where the horses live in close proximity to peoples homes. Obviously people don't take horses and walk around HD or other stores. But living in a neighborhood where someone has a home on a couple of acres and keeps horses inside a small pen is just disgusting. They stink, they ruin the property, create dust issues, can contaminate wells, and they can be loud and obnoxious.

[Great-Kazoo]

Count me in. My general dislike of cats stems from a cat lady grandmother combined with my severe allergies to them. I'm not so allergic to dogs, but I can't stand the way they smell.



If dogs didn't stink and were hypoallergenic, I'd be down. Thankfully, my wife is highly allergic. Even being around someone who has a cat or dog can cause her breathing problems and potentially an asthma attack. One less idiotic expense and emotional issue to deal with, being unable to have pets.

The worst is when people at work smell like cat piss. How one doesn't notice that, I have no idea.( Hides their meth habit)


You must deal with people who don't take care of their dogs.

Standard poodles and schnauzers are a few low hypoallergenic .

[CS1983]

Wife's family had two standard poodles. She still had major problems when she lived at home prior to us getting married. I'm not talking about street dogs stinking, but dogs themselves, even when freshly bathed, to me, stink... because they smell like dogs. And dog smell stinks. Dog owners, being used to this, do not understand it. Just like smokers don't understand how much they stink until they quit smoking.

[brutal]

We went on a vacation recently and I couldn't believe how many freakin' people I saw with dogs at DIA! Not just service dogs, but regular ol' pets. DOZENS of them! In the concourses too, not just the main terminal. At other airports too, but DIA was crazy.


I don't like hair on my food. Now I gotta also worry about dog/cat/hamster fur on my food.

I don't like hair on my damn luggage or backpack either.

If you're gonna have hairy pets, at least brush off your filthy fukn clothing/jackets and luggage before going to the airport and slinging it on the conveyor. You may have started out hair free, but probably picked up a transfer from your car. Clean your shit.

We do have a small short haired cat, but I also keep several lint roller brushes at hand and never leave the house without checking myself/jacket/luggage.

[KevDen2005]

I also have an issue with some of my former Soldiers who feel their short time in either sandboxes qualifies them for a service dog, even though they saw no action, saw no death and do not need a "support" dog. It is a "Hey look at me, I'm a Vet and I deserve something" type of attitude that I want to slap out of them violently.

I see this all the time and every time its some dirt bag that was probably a horrible soldier that drove NCOs up the wall and bitched about everything. Then you have their damn dogs hair all over your uniform and when you keep telling them to put their dog somewhere they say, 'it's a service dog."

[KevDen2005]

I literally just got a text from an acquaintance that was asking about rental properties and the exact statement, "I can't believe most places won't allow dogs or cats, I can't see why. I'll have to register my dog as a service dog just to find housing."

There has to be some serious criteria on service animals, which I know nothing about. My first question would be, "What does your dog do?"

[Eggysrun]

I'm the kind of guy that wants to get in and out of the store as quickly as possible, so I leave my dog at home or in the car if I must. I will take her with me to dog friendly breweries sometimes, but that's really about it.

As for the service dog stuff, I have a big problem with how it's currently setup. Paraphrasing the law you basically cannot ask for paperwork to verify that dog is a "service dog" because it's deemed discriminatory, thus as we've seen people really abuse it and will ruin the purpose of service dogs for others.

[hurley842002]

My first question would be, "What does your dog do?"

It eases my anxiety so I can come out of my "safe space" long enough to be a functional member of society.... [sarcasm]

[KevDen2005]

It eases my anxiety so I can come out of my "safe space" long enough to be a functional member of society.... [sarcasm]

Yeah, but what DOES he do?

[Zundfolge]

I wonder if anyone else picked up on the idea that if you replaced "dog" with "gun" across much of this discussion how this could be on an Every-town forum.

[hurley842002]

I wonder if anyone else picked up on the idea that if you replaced "dog" with "gun" across much of this discussion how this could be on an Every-town forum.
I haven't suggested any additional laws or regulations on dogs, just my dislike for most of them (likely attributed to bad owners). Do what you will with your dog/family member, just realize, if it jumps on me or my children unwanted, your dog will likely be yelping.

