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https://bluelivesmatter.blue/video-car-run-over-antifa-charlottesville/
And so is this the way the next civil war starts...
http://www.9news.com/news/nation-world/clashes-erupt-as-thousands-descend-on-charlottesville-for-unite-the-right-rally-counter-protest/463872433
This event confuses me. So is antifa a bunch of white people?
Zundfolge
08-12-2017, 16:31
edit: Looks like Charles C Johnson had the wrong state ... car had ohio plates (not Michigan) and is registered to an alleged white supremacist named James Alex Fields (of course according to the MSM, every white person to the right of Noam Chomsky is a white supremacist so take that with a grain of salt).
what are the odds that you'd have the same license plate number on the same model/color car in two different states (apparently the odds are 1:1)
He's cute. He'll be pretty popular in prison.
This event confuses me. So is antifa a bunch of white people?
Usually
68Charger
08-12-2017, 19:48
This event confuses me. So is antifa a bunch of white people?
Yes, but rittled with white guilt to offset their white privledge
This event confuses me. So is antifa a bunch of white people?
And very overweight.
Did anyone catch the ARBnB flack over this event?
And so is this the way the next civil war starts...
No. Sounds like a white guy ran over a bunch of other white people.
Great-Kazoo
08-12-2017, 23:58
No. Sounds like a white guy ran over a bunch of other white people.
MSM implies a RACIST / TRUMP SUPPORTER ran over a group of people out for a walk.
BlasterBob
08-13-2017, 06:53
Videos both have a warning of graphic material. Must have cut the graphic stuff out as it appeared pretty tame (to ME).
Oops, saw the video which did contain some graphic stuff. LESSON: If they want to march in the streets, there may be some bad consequences to pay.
Bailey Guns
08-13-2017, 07:16
Trying to get a clear picture of what actually happened in Charlottesville from the worthless media we have in this country is like trying to see thru mud.
*We have a protest of the removal of a statute of Gen Lee (a white racist slave owner) by extreme right wing, hate-filled, racist, white people who want to re-institute slavery and throw the yoke of oppression back around the neck of minorities
*We have peaceful counter-protests of the white hate by a group of rainbow coalition, all-inclusive, everyone's equal, mainstream progressives
*One of the white Nazi devils drives his car into a crowd of peace-loving people
*Justice Dept opens civil rights investigation
Is that about the size of it?
I was hoping for better from a Jeff Sessions DoJ. Guess not. Meanwhile, other non-white groups can spew all kinds of hate and attack people and call for the killing of cops and others...not a civil rights issue. I am so tired of this fucking game of one race always at fault.
ETA: Just to be clear. I don't condone racism from anyone. White or not. And, yes, if you're non-white you can still be a racist. I'm just tired of it being such a one-way street. I'm a firm believer many minorities who claim to be victims of racism are, in fact, usually racist. And they're virtually 100% leftist in their thinking. Of course, white racists are WELL represented in the ranks of the left as well. The democrat party has perpetuated racism in this country to a degree far greater than any other group.
hollohas
08-13-2017, 07:47
Here' what I've found so far.
Unite the right rally is originally shutdown.
They win in court based on the shutdown violates the 1st.
They hold the rally in a fenced in park that authorities allow to be surrounded by antifa.
The united the right protesters are assaulted as they try to reach the park through the antifa crowds.
An hour after the start of the unite the right protest, the police shut it down because of its "violence". (No violence at the protest has been reported, just people getting assaulted by antifa on their way there.)
So to clear the park, the police pushed the united the right protesters out directly into the antifa mob where things go very violent.
From what I'm reading, the police made no attempt to clear the antifa mob prior to the protest or prior to pushing the united the right out of the park. That's No beuno and a sure fire ticket for violence.
As for the car. I will reserve judgement. I haven't seen more than one video. Was the car being surrounded by the mob prior to driving through it? They say it was obviously deliberate because he backed out at high speed "to hit more people". I think it's not unreasonable to think that he may have backed out at high speed to avoid being pulled from his car and tore apart by a mob. Dunno?
Well I don't care how it's spun or which of the two sides you want to be on. I'd like to see his intestines pulled out through a little hole made with a screw driver. I couldn't see the driver through the tinted windows and I don't give a fuck who was in the driver's seat. I pray you die from asshole cancer from all the butt fucking in store.
hollohas
08-13-2017, 07:54
^wow.
hurley842002
08-13-2017, 08:04
^wow.
X2
To hell with the 6th amendment apparently...
Bailey Guns
08-13-2017, 08:28
Well I don't care how it's spun or which of the two sides you want to be on. I'd like to see his intestines pulled out through a little hole made with a screw driver. I couldn't see the driver through the tinted windows and I don't give a fuck who was in the driver's seat. I pray you die from asshole cancer from all the butt fucking in store.
I hope no one ever has the misfortune to have you sit on a jury in a trial where they're accused of wrongdoing. To say you don't care in the slightest about the circumstances, only the outcome, is simply mind-blowing. That has to be near the top of indefensible statements I've seen on this forum.
theGinsue
08-13-2017, 08:43
Here' what I've found so far.
Unite the right rally is originally shutdown.
They win in court based on the shutdown violates the 1st.
They hold the rally in a fenced in park that authorities allow to be surrounded by antifa.
The united the right protesters are assaulted as they try to reach the park through the antifa crowds.
An hour after the start of the unite the right protest, the police shut it down because of its "violence". (No violence at the protest has been reported, just people getting assaulted by antifa on their way there.)
So to clear the park, the police pushed the united the right protesters out directly into the antifa mob where things go very violent.
From what I'm reading, the police made no attempt to clear the antifa mob prior to the protest or prior to pushing the united the right out of the park. That's No beuno and a sure fire ticket for violence.
As for the car. I will reserve judgement. I haven't seen more than one video. Was the car being surrounded by the mob prior to driving through it? They say it was obviously deliberate because he backed out at high speed "to hit more people". I think it's not unreasonable to think that he may have backed out at high speed to avoid being pulled from his car and tore apart by a mob. Dunno?
That seems to pretty much cover what led up to the violence, but I did see one video of the driver where he throttled up quite a ways before he was near the crowd he ran into.
I do not support nor agree with the philosophies of groups like the white "nationalists" who held the protest, but they followed all legal avenues to exercise their right and had every right to hold their non-violent protest just as any other group would. It seems to me the manner in which the protest was broken up was designed to explicitly result in violent confrontations between the two groups. Given the narrative from the MSM and authorities where I'm hearing/reading about the violence, the white nationalists are getting all of the blame for the violence when I suspect they didn't initiate it. In videos I watched of the confrontations from these two groups, it's the ANTIFA crowd that was actually aggressive and physically attacking the other group.
As to the driver of the car that plowed into the crowd, he may well have been tired of the ANTIFA crowd blocking roadways, etc. and in those types of cases I can understand the frustration. I think his motive was actually more sinister than that though. He charged down an initially mainly empty narrow road towards the crowd, passing up at least one opportunity to drive a different route. If MSM reports are accurate on this account, he was one of the white nationalist protesters. My guess is this guy was upset over the cancelation of his protest and was probably assaulted on his way out of the event, then, after making it back to his car he decided to give back in buckets some of what he got to those he saw as the ones who assaulted him (the entire ANTIFA crowd). NOT a smart move. Regardless of his motivation, MSM and the authorities are only going to spin this one way: A white supremicist plowed his car into a group of innocent civilians to order to kill as many as possible. This guy is going to be prosecuted by public opinion before any facts are known. I'm waiting for the calls for a public execution.
Now, back to the original protest. I can't say strongly enough that I despise the philosophies of any sort of hate group to include white supremicist groups. That said, I do agree with protesting the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue. The "progressives" have it in their heads that any sign of the confederacy is a celebration of slavery and needs to be removed. I disagree. The American Civil War was a particularly dark period for this nation. Regardless of ones belief in what the cause of the war was (I believe it was about states rights, not slavery), the war happened and to seek to remove all signs of the war from the public eye removes our ability to remember what occured. The best way to help us never again go down the path to a civil war is to ensure we never forget the devastation it caused the first time it happened. Symbols, such as statues, provide essential aids as conversation starters to discuss what occured, why it occured, who was involved and how we can keep it from happening again. Of course, the removal of these symbols and the re-writing of text books and other literature depicting the war allow for an alternate meaning and historical timeline to be presented to those who don't know any better. What a sorry, sad way to advance ones agenda.
Bailey Guns
08-13-2017, 08:47
I'm OK with removing statues of Confederate heroes as long as we remove all monuments and references to slavery as well. We'll just wipe it all out and pretend none of it happened. Then maybe we can move on. [/sarcasm] (...cause someone won't get the obvious intent)
Fortunately I was excused from jury duty.
Bailey Guns
08-13-2017, 08:54
No shit. That is fortunate.
hollohas
08-13-2017, 09:04
Good post Ginsue. Very well written.
The local authorities allowed it to get out of hand this weekend. They issued statements saying the so-called "violent" alt-right protesters coming into town weren't welcome and told them to go home. That they wouldn't stand by and allow them to be there.
But not one word from authorities requesting that the buses of antifa streaming into town turn around. Not one word asking the antifa to be peaceful. Not one word condemning the anti-free speech antifa or the history of violence they bring with them.
The whole situation is messed up every which way from Sunday.
Bailey Guns
08-13-2017, 09:13
I don't think it's messed up. I think it's business as usual these days. And that's messed up.
You seem to care more for the statue. I'm just focusing on the guy intentionally running over people with his car. Yes me personally would liked to have had him shot at the scene. Much like the Jews in Israel do when they see this sort of thing. Yes when he was backing out I'd liked to have seen a cop put rounds on the attacker if possible. Stop him before anymore damage was done. Now that he was taken alive he should be given a trial found guilty on evidence. Promptly have a bag put over his head and shot outside the court house by firing squad.
Wonder if Michael Moore will make a documentary called "Bowling for Charlottesville"...
theGinsue
08-13-2017, 09:39
I'm waiting for the calls for a public execution.
Now that he was taken alive he should be given a trial found guilty on evidence. Promptly have a bag put over his head and shot outside the court house by firing squad.
Looks like I called that one correctly; I just didn't expect to see it here first.
Bailey Guns
08-13-2017, 09:43
You seem to care more for the statue. I'm just focusing on the guy intentionally running over people with his car. Yes me personally would liked to have had him shot at the scene. Much like the Jews in Israel do when they see this sort of thing. Yes when he was backing out I'd liked to have seen a cop put rounds on the attacker if possible. Stop him before anymore damage was done. Now that he was taken alive he should be given a trial found guilty on evidence. Promptly have a bag put over his head and shot outside the court house by firing squad.
I see you have a deep understanding of the judicial process in this country and the US Constitution. You'll come in mighty handy when the leftists like Kathleen Rice take over and start hiring Secret Police...you know, to protect the country.
Things were so much simpler back when we just had the KKK and the Black Panthers.
theGinsue nails it. Thanks!
The MSM, of course, is doing their best to influence those that only read headlines;
"3 dead amid clashes at white nationalist gathering in Va."
