View Full Version : I Survived a Pit Bull Attack Today
Bailey Guns
08-29-2017, 21:04
OK...it wasn't quite as dramatic as the thread title...
For the last I don't know how many years I've had jobs where I encounter dogs every day I've worked....since the late 80s. I had a few close calls on the street where OC at least deterred a dog from really going after me. It seemed to surprise them more than anything else. Once in Evergreen two dogs were sure they wanted a piece of me but a blast from the propane nozzle worked wonders to discourage them.
I went to a house today I've never been to before. Nothing in the notes about a dog. I drove around to the back of the house and backed to within 15' of the propane tank. The yard was open...no fence or anything...and in a rural area. Didn't appear to be anyone at home.
In the mirror I saw a very stout looking Pit Bull behind the truck. I don't normally have problems with any dogs I encounter but I also know when to use good judgement. I grabbed a few cookies and stepped out on to the steps of the truck. The dog was right at the back of the truck on the drivers side. I'm guessing she weighed about 50-55 pounds. She was barking, but not a "serious" bark and her body language was more like, "Hey...just want you to know this is my territory." Just like a normal dog bark that you hear a dozen times a day. I tossed her a cookie but she didn't see it. I was talking to her, she was wagging her tail, but still barking. I know a wagging tail can mean lots of things but this was a pretty casual wag...no real red flags at this point. I tossed her another cookie and she picked it up and ate it. I stepped off the steps on to the ground but didn't want to walk towards her so I just waited for her to move. I left the door to the truck open just in case.
She wandered around to the back of the truck and would occasionally let out a little "woof". Once she made her way back to the deck of the house, about 30' behind the truck, I walked to the back of the truck to set the meter and get the hose. She didn't pay me much mind. I got to the tank, which was right next to a garage (and about 15-20 feet from my open truck door), and opened the lid. As I started attaching the nozzle her demeanor instantly changed. She walked over to me rather quickly, her tail went almost upright and stopped wagging, and her bark got a lot more agitated. I was standing right at the tank and started to remove the nozzle. I didn't have any type of weapon. The propane nozzle was what I brung to the fight. She bumped my left shin with her snout twice and was really growling and barking by now. Shit done got real. I was trying to stay calm and remove the nozzle as fast as I could. Just as it cleared the fill valve she lunged for the lower part of my left leg. I was able to jerk my leg away just in time to avoid most of the bite. I felt her teeth scrape my shin through my jeans...which she caught in her teeth.
At that point I gave her a full 1 second-ish blast of propane, probably 150-200 psi and painfully cold, right square in the face from about a foot away. In my experience that usually works wonders to discourage unfriendly dogs. All it did to this dog was piss her off...with a capital "P". I started backing up to the truck and she lunged at me again. I opened the damn nozzle and just kept backing up. She was actually trying to bite the end of the nozzle. She was not discouraged by the noise, the pressure or the cold AT ALL. I got to the truck and she finally decided to back off a bit. She ran back to the deck and I climbed in the truck but left the propane nozzle draped over my tire chain rack.
I sat there for a minute and watched her. She was barking at me but stayed on the deck. I opened the door and stepped out on the step again just to see what she would do...because I still had a bout 20' of propane hose on the ground behind the truck. Game on. As soon as I opened the door she bolted off the deck towards me. I didn't wanna push my luck and propane hoses can be replaced a lot easier than my leg. So I just got back in the truck and slowly drove down the driveway until I was a safe distance from the house.
A couple of things became apparent to me as I considered what had happened. 1) If I'd had a more traditional weapon while still performing my job, a knife or gun, I would've been bitten...probably badly...before I could've got the knife or gun into play. Because if I were to carry a gun it would have to be REALLY DEEP concealment which = really small. It would be problematic in a situation like that to get it into play. And a knife (in a size I could carry) isn't the quickest or most effective, either, especially on a really determined dog. But, a knife is still something and I can carry a knife. I'll start tomorrow. 2) Dogs can be unpredictable. I know that. What I don't know is what, exactly, triggered the change in this dog's behavior. You can't and shouldn't trust them...especially if you don't know them. 3) It would've been really ugly if I'd had to beat a 50-something pound pit bull to death while it was attached to my lower leg. Unfortunately, I don't have many options for protection...well, that are company approved, anyway. I'm seriously contemplating how important "company approved" is. And it's always the little things that bite you in the ass and get you caught doing something you shouldn't. So I'm still pondering this. 4) It reminded me just how fast things can go bad. I know that, I've seen that. But sometimes a not-too-painful reminder is a good thing. 5) Always have a plan. I took a risk with a dog I didn't know. It was a judgment call. But I knew what I'd try to do if it went bad. What I didn't have was a Plan B for when the always-successful-up-to-this-point propane blast strategy didn't work. I still don't, really. I guess it worked, it just took a lot longer than it ever has before.
