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I just got a survey from highlands ranch about a new building they want to build to bring artists to the community.
And today I heard on KOA the the city will let artists occupy substandard residential and commercial buildings while they are brought up to code.
What is so special about these types? Why do they get so much free money for producing stuff that offer little value to society? If their products were in demand, wouldn't they be able to make a living?
It's probably the same romantic vision politicians have with rail...
Art, when truly so, is definitely a cultural value add. Wiping one's ass with a saltine cracker and titling it "RNC appetizers" is not art.
Great-Kazoo
07-18-2017, 08:38
Tax Breaks. The city can write off X $$$ under the guise of it and other give aways. There'salways the chance some developer has an intimate relationship with one or more of the city council.
Get the place built and occupied, then kick them out. Turning said art district in to Section 8 housing.
Zundfolge
07-18-2017, 08:41
Anytime you see someone pushing to bring "artists" or "art" to your community, that's code word for leftists and leftism.
What they really want to do is bring in more leftists that will vote Democrat and suck off the tit of government (because most artists can't live off their art, because their art is shit).
Again, good ole Robert was right:
“A government-supported artist is an incompetent whore!”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
SuperiorDG
07-18-2017, 09:03
I have an artist friend, I have an eclectic group of friends, that has a book called, "How to Steal Like and Artist." Being an Artist I think gives one some license to steal or something. Like teachers I think artist bring some value to our lives, but the self validated "I should make what a CEO makes" is delusional.
I lump "artists" into the same bucket as hippie pot heads and homeless people. I don't have much use for any of them in my ideal society.
Next time an "artist" tries to justify their entitlements, just remind them that Hitler was a shitty watercolor painter too.
the city will let artists occupy substandard residential and commercial buildings while they are brought up to code
Three Words:
Oakland Warehouse Fire.
wiki link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Oakland_warehouse_fire)
Look at any art district in Denver. Started out low income and ended up gentrified. The artists will eventually get pushed out due to high rents by the artbags. My guess is the city sees it as seed money.
BushMasterBoy
07-18-2017, 10:43
Or it becomes a mosque ?
Firehaus
07-18-2017, 10:48
Look at any art district in Denver. Started out low income and ended up gentrified. The artists will eventually get pushed out due to high rents by the artbags. My guess is the city sees it as seed money.
We have a winner. Artists bring in sweat equity and an air of coolness. Want to invest in the next hot neighborhood before its hot? Follow the artists.
Belmar did the same thing with reduced rate artists studios, but most places were just the cheapest place to get creative spaces in Denver like LoHi, RiNo, Santa Fe etc.
But yes, it brings in more liberals with money who over pay for that hip neighborhood atmosphere.
Then the artists, who usually rent and not buy, get pushed to another area thats more affordable. Rinse and repeat.
I was always amazed when I found out people were pissed that their greedy landlord was kicking them out after they were great tenants for 20 years just because the neighborhood was hot now and they could get more money. <dumbasses>
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KevDen2005
07-18-2017, 11:36
I just hate it when people bring artists into stores and treat them like people....wait wrong thread
[beatdeadhorse]
[ROFL1]
Artist make the world a brighter place..............ok just puked a lil bit saying that
gnihcraes
07-18-2017, 13:10
They are turning my whole neighborhood into an art district. Called 40W (40 west - Highway 40 aka COLFAX!) But it has a cute name now. Puke. Makes Casa Bonita look good I guess.
Nice that it's cleaned things up some, but now everyone is bitching because of the lack of affordable housing. Plenty of subsidized housing already though.
They just voted down last night to put a wait of 6 months on any new apartments or condos in Lakewood. We're being overrun with large complexes (cheap built) and more people. No ownership in anything, all renters. Every empty lot is being cleansed and multi-units being built. Too bad Highlands is full.
Circuits
07-18-2017, 14:03
Next time an "artist" tries to justify their entitlements, just remind them that Hitler was a shitty watercolor painter too.
But don't forget to also remind them that Hitler was a decorated veteran, successful author, very popular public speaker and "community organizer" extraordinaire.
KevDen2005
07-18-2017, 14:05
But don't forget to also remind them that Hitler was a decorated veteran, successful author, very popular public speaker and "community organizer" extraordinaire.
Sounds like a stand up guy...wonder why he got such a bad rap....
Oh yeah, the murders.
Look at any art district in Denver. Started out low income and ended up gentrified. The artists will eventually get pushed out due to high rents by the artbags. My guess is the city sees it as seed money.
That makes sense for the Denver part, but for highlands ranch? The Lone Tree performing arts building is hardly used, so i see no need for another vacant guberment sponsored complex. HR also doesnt need to raise property values. My place has almost doubled in value in 3 years based on recent comps. They also asked about the need for meeting spaces. Plenty of private venues on that side of town, never have had an issue finding a venue between the hotels or schools.