Also on Saturday, two state police officers died when their helicopter crashed on the outskirts of town. Berke M.M. Bates of Quinton, Va., was the pilot, and H. Jay Cullen of Midlothian, Va., was a passenger, according to officials. State police said their Bell 407 helicopter was assisting with the unrest in Charlottesville. Bates died one day before his 41st birthday; Cullen was 48.
Yeah, unrelated to the car plowing into the crowd, but it's more sensational that way.
You seem to care more for the statue. I'm just focusing on the guy intentionally running over people with his car. Yes me personally would liked to have had him shot at the scene. Much like the Jews in Israel do when they see this sort of thing. Yes when he was backing out I'd liked to have seen a cop put rounds on the attacker if possible. Stop him before anymore damage was done. Now that he was taken alive he should be given a trial found guilty on evidence. Promptly have a bag put over his head and shot outside the court house by firing squad.
I see that you're very upset about this situation, and the people injured and killed during what turned out to be a very messed-up situation. Believe me when I say that you're not alone; despite the reasoning and the discussions that will branch off from this incident, people were hurt. Lives were affected.
I think it may be good to take a step back and process, rather than posting about the violence you would like to see done to the driver. This is not a Saw movie, nor is it a place for revenge fantasies. Please understand that there are incidents where we all have to take a step back and breathe, instead of posting how we really feel or what we really want to see happen to someone. As this is a public forum, in which anyone may see what is written, discretion is the key to alleviating misunderstandings.
Again, I am not trying to minimize how you feel about this situation- I just think it's prudent not to have anyone stumble across a post where the heat of anger blasts away everything else.
I think I'm learning a few things.
Alt-right is another word made up by the leftist media to connect leftists they don't care for with the right-wing, in this case the perp (who is most probably a nazi, white supremacist type of scumbag) is described as "right-wing" when that description couldn't be further from the truth. Nobody, and I mean nobody likes nazis, that much is true.
White nationalism is another word for nazis and white supremacists (white power, aryans), these people are no different than the despicable maggots that populate the black-lives-matter groups and la raza. They all deserve each other.
This Charlottesville get together shows us that nationalist socialists are still smarting over the fact that during WWII their philosophical cousins, the communists, kicked their asses with a great loss of life on both sides. The conflict between antifa and neo-nazis is deeply rooted, each wants to control the advance of global socialism, neither abides by The Constitution, neither accepts natural rights, both are wholly ignorant of their own histories, both are totalitarian, and both are responsible for the murders of millions of people across the globe.
What I find ironic is that antifa is copied from hitler's own brownshirts and yet antifa faciscts condemn nazi fascism. Like one kind of facism is better than another, or one kind of socialism is better than another, these conflicts are about power and control.
Do you see how twisted the leftist media is and how they sow confusion? Do you see how easy it is to bamboozle the American public?
http://www.thediplomad.com/2017/08/the-hate.html
Now, let me be very clear. I think, in no uncertain terms, that if you live in a Western country and you go around waving Nazi or Communist flags, or espousing Nazi or Communist ideology, you are a Moron. Period. You are not a person to be taken seriously as a thinker or problem solver.
I think I'm learning a few things.
Alt-right is another word made up by the leftist media to connect leftists they don't care for with the right-wing, in this case the perp (who is most probably a nazi, white supremacist type of scumbag) is described as "right-wing" when that description couldn't be further from the truth. Nobody, and I mean nobody likes nazis, that much is true.
White nationalism is another word for nazis and white supremacists (white power, aryans), these people are no different than the despicable maggots that populate the black-lives-matter groups and la raza. They all deserve each other.
This Charlottesville get together shows us that nationalist socialists are still smarting over the fact that during WWII their philosophical cousins, the communists, kicked their asses with a great loss of life on both sides. The conflict between antifa and neo-nazis is deeply rooted, each wants to control the advance of global socialism, neither abides by The Constitution, neither accepts natural rights, both are wholly ignorant of their own histories, both are totalitarian, and both are responsible for the murders of millions of people across the globe.
What I find ironic is that antifa is copied from hitler's own brownshirts and yet antifa faciscts condemn nazi fascism. Like one kind of facism is better than another, or one kind of socialism is better than another, these conflicts are about power and control.
Do you see how twisted the leftist media is and how they sow confusion? Do you see how easy it is to bamboozle the American public?
http://www.thediplomad.com/2017/08/the-hate.html
Agreed
Zundfolge
08-14-2017, 09:36
Alt-right is another word made up by the leftist media to connect leftists they don't care for with the right-wing...
That's how the leftist media uses "alt-right" but the word was made up by Richard Spencer (who is a white nationalist ... which is unsavory, but not as bad as a white supremacist).
But yeah, any white person to the right of Noam Chomsky is a "White Supremacist" according to these people.
Oh and if Trump is "responsible" for the violence in VA, then Obama, Clinton and Bernie are responsible for James T. Hodgkinson (and why does Hodgkinson only get a middle initial when every other attempted assassin gets their full name?)
Looks like I called that one correctly; I just didn't expect to see it here first.
You must have your blinders on..
That's how the leftist media uses "alt-right" but the word was made up by Richard Spencer (who is a white nationalist ... which is unsavory, but not as bad as a white supremacist).
But yeah, any white person to the right of Noam Chomsky is a "White Supremacist" according to these people.
Oh and if Trump is "responsible" for the violence in VA, then Obama, Clinton and Bernie are responsible for James T. Hodgkinson (and why does Hodgkinson only get a middle initial when every other attempted assassin gets their full name?)
Thank you for the correction.
White Nationalist
White Supremacist
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Black Lives Matter
All these labels take the race of a person as first consideration.
Why would anyone but a racist join any of these organizations?
Why would anyone but a racist join any of these organizations?
Because they have been conditioned by the media or their isolated groups to believe they are in fact not the racist, everyone else is. It is brainwashing. I guess if it made sense it means you drank the Koolaid...
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1491911907512900&id=203805062990264
Good summation of the whole situation by Matt Walsh of The Blaze shared by Shapiro
From what I understand, the white supremacist rally obtained permits for their demonstration that was in a fenced in area. Did the counter-protestors obtain permits for their demonstration?
So much for freedom of speech. Once one group is prevented from speaking, all groups can be prevented.
Texas A&M abruptly cancels planned white nationalist rally (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-aandm-abruptly-cancels-planned-white-nationalist-rally/ar-AAq4fS4)
AUSTIN, Texas — Texas A&M University late Monday abruptly canceled a planned white supremacist rally on its campus next month, amid bipartisan pressure from state lawmakers who said hatred should be rejected in all forms — despite First Amendment protections.
An announcement on the House floor by Republican Rep. John Raney said A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp had opted to scuttle the event set for Sept. 11 because of concerns police would be stretched thin providing security. The A&M System confirmed the cancellation and was working on a statement.
A former A&M student named Preston Wiginton had been organizing a "white lives matter" rally in College Station, Texas, saying he was inspired by Saturday's "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, when a vehicle plowed into a group of counterprotesters, killing at least one and injuring 19.
Seems weird to me that they're saying this was in Austin, TX. That's where the University of Texas is located, not Texas A&M.
Protesters topple Confederate statue in North Carolina (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/protesters-topple-confederate-statue-in-north-carolina/ar-AAq6sgV)
WNCN (http://wncn.com/2017/08/14/protesters-rally-against-confederate-monument-in-front-old-durham-county-courthouse/) reports the statue was dedicated in Durham in 1924 and was located in front of a local government building.The statue represented a soldier who fought in the Civil War and an inscription on the front read "The Confederate States of America."
One organizer of the protest told WNCN that toppling the statue was in response to the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va. this weekend.
"It needs to be removed," organizer Loan Tran told the news station. "These Confederate statues in Durham, in North Carolina, all across the country."
Let's pretend that the Civil War never happened. What could possibly go wrong with that?
Bailey Guns
08-14-2017, 19:42
This whole thing has me so angry I can hardly see straight. The left has fucked up this country to the point it will never recover. If liberals were a race I'd be the biggest racist in the country because I absolutely despise liberalism. I hate it. I'm so tired of seeing the double standards in play, the hypocrisy, the denials by the left of their true nature and the revisionist history they peddle. I wanna crawl under a rock and never hear of this kind of crap again.
The concentration camps in Europe need to be bulldozed and removed. They make me sad because they remind me how evil human beings can be. Having these places preserved hurts my feelings.
I'm so pleased that the MSM has banded together to not show the 9/11 video of domestic passenger aircraft flying into the World Trade Center. That makes the realities of the world that I live in too real and frightens and angers me. Can't we just get over it and move forward?
[Sarcasm2]
hollohas
08-14-2017, 19:58
This whole thing has me so angry I can hardly see straight. The left has fucked up this country to the point it will never recover. If liberals were a race I'd be the biggest racist in the country because I absolutely despise liberalism. I hate it. I'm so tired of seeing the double standards in play, the hypocrisy, the denials by the left of their true nature and the revisionist history they peddle. I wanna crawl under a rock and never hear of this kind of crap again.Exactly how I feel.
Liberalism (the extreme variety that has now become the standard) is a mental disorder. It's truly insane. It makes ZERO sense. It's a mental illness...There is no other way to explain it. These people are straight up nuts.
Zundfolge
08-14-2017, 20:30
Apparently the guy that organized the "unite the right" rally was an Obama supporter and Occupy activist before he became involved in the white nationalist movement ... that seems suspicious to me.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m
Apparently the guy that organized the "unite the right" rally was an Obama supporter and Occupy activist before he became involved in the white nationalist movement ... that seems suspicious to me.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m
We have a bingo
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232300
What If 'Unite The Right' Isn't Really Right?
What if it's all a scam?
What if Jason Kessler isn't really a right-wing extremist?
What if Jason Kessler used to be involved with Occupy Wall Street and was a strong Obama supporter -- right up until, quite-literally to the day, Trump won the election?
What if he's nothing more than a stooge?
In other words, what if Jason Kessler is just a plain old-fashioned *******-for-hire?
Hmmmm.....
<snip>
Apparently the guy that organized the "unite the right" rally was an Obama supporter and Occupy activist before he became involved in the white nationalist movement ... that seems suspicious to me.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m
LOL
Maybe he still is an obama supporter, just did this to restart the false narrative that nazis and white supremacists are right wing... This is so convoluted, I'm sure additional facts will come to light over time.
Zundfolge
08-15-2017, 09:25
I'm sure additional facts will come to light over time.
[ROFL2][ROFL3]
Bailey Guns
08-15-2017, 10:00
I'm sensing some cynicism...
Zundfolge
08-15-2017, 11:38
https://youtu.be/PVOg3ti5MLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvVkHIbU8N0
Related.... JFC I don't usually watch this guy. (Closer to legit bad kind of alt right etc, and after the first few minutes gets a little stupid/innapropriate) But no wonder these kids grow up to be crazy/fight police etc. Brainwashing small children to hyperventilate and I'm sure plays into the random facebook/twitter posts with them stating "I can't stand white people" etc.
https://youtu.be/ggEKsLRR32Q
JohnnyDrama
08-15-2017, 19:13
Listening to the back and forth between the media, politicians, other aggrieved parties (for whatever reason), and the President makes me think of a teacher trying to mediate an argument among kindergarteners who just don't understand that two wrongs don't make a right.