Holger Danske
08-29-2017, 21:28
Glad that your story had a happy ending. Was the owner at home during the encounter? I'm guessing no.
Maybe an ASP would give you an option agreeable to the "company"?
I'd say your title is ok. I too deal with dogs all day. I am a dog lover , have two.
If I don't know it, it gets put away or I'm gone. No questions asked. I've had too many close calls with "oh , he's friendly ' to put up with that shit anymore. Id hate to have to kill someone's dog in front of them. And it would happen.
Spray works best. Hard to believe the company would have a problem with that. Plus , there are bears in Idaho ! Hehe.
Worst one was a St. Bernard that had a good 25lbs on me , and I ain't little. Got home that day and I was shy around my Labrador for a bit lol
jhood001
08-29-2017, 22:09
Glad you're okay!
buffalobo
08-29-2017, 22:20
Best damn reason I ever heard for Stihl chaps in the cab for such a circumstance and tire knocker on lanyard.
spqrzilla
08-29-2017, 22:25
Some pit bulls take a lot of beating.
colorider
08-29-2017, 22:32
Any reason you just didn't turn around and drive off when you saw an off leash pit bull barking at you? Threatening dog, you get no propane.
Fentonite
08-29-2017, 22:48
The dog's owner(s) is an asshole. They put the dog in a position where it might feel that it needed to do "its job", and put you in a position in which you might have gotten hurt, or ended the dog (or both). Can't blame the pup for deciding what is or isn't a threat in his own yard when he's left alone to make that decision. Good thing you're a "dog-person", or this would've likely gone worse, in several ways.
Great-Kazoo
08-29-2017, 22:49
Maybe an ASP would give you an option agreeable to the "company"?
If this pup was anything like a friend of mine, just would have slowed her a sec or two.
I second the no dog (any breed) on leash, no delivery .
Wow, hard to fathom ANYTHING enduring a blast to the face from a propane nozzle to continue the attack!
Wow, hard to fathom ANYTHING enduring a blast to the face from a propane nozzle to continue the attack!
Just think of those dogs that attack porcupines and get every damn quill the animal had in them. Just keep going.
Man, you need an igniter on that propane nozzle.
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No advice to give, as you and the other folks here no more about legal issues, etc. as relate to this. Just glad you're ok!
Bailey Guns
08-30-2017, 06:47
An ASP would probably be OK. But I've had a lot of experience using ASPs on people and they're marginally effective. I'm just doubtful they'd be any more effective on a determined dog. But, it's something to consider.
Any reason you just didn't turn around and drive off when you saw an off leash pit bull barking at you? Threatening dog, you get no propane.
Honestly? No. Not a good reason, anyway. On the other hand I didn't just hop out of the truck assuming the dog was OK. I've done it before (the leaving without delivery due to dog thing) but, like I said, I made a judgement call. It's hard to explain without being able to show you, but this dog wasn't acting aggressive. Yeah, she was barking. But if I drove away from every barking dog I encounter few people would get propane. On the other hand, that will definitely be Option 1 in the future.
The dog's owner(s) is an asshole. They put the dog in a position where it might feel that it needed to do "its job", and put you in a position in which you might have gotten hurt, or ended the dog (or both). Can't blame the pup for deciding what is or isn't a threat in his own yard when he's left alone to make that decision. Good thing you're a "dog-person", or this would've likely gone worse, in several ways.
