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RblDiver
08-29-2017, 15:04
I think I'm going to go look out my window for my flying bacon delivery. Some actual sanity coming from some Ivy League profs!

https://jmp.princeton.edu/announcements/some-thoughts-and-advice-our-students-and-all-students

It's pretty short, so here it is in full:


We are scholars and teachers at Princeton, Harvard, and Yale who have some thoughts to share and advice to offer students who are headed off to colleges around the country. Our advice can be distilled to three words:

Think for yourself.

Now, that might sound easy. But you will find—as you may have discovered already in high school—that thinking for yourself can be a challenge. It always demands self-discipline and these days can require courage.

In today’s climate, it’s all-too-easy to allow your views and outlook to be shaped by dominant opinion on your campus or in the broader academic culture. The danger any student—or faculty member—faces today is falling into the vice of conformism, yielding to groupthink.

At many colleges and universities what John Stuart Mill called “the tyranny of public opinion” does more than merely discourage students from dissenting from prevailing views on moral, political, and other types of questions. It leads them to suppose that dominant views are so obviously correct that only a bigot or a crank could question them.
Since no one wants to be, or be thought of as, a bigot or a crank, the easy, lazy way to proceed is simply by falling into line with campus orthodoxies.

Don’t do that. Think for yourself.

Thinking for yourself means questioning dominant ideas even when others insist on their being treated as unquestionable. It means deciding what one believes not by conforming to fashionable opinions, but by taking the trouble to learn and honestly consider the strongest arguments to be advanced on both or all sides of questions—including arguments for positions that others revile and want to stigmatize and against positions others seek to immunize from critical scrutiny.

The love of truth and the desire to attain it should motivate you to think for yourself. The central point of a college education is to seek truth and to learn the skills and acquire the virtues necessary to be a lifelong truth-seeker. Open-mindedness, critical thinking, and debate are essential to discovering the truth. Moreover, they are our best antidotes to bigotry.
Merriam-Webster’s first definition of the word “bigot” is a person “who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.” The only people who need fear open-minded inquiry and robust debate are the actual bigots, including those on campuses or in the broader society who seek to protect the hegemony of their opinions by claiming that to question those opinions is itself bigotry.

So don’t be tyrannized by public opinion. Don’t get trapped in an echo chamber. Whether you in the end reject or embrace a view, make sure you decide where you stand by critically assessing the arguments for the competing positions.

Think for yourself.

Good luck to you in college!

SuperiorDG
08-29-2017, 15:48
Probably the most important thing told to me by a professor was "you don't have to believe what is being taught, you just have to understand it."

.455_Hunter
08-29-2017, 16:35
Soon to be ex-Ivy League Profs...

Paul Bloom
Brooks and Suzanne Ragen Professor of Psychology
Yale University
Nicholas Christakis
Sol Goldman Family Professor of Social and Natural Science
Yale University
Carlos Eire
T. Lawrason Riggs Professor of History and Religious Studies
Yale University
Maria E. Garlock
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Co-Director of the Program in Architecture and Engineering
Princeton University
Robert P. George
McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions
Princeton University
Mary Ann Glendon
Learned Hand Professor of Law
Harvard University
Joshua Katz
Cotsen Professor in the Humanities and Professor of Classics
Princeton University
Thomas P. Kelly
Professor of Philosophy
Princeton University
Jon Levenson
Albert A. List Professor of Jewish Studies
Harvard University
John B. Londregan
Professor of Politics and International Affairs
Princeton University
Michael A. Reynolds
Associate Professor of Near Eastern Studies
Princeton University
Jacqueline C. Rivers
Lecturer in Sociology and African and African-American Studies
Harvard University
Noël Valis
Professor of Spanish
Yale University
Tyler VanderWeele
Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics and Director of the Program on Integrative Knowledge and Human Flourishing
Harvard University
Adrian Vermeule
Ralph S. Tyler, Jr. Professor of Constitutional Law
Harvard University

OtterbatHellcat
08-29-2017, 17:06
Thanks for the post, Diver.

I learned a few things after reading that.

OtterbatHellcat
08-29-2017, 18:14
Heya HBAR....

I don't know if you were addressing me, or the OP, ....but I would say that I did not read a warning of centrist or right side influence in that post. I say that because "the tyranny of public opinion" ON any college campus is overwhelmingly Liberal, including the opinions of the majority of professors teaching on them.

The things I learned after reading the OP post, are that I now know a lot more about John Stuart Mill and his contribution to the Utilitarianism Ideals, and his near Socialist beliefs and a few other things (which I don't like) .....and that I now know about the word "hegemony" and what it means.

Skip
08-29-2017, 18:49
you do understand they werent saying question what the left says right? They are saying question everything anyone right of center or center says.

They're not allowed to question non-Libs, they are required to hate without question. This is why you're not "wrong" you're "literally Hitler." And so am I.

def90
08-29-2017, 19:11
The James Madison Program is a Conservative based group so this will immediately be brushed off as garbage by the vast majority out there..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison_Program_in_American_Ideals_and_Insti tutions

"The Madison Program was founded in 2002 and is headed by Robert P. George, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University.[2] According to Jane Mayer, writing in The Chronicle of Higher Education, it was founded as a "beachhead" of the "conservative cells" established by the conservative John M. Olin Foundation at "the most influential schools in order to gain the greatest leverage". The Olin Foundation made $525,000 in grant money available. According to Mayer, George is "an outspoken social and religious conservative."[3]

The Program has been praised for its ability to enable cooperation between Catholic and Evangelical Christians.[4]

OtterbatHellcat
08-29-2017, 19:23
Learning is Neato... ;)

Gman
08-29-2017, 19:59
Sounds good to me. Don't be a lemming.

crays
08-29-2017, 20:03
you do understand they werent saying question what the left says right? They are saying question everything anyone right of center or center says.Unfortunately, this is truth spoken.

While they dominate the media, education and other information outlets, they still portray themselves as the "minority voice/opinion" [minority=small, not minority=black/brown/female,etc. necessarily].
They cannot properly manipulate the hoardes of minions if they are perceived as the majority opinion.
""We have the numbers, but they control the think! We must act, to stand for what we believe, and right the wrongs!!""
That's how they stir the ire of the useful idiots and assemble them to act.

We are effectively outmatched strategically. They are seasoned Generals, and we, because we value structure, order and logic, are mere children in this arena.

God help us. We are facing a forest fire with garden hoses and buckets.

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Ah Pook
08-29-2017, 20:20
Interesting. Jordan B. Peterson and Stefan Molyneux are saying the same thing. "Think for yourself" no string attached.