It doesn't matter what side you are on, because when you show up to a protest with shields, helmets, clubs, etc... you are not there to protest. Where were the police? Where was the National Guard?
When I worked in DC, we had a charge that was often tossed after arrest but was semi effective to justify arrests: Wearing hoods or masks http://dccode.org/simple-2012/sections/22-3312.03.html
When people wanted to carry signs, they could but the wood posts were not allowed. Screening protesters often helped us later on when some wanted to turn their protest into a riot. One of the best tools for separating groups was the use of well trained mounted units. Ten horses turned sideways and walking sideways can push a lot of people. If they want to play, the mounted officers could always wheel and trot which would normally drive a crowd and piecemeal the group to isolate the agitators for teams to move on them.
I don't blame the police in Charlottesville, but they were charged with keeping order and maintaining public safety. They obviously failed last weekend. I hope lessons are learned and this type of violence is not repeated.
I can't take credit for it but I worked for an official who would often tell protest organizers, "We want you to be heard not hurt."
Be safe.
My mother had a saying that she conveyed to us, "It takes 2 to tango." One group obtained a permit to have a demonstration and exercise their 1st Amendment rights, if you agree with what they were saying or not. The other showed up to pick a fight.
The fact that the MSM and a bunch of lame politicians are pointing fingers at Trump and are accusing him of siding with the white supremacists are themselves choosing sides. The fact that Trump is condemning the violence on both sides is the correct argument IMO.
Whenever someone says something that the leftists don't approve of, the leftists respond with violence. The threat of violence shuts down the opposing view because of fear. That's their MO, and that's the side that the MSM is advancing every day. The MSM breeds this conflict...and then reports on it like they had no hand in it. Rush Limbaugh's term for the MSM, 'the drive-by media', is dead-on.
hurley842002
08-15-2017, 21:04
Today Trump called it for what it was, and our very own Corey Gardner chose to side with the media and leftist thugs, be sure to let him know of your disapproval.
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Zundfolge
08-15-2017, 21:07
Today Trump called it for what it was, and our very own Corey Gardner chose to side with the media and leftist thugs, be sure to let him know of your disapproval.
Corey Gardner is the epitome of a "cuck". Always has been (but yeah, I'll still vote for him over a demonrat because the Senate is too damn close)
Bailey Guns
08-15-2017, 21:14
I've started calling the media the PDDP: Propaganda Directorate of the Democrat Party. Because that's what they are. Goebbels would be proud.
hollohas
08-15-2017, 21:16
While I don't think the police did anything to encourage the violence like some of the folks there have suggested, they certainly didn't help and I'd even say they failed. Either do to bad training, bad prep, bad command or something, but they failed.
I mentioned earlier about the "alt-right" being assaulted on the way in and the way out. Here's a diagram showing why. The authorities messed up from the get go. This setup was asking for trouble.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170816/a5f97e67ad9b0e0525545d77f29bff43.jpg
This image is from a blog post below. The writer accuses the police of being ordered to do this, which I simply don't believe. But ignoring that, this is a fairly good write-up from the other point of view the media simply won't report.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/pax-dickinson-virginia-state-police-had-explicit-orders-to-drive-unite-the-right-into-the-antifa-so-wed-be-assaulted/
Another blog with basically the same info.
https://virginiafreemen.com/2017/08/12/charlottesville-aar/
And a non-mainstream news article.
https://www.circa.com/story/2017/08/14/nation/charlottesville-was-a-perfect-storm-for-violence
I don't trust many blogs, and they are clearly biased as well, but there doesn't seem to be any other way to get the story from the other side. This whole thing is hushed because of the racism element.
There is no doubt, the antifa left is absolutely a catalyst to violence wherever they show up.
Great-Kazoo
08-16-2017, 00:13
I'll say it again, and again.
This isn't about the morons who believe they are superior to anyone else, color, religion and ideology.
It's the blatent Coup De Tat we've seen percolating since the evening of the 2016 election. Big money, those inside the beltway, those in the media who hoped HRC won. Along with R's (in name only) who took it up the arse that same night when a non politician won, in an Electoral Landslide.
Someone "they" cannot control who is playing his own game and not that one politicians have been playing since elections began.
They want him gone, by any means necessary.
If trump had every nazi believer and supporter rounded up, put in front of a firing squad. It still wouldn't appease them. Why? Because Trump would still be POTUS.
I agree with the late Lewis Grizzard on such people. Lock them up in a stadium and put it on pay-per-view. I feel no sympathies or affiliation to either party. Both represent extreme sides of an issue and end up appearing all too alike. Why is it getting hot and why are we in this handbasket...... bad times ahead
I'll say it again, and again.
This isn't about the morons who believe they are superior to anyone else, color, religion and ideology.
It's the blatent Coup De Tat we've seen percolating since the evening of the 2016 election. Big money, those inside the beltway, those in the media who hoped HRC won. Along with R's (in name only) who took it up the arse that same night when a non politician won, in an Electoral Landslide.
Someone "they" cannot control who is playing his own game and not that one politicians have been playing since elections began.
They want him gone, by any means necessary.
If trump had every nazi believer and supporter rounded up, put in front of a firing squad. It still wouldn't appease them. Why? Because Trump would still be POTUS.
I'm thinking the same thing. With reports coming out that the "alt right" organizer of the rally in Virginia having been "alt right" for less than a year and a left leaning operative up until Trumps election, my eyebrows are starting to be raised. Factor in that almost every left leaning group at the counter protest is being bankrolled by Soros and I have a hard time believing that this isn't all just some sick dog and pony show.
Zundfolge
08-16-2017, 09:26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fntc6ixzJw8
Baltimore's four Confederate monuments are removed under cover of darkness (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4795740/Four-Confederate-monuments-removed-Baltimore.html)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/16/15/434C6D2D00000578-0-image-m-7_1502892183251.jpg
Reminds me of this
http://www.3ders.org/images2014/historical-artifacts-destroyed-iraq-restored-3d-modeling-4.jpg
Karl Denninger puts it like this:
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232302
To The Press, The Pols And The Rest
Let me say this just one more time:
That someone is a Neo-Nazi, a White Supremacist, KKK member or racist does not render them bereft of the First Amendment. Just as being a member of BLM or the Antifa does not render them bereft of the First Amendment.
It is not acceptable, legal or excusable to meet speech by any such person with violence.
Period.
To suggest, state, or advocate that such is the case, or to promote the premise that violence is an appropriate remedy for speech you find vile and outrageous is to declare civil war, because there are others who will likely find your speech vile and outrageous and by your statement you have made the claim that just punishment for speech you deem vile is to be found at the hands of a mob.
The press and now lawmakers are openly advocating for the complete breakdown of civil society -- they are stating by the droves that violence in response to mere speech that one finds offensive yet has the protection of the First Amendment is not only worthy of said violence the person uttering same is not worthy of having their assailants prosecuted or the protection and investigation of the police forces to interdict violence intended for or served upon them.
These people are explicitly refusing to call on the carpet Governor McAuliffe and everyone in the chain of command from the Charlottesville PD upward who were involved in any way in intentionally funneling opposing protesters into each other, knowing that some of them were armed and then allowed said PD to sit back and withdraw when violence occurred.
Let me remind you that not only did the "alt-right" people have a permit the city attempted to revoke it and their action was struck down by a Federal Judge who granted an injunction against the city. The organizers not only requested and received the promise of public law enforcement support a judge signed an order demanding same -- an order that was then intentionally disobeyed by everyone from McAuliffe on down and, as a direct and proximate result, multiple deaths and myriad injuries occurred.
In fact these same members of the press and lawmakers, who I have now lost count of, are in fact stating that it is perfectly acceptable for the police to intentionally ignore persons initiating and committing violence against those who speak in a way that someone finds offensive, and even worse, to intentionally foment violent confrontations between these groups due to their direct actions and deliberate inactions, and further it is completely acceptable for all of the above law enforcement and civil officials to ignore the lawful orders of a Federal Judge.
May I remind said members of the press, politicians and others that their speech is often found offensive by someone, and that if they advocate for and promote this rank lawlessness and blatantly unconstitutional behavior they will have nobody but themselves to blame when, not if, the nation erupts into violence on a level not seen in America since the 1860s and their homes, businesses and entire cities are sacked by persons who are aggrieved by their mere speech.
I have never in my life believed -- until today -- that we would see such an event in this nation again.
Today I fully expect it to happen and when this outcome occurs it will lay at the feet of the press and lawmakers.
There has only been one person thus far -- President Trump -- with the balls to make the statement in public that violence in response to speech is never acceptable. For this you excoriate him.
He's right, you're wrong, and your course of action is begging for the literal destruction of our society.
Delfuego
08-16-2017, 09:52
Good.
We need statues of Robert E Lee as much as we need statues of Charles Cornwallis.
Zundfolge
08-16-2017, 10:11
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fOxIJ-7snsM/WZQHVfI7ayI/AAAAAAADBuQ/R3JR5zsbHEs6mPynRCZNPV2EitjlVACBgCLcBGAs/s1600/veterans%2Ball.jpg
It's rare that I read one sentence which makes me question a persons perspective on history and their comprehension of past events. This sure as hell does though.
Good.
We need statues of Robert E Lee as much as we need statues of Charles Cornwallis.
hurley842002
08-16-2017, 10:19
It's rare that I read one sentence which makes me question a persons perspective on history and their comprehension of past events. This sure as hell does though.
Just ignore him...
Delfuego
08-16-2017, 10:21
You guys want a second place ribbon?
http://www.usflag.org/historical/scross.gif
Here you go...
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/08/15/us/15counterprotest1/15counterprotest1-master768.jpg
Say what you will, they are on the street and have been committing violence for well over a year now. Perfect cover from the press and support from the socials. This is the spear of the 47%, well funded, and they aren't going anywhere until someone is willing to shoot them in the face on a two-way range. It will only escalate.
These are not people merely resisting Trump. These are full blooded Communists who knowingly own the legacy of their forebears (millions of innocent dead). No, there's no debate over this and no changing their mind because they destroyed the marketplace of ideas with their safe spaces and hate speech.
Meanwhile, the rest of us go to work in their fields and factories, paying the taxes that sustain them. Soros doesn't have a care in the world. His son parties with the wealthy elite.
I guess we'll just have to vote harder, right?
http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/mitt_romney_antifa_tweet.jpg
UrbanWolf
08-16-2017, 10:26
I am sad to see what's happening to our country.
You guys want a second place ribbon?
http://www.usflag.org/historical/scross.gif
Here you go...
Are you always this intimidated by the losing side?
Are you always this intimidated by the losing side?
I suspect he was intimidated by the Easter Bunny.
http://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18740450_1450545118336272_8606542803450835981_n.jp g?oh=dca5c7dfbcb04434105d9be2322d9d34&oe=5A1D6959
You guys want a second place ribbon?
http://www.usflag.org/historical/scross.gif
Here you go...
You're late to your appointment
https://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-16-at-1.06.40-PM.png
Zundfolge
08-16-2017, 13:27
I've only ever blocked two users on this site.