That's pretty much how I feel. I don't blame the dog. And it's hard to say why the dog wasn't put away. People don't always know when we're coming to deliver. I decided to get out of the truck so that's on me. Probably enough blame to go around. But it won't happen again...not there anyway.
Bailey Guns
08-30-2017, 06:48
Man, you need an igniter on that propane nozzle.
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Ha! I thought of that. But it's really freakin hard to get that damn propane to burn.
Happy you're otherwise okay.
I'd be having some conversations with the owners.
All dogs have a switch but pit mixes seem to have a really light one. Our family's (mostly lab mix) lost her shit exactly once in her 18 years. It was a guy who trying to open the front door as my mom was answering it. Dog was so behaved he must not have known she was there until she snipped him good in the arm. Guy took off, fast. At first mom was mad at dog but I explained the guy was probably up to no good.
That was a good dog.
Ha! I thought of that. But it's really freakin hard to get that damn propane to burn.
Yea, I think shutting it off might be the hard part but it might be worth it just to singe the eyebrows on an aggressive mutt. I ran propane routes out of Estes for a couple years. We didn't have modern safety shutoffs back then.
A dog bite can cause permanent tissue damage in an instant, and an ensuing infection can be worse. The owner of the dog that bit you needs to be found and animal control should be involved. That dog is going to hurt somebody if it hasn't already.
Glad you are ok.
I think the dog was ok with you initially since you just drove up and were just hanging out. But when you touched her property, the tank, it assumed you were up to no good. I think the dog was well behaved, but instinct kicked in. The owner is a douche for putting you both in danger.
I think a see through riot shield would make a great defensive tool for you. Something light and wide that can be put between you and the dog.
Bailey Guns
08-30-2017, 09:11
I reported the incident to my boss. Our admin people will be talking to the owners and the address will be flagged. I really don't want the dog to suffer because of this. I'm not convinced the dog really did anything wrong other than be a protective dog. The guy that normally works that area doesn't ever recall going to that house so we must not service it regularly.
BPTactical
08-30-2017, 09:14
The only failure on your behalf was to not hold the BIC lighter in one hand while you gave it a faceful of propane.
Fuck Pits!
Genetic failure that only exists for one purpose.
Sounds like you did a good job of staying alert and responding to the situation. Situations with dogs can go south really fast. I was moving a table in a barn of a family member with the dog's owner there (I knew the dog really well). The 180lbs monster decided he didn't like me touching his stuff and clamped on to my leg from the back; I thought I ran into something sharp at first. As soon as I called him out by his name, he realized he screwed up, let go, and ran off. Even if they seem OK, things can change in an instant even if you know them and they have always been good in the past. The Pit's prey drive is really strong, once that has been triggered, I'm not surprised at all that he wasn't deterred with the propane blast.
Edit: I forgot to mention that I have a real disdain for the owners who put you in this situation as well as all owners who don't recognized the issue. Regardless of how well trained and great my dog is is with other people, I don't put septic, propane, UPS, etc. through the headache of having to watch my dog.
Zundfolge
08-30-2017, 13:02
For fun I was going to go to YouTube and find a video of a cute pitbull puppy "attacking" someone to post here. Hoping I'd find one with a title something like "Horrific pitbull attack!" ... but all I found was genuinely horrific videos of pitbull attacks and their aftermaths.
Aloha_Shooter
08-30-2017, 13:20
Does your company prohibit you from carrying sports equipment while on the job? I'm thinking a bat or golf club would provide a longer reach for keeping the dog at bay.
My healer knew the sound of our propane truck and would chase him. Once stopped he would sit right at the door so the driver couldn't get out without giving treats.
The only failure on your behalf was to not hold the BIC lighter in one hand while you gave it a faceful of propane.
Fuck Pits!
Genetic failure that only exists for one purpose.
Oh really? Is that drowning people in slobber and cuddles? Cause you've apparently been jaded by an asshole owning a pit.
Glad your ok Bailey Guns. Being a dog related thread I'll just add, IBTL.
hurley842002
08-30-2017, 15:14
Glad your ok Bailey Guns. Being a dog related thread I'll just add, IBTL.
I was thinking at a minimum..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170830/2fc3a1cc04f2aa0d7f172e8375efadda.jpg
Glad it worked out OK Bailey Guns.