[funkymonkey1111]

Yeah, but what DOES he do?

Mine offends muzzies and fussy candyasses. Which one are you?

[hurley842002]

I knew what path this thread was going to go down IBTL.

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[Ah Pook]

I've had many more encounters with out of control kids and bad parenting skill than bad dogs. That said, I believe it's against health code to bring animals into food service venues. I'd like find out more about ADA rules for animals. If it is illegal to discriminate against the animal, can you just ask the person to leave?

Guess I'm one of the assholes. I ask the store owners if it's ok to bring in a dog. Never been turned down. Then again, my animals are well behaved and under my control. YMMV

[Scanker19]

Gun and dog in this context is comparing apples to 1989 Camry rims. No one hear is calling for banning dogs for simple flawed logic and irrational reasons.

At its core this is about the abuse of a system meant to help people that truly need a service dog, by people that just want to circumvent the rules because....reasons...? Abused systems tend to get retarded really quick if not put in check, (Looking at you medical MJ). People are free to take their dogs to dog friendly places to their hearts content. You won't find me there.

[Scanker19]

I've had many more encounters with out of control kids and bad parenting skill than bad dogs. That said, I believe it's against health code to bring animals into food service venues. I'd like find out more about ADA rules for animals. If it is illegal to discriminate against the animal, can you just ask the person to leave?

Guess I'm one of the assholes. I ask the store owners if it's ok to bring in a dog. Never been turned down. Then again, my animals are well behaved and under my control. YMMV


https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

[DireWolf]

Its also just as much about training as need....One thing not mentioned yet is that a real SD is going to be somewhere in the realm of $50k-$100k investment between breeding & training (my understanding is that very few breeds can accept the level of training required)....

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[buffalobo]

Mine offends muzzies and fussy candyasses. Which one are you?

Knock it off or find somewhere else to post.

[MrPrena]

Gun and dog in this context is comparing apples to 1989 Camry rims. No one hear is calling for banning dogs for simple flawed logic and irrational reasons.

At its core this is about the abuse of a system meant to help people that truly need a service dog, by people that just want to circumvent the rules because....reasons...? Abused systems tend to get retarded really quick if not put in check, (Looking at you medical MJ). People are free to take their dogs to dog friendly places to their hearts content. You won't find me there.

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[earplug]

The service dog titles is the same type of blow back that occurs with stupid laws. Compare it with the various rules with firearms and various protected classes such a law enforcement, first responders and politically connected. The various classes of firearms and a private citizens ability to own them.

[Joe_K]

I think the best way to deal with thos would be to purchase the most ridiculous animal ever and claim that it is ones service animal, Boa Constrictor, Elephant, Liger, Emu, all come to mind.

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[BladesNBarrels]

From my recent continuing education:

"The FHA and Section 504 do not exclude emotional support animals from their protections.
What does this mean?

It means that people with disabilities may request a reasonable accommodation to allow an emotional support animal to live with them even if their housing has restrictions or prohibitions on pets.

The issue then becomes whether the person with a disability needs the animal in order to have an equal opportunity to use and enjoy the housing or housing program. To make this argument, the person with a disability must make a request for a reasonable accommodation to the landlord, property manager or homeowners association (HOA) and provide the following information:

Indicate that you have a disability
Request that, as a reasonable accommodation of your disability, you are seeking to have an emotional support animal live with you
Describe the relationship between your disability and the assistance the animal provides

If you can show each of these three things, a housing provider or program must permit the animal to live with you unless it can demonstrate that allowing the animal would pose an undue financial or administrative burden or would fundamentally alter the nature of the housing or program."

Though the wording indicates a landlord can attempt to demonstrate that allowing the animal poses undue financial or administrative burden, there was not a successful appeal to date.
Examples included: different types of pigs, a small pony (yes, living inside), rabbits, mice, rats, and snakes.
I did not think at the time to ask if wild or exotic animals prohibited by the Department of Wildlife might be allowed with a permit.

Interesting

[Gman]

I think the best way to deal with thos would be to purchase the most ridiculous animal ever and claim that it is ones service animal, Boa Constrictor, Elephant, Liger, Emu, all come to mind.
"This is my trained assistance hermit crab. He helps me get the tops off my medication bottles due to my arthritis."