Zundfolge
08-16-2017, 13:59
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19787/protester-who-toppled-durham-confederate-statue-emily-zanotti
[Nelson Muntz]HA HA![/Nelson Muntz]
Scanker19
08-16-2017, 14:26
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fOxIJ-7snsM/WZQHVfI7ayI/AAAAAAADBuQ/R3JR5zsbHEs6mPynRCZNPV2EitjlVACBgCLcBGAs/s1600/veterans%2Ball.jpg
Im glad people are finally pointing this out. The comparisons of Confederates to others i.e. Nazis, don't hold water on the same field of logic. In essence the confederates were always American. Their deaths are counted as American deaths for the civil war, thus making it the deadliest war for America to date. Regardless of the side they were still soldiers. Soldiers rarely have the luxury of deciding and/or fighting for the politics or the ideals of their country. Not to say they can't, just that they don't have to. So to disrespect a soldier that fought (honorably) for their country, regardless of country, is a bit in the direction of lacking class.
The great irony of this whole thing is that the fights about the first civil war, very well may undoubtably cause the second.
Zundfolge
08-16-2017, 15:05
The great irony of this whole thing is that the fights about the first civil war, very well may undoubtably cause the second.
I suspect that's not a bug, its a feature.
buffalobo
08-16-2017, 16:26
Personal attacks on other members will not end well for any involved. Do not let it escalate.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
Just as soon as all these monuments are removed the KKK will be able to deny any of it ever happened.
Bailey Guns
08-16-2017, 16:54
Good.
We need statues of Robert E Lee as much as we need statues of Charles Cornwallis.
If I can't say anything nice I won't say anything at all. Apologies for losing my temper.
Zundfolge
08-16-2017, 16:58
Just as soon as all these monuments are removed the KKK will be able to deny any of it ever happened.
DING DING DING DING DING
Pick your prize:
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clodhopper
08-16-2017, 17:19
I am regularly disappointed by the fact that the remnants of dark periods in our history must be cleansed, rather than protecting them for history as proof of horrible things that should be remembered and avoided. I would encourage the creation of monuments representing the major failures of humans in history, to remind us not to ever do it again. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, ...... or so I heard somewhere.
BladesNBarrels
08-16-2017, 17:27
"Deliberate destruction and theft of cultural heritage has been conducted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant since 2014 in Iraq, Syria, and to a lesser extent in Libya.
The destruction targets various places of worship under ISIL control and ancient historical artifacts.
In Iraq, between the fall of Mosul in June 2014 and February 2015, ISIL has plundered and destroyed at least 28 historical religious buildings.
Valuable items from some buildings were looted in order to smuggle and sell them to finance ISIS activities."
Same people that decried this destruction are probably the ones burning ivory and destroying the monuments of the Civil War.
Maybe also the same ones that shudder in horror when history talks about the book-burinings in Hitler's Germany.
[blaster]
hollohas
08-16-2017, 19:21
I enjoyed reading this blog. Particularly this part...
Illegally pulling down statues of Confederate soldiers and taking videos of “brave” unemployed liberal arts major social justice warriors kicking the Confederate soldier is what passes for activism in today’s warped society. Liberal mayors and city councils across the south are falling all over themselves wasting time and taxpayer money to remove statues of Confederate generals to appease the left and make a display of how anti-racist they can be. Meanwhile, their cities are bankrupt, their infrastructure is decaying, black crime is rampant and their education systems matriculate functionally illiterate deranged snowflakes into society
And this part.
The funniest part about watching these social justice warriors wail and gnash their teeth about the racism of these monuments is knowing these unemployed functional illiterates couldn’t tell you when the Civil War occurred, name two major battles, name five generals, provide a death count within 250,000, or fill in the blank in the phrase Surrender at __________. They don’t know jack shit about history, the Civil War, Lincoln’s true feelings about blacks, or the fact the Democratic Party is the party which suppressed blacks for one hundred years following the Civil War. Only truly ignorant snowflakes think they can erase history by protesting it and trying to destroy monuments to those who fought and died for a cause they believed in.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/08/15/functional-illiterates-trying-to-erase-history/
hollohas
08-16-2017, 19:32
And now the antifa are getting headline puff pieces. These dirtbags are getting emboldened. Not good.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170817/5758c6ed54a89445fc4c777d2e557042.jpg
Great-Kazoo
08-16-2017, 20:17
And now the antifa are getting headline puff pieces. These dirtbags are getting emboldened. Not good.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170817/5758c6ed54a89445fc4c777d2e557042.jpg
Bet you don't see one of their employers firing them.
Oh wait, they don't have jobs
68Charger
08-16-2017, 20:55
Oh wait, they don't have jobs
Sure they do, paid agitators working for Soros through dummy organizations.
I am regularly disappointed by the fact that the remnants of dark periods in our history must be cleansed, rather than protecting them for history as proof of horrible things that should be remembered and avoided. I would encourage the creation of monuments representing the major failures of humans in history, to remind us not to ever do it again. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, ...... or so I heard somewhere.
Then put the statues in a museum. They don't need to be in a public park like some virtuous warrior who fought to ensure freedom for all.
Bailey Guns
08-16-2017, 22:05
Ridge, I'm guessing you don't have the slightest idea what the Civil War was really about. Why are you so offended by a statue honoring an American general that died 150 years ago? Why are you so offended by American History? What is it about this country that offends you so much?
Ridge, I'm guessing you don't have the slightest idea what the Civil War was really about. Why are you so offended by a statue honoring an American general that died 150 years ago? Why are you so offended by American History? What is it about this country that offends you so much?
States rights blah blah blah including the right to own another person.
The South lost.
Bailey Guns
08-16-2017, 22:25
So you don't know. OK. It's apparent you have no interest in the truth or in the history of the country. I hear they need help tearing down the George Washington statue in Chicago.
States rights blah blah blah including the right to own another person.
The South lost.
So what do you do with Washington and Jefferson?
When Europeans arrived in this country, the indigenous people here had slaves. Slavery was the norm for thousands of years across the world. Americans didn't invent it.
I see the methods of fascism...but it's from the side saying they're against it.
68Charger
08-16-2017, 22:44
Then put the statues in a museum. They don't need to be in a public park like some virtuous warrior who fought to ensure freedom for all.
Was that enscribed on the statue?
Then you are inserting your own prejudice...
Sure they do, paid agitators working for Soros through dummy organizations.
Yup
Then put the statues in a museum. They don't need to be in a public park like some virtuous warrior who fought to ensure freedom for all.
Are you implying that we should also be removing various Union statues?
clodhopper
08-17-2017, 08:44
The South lost.
Winner decides history, right?
71682
Sure they do, paid agitators working for Soros through dummy organizations.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-16/why-was-crowd-hire-company-recruiting-25-hour-political-activists-charlotte-last-wee
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2017/08/16/2017.08.16%20-%20Protest%201_1_0.jpg
So what is "Crowds on Demand?" According to their own website, they're in the business of sourcing large crowds of people to "provide clients with protests, rallies, [and] flash-mobs" all over the country. They even have an entire page on their website dedicated to "Protests and Rallies."
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BPTactical
08-17-2017, 10:04
Nazis
Pol Pot
Taliban
Social Justice Warriors
ANTIFA
Just a couple examples of "tolerance"
This crap sickens me.
Anything else I would say would cause the loss of my account.
CobaltSkink
08-17-2017, 14:51
I was at King Soopers this afternoon.
They were playing White Nationalist theme songs sympathetic to slavery and slave-owners!!!!!!
Trigger words: Robert E Lee, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"
I will never shop there again!!!!!
(Until next payday.)
So you don't know. OK. It's apparent you have no interest in the truth or in the history of the country. I hear they need help tearing down the George Washington statue in Chicago.
Maybe they can move the statue to your front yard between Benedict Arnold and Tojo?
You know why there are no monuments to Tojo and Yamamoto in Japan? Because they don't see any honor in defeat.
These statues are more akin to putting one of Yamamoto up near the USS Arizona.
Maybe they can move the statue to your front yard between Benedict Arnold and Tojo?
You know why there are no monuments to Tojo and Yamamoto in Japan? Because they don't see any honor in defeat.
These statues are more akin to putting one of Yamamoto up near the USS Arizona.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/HY3AC4/statue-of-admiral-isoroku-yamamoto-nagaoka-niigata-japan-HY3AC4.jpg
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-statue-of-admiral-isoroku-yamamoto-nagaoka-niigata-japan-137142324.html
Touche
The snowflakes have taken over Japan and it's rich culture!
I am truly amazed at people's arrogant lack of basic history knowledge.
Understanding takes time and study, but basic knowledge is right there at their fingertips.
It is this willful blindness that presents itself through haughty ignorance that makes me sad for the future.
History cannot be erased; too often ignored, but never erased.
And here's a puppy:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp-content/uploads/sites/56/2017/07/19657233_1385094144940281_2696889260509718512_n-218x300.jpg
Bailey Guns
08-17-2017, 20:40
Maybe they can move the statue to your front yard between Benedict Arnold and Tojo?
You know why there are no monuments to Tojo and Yamamoto in Japan? Because they don't see any honor in defeat.
These statues are more akin to putting one of Yamamoto up near the USS Arizona.
Have you ever been to Japan? I have. 3 years courtesy of the USAF. I can assure you there are statues of their war heroes there.
ETA: I see davsel beat me to it.
Great-Kazoo
08-17-2017, 20:42
ok this hysteria has gotten out of hand
I waved to a friend across the street today. Was attacked by 1/2 doz people for doing a nazi salute
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.R-ObT8uRt29qEfgR8B8QmwEsDh&pid=15.1&P=0&w=273&h=206
Bailey Guns
08-17-2017, 20:46
These statues are more akin to putting one of Yamamoto up near the USS Arizona.
That is one of the most asinine things you've ever posted.
Do you have any idea what this is, Ridge, and where it's located?
https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/08/18/Local-Politics/Images/ConfederateArlingtonKessler03.JPG?uuid=DjJyJoNgEee eeiD6jXoNtg
Scanker19
08-17-2017, 21:03
ok this hysteria has gotten out of hand
I waved to a friend across the street today. Was attacked by 1/2 doz people for doing a nazi salute
Guys, I've had it up to here (raises hand in the air) with these damn nazi jokes.
Bah, it's a Bellamy salute.
hurley842002
08-17-2017, 21:14
Guys, I've had it up to here (raises hand in the air) with these damn nazi jokes.
On a side note, glad to see you posting more often.
BPTactical
08-17-2017, 21:17
Have you seenkile?
Anybody?
buffalobo
08-17-2017, 21:29
Guys, I've had it up to here (raises hand in the air) with these damn nazi jokes.
On a side note, glad to see you posting more often.+1
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
Scanker19
08-17-2017, 21:38
On a side note, glad to see you posting more often.
Thanks, watching is only so fun. Sometimes I have to join the party too.
GilpinGuy
08-17-2017, 22:08
Just so I'm following here....
There are no white supremacists or ANTIFA assholes on this board, right? (beside the lurker douches looking for content in their blog, of course)
So WTF are you guys arguing about? This is all about the "divide and conquer" agenda of the left. Don't fall prey to that shit.
I am amazed to see just how many people are still suffering from the Civil War....and they didn't even fight in it!