I think the whatever you call it government in HR wants to grow out of a group of HOAs into a true city.
BushMasterBoy
07-18-2017, 16:11
If we don't have artists who will decorate the airport? The TSA?
I just hate it when people bring artists into stores and treat them like people....wait wrong thread
[beatdeadhorse]
I don't mind artists, as long as they don't crap on the floor.
RblDiver
07-18-2017, 17:28
Next time an "artist" tries to justify their entitlements, just remind them that Hitler was a shitty watercolor painter too.
I think his stuff was actually pretty good. I remember learning that he'd applied to art college, but when they rejected him, they recommended he try the school of architecture because he had a good eye for buildings. He angrily rejected their advice.
But in terms of the new law/ruling/whatever you call it, I think it makes a reasonable amount of sense. If a building has a minor code violation, you should let people still live/work there. I remember a story from New York City where a group of nuns wanted to open some sort of shelter, but were forbidden because the elevator didn't work (it was a relatively small building). Would you prefer a place stays vacant and decays, or keep people there, active upkeep, etc?
I think the idea of "artists" moving in is just the "starving artist" stereotype. I, too, think art, if done well, can lighten a place up (like Fort Collins getting electric boxes painted, those are cool), but lost of "art" is indeed junk.
OtterbatHellcat
07-18-2017, 17:34
Next time an "artist" tries to justify their entitlements, just remind them that Hitler was a shitty watercolor painter too.
This was funny as hell, thank you.
But, come on man.....we need those dancing homos at the convention center, and that ass hat blue bear peekin in the window. And that pile O shite jenga statue on the east side of I 25 near Alameda area I think. I could go on and on about this worthless crap heap of Arty ideas that just blow ass.
You guys did kinda enlighten me about the process of the low rate art studio thing that gets changed into regular shittyness. That whole area around Brighton Bvld and 38th is sure taking on that whole San Fran apartment look now too. This place really is starting to make me puke just cause of being here.
theGinsue
07-18-2017, 17:35
I don't mind artists, as long as they don't crap on the floor.
Crap on the floor is what so many "artists" these days are trying to push off as "art". Few true artists left in this world and I honestly don't care to have them in my neighborhood either due to their usual political stances and overall mentality.
Chances are the artists are the city council members unemployed gender neutral offspring and they want that shit out of their garage but are to busy encouraging to put it in the bin
I just got a survey from highlands ranch about a new building they want to build to bring artists to the community.
I think this has more to do with "Lone Tree built a center for the performing arts, so we should too."
wctriumph
07-18-2017, 19:26
Well, if I can do it, whatever it is, it is not art.
I work for a living. I guess that makes me a dumbass.
I work for a living. I guess that makes me a dumbass.
No, just a responsible adult.
newracer
07-19-2017, 08:38
This might make some of your heads explode. My sister is an artist and a teacher but she is very conservative.
SuperiorDG
07-19-2017, 09:05
Well, if I can do it, whatever it is, it is not art.
I work for a living. I guess that makes me a dumbass.
No, you just need to start "manifesting." This is what I've been told.
Well... love y'all too!
Concert cancelled.
Lol. Certain types of "artists" drive me crazy too. Lol
That makes sense for the Denver part, but for highlands ranch? The Lone Tree performing arts building is hardly used, so i see no need for another vacant guberment sponsored complex. HR also doesnt need to raise property values. My place has almost doubled in value in 3 years based on recent comps. They also asked about the need for meeting spaces. Plenty of private venues on that side of town, never have had an issue finding a venue between the hotels or schools.
I think the whatever you call it government in HR wants to grow out of a group of HOAs into a true city.
The Lone Tree center is because of the absurd amount of taxes Lone Tree gets from Schwab and the likes. They had so much money, they had to do something with it.
The Lone Tree center is because of the absurd amount of taxes Lone Tree gets from Schwab and the likes. They had so much money, they had to do something with it.
Why didn't they issue a refund to the net tax payers instead of wasting it on some bullshit.
I like good art as much as anyone else, my idea of good art probably wouldn't include anything from the 21st century though. Just like my idea of good music does not include rap or faux-country.
This might make some of your heads explode. My sister is an artist and a teacher but she is very conservative.
There ya go, ruining all the stereotypes.
I know a few good artists and a bunch of hacks.
Firehaus
07-19-2017, 13:51
There ya go, ruining all the stereotypes.
I know a few good artists and a bunch of hacks.
There are even artists on this site.
