Yeah, preparation...but have you really thought about....?

[OtterbatHellcat]

Assuming that you have at least some type of loose plan for the inevitable "oh shit, it's really happening" scenario.....

Do you have plans for getting home from work? Go bag in the back of your car? What are family and loved ones to expect from you, and you from them? Plan A, or plan B....I'm curious.

I have a "get home" bag....not necessarily a "bug out" bag, but a bag that will help me get home. Bug out bag is much different in my opinion. What is your cut off time for someone that doesn't make it back to an agreed point....what if you can't, and wont see your family again? Or abandon that hope, and focus on just surviving.

Considering that even the worst situation, in the first few days I figure, most folks are not in Kill and Take mode, they're probably going to try and get home and regroup with family and friends and then set up a survival strategy. People with NO preparation in place will be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, and trying to figure out when the government is going to save them, we know that. Those folks will lose hard and fast.....raiding the stores and each other for whatever they can get.

On the other hand, there are lots of folks like us. We're ready .....at least, I hope you are to some extent. Another question is....after the idiots run their deal.....there's gonna be a lot of us types around. Do you have enough to wait out even those who were decently prepared?...or does that turn into the prepared fighting the prepared?

Stuff I think about.

[Fentonite]

I have a well thought-out and prepared plan to hunker down, once home. My "get home" plan still needs some nuance and refining.

I'd like to think that most of those who have prepared are more likely to hunker down and let the hoards diminish themselves, killing each other for a can of beans at the grocery store, or for some new sneaks at Walmart. After the "idiots run their deal", as you aptly put it, the remaining, and unfortunately the strongest groups of said idiots, will likely band together into the stereotypical bands of roving bad guys. I know enough like-minded neighbors, (and maybe even one or two of you guys), who I expect would be reliable compatriots to join together as necessary, and who I suspect are smart enough (and honorable enough) to understand that we're better off working together than against each other. I expect that same group of folks have enough training and skills to be a formidable force against a much larger group of morons. I hope that before things get bad enough for good guys to turn on other good guys, that enough bad guys have been dispatched to impart enough stability that we come together and get things going in the right direction. (I am the king of run-on sentences. Sorry, I'm not an orator nor a linguist, I hope you get my meaning).

[ray1970]

I'll probably just call an Uber.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Interesting points you bring up. I would hope that those of us that were/are more prepared, would begin to work together. But who and when could you start to trust, especially early on. Yes, your group of neighbors like you mentioned, but are you going to trust me and a couple of mine? I've thought more than once about dispatching "good people" in the name of my own survival. Kind of step into a moral arena here, and decide if you exhibit some compassion or flat out clean house.

These thoughts struck me while sitting at the fire pit, talking about when you would have to "let someone go" because they didn't make it to a rally point within a given amount of time. I think most of us could get home in the first 24 hours, I would hope. One couldn't and shouldn't go out looking for that loved one, even if you really wanted to. Seems you really would have to just get home and wait out the first few waves of idiocy...and then wait some more. Make the house look dead and abandoned and lay low. I dunno....but it's better to think of stuff like this now instead of after the fact.

Kim Jong LaDouche might make a mess of stuff next year....or next week, who can tell.

[XJ]

Vehicles parked at work are subject to inspection at any time :(

So I park in the overflow lot next door :)

[StagLefty]

Being retired I'm already home [Sarcasm2][Beer]

[OtterbatHellcat]

You ever been sitting in traffic, or in a line at grocery store.......and just secretly wish the shit would just hit the fan for the good of humanity?

I have, but....shhhhh.

I expected some joviality when I posted this thought, and that's cool....I do it all the time. But when you seriously take some time and think about never seeing your spouse or children again and all of your focus goes to survival and self preservation, are you ready for that?

[ray1970]

But when you seriously take some time and think about never seeing your spouse or children again and all of your focus goes to survival and self preservation, are you ready for that?

Happens to people every day. It's called divorce.

[Bailey Guns]

You ever been sitting in traffic, or in a line at grocery store.......and just secretly wish the shit would just hit the fan for the good of humanity?

Just curious...how do you think that would be good for humanity?

It's easy to fantasize about a good outcome, but realistic outcomes are probably going to be completely different than what you or I might hope would happen.

In my fantasy, leftist thought would be wiped from the face of the earth and everyone who survived would see the world like I do. Highly unlikely that would happen. In a true, game-changing, all-out survival scenario I figure I'll last about as long as the average person. Maybe a little longer just based on where I live. But not long enough to see it through.

I definitely don't see any good coming from something like that. At all.

[Great-Kazoo]

https://www.ar-15.co/forums/144-Survival-amp-Preparedness

[hatidua]

You ever been sitting in traffic, or in a line at grocery store.......and just secretly wish the shit would just hit the fan for the good of humanity?


Nope.

If I had uninterrupted cable TV coverage of the event, and lived in middle-of-nowhere South Pacific? I guess that might prove interesting.

However, I don't own a TV and I live in the midst of humanity. As such, no, I don't wish for that at all. I lived in South Florida in 2004 for three hurricane impacts on my town (Stuart, FL), excrement, to a degree, hit the Westinghouse, it's not fun. I lived through Marcos declaring martial law in the Philippines in the early 70's. It's not fun, not even a little. My wife was living in Jakarta in '97 when the financial collapse there happened and Suharto was shown the door. Other members here can speak on that topic as well but no, not remotely something to look forward to and the reset isn't guaranteed.

The rampant SHTF fantasies on online forums tend to assume that only "other" people are going to suffer during societal woes. Unless you have a Gulfstream fueled up to wisk you out of the country (and ample space for the pilots extended family as well...), and large sums of money to bribe every single official en route to the airport, "other" is every one of us.