That's no reason to pick fights here, now.
Please stop with the snarky high-school insults. This is your only warning.
There are differing opinions, clearly. You all go to your respective corners and at the ding of the bell, come out with your facts and your reasoning at the ready....and leave the insults in the locker-room where they belong. We're all on the same team here, and there are rules for jockeying for position. BE NICE.
Thank you. :)
*ding*
I like most statues. I'm not a huge fan of the modern stuff that looks like a welder was getting rid of some scrap, and the blue bear thing in Denver [Dunno]
I thought artists were special and they get special treatment. Why are people trying to take their work down and hide it from the public?
One of my personal favorites: 71688
GilpinGuy
08-18-2017, 00:34
Ever see the blue horse statue with a gas mask on it's face on HWY 72? WTF is that about? Rocky Flats maybe? No clue.....
Ever see the blue horse statue with a gas mask on it's face on HWY 72? WTF is that about? Rocky Flats maybe? No clue.....
I've seen that. I didn't think it was a statue. I thought it was a warning to all of the local residents with livestock. A picture is worth a thousand words and most people would get that message even while texting, driving, and swerving around the bicyclists.
kidicarus13
08-18-2017, 05:59
Ever see the blue horse statue with a gas mask on it's face on HWY 72? WTF is that about? Rocky Flats maybe? No clue.....
“Cold War Horse” was created to acknowledge the history of Rocky Flats Nuclear Weapons Plant, its workers, and the surrounding community. During its operation Rocky Flats manufactured parts for nuclear bombs. The main product Rocky Flats produced are plutonium “triggers” for hydrogen bombs. Each trigger in itself is an atomic bomb. It’s estimated that 70,000 plutonium triggers were produced at the plant. Plutonium is a highly toxic substance and special precautions had to be taken to handle the material. The bomb factory began operation in 1952 under the control of Dow Chemical Company. Secrecy and security were very intense throughout the plants operation. Over the years Rocky Flats experienced many routine and accidental releases into the air soil and water, many of which eventually became public. In 1989 the FBI raided the plant because of suspected environmental crimes. Rockwell International who operated the plant at the time pled guilty and was ordered to pay an $18,000,000 fine. In 1992 the plant was closed and remediation began on what was now an EPA “superfund site.” An accelerated plan proposed by contractor Kaiser Hill was chosen and work was declared complete in October 2005. On the dedication of this memorial, 10 years after the “clean up” of Rocky Flats; the history and the people who have sacrificed so much have yet to be acknowledged by government agencies. This memorial stands as a reminder for a history that we must not forget. For more information on Rocky Flats history, present concerns and more please visit the recources section. Cold War Horse was created by Jeff Gipe.
kidicarus13
08-18-2017, 06:28
Yep...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170818/b580843b9ba5195ab2add4112ea53175.jpg
Martinjmpr
08-18-2017, 10:28
Yep...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170818/b580843b9ba5195ab2add4112ea53175.jpg
.
I'm not sure why we're commemorating Col. Sanders anyway. His entire chicken-mounted cavalry brigade was wiped out at the battle of Fryer's creek by a company of Yankee cooks armed only with hatchets and plucking machines. [Coffee]
BPTactical
08-18-2017, 10:33
.
I'm not sure why we're commemorating Col. Sanders anyway. His entire chicken-mounted cavalry brigade was wiped out at the battle of Fryer's creek by a company of Yankee cooks armed only with hatchets and plucking machines. [Coffee]
One of the fowlest battles ever from what I heard.
And they were cock sure they were going to win.
Secret recipe? More like secret racist plan to clog the arteries of a certain racial group that a washed up military officer despised! Let the truth be told!
Martinjmpr
08-18-2017, 11:06
How Will Children Understand WWII Without America's Hitler Statues? (http://www.somethingawful.com/news/history-statues-confederacy/)
Without America's many statues honoring Hitler, the next generation will have little understanding of the history of the Second World War. Many voices, including my own, warned about this possibility earlier in the year, but we were shouted down by Americans who said it was time we tear down the giant Hitler statues placed in our parks, town squares, and outside various government buildings. They demanded we stop "celebrating" history's greatest tyrant. That we rename Hitler Park, Hitler High School, and Hitler Memorial Hospital to "less offensive" things.
How Will Children Understand WWII Without America's Hitler Statues? (http://www.somethingawful.com/news/history-statues-confederacy/)
Yes, because the third reich was motivated by the same things that states legally leaving the union were...
Got to love people who have no grasp of history.
Martinjmpr
08-18-2017, 11:43
Yes, because the third reich was motivated by the same things that states legally leaving the union were...
Got to love people who have no grasp of history.
Firing artillery at Fort Sumter was legal?
Please, teach me more of this "history." [Pop]
Scanker19
08-18-2017, 11:48
How Will Children Understand WWII Without America's Hitler Statues? (http://www.somethingawful.com/news/history-statues-confederacy/)
Yeah like Braxton Bragg. Fuck that guy and everything associated with him.
It's not even a fair or equal comparison, Hitler was the leader of a different country, not some general of a piece of ours? IF that argument is going to hold water then it needs to be defined more. Are we saying that we should not have statues of enemies of the United States? We should not have statues of people whose politics we don't agree with? By how simple majority? I know, Let's not have statues of people who are inherently bad or traitors, because I tell you what, I'm sick of looking at monuments dedicated to traitors up in Lexington and Concord. Makes me sick, fucking perfidious rebels.
History isn't black and white (no pun intended) and it's more complicated than good vs. bad. Heroes aren't always ideal, and the enemy is dependent on the side of history you're on.
This whole CSA=Nazi Germany thing really detracts from the severity of the fucking nazi party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdFm3nT93Y
Scanker19
08-18-2017, 12:09
If we're removing statues I'd like to nominate the One of General Palmer be removed. It's just right in the middle of the road and it's really annoying to turn left onto Nevada with that stupid thing in the way.
If we're removing statues I'd like to nominate the One of General Palmer be removed. It's just right in the middle of the road and it's really annoying to turn left onto Nevada with that stupid thing in the way.
That's actually a traffic calming device... Can't have people speeding past Acacia Park, putting all the "travelers" at risk. [Flower]
Firing artillery at Fort Sumter was legal?
Please, teach me more of this "history." [Pop]
Leaving the Union was not legal?
I am amazed to see just how many people are still suffering from the Civil War....and they didn't even fight in it!
Like hyphenated-Americans that were never in the hyphen. Like assertions that white people are guilty for slavery, even if their ancestors weren't even here at the time.
There are a lot of people using old, tired excuses.
Bailey Guns
08-18-2017, 13:38
They make a good point here...
Really? Because I don't see it at all. Sounds like more leftist rationalization and propaganda to me.
Bailey Guns
08-18-2017, 13:47
Firing artillery at Fort Sumter was legal?
Please, teach me more of this "history." [Pop]
He didn't say firing artillery was legal. He said states leaving the Union was.
Now as to whether or not firing on Ft Sumter was legal...
S Carolina seceded from the Union and wanted the US Army out of the fort. The US refused even after several calls for a peaceful surrender by the SC governor. The US even tried, unsuccessfully to resupply the fort and engaged in firefights with SC militia. So, I think in the context of the time and the events, a good argument could be made that firing on and taking Ft Sumter was entirely legal.
Many here seem to want to make a big deal about states rights. Except when it conflicts with white guilt or other reasons some find to be unsavory.
Bailey Guns
08-18-2017, 13:51
BTW, Ridge... That picture I asked you to identify is the Confederate Memorial in Arlington Nat'l Cemetery where Confederate soldiers (who are considered to be American veterans) are buried in a place of honor among our country's war dead.
Think I'll re-watch 'The Outlaw Josey Wales' tonight.
OtterbatHellcat
08-18-2017, 14:21
Awesome movie.
Lots of great lines in it too.
OtterbatHellcat
08-18-2017, 14:23
I have a framed movie poster of Mr. Whales in my den......do I like the movie? I reckon so.
Great-Kazoo
08-18-2017, 14:41
Think I'll re-watch 'The Outlaw Josey Wales' tonight.
Did he spit?
BTW, Ridge... That picture I asked you to identify is the Confederate Memorial in Arlington Nat'l Cemetery where Confederate soldiers (who are considered to be American veterans) are buried in a place of honor among our country's war dead.
Cool.
Men drafted without a say in the matter and forced to fight. I'll give them the honor they deserve.
Robert E. Lee (the man on the statue in Charlottesville) resigned his position with the US Army to go join the Confederacy for their imminent war.
The man himself even said that what the southern states were about to do was tantamount to treason, and yet he still joined them.
I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will.
-Robert E. Lee, January 1861
Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native state?
-Robert E. Lee to Presidential Advisor Francis Blair, April 18, 1861
Cool.
Men drafted without a say in the matter and forced to fight. I'll give them the honor they deserve.
Robert E. Lee (the man on the statue in Charlottesville) resigned his position with the US Army to go join the Confederacy for their imminent war.
The man himself even said that what the southern states were about to do was tantamount to treason, and yet he still joined them.
Crazy, it's almost as though you're just now learning about the concept that Lee was hesitant to secede from the Union until other avenues had failed.
hollohas
08-18-2017, 18:48
Got to love people who have no grasp of history.
Especially the antifa who show up to protest the hatred and murderous history of nazis while carrying flags like these.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/d849a454a3f746242d2f93ba7756c941.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/ed8af272677d85218e8725ac65618af1.jpg
Especially the antifa who show up to protest the hatred and murderous history of nazis while carrying flags like these.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/d849a454a3f746242d2f93ba7756c941.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/ed8af272677d85218e8725ac65618af1.jpg
If only they had the slightest clue as to what Che Guedouchebag was all about.
Bailey Guns
08-18-2017, 19:52
Cool.
Men drafted without a say in the matter and forced to fight. I'll give them the honor they deserve.
Robert E. Lee (the man on the statue in Charlottesville) resigned his position with the US Army to go join the Confederacy for their imminent war.
The man himself even said that what the southern states were about to do was tantamount to treason, and yet he still joined them.
Nice try, Ridge, but wrong again. In the early stages of the war the Confederate Army turned away nearly 1/4 million volunteers because the Army couldn't afford to provide for their arms and equipment. Less than 100,000 Confederate soldiers were conscripts. Granted, many opted to volunteer in lieu of being drafted in the later years of the war. Doesn't change the fact that most of the army was made up of volunteers...especially in the early years.
And, yes, Lee was against the war. That shouldn't be surprising. Great military leaders throughout history have often opposed war but ultimately did what they felt was their duty. Thank God for men like that. Even Yamamoto tried to convince the emperor not to attack the United States. He said he would be nearly unopposed for the first year in a war against the US and UK but after that victory was doubtful.
What's ironic about your Lee quote is how few people realize how committed he was as a patriot loyal to the United States. But the ignorant just see him as fighting for slavery. During his time states were thought of as sovereign and independent...not like today where the states are completely subservient to a near-tyrannical federal government...and his loyalty to his state was even stronger than his loyalty to the Union.
States themselves were sovereign entities. Now they've been beaten into submission with the budgetary cudgel of money taken from the earnings of workers and businesses in those states. The mafia never had it so good.