Bailey Guns
08-30-2017, 15:46
My healer knew the sound of our propane truck and would chase him. Once stopped he would sit right at the door so the driver couldn't get out without giving treats.
Yep...that's how most of "my" dogs on my route are. They think the big round truck is the cookie delivery vehicle.
The dog's owner(s) is an asshole. They put the dog in a position where it might feel that it needed to do "its job", and put you in a position in which you might have gotten hurt, or ended the dog (or both). Can't blame the pup for deciding what is or isn't a threat in his own yard when he's left alone to make that decision. Good thing you're a "dog-person", or this would've likely gone worse, in several ways.
^My thoughts exactly! Glad your ok Bailey!!!
mackbamf
08-30-2017, 18:00
In all seriousness glad you are ok. I have had a couple of near-misses with dog bites and it is no joke.
If I had a dollar for every encounter with one of them unpredictable Golden Retrievers, those little Golden fuckers will tear you up!! Not all, but nothing to do with the innate unpredictability with the breed, right?
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BPTactical
08-30-2017, 20:11
Oh really? Is that drowning people in slobber and cuddles? Cause you've apparently been jaded by an asshole owning a pit.
You couldn't be more wrong
I was very well educated early on by a Veterinarian with over 50 years of experience in the field.
You see dogs have been bred for thousands of years for particular traits. Some for guarding, some for their coats, some to find and obtain game etc.
Pit breeds historically were bred for one purpose and one purpose only.
To fight.
To kill.
Add the amount of inbreeding that has occurred and you get further undesirable traits.
One of those traits is instability of temperament. It can be the nicest dog and then an unknown trigger can occur resulting in its primal instincts and breeding traits coming out.
Oh I know, other breeds are responsible for more actual bite incidents (Golden Retrievers and full size Poodles come to mind) but they typically do not result in the tremendous bite wounds and viciousness of attack that pit breeds incur.
I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for any variety of pit.
SideShow Bob
08-30-2017, 20:43
You couldn't be more wrong
I was very well educated early on by a Veterinarian with over 50 years of experience in the field.
You see dogs have been bred for thousands of years for particular traits. Some for guarding, some for their coats, some to find and obtain game etc.
Pit breeds historically were bred for one purpose and one purpose only.
To fight.
To kill.
Add the amount of inbreeding that has occurred and you get further undesirable traits.
One of those traits is instability of temperament. It can be the nicest dog and then an unknown trigger can occur resulting in its primal instincts and breeding traits coming out.
Oh I know, other breeds are responsible for more actual bite incidents (Golden Retrievers and full size Poodles come to mind) but they typically do not result in the tremendous bite wounds and viciousness of attack that pit breeds incur.
I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for any variety of pit.
I concur with this. The pit bull that I owned back in the late 80's was a pure bred papered UKC registered one. She was never trained to be aggressive, she was trained to be gentle & tolerant. We had a 2'ish year old and a toddler in the house at the time.
You would be shocked at what she would put up with from the kids and just lay there enjoying it.
But, when she was about three years old, the first time she saw another animal, there was no stopping her from attacking and tearing it to shreds. First a stray cat, then a opossum and the only thing that saved the raccoon, was the fact it was able to get up a tree.
Then there was the time we had some friends over, I was sitting on the couch and the pit was laying on the floor to my left, my toddler daughter was sitting on the floor to my right and my friend (who was familiar and friendly with the dog since it was a puppy) was on couch just past my daughter.
My friend was taking a drink of his beer and kind of fumbled it, the next thing I hear is a deep growl and the dog lept over my lap at my friend.
Luckily I was able to catch her in mid air above my daughter and kept my friend from getting bitten and or chewed up.
After that, the dog was gone within a week.
OtterbatHellcat
08-30-2017, 20:49
Naw they won't lock it ......everyone loves dogs.
I always wanted an Aussie Shepard ....you know, one I could act all John Wayne style with and just say, "Dog"....and it knew what I meant or wanted it to do.
That would be cool. I grew up with all kinds of animals, and I like quite many of species and breeds across the board. I don't know anyone that would want to own a pit or pit mix, dober or a rottie.
Unstable at best IMO.