[TheSparkens]

I have a German Shepard that does go many places with me when I do my weekend errands, Home Depot is one of those places. The why in this, is because I am also taking her to the park or for a hike or coming home from an activity that I do with her. This dog does not do a damn thing without me asking when in public. People do not get to touch her unless she sits or lays down if it is a small kid. This dog will most likely hurt you if you were too try to walk into the house if she does not know you and my wife. Why the hell can't people control there kids in public just as well. I would leave her in the truck for fifteen minutes that I would be in the store but then people would call the cops even with the windows down. I have only used positive methods to teach her and a shock only when hunting because she will get a little to focused when hunting. When asked if she is a service dog the answer is always no and then I ask if they would like me to shop somewhere if it is a store employee.

[BushMasterBoy]

I used to have a service dog. But then it killed a large neighborhood porcupine.

[yz9890]

I had a guy with an enormous "emotional support animal" removed from my plane once. The dog was so big it wouldn't fit under the seat and blocked the aisle. He lost his mind over it told me he was going to sue everyone in sight for discrimination. I showed him the relevant regulation in 14 CFR 382 that essentially says the animal can't block emergency egress and he nearly had a stroke. Airport police had to escort him off the plane.

His emotional support animal was with him the entire time but he still went crazy. I guess his dog wasn't working that day.

A passenger that was by him before boarding later told the FA that he was laughing with his girlfriend about getting their dog to Orlando for free.

To be clear, I don't care one way or another about the service animals or comfort animals on the plane. You say your monkey is there to keep you from losing your sh$# in flight then I'm fine with that. It needs to be clear of the aisle and not block anyone from emergency exit access though. And anyone with an animal of any kind (pet, service/DOD, emotional support etc) should absolutely be financially responsible if not physically responsible for cleaning up when the animal urinates or craps on a plane or in the terminal. I've lost count of how many times I've seen a dog lift a leg in the concourse.

[jhood001]

If you have a dog, train it. Train it well. Or leave it at home.



Dogs aren't mentioned in the constitution.

<Quotes of people comparing dogs to firearms would normally go here, but I'm not in the mood for wasting time on stupid>

[BPTactical]

<Quotes of people comparing dogs to firearms would normally go here, but I'm not in the mood for wasting time on stupid>



They will only beat you with their experience Justin......

[Ah Pook]

https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
Thanks for the link!

So, I just say I have PTSD and all is well?!

My town has a blind man with a seeing eye dog. He also trains other dogs for the same "occupation". Legitimate use and no one questions him.

Lard ass flat lander with a yippee chihuahua gets a pass because she claims it's a service dog. [bulls]

Once had a friend in assisted living. I would take my dogs to see him. Always stopped in at the front desk for the ok. That consisted of multiple treats before I could enter the gauntlet of elderly people who wanted some animal interaction. Literally a half hour to get through the hall. Not complaining. An hour or so with intended friend and the gauntlet on the way out. Everybody was happy. My animals had 0 service training. They did have my training.

[jhood001]

Just to clarify something for a lot of people -

'Service dog' is not the same as 'comfort dog/animal'

Service dogs are highly trained and will do whatever the hell they're told whenever the hell they're told to do it 99% of the time. The rules for obtaining that title are strict and regulated.

'Comfort' dog/animal is a title for an animal whose owner wants to be able to take it with them wherever the hell they want and filled out some sort of bullshit form and mailed it in.

They aren't the same.

I get the concept of a 'comfort' dog/animal. But they shouldn't get any passes for where they can and cannot go.

[Gman]

When I have a dog, it's a big dog, like a .45. Small dogs, like 9mm, are for women. [Sarcasm2]

[kidicarus13]

Dogs are dogs. If you want a family member, have a child. If you think any dog is more important than a human, sorry about your perspective on life.

[earplug]

roughly 14000 years of human interaction with dogs. Why the change?

[KevDen2005]

Mine offends muzzies and fussy candyasses. Which one are you?

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[Bailey Guns]

Dogs are dogs. If you want a family member, have a child. If you think any dog is more important than a human, sorry about your perspective on life.