Especially the antifa who show up to protest the hatred and murderous history of nazis while carrying flags like these.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/d849a454a3f746242d2f93ba7756c941.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/ed8af272677d85218e8725ac65618af1.jpg
Communism is the cool thing now, dontchaknow.
http://i.imgur.com/gxDowLF.png
And, yes, Lee was against the war. That shouldn't be surprising. Great military leaders throughout history have often opposed war but ultimately did what they felt was their duty.
He wasn't just against the war, he said the Confederacy breaking off was the absolutely wrong thing to do. His own words.
Communism is the cool thing now, dontchaknow.
http://i.imgur.com/gxDowLF.png
He wasn't just against the war, he said the Confederacy breaking off was the absolutely wrong thing to do. His own words.
Exactly. He was put into the same position as countless others- family, or country? Had he chosen to fight for the union, he would have likely been fighting members of his family.
This was a terrible, terrible point in history. Shades of gray, all around.
"Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native state?
-Robert E. Lee to Presidential Advisor Francis Blair, April 18, 1861"
Shades of gray indeed, but I'll still argue the north had the moral high ground as they weren't fighting for the right to own other humans like cattle. Even if the South had other reasons, that is the trump card.
Shades of gray indeed, but I'll still argue the north had the moral high ground as they weren't fighting for the right to own other humans like cattle. Even if the South had other reasons, that is the trump card.
I'd argue for the South, especially since the North wasn't trying to free slaves with the war.
Those of us who are US citizens living in the 21st century have little if any true understanding of the meaning and values essential to a citizen of sovereign states and the US in the 19th century. How much hubris does it take for us to sit in judgment of our fellow citizens without such understanding? We should be glad that we will not live to see that same ignorant judgment made about us by our future fellow citizens one hundred years from now. We cannot even imagine what the values of those who come after us will be, so we are incapable of satisfying their sense of justice. To those who will sit in judgment of our ancestors, I pray that you are truly judged by our progeny. As we have done to our forefathers, so you can expect to be done for you. Guilt and condemnation await us all.
This reminds me of all of the hand wringing over the use of atomic bombs by the US against Japan. Since we could never have faced the probable death and dismemberment of assaulting the Japanese homeland, how ignoble is it for us to judge those who did and chose another path?
To the alt right and the antifa, I quote Mercutio; A plague on both your houses!
For anyone interested in what led to and transpired during the "Civil War."
Long read, but thoroughly referenced.
Better understanding leads to stronger argument.
THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE CIVIL WAR: FACTS YOUR HISTORY TEACHER MAY NOT HAVE MENTIONED ABOUT THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES (http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/southernside.htm)
Shades of gray indeed, but I'll still argue the north had the moral high ground as they weren't fighting for the right to own other humans like cattle. Even if the South had other reasons, that is the trump card.
That's easy for you to say now. You likely would have had a difficult time getting polyester clothing back then to avoid buying cotton produced by slave labor. It's amazing how righteous one can sound without historical context.
Scanker19
08-18-2017, 23:02
I was just about to laugh at the fact that someone brought up morals and war in the same sentence, (Is Using the moral high ground as reasoning to kill a bunch of people you disagree with moral?) but after thinking about it, war could be described as the most extreme contrast of morals. Both sides think they are right at the time, and in many cases, for a time after the war. No one starts a war with the plan of being "the bad guys," that's the other side's job.
I think that we can judge the people of the past on their choices, but to what end? We can't change their decisions, hell, I don't even think we(current people) could atone for them.
to also quote Mercutio: "I am peppered"
71694
MMMM pepper steak....
...to also quote Mercutio: "I am peppered"
71694
MMMM pepper steak....
"Ask for me tomorrow, and you shall find me a grave man."
And as for the morality of war; which side never believed "Gott mit uns?" It takes an unbreakable sense of righteousness to believe so strongly that you are willing to kill those who disagree with you.
Fentonite
08-19-2017, 03:07
... It takes an unbreakable sense of righteousness to believe so strongly that you are willing to kill those who disagree with you.
I dunno. I guess I agree with that, to an extent. For instance, the State executing a convicted murderer or the like. But I'm not so sure that it takes such a sense of righteousness to have a willingness to kill, if those important to you are in danger. Whether he thought the Nazis or Japanese were morally right or wrong, my grandpa would have killed them (and did) if he thought they posed a threat to his wife and baby daughter. And I expect that most men would instinctively kill to protect their wife/child from an imminent threat, even if they knew they lacked the moral high ground. Maybe that's too tangential. I think I'll make some pepper steak.
I dunno. I guess I agree with that, to an extent. For instance, the State executing a convicted murderer or the like. But I'm not so sure that it takes such a sense of righteousness to have a willingness to kill, if those important to you are in danger. Whether he thought the Nazis or Japanese were morally right or wrong, my grandpa would have killed them (and did) if he thought they posed a threat to his wife and baby daughter. And I expect that most men would instinctively kill to protect their wife/child from an imminent threat, even if they knew they lacked the moral high ground. Maybe that's too tangential. I think I'll make some pepper steak.
I hope the steak was as good as the prognostication
Bailey Guns
08-19-2017, 07:02
Shades of gray indeed, but I'll still argue the north had the moral high ground as they weren't fighting for the right to own other humans like cattle. Even if the South had other reasons, that is the trump card.
That's funny. I'm guessing you probably think the Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves, don't you? (Hint: It didn't...regardless of what your progressive teachers told you.)
hollohas
08-19-2017, 09:04
Those of us who are US citizens living in the 21st century have little if any true understanding of the meaning and values essential to a citizen of sovereign states and the US in the 19th century. How much hubris does it take for us to sit in judgment of our fellow citizens without such understanding? We should be glad that we will not live to see that same ignorant judgment made about us by our future fellow citizens one hundred years from now. We cannot even imagine what the values of those who come after us will be, so we are incapable of satisfying their sense of justice. To those who will sit in judgment of our ancestors, I pray that you are truly judged by our progeny. As we have done to our forefathers, so you can expect to be done for you. Guilt and condemnation await us all.
This reminds me of all of the hand wringing over the use of atomic bombs by the US against Japan. Since we could never have faced the probable death and dismemberment of assaulting the Japanese homeland, how ignoble is it for us to judge those who did and chose another path?
To the alt right and the antifa, I quote Mercutio; A plague on both your houses!Like button.
I have often found Mel Brooks a great source of wisdom in times of trouble. Watch till the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXHRX8Q2hs
Great-Kazoo
08-19-2017, 11:46
I have often found Mel Brooks a great source of wisdom in times of trouble. Watch till the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXHRX8Q2hs
Bialystock and Bloom
I find the way this thread has gone interesting and ironic.
While the Civil War was seemingly fought over slavery, the ultimate result was all Americans becoming share croppers (check your paystub). And we're probably just a few elections away from outright slavery...
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
When the collectivists run out of fake incentives, having destroyed real incentive, production will be mandated.
This, and the 500,000 dead (mostly not slave owners), seems like a high price to pay for an evil that could have been addressed in other ways.
BPTactical
08-19-2017, 12:06
Those who think slavery was the reason for the American Civil War are woefully ignorant.
Those who think slavery was the reason for the American Civil War are woefully ignorant.
And unfortunately they are plentiful in number.
Bailey Guns
08-19-2017, 13:30
Those who think slavery was the reason for the American Civil War are woefully ignorant.
But, but...Lincoln and Emancipation Proclamation and freeing slaves!
Sure...it was about freeing slaves. That's why a half-million slaves in Kentucky, Missouri, Delaware and Maryland weren't freed by the EP...because it was about freeing slaves.
FFS...This really shouldn't need to be explained to people.
But, but...Lincoln and Emancipation Proclamation and freeing slaves!
Sure...it was about freeing slaves. That's why a half-million slaves in Kentucky, Missouri, Delaware and Maryland weren't freed by the EP...because it was about freeing slaves.
FFS...This really shouldn't need to be explained to people.
This along with other concepts such as changes to state legislature and state constitutions in northern states regarding freedmen of color in the years following the civil war.
hollohas
08-19-2017, 14:34
The antifa is busy being douchbags again in Boston today.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/bb0dc0880449e6db569089dd8a8416c6.jpg
Whatever happened to tear gas and water cannons?
Shutting down free speech. That's what fascism does.
Great-Kazoo
08-19-2017, 14:58
Whatever happened to tear gas and water cannons?
Racist and white extremist .
Water cannons trigger memories of racial hatred. To placate the left, LE dept's under orders from their leftist mayor's and Governors sold them to the local scrap yard.
The country having removed the Stars & Bars, Confederate Flag, Symbol of slavery and traitors to the U.S.A.
Is now trying hard to prove to the losing side of the election they are not NAZI'S, WHITE EXTREMIST, ETC. Removing more symbols from history. In effect acheiving what the left has beeen trying to do for years.
One Small Step For Manking. One Giant Step Closer to the same thing the left supposedly is against. SEIG HEILlary
Whatever happened to tear gas and water cannons?
Then the police will have chosen the side of pro-racism, pro-slavery, nazis, etc. That's how the left works, all the while claiming the "moral high ground"
OtterbatHellcat
08-19-2017, 18:51
Racist and white extremist .
Water cannons trigger memories of racial hatred. To placate the left, LE dept's under orders from their leftist mayor's and Governors sold them to the local scrap yard.
The country having removed the Stars & Bars, Confederate Flag, Symbol of slavery and traitors to the U.S.A.
Is now trying hard to prove to the losing side of the election they are not NAZI'S, WHITE EXTREMIST, ETC. Removing more symbols from history. In effect acheiving what the left has beeen trying to do for years.
One Small Step For Manking. One Giant Step Closer to the same thing the left supposedly is against. SEIG HEILlary
Like
Whatever happened to tear gas and water cannons?
Police 'crats traded them in for Silly String and Super Soakers.
hollohas
08-20-2017, 08:02
Wow, someone who understands. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170820/79c6104ae4d229ed767e61c8f532ffd1.jpg
Wow, someone who understands.
I saw that earlier this morning.
Excellent.
Too bad there are "people" on this board who think otherwise.
BPTactical
08-20-2017, 09:13
I find this interesting: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0
I find this interesting: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0
If only those ever meant anything. Obama set up the petition thing, and promised to respond to every one that met the goal.
He responded to the one about building a death star, then raised the requirement, and never responded to another again.
If only those ever meant anything. Obama set up the petition thing, and promised to respond to every one that met the goal.
He responded to the one about building a death star, then raised the requirement, and never responded to another again.
Not true:
http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/12/28/white-house-responses-and-policy-impact-of-petitions/
RblDiver
08-20-2017, 18:22
Rather than make a new thread, now apparently hairstyles are racist right here in Colorado! I shave my head, apparently that makes me a skinhead, so I better watch out!
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/20/colorado-man-stabbed-nazi-haircut/
I'm white. I'm must be a racist...
Being a hater makes life easy and all the people that know me know I HATE everyone so they're at ease because they NEVER have to wonder if I HATE someone.
:)
I enjoy the study of history. It is almost impossible for us to completely understand current events, so assuming that we can completely understand history is sort of delusional.
