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CS1983
08-25-2017, 12:01
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (KKTV) - A newsletter posted on the University of Colorado Colorado Springs (UCCS) campus is starting to make the rounds on social media and it states veterans should be banned from four-year universities. Several viewers asked 11 News to look into the origin of the newsletter
The letter states military veterans should be banned from classes and compares the military culture to white supremacist groups.
The newsletter is titled "Social Justice Collective Weekly" and says it is the first issue. A spokesperson for UCCS said the newsletter has nothing to do with the school and does not represent the institution's views. However, it was approved by the university and posted on a bulletin board. The school says anyone is allowed to post items on the board.
The university explained while this group is not affiliated with the college, they say it is free speech and the group can post what they want.

The article says veterans should be banned from UCCS and other four-year colleges. It also generalizes veterans and says they are unsympathetic to the LGBTQ community. The article says all veterans have far right-wing ideologies.



"They [the authors of the letter] try and talk about inclusion as a principle," said UCCS student Joe Hollmann. "Yet, they're excluding one of the most important members of society, those that are guarding our freedom to even talk about this."
"There's a lot of hate in the world," said fellow UCCS student Caleb Hensley. "You can't fight hate with hate."
All of the students 11 News interviewed on campus disagreed with the stance the letter takes. The newsletter was also in the library and other places, but students have been taking them down.
UCCS told 11 News the author is not a current student and couldn't confirm if they were previously enrolled. We emailed the address on the newsletter, but haven't heard back as of Friday morning. The author is listed in the article as Terry Steinawitz. UCCS said there is not a student by that name, and 11 News wasn't able to find any records of anyone who goes by that name in Colorado. According to email responses to 11 News viewers by the editors of the letter, they say they are using fake names to protect themselves.


The actual content:



The newsletter reads as follows:

A four-year, traditional university is supposed to be a place of learning, of understanding, of safety and security. However, there is an element among us who may be frustrating those goals: Veterans.
UCCS is known for its number of veterans who are full and part-time students. But these veterans of much of the school prides themselves on may be hurting the university.
First off, many veterans openly mock the ideas of diversity and safe spaces for vulnerable members of society. This is directly in contradiction to the mission of UCCS. Many veterans utter the mantra that they, "do not see color". But the problem lies in their socialization into the military culture that is that of a white supremacist organization. They have been permanently tainted, and are no long fit for a four-year university.
Second, many students are frightened by the presence of veterans in their classrooms. Veterans usually have an overwhelming presence in the classroom, which can distract other students. This is usually true for vulnerable individual such as LGBTQQI2SAA, who have been known to be the butt of insensitive jokes made by veterans.
Finally, veterans usually are associated with extremists right-wing groups such as the tea party and the NRA. In order to provide a safe place for all students, extremist right-wing groups must be suppressed on campus. This would include their followers: veterans.
That is not to say that veterans should not be allowed an education. Veterans should be allowed to attend trade schools, or maybe even community college. But, in order to protect our academic institutions we must ban veterans from four-year universities.




http://www.kktv.com/content/news/Controversial-newsletter-compares-veterans-to-white-supremacists-441704493.html

So... um, yeah.

I chuckled. Then I remembered folks like the author are probably itching for the day folks like me get disappeared.

SuperiorDG
08-25-2017, 12:08
I think the Professors are concerned about having older more mature students in their classrooms, ones with real world experiences. These folks are not as easily brainwashed into the professor's belief systems.

Scanker19
08-25-2017, 12:14
A black guy, a Mexican, an Asian, and a white guy all crawl into a tank.... told a bunch of racist jokes about one another. Ahhhh memories....

If I can still say anything positive about the military, its that Universities could take some lessons from the military about diversity, race, and putting aside petty differences to focus on the mission.

clodhopper
08-25-2017, 12:28
If I can still say anything positive about the military, its that Universities could take some lessons from the military about diversity, race, and putting aside petty differences to focus on the mission.

I think you misunderstand the mission of these education institutions is not education in the sense that you would generally understand. This stuff IS the mission...

Skip
08-25-2017, 12:32
How dare you assume my veteran status! Did I share my DD214 with you? No!