I'm really glad you're okay.
I wonder if a pair of thick/tall gaiters or chaps aren't called for here- I can imagine the amount of dogs, snakes, and other bitey critters on your route. (Just like buffalobo suggested.) I'd also order some business cards from Vistaprint (with your boss's permission) statig something ie, "Please call to reschedule for delivery; your guard dog is simply too efficient for our serviceman" or something to that effect. It's tongue-in-cheek, but it gently alerts the owner that as long as rover is on patrol, ain't nobody getting their propane.
Every dog can bite; Pits and Cane Corsos have a propensity and a reputation that has been earned by sheer numbers. I've found that Cocker Spaniels, Boykin Spaniels, and Spaniel mixes have a tendency to go into unpredictable, uncontrollable rages from time to time. Chow chows are also not to be trusted.
The ignorant and fear mongered opinions.. I'm just out of this post.
OtterbatHellcat
09-01-2017, 16:49
Naw.....you aren't ignorant, and neither am I. Differing opinions don't indicate stupidity, especially among friends.
It's cool bro.
The ignorant and fear mongered opinions.. I'm just out of this post.
No, Monky, if you'll read the opinions, they've all got experiences in common. Most are based on anecdotal and/or personal experiences.
I used to groom dogs and work at a vet clinic. Many dog owners that would bring their animals in for grooms had no idea how to handle their dogs. There were some that were actually scared to death of their dogs because they had no idea how to be a dog owner.
Many popular breeds have been inbred for so long that they have behavioral issues. Or you have the dog owner that buys an animal because they match the furniture, like the way the dog looks, or enjoys the reactions of people that see their dog. Or they think every dog will behave like a labrador, not understanding that way back when, the dog breed was created for a specific duty. Each breed has a propensity for specific reactions and behaviors. If you don't believe me, look up the histories of terriers. Or any herding breed, such as Australian Shepherds or Maremma Sheepdogs. Or fightng breeds like the Tosa. Or Perro de Presa Canario.
Owner responsibility plays a huge role in how a dog is raised, trained and controlled. Most owners don't give a flying fuck how their dog behaves, and often condone bad manners by letting their own Id project upon the animal. Dogs have drives that are often enhanced by breeding- and territoriality is right up there. If a herding breed doesn't have access to a flock or herd of some sort, he's going to herd you and your kids and anyone else he can, whenever he gets a chance. If he bowls over a small kid during that instance, is he to blame for following instinct, or is the owner to blame for not channeling that drive elsewhere?
This thread actually has two schools of thought that are not mutualy exclusive: that of owner responsibility, and that of canine breed propensity.
The only 'ignorant' and 'fear mongered' opinion is that which has no truth to it, and is based solely on feels alone.
RblDiver
09-02-2017, 14:51
Don't let it run up to people - or their animals - unless they consent in advance.
Amen to this. I don't care if your dog won Service Dog of the Year 10 times in a row, is the sweetest thing that would never harm someone. One of my friends is deathly afraid of dogs, no matter how loving, and reactions in humans cause reactions in animals.
BPTactical
09-02-2017, 14:52
The ignorant and fear mongered opinions.. I'm just out of this post.
So you are calling an extremely learned and educated man, who wrote quite a few articles and contributions to the American Veterinary Association, an honored guest lecturer and educator at Colorado State University (one of the best veterinary schools in the nation BTW), who lectured on veterinary medicine at national symposiums (by invitation), a man who innovated surgical procedures on race horses that reduced their recovery period by a third, who also innovated 4 specific small animal surgical procedures (and yet refused to allow any of the aforementioned procedures to be named after him), a man who ran an extremely well regarded private veterinary practice for over 40 years-
"Ignorant and Fear Mongering" ?
User name is appropriate
GilpinGuy
09-02-2017, 19:43
User name is appropriate
Oh boy.
kidicarus13
12-21-2017, 12:40
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article190557969.html
“The most important detail that we did not release because we were worried about the well-being of the family is that in the course of trying to capture the dogs ... I observed, as well as four other deputy sheriffs, the dogs eating the ribcage on the body.”
"Contrary to previous statements, Agnew said the dogs were not bred for fighting."