Here is an interesting discussion on the causes of the American Civil War or The War of Northern Aggression as I was raised to call it.
https://www.civilwar.org/learn/articles/reasons-secession
Neo-Nazis are just appropriating balding cultural norms.
The left should be more sympathetic to us baldies' plight.
OtterbatHellcat
08-20-2017, 21:20
Rather than make a new thread, now apparently hairstyles are racist right here in Colorado! I shave my head, apparently that makes me a skinhead, so I better watch out!
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/20/colorado-man-stabbed-nazi-haircut/
Oddly enough, I just referenced something quite similar in another thread a minute ago. No, you don't have to have a shaved head to be a skinhead. Hell, my ex said I "looked" like a white supremacist when I had my hair buzzed at a #2.
I'm not a white supremacist. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
GilpinGuy
08-20-2017, 21:48
I go 1/8 inch on the hair because clean shave is a PITA ans razors cost too much. I guess I'm a racist too.
Scanker19
08-20-2017, 22:23
Those who think slavery was the reason for the American Civil War are woefully ignorant.
https://youtu.be/SFwHQYDqf6c
RblDiver
08-21-2017, 00:31
I go 1/8 inch on the hair because clean shave is a PITA ans razors cost too much. I guess I'm a racist too.
The Dollar Shave Club is I think $9/month for 4 razors. I tend to do it once or twice a week in the shower, not perfect but good enough.
I enjoy the study of history. It is almost impossible for us to completely understand current events, so assuming that we can completely understand history is sort of delusional.
Here is an interesting discussion on the causes of the American Civil War or The War of Northern Aggression as I was raised to call it.
https://www.civilwar.org/learn/articles/reasons-secession
Thank you!
I was taught in school that it was primarily about slavery. I've come to know the American Civil War as The War of Northern Aggression over the years.
This is the same government that erodes our natural rights every single day now. The American federal government bureaucracy ('crats) is the greatest enemy to liberty and freedom on the planet. Prepare accordingly.
BPTactical
08-21-2017, 07:12
I find this interesting: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0
151K signatures as of 5 minutes ago
Thank you!
I was taught in school that it was primarily about slavery. I've come to know the American Civil War as The War of Northern Aggression over the years.
This is the same government that erodes our natural rights every single day now. The American federal government bureaucracy ('crats) is the greatest enemy to liberty and freedom on the planet. Prepare accordingly.
I don't think it matters what it was about. Say Libs get all the statues torn up and graves dug up, they'll find something new to get butthurt over quickly.
It's never what they say it's about, it's about their end goals. So they start on a wedge and work their way in. Want to destroy America's history, start with slave owners. Only "white supremacists" would argue back (marginalize your opposition).
The only ones debating what the Civil War was about is us precisely because it's marginalizing us. Standing up for our history isn't defending past evils. But even many on the right think it is.
I don't think it matters what it was about. Say Libs get all the statues torn up and graves dug up, they'll find something new to get butthurt over quickly.
It's never what they say it's about, it's about their end goals. So they start on a wedge and work their way in. Want to destroy America's history, start with slave owners. Only "white supremacists" would argue back (marginalize your opposition).
The only ones debating what the Civil War was about is us precisely because it's marginalizing us. Standing up for our history isn't defending past evils. But even many on the right think it is.
Excellent points! :)
The ends would be to destroy the United States from within, the means is any number of things including ignoring/rewriting US history.
OtterbatHellcat
08-21-2017, 18:21
I don't think it matters what it was about. Say Libs get all the statues torn up and graves dug up, they'll find something new to get butthurt over quickly.
It's never what they say it's about, it's about their end goals. So they start on a wedge and work their way in. Want to destroy America's history, start with slave owners. Only "white supremacists" would argue back (marginalize your opposition).
The only ones debating what the Civil War was about is us precisely because it's marginalizing us. Standing up for our history isn't defending past evils. But even many on the right think it is.
That's pretty good right there, brother...nicely done.
I don't think it matters what it was about. Say Libs get all the statues torn up and graves dug up, they'll find something new to get butthurt over quickly.
It's never what they say it's about, it's about their end goals. So they start on a wedge and work their way in. Want to destroy America's history, start with slave owners. Only "white supremacists" would argue back (marginalize your opposition).
The only ones debating what the Civil War was about is us precisely because it's marginalizing us. Standing up for our history isn't defending past evils. But even many on the right think it is.
Divide and conquer one group of people at a time. It worked well for the Basis.
hollohas
08-23-2017, 05:41
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4814686/Anti-Trump-protests-disappoint-Phoenix-heat.html
News hosts shocked into near-silence as Trump protester is shot in GROIN with rubber bullet as police open up with tear gas canisters on crowds after Phoenix rally
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Watch the video.
Hahahahaha!
Edit: found the video without the story. This is priceless.
https://youtu.be/JZ0aqeS7xkM
Bailey Guns
08-23-2017, 06:22
LOL! New meaning to the term "pepper balls".
I'm hoping that neutered the little douche and he won't be able to breed in the future.
Divide and conquer one group of people at a time. It worked well for the Basis.
Follow Soros' money and you see the strategy. He (and other elites) is playing 70%+ of the population like a fiddle. The rest of us will be dragged in and forced to take a side.
Notice how RUSSSSSSIAAAANZZZZ! is no longer a story? They don't need that "story" anymore. Does anyone think there are still journalists in the media? They are propagandists who take orders at all levels.
With Bitch McConnell's comments yesterday, I think the next big "story" will be Trump's mental instability leading to a 25th Amendment attempt this fall.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4814686/Anti-Trump-protests-disappoint-Phoenix-heat.html
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Watch the video.
[snip]
[ROFL2]
He came to get down. He got down.
I hope it hurts to pee for a long time (and I seldom wish that on anyone).
GilpinGuy
08-23-2017, 07:54
I can just imagine the grin on the officers face who let that round fly. LMAO
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4814686/Anti-Trump-protests-disappoint-Phoenix-heat.html
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Watch the video.
Hahahahaha!
Edit: found the video without the story. This is priceless.
https://youtu.be/JZ0aqeS7xkM
Hahahaha hahahahahahahahaha pepper balls!
buffalobo
08-23-2017, 09:18
Play stupid games, win pepper balls.
Better than Billy Jack kick in the dick.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
No vomiting and he was able to stand up pretty quickly and walk.
Shoot till they are no longer a threat.
P.S. Nice shot placement
wctriumph
08-23-2017, 10:20
I remember Billy Jack and his stand against racism and bigotry by the local white ranchers and evil townspeople of Prescott, AZ.
GilpinGuy
08-23-2017, 10:44
And the dude that helps him has a Kaepernick jersey on. [Roll1]
Now this is getting past stupid. An Asian has been removed from broadcasting a football game because his name was Robert Lee.
Come on....
hurley842002
08-23-2017, 11:42
Now this is getting past stupid. An Asian has been removed from broadcasting a football game because his name was Robert Lee.
Come on....
Yes, Yes it is, and Hank Aaron is boycotting the NFL over their treatment of "Kap", while George Foreman praises Trump, and slams "Kap" over his protest. It's all just beyond ridiculous at this point.
OldFogey
08-23-2017, 11:58
Now this is getting past stupid. An Asian has been removed from broadcasting a football game because his name was Robert Lee.
Come on....
Hey! As a half-Asian I am half-pissed, which is way better than being half-assed. Of course, if I was half-pissed in England I would be half way to relaxed...
68Charger
08-23-2017, 12:09
No vomiting and he was able to stand up pretty quickly and walk.
Shoot till they are no longer a threat.
P.S. Nice shot placement
He was wearing a gas mask, here's hoping he threw up inside the mask
hollohas
08-23-2017, 12:43
Now this is getting past stupid. An Asian has been removed from broadcasting a football game because his name was Robert Lee.
Come on....The the USC Trojan's horse, Traveler, is being accused of being a racist because his name is similar to General Lee's horse, Traveller.
Seriously. The USC Black Student Assembly said the horse's name was an example of white supremacy hitting close to home. Even though the horse is a TROJAN horse, not a Confederate horse.
hollohas
08-23-2017, 12:44
And the dude that helps him has a Kaepernick jersey on. [Roll1]I missed that! Hahahaha.
hurley842002
08-23-2017, 12:46
Honestly I think these extreme left liberals/ANTIFA/BLM folks are really hurting themselves more than helping. Many of my in-laws are CA liberals, and even most of them agree these people are bafoons.
Zundfolge
08-23-2017, 13:49
Honestly I think these extreme left liberals/ANTIFA/BLM folks are really hurting themselves more than helping.
The problem is that the extreme left liberal/ANTIFA/BLM folks are committing suicide in a way that takes everyone else with them.
They are the descendants of Eric Harris ... read his manefesto and you learn what their actual goal is (the TL;DR version is "Existence is bad and must be eliminated").
hurley842002
08-23-2017, 13:54
The problem is that the extreme left liberal/ANTIFA/BLM folks are committing suicide in a way that takes everyone else with them.
They are the descendants of Eric Harris ... read his manefesto and you learn what their actual goal is (the TL;DR version is "Existence is bad and must be eliminated").
I don't disagree with you, and am certainly concerned with their method of self destruction.
hurley842002
08-23-2017, 14:23
Just saw this on Fox:
"The individuals broke down fencing and "at one point dispersed gas into and at the police officers," Williams said. "They had their own gas they threw at police, not our gas."
This would explain why I saw a couple rioters with gas masks on.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/23/protesters-at-trumps-phoenix-rally-used-gas-canisters-rocks-to-assault-police.html
Scanker19
08-23-2017, 17:20
Now this is getting past stupid. An Asian has been removed from broadcasting a football game because his name was Robert Lee.
Come on....
HE'S ASIAN!?!?!?!?!? (Quintuple interrobang!) That's silly.
No worse than NYC changing the subway because it has things that resemble confederate flags.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/nyregion/mta-confederate-flag-tiles.html?mcubz=0
Divide and conquer one group of people at a time. It worked well for the Basis.
It worked well for the Nazis....and if my libtard Mac changes it again...it's going out the friggin' window.
I can just imagine the grin on the officers face who let that round fly. LMAO
He likely wasn't having to buy beers afterward. [Coffee]
Is there anything new on the driver?
hollohas
08-23-2017, 19:34
I'm waiting for the commie nut shot boy to turn into a CNN head meme. Someone is going to do it, they have to.
A Whole New World: Columbus Statue Could Be Considered for Removal (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-whole-new-world-columbus-statue-could-be-considered-for-removal/ar-AAqBIuW)
Remove all the things.
There is a real message in the poem, The Hangman.
http://youtu.be/BRDq7aneXnk
hollohas
08-23-2017, 19:59
The memes are starting. Trump golf drives pepperballs.
https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DH7vfYbUQAENJnG.mp4
The lady laughing in the background is hilarious. [ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]
https://youtu.be/1T9bSlqUxi0
JohnnyDrama
08-23-2017, 20:24
The problem is that the extreme left liberal/ANTIFA/BLM folks are committing suicide in a way that takes everyone else with them.