I'm Branch Fluid anyway. I run a broom like a Marine and pilot a desk like an Airman.

Don't try to put me in a box!

CS1983
08-25-2017, 12:46
Not that I agree with the mentally ill, but what about the SEAL that thinks he's a chick? Is he a threat to this SJW fantasy world?

Scanker19
08-25-2017, 12:47
How dare you assume my veteran status! Did I share my DD214 with you? No!

I'm Branch Fluid anyway. I run a broom like a Marine and pilot a desk like an Airman.

Don't try to put me in a box!

You're not too far off from the truth. Ever see a Marine get called a soldier? "You didn't use the proper pronoun..."

crays
08-25-2017, 12:48
Not even a well written statement. Piss-poor grammar and structure. Go figure...

Scanker19
08-25-2017, 12:49
Not that I agree with the mentally ill, but what about the SEAL that thinks he's a chick? Is he a threat to this SJW fantasy world?


If you point out their hypocrisy you'll only be labeled a racist/nazi/alt-right/tumptard/cist man/etc...

Dave_L
08-25-2017, 12:53
Interesting trend...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/becoming-a-racist-the-unfortunate-side-effect-of-serving_us_5995afe4e4b056a2b0ef038c?ncid=engmodush pmg00000003


In an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Vice News’ Elle Reeve mentions that security for the neo-Nazis was not provided by the Charlottesville police, as one might expect, but by veterans of the Iraq/Afghan war.

To hear that these veterans claim they were ‘radicalized’ in Iraq and Afghanistan during their tours of duty is one of the more unfortunate things to come to light regarding the side-effects of serving your country.

By now, we’re all familiar with PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and even with proper treatment, the debilitating state it can leave a returning soldier in, sometimes for the rest of their lives.

But to learn that these brave men and women over there return with a new-found hatred for those different from them, especially after their mission is one of liberation from those who kill and persecute anyone of different faiths/beliefs, is quite disturbing to say the least.

elsilrac1
08-25-2017, 12:54
Let the LGBTQ community go server their country and see how they handle life - 12 year veteran here - wife served 4 years - this is Bull SHIT!

.455_Hunter
08-25-2017, 12:58
If I can still say anything positive about the military, its that Universities could take some lessons from the military about diversity, race, and putting aside petty differences to focus on the mission.

Yup- Even in the pre-9/11 era, I was impressed how the Army had moved into a truly post-racial environment. Members of all races filled spots up and down the chain-of-command, and you could call a jackass a jackass, regardless of their ethnic origin. If somebody did try to pull the "I am special because I am ________" crap, they got smacked down pretty quick, usually by people of the same _______.

Zundfolge
08-25-2017, 13:04
I don't know about banning them, but I would strongly encourage vets (and well anyone with half a brain really) to avoid the socialist indoctrination centers that are modern universities ... unless you're trying to get a STEM or Medical degree, just go get a job ... college isn't worth the cost.

CS1983
08-25-2017, 13:13
I don't know about banning them, but I would strongly encourage vets (and well anyone with half a brain really) to avoid the socialist indoctrination centers that are modern universities ... unless you're trying to get a STEM or Medical degree, just go get a job ... college isn't worth the cost.

The military itself is now just as bad, if not worse. A person can change to a different university if the one they attend is too left and they don't like it. Can't exactly just leave the military.

bobbyfairbanks
08-25-2017, 13:27
Going to school in spring. Please start targeting veterans. Since I'm one of those special veterans they can start with me. It will be a real hoot

CS1983
08-25-2017, 13:52
Going to school in spring. Please start targeting veterans. Since I'm one of those special veterans they can start with me. It will be a real hoot

What do you plan to major in?

clodhopper
08-25-2017, 14:17
Women's Studies.

Great-Kazoo
08-25-2017, 14:23
What do you plan to major in?

I majored in Malfunction ;)

On a serious note one of the issues in college are the 1st year students. They need to attend certain courses to earn credits. Question any instructor and it starts rolling down hill. I called out one of my "professors" over her b.s . The looks on the students faces when i did was one of horror. Like, are you serious we need to pass this class.