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Well, you don't see that every day, that's for sure.
spqrzilla
12-21-2017, 15:00
All cats are psychopaths.
You tell your dog "Hey dog, I feel like murdering someone today." and the dog is like "Well, I love you anyway."
Tell a cat "Hey cat, I feel like murdering someone today." and the cat's response is "Me too."
Glad you made it out of that mess. After the first assault I would havel left. Screw the homeowner.
The ignorant and fear mongered opinions.. I'm just out of this post.
I chose not to comment on the level of retardation in this thread months ago, bro.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article190557969.html
“The most important detail that we did not release because we were worried about the well-being of the family is that in the course of trying to capture the dogs ... I observed, as well as four other deputy sheriffs, the dogs eating the ribcage on the body.”
"Contrary to previous statements, Agnew said the dogs were not bred for fighting."
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This was posted by one of the Denver "news" stations on Facebook. Don't read the comments, they will make your head hurt.
JohnnyDrama
12-22-2017, 18:31
72929
I thought "Pit" was short for "Pitiful".
Bailey Guns
12-22-2017, 21:04
What a great face!
KestrelBike
12-23-2017, 06:56
The way she kept saying sit all the $#$# time withholding treats, man you have to admit, she was kind of asking for it.
Uh, I mean, I wouldn't have eaten her of course, and Bingo was a good dog.
I think he was framed by the cat, man. That thing is a psychopath. Anyone heard about the cat in the news?
---Commentary from "Spark", brother of one of the suspected Pitt Bulls
Oh man, even cats have been found to go feral on their deceased owners and start snacking when they're starved.
kidicarus13
02-01-2020, 18:13
My 2020 PSA:
https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
Pit bull owners, breeders and animal advocacy groups have created a slew of myths and distortions about the pit bull breed to fight breed-specific laws. Below are the top 10 myths.
Myth #1: It's the owner not the breed
Myth #2: It's impossible to identify a pit bull
Myth #3: Human-aggressive pit bulls were "culled"
Myth #4: Fatal attack statistics about pit bulls are false
Myth #5: The media conspiracy against pit bulls
Myth #6: Pit bulls are not unpredictable
Myth #7: Pit bulls do not have a locking jaw
Myth #8: Pit bulls used to be the most popular dog in America
Myth #9: Pit bulls pass the American Temperament Test
Myth #10: Punish the deed not the breed
Someone dug deep to resurrect this one.
Wow I see many regulars who haven't posted on gd.
colorider
02-01-2020, 19:16
Zombie thread.
Yeah, that website doesn't have an axe to grind at all.
My 2020 PSA
Opinions are like asshole's........
BushMasterBoy
02-01-2020, 20:16
If Katelyn Faber had a pitbull guarding her, Kobe Bryant would have saved $4 million dollars on a diamond ring.
Katelyn Faber ? Of Faber College alum?
I feel a toga party coming on....
"Louie, Louie,... oh-oh-oh... .me gotta go! Yeah yeah yeah yeah!!!"
Careful, or you'll be put on double secret probation.
SideShow Bob
02-01-2020, 21:11
My 2020 PSA
Opinions are like asshole's........
Hey now,
That?s MY sig line...... [Tooth]
Hey now,
That?s MY sig line...... [Tooth]
[Beer]
I've gone my entire life with having great interactions with dogs; even mean ones. In the last 24 months I've had four encounters with aggressive dogs. One growl only, two attempted bites, and within the last 30 days, one bite. The bite was the dog owned by my neighbor's behind me that has been at least hearing/seeing me for the past three years.
In my youth, I was attacked by a pit bull. It?s a long story for another day but I was minding my own business and the attack was unprovoked.
Anyhow, I have no animosity towards dogs in general and honestly have nothing against the breed but I do feel they have a tendency to just sort of snap.
BREATHER
02-02-2020, 09:21
I have had many dogs and a few horses. By nature you cannot trust an animal 100%. Something will or has happened to make one go off it usual course. Hell, most everyone on this site knows you cannot trust many 2 legged animals hence carrying to protect your family and yourself.
I have had many dogs and a few horses. By nature you cannot trust an animal 100%. Something will or has happened to make one go off it usual course. Hell, most everyone on this site knows you cannot trust many 2 legged animals hence carrying to protect your family and yourself.