I see it more as a "Banzai charge" tactic. The upper echelon knuckleheads send their ignorant minions(tools) to die for their cause. Just as sure as the bosses at MoveOn sure aren't going to jeopardize their way of life the woman at Charlottesville didn't plan on dying for a cause that day. She just wanted some cool stories to tell. The left is just waiting for more people to die.
http://i.imgur.com/SE6l6Dx.gif
Great-Kazoo
08-24-2017, 07:54
A Whole New World: Columbus Statue Could Be Considered for Removal (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-whole-new-world-columbus-statue-could-be-considered-for-removal/ar-AAqBIuW)
Remove all the things.
There is a real message in the poem, The Hangman.
http://youtu.be/BRDq7aneXnk
The Geo. Washington Bridge should be removed also. Along with the Washington Monument, every Spanish Consulate. After all. QUEEN ISABELLA OF SPAIN hired Columbus not Italy.
Manifest Destiny
In fact every democrat should be condemned for their ancestors actions during the early 1800's. Since the current movement is to eradicate any reminder of history.
A Whole New World: Columbus Statue Could Be Considered for Removal (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-whole-new-world-columbus-statue-could-be-considered-for-removal/ar-AAqBIuW)
Remove all the things.
There is a real message in the poem, The Hangman.
Thank you for posting that up.
68Charger
08-24-2017, 10:08
If removing these statues would mean the left would STFU, get jobs, a life and stop race baiting- then it would almost be worth it.
But even if they said they would, they're filthy liars...
Interesting interview from a Charlottesville eyewitness:
https://z3news.com/w/eyewitness-reveals-horrors-charlottesville/
SNIP
Charles Patrick: “So, it’s a tourist town. So when you seen the buses, it was like a tourist bus?”
Eyewitness: “Yeah, that’s what I thought, it was like a charter bus. You know, the University of Virginia is here too so, it could have been for anything. So, everybody in the restaurant, I mean you could hear a cricket, everybody was just looking. So you could tell that the town, the locals were not used to seeing something like that. And I mean within, I want to say 10 or 15 seconds, people came running off the bus and just flooded the place. I don’t care what anybody says and I don’t care if anybody believes me, but these people came off that bus ready to, I don’t know work, ready to fight. They had on helmets. They had on kneepads and elbow pads and face guards and mouthpieces and purses and bags and backpacks full of things, carrying…
Charles Patrick: “Hold on. Were these all white people getting off the bus?”
Eyewitness: “No, no, no, no. There were just as many black people as there were white people getting off the same buses. There were just as many women as there were men.
Charles Patrick: “So, white people, black people, men and women got off the bus, is what you’re telling me. Right?”
Eyewitness: “Got off the SAME bus. I even saw some people carrying, you know those shields that police men use for riots that you see on videos and stuff, there were people carrying those off the bus.
Charles Patrick: “Really?”
Eyewitness: “Yes.”
Charles Patrick: “Now, these black and white people that got off the bus. Are these the ones that had on T-shirts?”
Eyewitness: “There was T-shirts. There was emblems. Now I don’t recognize all the different groups that are out there. The ones that I know of are BLM, Black Lives Matter, the KKK.”
Charles Patrick: “Now, you’ve seen these emblems, is what you’re saying?”
Eyewitness: “Yeah, I did and not just one or two. Everybody on those buses that came off those buses had something on there that caught my attention. ‘Oh my God, that’s the KKK. Oh my God, that’s the BLM.”
Charles Patrick: “Wait a minute. You’re telling me that Black Lives Matter and the KKK got off the same damn bus.”
Eyewitness: “Yeah, but wait a minute. Wait a minute. I think I might have left something out. Those people I was talking about who were having those civilized conversations in the restaurant and in the town, they were also BLM. Um, I didn’t see any KKK or anything like that, but after seeing the people you could tell, or they would even offer up the information that they were affiliated or associated or in the KKK or some other Arian, whatever, but they were having conversations with each other.”
SNIP
hollohas
08-24-2017, 13:57
Interesting interview from a Charlottesville eyewitness:
https://z3news.com/w/eyewitness-reveals-horrors-charlottesville/Makes this seem a bit more likely...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170824/ae3a1d5701009ccd4276363a3a83c961.jpg
Shhhh. We are not talking about Charlotesville anymore. The current issue of focus is Donald Trump's mental instability. We have bipartisan support on our whisper campaign and more people insisting that Trump will resign.
Get with the agenda and learn to quote from and link to the Washington Post and New York Times. These are the official organs of the progressive left (otherwise known as the CPUSA)
Keep up with the changes comrade.
kidicarus13
08-24-2017, 14:15
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Good eye finding the fold-creases in the new flag. Why wouldn't the Craigslist ad be listed in Washington DC or Richmond? They are a lot closer to Charlottesville that Charlotte.
hollohas
08-24-2017, 14:44
Good eye finding the fold-creases in the new flag. Why wouldn't the Craigslist ad be listed in Washington DC or Richmond? They are a lot closer to Charlottesville that Charlotte.
Just to be clear, I didn't make this picture. I lifted it from WRSA who got it via Matthew Bracken.
I'm not that smart.
Bailey Guns
08-24-2017, 14:52
$25 per hour! Hells, bells...that's a lot easier than what I do for less money. I wonder if they offer health and retirement benefits.
A message for you marxists.
Sorry, tried that, didn't work, we got 100 million corpses to prove it, and that's plenty for me and if it's not enough for you then you should do some serious thinking either about your historical knowledge or about your moral character.
https://youtu.be/8p2QfjaSIUo
antifa (communism) vs nazism - http://blog.suarezinternational.com/2017/08/uncle-joe-versus-adolf.html
Two very similar ideologies fighting amongst each other, just like Charlottesville, although I think that perhaps the "nazis" weren't real nazis and the "nazis" were paid to be there to start the riot with antifa.
Both the dead girl and her suspected killer are on the same team and were sacrificed as "means to the ends". Communist leadership has a name for the ignorant morons they use and dispose of, "useful idiots", it couldn't be more true.
GilpinGuy
08-24-2017, 22:04
antifa (communism) vs nazism - http://blog.suarezinternational.com/2017/08/uncle-joe-versus-adolf.html
Two very similar ideologies fighting amongst each other, just like Charlottesville, although I think that perhaps the "nazis" weren't real nazis and the "nazis" were paid to be there to start the riot with antifa.
Both the dead girl and her suspected killer are on the same team and were sacrificed as "means to the ends". Communist leadership has a name for the ignorant morons they use and dispose of, "useful idiots", it couldn't be more true.
Indeed. There is a surplus of useful idiots these days. A glut, actually.
Talk about a real hit in the nuts...
First he got pegged in the berries, and then he bragged about it and is gonna get strung up by his twig.
http://www.azfamily.com/story/36213492/man-hit-by-gas-round-in-viral-video-was-arrested
A message for you Marxists.
[snip]
Good vid! They certainly aren't intellectually consistent but that is why I think they have created their safe spaces and triggers, so that no truth may pierce the veil of useful idiocy.
When it was a battle of ideas, it was about unwinding the lies. Thankfully, they do a lot of that to themselves. Like the ACA... Healthcare is a right, so they drove up the cost of healthcare to make it worse. Yeah, good job! I also like "socialism isn't communism." Really? So when socialism destroys the marketplace, how does the massive gov respond? Like Venezuela, every time.
But it's not a debate anymore, it's now turning physical and if the Libs can't use the jackboot of gov on us they'll throw a temper tantrum in the streets. We respond by debating who had moral superiority during the Civil War, going to work, paying our taxes so Libs can keep moving the needle.
Slightly OT (maybe Ray's thread?), having more and more conversations with people I know about how downright stupid the average American has become. Dumb as rocks. It's not biology, it's learned, and it isn't all "millennials" either. There's going to be a lot of "need" in the future. Imagine the cost of a single human lifetime in the US; housing, food, healthcare, education (which is a waste of time), etc... Now imagine that person never working a day in his life and his only hope is your leeching off your paycheck. Now multiply by millions.
If any Baby Boomers and early Gen X'ers want to blame the stupidity on Millennials, so called, I'll gladly show them footage of their generational confreres getting rhetorically slammed by Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and William F. Buckley Jr.
Stupidity was taught...
hollohas
08-25-2017, 08:47
Talk about a real hit in the nuts...
First he got pegged in the berries, and then he bragged about it and is gonna get strung up by his twig.
http://www.azfamily.com/story/36213492/man-hit-by-gas-round-in-viral-video-was-arrestedFantastic news. What a dumbass. His 1 minute in the spotlight is going to cost him. Ha.
https://youtu.be/2AhGYo9TExU
this was pretty spot on in my opinion.
...and look, here is more on the topic of the "Civil War".
Blaming the war on slavery was the way the northern court historians used morality to cover up Lincoln’s naked aggression and the war crimes of his generals. Demonizing the enemy with moral language works for the victor. And it is still ongoing. We see in the destruction of statues the determination to shove remaining symbols of the Confederacy down the Memory Hole.
Today the ignorant morons, thoroughly brainwashed by Identity Politics, are demanding removal of memorials to Robert E. Lee, an alleged racist toward whom they express violent hatred. This presents a massive paradox. Robert E. Lee was the first person offered command of the Union armies. How can it be that a “Southern racist” was offered command of the Union Army if the Union was going to war to free black slaves?
https://straightlinelogic.com/2017/08/24/how-we-know-the-so-called-civil-war-was-not-over-slavery-by-paul-craig-roberts/
ISIS and the taliban destroy history and antifa is doing the same thing.
this was pretty spot on in my opinion.
Yes, antifa are the exact thing they claim to stand against, and by golly antifa is just like real nazis.
This is what happens when words mean whatever some dullard says they mean, as opposed to the true meaning of the word "fascist".
Oh and antifa aren't anarchists, they probably can't even spell "anarchist".
America's newest monument.
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20953116_1793562730666740_6513711027430478598_n.jp g?oh=4cbb9d07d0ea4487b35298d116c4e7f1&oe=5A2FFF1D
OtterbatHellcat
08-25-2017, 14:49
There ought to be one at every state capital and at every municipality.
Another examination of why the left seeks to destroy history.
the real purpose of the progressives is to create turmoil, chaos; keep society and its institutions reeling from one punch to the next. The only solution to this turmoil? Why, naturally, more progressive government and regulation.
http://www.thediplomad.com/2017/08/statute-of-limitations-on-statue.html
Add destruction of the nuclear family to the list of creating turmoil and chaos...and dependency.
So what's all this talk of November 4th and antifa starting a civil war?
So what's all this talk of November 4th and antifa starting a civil war?
I would have to understand the antifa definition of war.
Great-Kazoo
08-27-2017, 18:39
So what's all this talk of November 4th and antifa starting a civil war?
Not sure how legit the web sites are. Based on some quick browsing, probably none of them.
/search.yahoo.com/search;
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-111081-2.html
https://prepforthat.com/refuse-fascism-calls-for-remove-trump-riots-on-november-4/
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/antifa-are-planning-a-nationwide-day-of-riots-on-november-4th/71730167/
So what's all this talk of November 4th and antifa starting a civil war?Any (perceived by antia/sjw) connection to Hungary 1956?
I doubt they're that esoteric, and it's probably a huge coincidence. We all know how they adopt events/causes to support their actions, even when they have to distort facts/history/reality to make it fit.
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