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kidicarus13
07-19-2017, 14:05
https://www.denvergov.org/content/denvergov/en/denver-development-services/commercial-projects/live-work-spaces.html
Live/Work Spaces
Turning an existing building into live/work space
Developing a live/work space is an ideal permit path for Denver’s artists and makers who look to reuse an existing building for a creative, new purpose. In many locations throughout the city, Denver’s codes enable a combination of residential living and commercial activity in the same unit. These same codes ensure public health, safety and quality-of-life for building occupants, visitors and the general public, and reduce liability for property owners and commercial tenants.
BladesNBarrels
07-19-2017, 17:42
https://www.denvergov.org/content/denvergov/en/denver-development-services/commercial-projects/live-work-spaces.html
Live/Work Spaces
Turning an existing building into live/work space
Developing a live/work space is an ideal permit path for Denver’s artists and makers who look to reuse an existing building for a creative, new purpose. In many locations throughout the city, Denver’s codes enable a combination of residential living and commercial activity in the same unit. These same codes ensure public health, safety and quality-of-life for building occupants, visitors and the general public, and reduce liability for property owners and commercial tenants.
Why is it just for artists?
Wouldn't some of the start-up entrepreneurs benefit from similar consideration,
or other professions - Lawyers, Doctors, Cowboys, Trucking Companies, and such?
GilpinGuy
07-19-2017, 17:45
Why is it just for artists?
Wouldn't some of the start-up entrepreneurs benefit from similar consideration,
or other professions - Lawyers, Doctors, Cowboys, Trucking Companies, and such?
Apparently, some artists are "special needs" types. [Coffee]
Why is it just for artists?
Wouldn't some of the start-up entrepreneurs benefit from similar consideration,
or other professions - Lawyers, Doctors, Cowboys, Trucking Companies, and such?
That was the reason of my post.
Why artists so special?
OtterbatHellcat
07-20-2017, 17:12
lol
Zundfolge
07-20-2017, 17:58
This might make some of your heads explode. My sister is an artist and a teacher but she is very conservative.
Is she surviving on government grants? Probably not ... being a conservative she probably wouldn't qualify for any of the grants since her work isn't lefty bullshit.
Technically my wife and I are professional artists (we're both graphic designers). But we're not incompetent whores :)
Boulder attracted "artists"...No, that's all I'm saying. They had a multi-colored dildo tree at the city library, but couldn't display the US flag, because it might offend somebody. Yep, that's all I'm sayin'.
.455_Hunter
07-20-2017, 20:08
Boulder attracted "artists"...No, that's all I'm saying. They had a multi-colored dildo tree at the city library, but couldn't display the US flag, because it might offend somebody. Yep, that's all I'm sayin'.
Not surprised about the dildo tree, but I am pretty sure they raise the flag in front of library everyday. I will check tomorrow morning...
theGinsue
07-20-2017, 20:31
Not surprised about the dildo tree, but I am pretty sure they raise the flag in front of library everyday. I will check tomorrow morning...
How about on campus? The campus is a .gov entity and should also fly the colors of our nation. If our flag offends folks they should consider going to any other nation (except maybe Canada as their liberalism is turning them into pussies) and ask them not to fly their national flag. In most other nations that would get you expelled quickly.
The Lone Tree center is because of the absurd amount of taxes Lone Tree gets from Schwab and the likes. They had so much money, they had to do something with it.
More like Pork Meadows Mall and the outrageous hotel taxes.
Turning said art district in to Section 8 housing.
I thought those two phrases were synonyms.
I just got a survey from highlands ranch about a new building they want to build to bring artists to the community.
And today I heard on KOA the the city will let artists occupy substandard residential and commercial buildings while they are brought up to code.
What is so special about these types? Why do they get so much free money for producing stuff that offer little value to society? If their products were in demand, wouldn't they be able to make a living?
It's probably the same romantic vision politicians have with rail...
If this is happening in your neighborhood, and you anticipate selling in the next 20 years, pat yourself on the back, it adds value and you chose wisely.
SoHo/10012 (South of Houston for the philistines that don't know what it refers to in NY) was a dump until the 'art' crowd moved in and made it the hippest, and now most costly zip code in NYC. The same could be said for just about any trendy neighborhood in any major city in the world.
As to artists making a living, be careful who you criticize, some commercial artists live in far more costly homes and make far more than those complaining about them...
Not sure my area needs these to increase property values. Newish suburb, low vacancies, and already sky rocketing property values.
Lone tree spent a lot of unnecessary money this weekend. Shut down Lincoln to roll in a pedestrian bridge from Schwab to nowhere. How they justify these bridges is beyond me. Little to no pedestrian traffic in the area.
Drove under that bridge on the way home today. It's not very high. How soon before a truck/crane runs into it?
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