QFT. If an animal is capable of causing grievous harm (as I've often said - a kick from a horse can kill a Toddler) then it's the owners responsibility to make sure the animal is not in a situation where it is capable of causing that harm (like letting a toddler walk right behind a horse). Equine owners almost universally understand this. It seems only certain canine owners that are so entitled. Whether it's a pit bull or a horse, Past behavior doesn't predict future outcomes - we're not in the horse's brain, we're not in the dogs brain, we can't speak for either one. The issue isn't one of statistical rates or good dogs, bad horses, or comparisons to ankle biters. "Oh, she's nice, she'd never bite/kick your kid" isn't a true statement. "Oh, she's never bitten/kicked anyone that we know of" can be true. The simple fact is, much like a loaded firearm, if it can quickly kill something, it is the owners responsibility to always apply an elevated standard of care, and "always treat the gun as if it is loaded".
FWIW, Chihuahuas, ankle biters, and cats aren't normally capable of killing someone in under 30 seconds. "Gramma" gotta be on the floor for a whole day before they can snackbar. It's not picking on a specific breed, it's a reality that some are not capable "enough" to kill a person, no matter how much of an asshole they may be, while others CAN, no matter how "nice" they may be. Just because a gun has multiple safeties doesn't mean we "trust" them and point it at people willy nilly.
In my youth, I was attacked by a pit bull. It?s a long story for another day but I was minding my own business and the attack was unprovoked.
Anyhow, I have no animosity towards dogs in general and honestly have nothing against the breed but I do feel they have a tendency to just sort of snap.
The breed I've seen most likely to just "snap" is the Chow Chow. My late wife's friend had one and it attacked her, the single owner, and tore her face up something terrible.
Us old farts remember "Petey" from the Our Gang (Little Rascals) comedy reruns of the late 1920s and '30s. Pete was a pit bull.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Schools-out-our-gang-1930.jpg
Bailey Guns
02-02-2020, 13:02
Just for the record I didn't tell my story about this incident to turn it into a discussion about whether or not Pit Bulls are dangerous and evil. It was just to tell a story about an incident that maybe others could learn something from. The moral/lessons learned would've been the same if the subject dog had been any breed of dog, assuming the dog was large enough to really do some harm.
I regularly serviced one home with 3 Dachshunds inside a fenced yard that sounded like they wanted to eat me alive. Turns out they didn't...well, they may have wanted to but the fact is they just weren't big enough to do that or to cause me a lot of fear that they might. I typically just ignored their barking and lived to tell the story even though I ventured into their yard dozens of times over 4 years. The numerous piles of dog shit that virtually covered the ground was a far bigger hazard. I can handle your dog barking but I don't drag the hose thru dog shit. You want propane, clean your yard.
Here's a novel idea...try taking better care of your animals and exercising a little responsibility as a pet owner while you're at it.
Anyway...this wasn't about Pit Bulls and whether or not they're the devil. I understand there are strong feelings both ways about the breed but my intent was not to make that the issue and I apologize if I came across that way.
BG, was the propane making a hissing/unusual noise or anything that the dog might have been reacting to? I ask because my pup goes nuts when I use an air duster to clean off my computer keyboard.
Bailey Guns
02-02-2020, 13:11
No...you pretty much can't even hear it. However, like I mentioned the tank was right next to a metal-sided pole barn/garage. When I opened the lid it kinda clanged on the wall of the barn. I thought at the time that might've been the trigger that set the dog off.
You can bet that if I ever snap and attack a pitbull, I'm going to come here and post about it.
You can bet that if I ever snap and attack a pitbull, I'm going to come here and post about it.
I so look forward to hearing that story.
The owners of the dog that attacked me weren?t at fault. The dog was inside their house. I was riding my bicycle past the house on the street. The dog ran through the screen door to chase after me.
You can bet that if I ever snap and attack a pitbull, I'm going to come here and post about it.
Someone beat you to it... that "Florida Man" story about the guy that got on all fours growing, and attacked a K9, pinned it down and bit part of its ear off.
Its amazing that they let Florida Men walk the streets unleashed.
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