Fortunately i was auditing classes and not dependant on getting a passing grade.

sigmanx
08-25-2017, 16:55
A black guy, a Mexican, an Asian, and a white guy all crawl into a tank.... told a bunch of racist jokes about one another. Ahhhh memories....

If I can still say anything positive about the military, its that Universities could take some lessons from the military about diversity, race, and putting aside petty differences to focus on the mission.True that. Military and Leo.

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sigmanx
08-25-2017, 16:56
How dare you assume my veteran status! Did I share my DD214 with you? No!

I'm Branch Fluid anyway. I run a broom like a Marine and pilot a desk like an Airman.

Don't try to put me in a box!B e a utiful.

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sigmanx
08-25-2017, 16:57
Let the LGBTQ community go server their country and see how they handle life - 12 year veteran here - wife served 4 years - this is Bull SHIT!It all is.

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CS1983
08-25-2017, 17:06
A black guy, a Mexican, an Asian, and a white guy all crawl into a tank.... told a bunch of racist jokes about one another. Ahhhh memories....

If I can still say anything positive about the military, its that Universities could take some lessons from the military about diversity, race, and putting aside petty differences to focus on the mission.

Memories:

1) Telling SPC Correa on a run that it's a good thing he was born here, cus if he had to cross the border with his running ability, he'd have never made it. Correa then proceeds to fall out from laughing so hard he couldn't breathe.

2) The Jamaican in the sniper section saying, "Any of you crackers want to come over this weekend to eat pulled pork and drink Red Stripe?" To which one of the redneck snipers replies, "only if your hot cousin is gonna be there." Someone else replies, "Speak English, jungle monkey. All I heard was ooga booga" Jamaican laughs and replies time to be there.

3) SSG who was so black he was almost purple, so his nickname was Blurple.

Contra:

The sniper section sergeant who would non-ironically listen to Skrewdriver cds and had SS runes tattooed surreptitiously on a cartoon character's sunglasses.

OtterbatHellcat
08-25-2017, 17:23
1) Telling SPC Correa on a run that it's a good thing he was born here, cus if he had to cross the border with his running ability, he'd have never made it. Correa then proceeds to fall out from laughing so hard he couldn't breathe.

2) The Jamaican in the sniper section saying, "Any of you crackers want to come over this weekend to eat pulled pork and drink Red Stripe?" To which one of the redneck snipers replies, "only if your hot cousin is gonna be there." Someone else replies, "Speak English, jungle monkey. All I heard was ooga booga" Jamaican laughs and replies time to be there.

3) SSG who was so black he was almost purple, so his nickname was Blurple.

This banter is what I'm used to.

Honey Badger282.8
08-25-2017, 17:58
Heh, I'm a vet that just started school in Kansas. One week in I'm pleasantly surprised that I haven't see anything close to this. I'm also on a campus that only offers STEM degrees so ther is that.

bobbyfairbanks
08-25-2017, 21:07
True that. Military and Leo.

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Got to together with a bunch of vets at shot show last year and that's how it went. Great timw

cstone
08-25-2017, 22:01
As long as the tuition is getting paid, no one is kicking anyone out of a university. These are businesses and most of them have been enjoying pretty hefty profit margins.

JohnnyDrama
08-26-2017, 07:38
I think the Professors are concerned about having older more mature students in their classrooms, ones with real world experiences. These folks are not as easily brainwashed into the professor's belief systems.


A black guy, a Mexican, an Asian, and a white guy all crawl into a tank.... told a bunch of racist jokes about one another. Ahhhh memories....

If I can still say anything positive about the military, its that Universities could take some lessons from the military about diversity, race, and putting aside petty differences to focus on the mission.

Agree 100%

I enrolled in college just weeks after being released from active duty back in the 80s. Veteran status wasn't such a big deal. The professors seemed to appreciate more mature students in the classroom. Having a broader mix of people led to a better discussion. I went back to school in 2002 and what a difference. The professors' opinions were not to be questioned, discussions were more like consensus building, and the professors seemed intent on developing a following among the students.