But, having said that, I do look forward to cable TV coverage of all the prepared folks living in the mountains in February out of their Maxpedition go-bag with five ESEE fixed blade knives and 2 miles worth of green paracord. :)

[asmo]

What if your plan is to leave 'em all behind.


...and sail to Lahaina?

[ray1970]

...and sail to Lahaina?

I miss Lahaina. Perhaps sailing there is a viable option when OBC puts his genocide plan in motion.

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[OtterbatHellcat]

Just curious...how do you think that would be good for humanity?

I don't have an agenda for genocide, this is going weird.

I was going for a different direction than this, but it ain't working. And that's okay.

[ray1970]

Just curious...how do you think that would be good for humanity?

I don't have an agenda for genocide, this is going weird.

I was going for a different direction than this, but it ain't working. And that's okay.

I think we're mostly just busting your chops. There isn't anyone here that hasn't had a passing thought about what a better place the world would be without so many losers in it.

[OtterbatHellcat]

And that's cool, brother.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think we're mostly just busting your chops. There isn't anyone here that hasn't had a passing thought about what a better place the world would be without so many losers in it.

Put them on your ignore list

[ray1970]

Put them on your ignore list

If I ignored every loser I know then I wouldn't have anybody to talk to.

[cstone]

If I ignored every loser I know then I wouldn't have anybody to talk to.

Have you been spending too much time in your happy place?

Your Uber answer made me think that I need to have my prepper supplies delivered by Amazon and Wal Mart. I'm sure it can wait till next week. [panic]

[ray1970]

Once my bomb shelter is done I'm not going anywhere.

[cstone]

Once my bomb shelter is done I'm not going anywhere.

But what if your cable goes out for more than a few days?

[ray1970]

But what if your cable goes out for more than a few days?

That would be an awful situation. Beer and Cheetos just aren't the same without some quality television programs.

[Ah Pook]

But, having said that, I do look forward to cable TV coverage of all the prepared folks living in the mountains in February out of their Maxpedition go-bag with five ESEE fixed blade knives and 2 miles worth of green paracord. :)
Sounds like you have been reading of the same SHTF threads I have. [Coffee]

Not sure what "mountains" they plan on living in. Forest Service, squatting on private property, BLM, open space, KOA...? Not a lot of edibles up here in the winter. Plus there is the little things like snow and wind.

[Zundfolge]

You ever been sitting in traffic, or in a line at grocery store.......and just secretly wish the shit would just hit the fan for the good of humanity?


Not preciously, but when I look at the direction all governments seem to be heading and the emergence of greater and greater technology that can be used against us, I do think the only way liberty is going to survive is if humanity is knocked back to the level of, say, the beginning of the 20th century (along with the elimination of millions of what Ayn Rand would call "looters" and "moochers").

I will admit there have been times I've thought it would have been a good idea if God would have simply sterilized Noah and his family (then I feel guilty for a bit).

Peterson has a good bit to say on the hatred of existence (from his excellent "Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w&list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat)).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6rP_DjgK8

[OtterbatHellcat]

I had no idea stuff was going to head this way, but I do appreciate your input, Zundfolge. I watched that....and he had some seriously interesting and good points. Thanks for putting your thoughts and that video out there.

[ray1970]

Lol. It's like you told people you got a new puppy and then everybody came by and kicked it.

[OtterbatHellcat]

wtf?

[wctriumph]

I have a get home kit in the truck, good for three days but in my current normal situation I should be able to get home rather quickly. I could hunker down for two weeks, four weeks with rationing for three of us. Capable of defending my position from pretty much anyone. Rural area and some neighbors are pretty much self sufficient and reliable.

I could be better prepared for sure but that would take more money than I can afford right now.

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't care what happens, in my early golden years. If it would save me on my med deductible, I'm for it



Or was that another thread?

[OtterbatHellcat]

No, it can be in this one too.


lol.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Besides....I'm sure your med plan doesn't include Otters when it was written, but you know you have one available outside of the policy itself.

[BushMasterBoy]

Just practice bugging out. Call it a camping trip if you have family. Learn mountain man skills. If you can hunt, fish and trap, you will always have some meat. Buy a piece of land in the mountains, that nobody really wants and build a small bunker on it. Or find a place with a mine shaft that goes horizontal. Living in a hole in the ground would be horrible compared to a nice warm house. Better than dying in a nuked out metropolis I suppose. If they did it in the 1860's, so can you!

[hunterhawk]

I have a long way to go in the prepping plan...i was on ttack then had 2 kids and realized im screwed anyway because i would die for those little suckers one way or the other...so i just need stuff to stay chill for a while until they grow up and give me more hands to help out...my wife working downtown Denver and riding public transportation also doesnt help things..and the fact she knows how to shoot but cant and wont carry. And no matter how many times i tell her to take some shoes/boots to leave at work instead of only having heels...at this point i have more problems than solutions. Best luck to all

[68Charger]

Sounds like you have been reading of the same SHTF threads I have. [Coffee]

Not sure what "mountains" they plan on living in. Forest Service, squatting on private property, BLM, open space, KOA...? Not a lot of edibles up here in the winter. Plus there is the little things like snow and wind.

What always concerns me about those plans is for those that live where the unwashed millions in urban areas plan to "bug out" to... I live rural, so most scenarios would have me "bugging in"... and I have to include plans to deal with the possible situation that someone decides my spread is what they need. My place in Penrose was very defensible (house on a hill, 360 degree views of approach, etc), but was not easily self-sustainable.
Here in Canton, I'll have to get creative with defense (and I have some of de fence work, too), but it's much more self sustainable... greenhouse, garden, chickens, cattle... that in itself will make us a target

Natural disasters are a possible exception (i.e. Harvey)