I have no problem in saying my dog is more important to me than a lot of people. And I don't need you to feel sorry for me about that.

Some of the comments in this thread remind me why I generally enjoy the company of dogs over people.

[bradbn4]

The first thing that came to mind was there is too many of you vising Walmart at 2am [Abused]


I guess I have been lucky, when I spot a dog at Home Depot they seem to have been very well trained. Outside of Home Depot, I will see purse dogs that stay in the owners shopping cart.

We have one person at work with a service dog that is very well trained. The dog has a nice jacket on the dog to indicate "I am a service dog".

[Martinjmpr]

'Comfort' dog/animal is a title for an animal whose owner wants to be able to take it with them wherever the hell they want and filled out some sort of bullshit form and mailed it in.



Forms? Ha! [ROFL1] Not even that. You can buy a "service dog" vest online, all you need is a way to pay for it. No forms, no certification, nothing.

Wife and I are in a camping group and there are at least two people in the group who have bragged that they get to take their dogs anywhere because they bought those "service animal" vests even though the dogs are not trained in any way to provide a "service."

People who abuse the system like that are just begging for the government to step in and start regulating it.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I accept that pets provide emotional comfort and can help calm down someone about to go into hysterics but the same thing applies to 5-year-old kids and ice cream. Thing is, they never learn to get past the hysterics if they're always rewarded for the hysteria.

[wctriumph]

I like dogs, my wife likes dogs. We are just not dog people. We have cats and my wife, who is disabled, get emotional comfort from them. We allow dogs into the dealership as long as they are on a leash and ownership policy is dogs off leash must be removed from the dealership. So far, no one has had a problem with that policy when politely explained to them.

[Great-Kazoo]

I accept that pets provide emotional comfort and can help calm down someone about to go into hysterics but the same thing applies to 5-year-old kids and ice cream. Thing is, they never learn to get past the hysterics if they're always rewarded for the hysteria.

That's the fault of accepting Personal Responsibility. THERE IS NONE.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Few pages of this and I am disappointed noone posted 'Meanwhile in China, Dog Meat Festival is commencing...'

[hollohas]

And, BTW. My "stupid animal" is a member of my family. If someone attacked my dog or harmed my dog for an unprovoked reason my response would be quite swift. Not unlike if the same person attacked my wife.


Yup, I've had my little 12lb guy for 15 of his 18 years. He's tried to protect me many times, there'll be no hesitation if I need to protect him from anyone or anything.

You might feel that way about your dog, but I'm pretty sure the law doesn't feel the same way. Hell, in Colorado you can't even shoot a bear, lion or even a coyote if it attacks your dog, let alone a person who might hurt your dog.

But guess what, you CAN shoot another animal that attacks your livestock. That gives a pretty good indication regarding where dogs fall on the law's priority list.

And I like dogs. I love mine. But she doesn't go to the store with me. And if someone hurts her, I won't be responding as if I was defending a human life, because it's illegal and not equal.

PS - I don' t know what the law is in other states.

[Bailey Guns]

...nevermind.

[Grant H.]

You might feel that way about your dog, but I'm pretty sure the law doesn't feel the same way. Hell, in Colorado you can't even shoot a bear, lion or even a coyote if it attacks your dog, let alone a person who might hurt your dog.

But guess what, you CAN shoot another animal that attacks your livestock. That gives a pretty good indication regarding where dogs fall on the law's priority list.

And I like dogs. I love mine. But she doesn't go to the store with me. And if someone hurts her, I won't be responding as if I was defending a human life, because it's illegal and not equal.

PS - I don' t know what the law is in other states.

Don't go bringing facts and logic into this...

Most of the people in here that are talking about shooting people that would harm their dog are likely the same people that would talk about shooting someone that is stealing their "x" (I see it in the diesel truck world, motorcycle world, etc), which is also illegal and will get the shooter jail time.

I love animals, but I grew up on a farm, so I have a very pragmatic view of them. They are not people, they are not part of your family (ie equivalent of a human), and they are NOT worth going to jail over.

[Mazin]

Moral of the thread: Leave your pups home people

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