View Full Version : HaHa! Von Miller loses Phil Long dealerships!
BPTactical
09-25-2017, 12:21
RuhRoh! Actions have consequences..............
http://www.koaa.com/story/36445109/phil-long-dealerships-drops-endorsement-deal-with-von-miller
Phil Long dealerships has asked KOAA-TV to stop airing their ads featuring Broncos linebacker Von Miller after he kneeled during the
National Anthem before the Broncos vs. Bills game Sunday.The dealership said Miller is fired from his endorsement deal and will no longer represent the company.
How much is that gonna take out of his pocket?
I say its about damn time, hit these ignoramuses where they will feel it!
Good on Phil Long!
Good!
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Grant H.
09-25-2017, 12:36
I agree. Good.
This kind of stuff keeps happening, and these ignorant people will stop this crap.
hurley842002
09-25-2017, 13:15
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BushMasterBoy
09-25-2017, 14:02
At least he is free to kneel!
Compared to his Broncos salary, the money loss from Phil Long wouldn't buy his underwear for a year.
wctriumph
09-25-2017, 14:43
Well, I guess Phil Long is simply exercising their 1st amendment rights to their own opinion, this being a free country and all. If I am ever rich enough to afford a new truck, I will go see them first.
Bailey Guns
09-25-2017, 14:46
I'm good with that.
Aloha_Shooter
09-25-2017, 15:13
Make sure you give them some good feedback on this to counter the whining and crying they're certain to receive from the social justice weenie crowd.
Honey Badger282.8
09-25-2017, 15:22
Someone at KOA jumped the gun and didn't check the facts.
KOAA-5 first reported Monday morning that Miller had been “fired” from his deal with Phil Long because of his protest but Miller has not had an agreement with the dealership for nearly six months, according to two sources. Those sources said Miller’s previous agreement with Phil Long Ford expired in March.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/09/25/von-miller-phil-long-ford-endorsement/
clodhopper
09-25-2017, 17:47
I am tired of the pedestals every protester expects to be placed upon, and the stupid contortions public figures put themselves in to stay PC regarding the protestors. Phil Long's response is a good example, "we respect him for his goals and we know he is a good guy, so blah blah", says nothing while using a bushel basket of catch phrases.
It seems public figures are expected to use their time in public eye to further the benefit of whatever cause is currently in favor. Actors and sportsmen are no longer able to just do what they do and feel pressured to "make a difference" with stupid stunts that actually do nothing except gather "likes" on facefook but do nothing toward actually changing whatever they are yapping about.
I imagine I am not the only one who, at this point, is less open to an activist position when it is shoved into a venue that political activism has no place. I am so saturated with input that I must be concerned about everything that I care less and less about whatever you are trying to tell me is such a travesty. Interrupt my every minute with your drivel and I am nothing but more devoted to encouraging the despicable condition you are blathering about.
My care-ometer is zero'd out for anything beyond my family and job.
I hope the NFL gets hit hard over all this crap and becomes the example of how management allowing activism where it doesn't belong ends up killing the golden goose.
OtterbatHellcat
09-25-2017, 19:22
Like.
I for one will not endorse, watch or buy tickets or paraphenaila from any professional mainstream sport that the players refuse to pay homage to thier homeland and the patriots who fought and died to make this a free nation and give these idiots the right to protest despite how truly stupid, ignorant and disgraceful as this "Protest" is. I think the louder comments came from the few patriots who still stood.
GilpinGuy
09-25-2017, 22:01
When is this kneel/don't kneel shit gonna jump the shark already. Stupid.
And Trump just HAD to throw his 2 cents in to feed the flames.
And Trump just HAD to throw his 2 cents in to feed the flames.
I was glad he did it. Finally got them to pick a side. Otherwise this crap was going to slowly linger on for ever. Trump may go a little overboard on things at times but he knows what he is doing.
OtterbatHellcat
09-25-2017, 22:41
When is this kneel/don't kneel shit gonna jump the shark already. Stupid.
And Trump just HAD to throw his 2 cents in to feed the flames.
I'm still quite pissed about it, brother. That's my problem, I know.....I guess I should let it go personally, but I won't forget it.
BushMasterBoy
09-26-2017, 00:12
They should pass a law that all NFL games must be played in Puerto Rico. They could use the help...
GilpinGuy
09-26-2017, 01:55
I was glad he did it. Finally got them to pick a side. Otherwise this crap was going to slowly linger on for ever. Trump may go a little overboard on things at times but he knows what he is doing.
I just think it's beneath the office to even comment on bullshit like this. Oblahblah did the same thing many times. You're the friggin PRESIDENT! Clowns that don't kneel shouldn't take up one second of your time. Think about the really important stuff, not this petty shit.
And these asshats just play games for a living. I'm not "mad" at them, I can't give fewer shits. Who gives a rats ass what they think? Entertain me, jester! You work to entertain me, not cure cancer or make whirled peas a reality. LOL I'm not interested in their opinions about anything, except the game....maybe.
There are lots of d-bags in the world. I try to ignore them whenever possible.
bobbyfairbanks
09-26-2017, 04:43
Oh boy the fallout is gonna get big on this knee thing
I wonder how this surge in entire teams kneeling will affect Kaepernick -- both his personal actions and public opinion of him? Typically, leftist "revolutionaries" don't like actually succeeding and will go after either a different cause or up the ante in their antics. The normalization of deviance leaves deviance normal. Deviants revel in difference. At least that will be an interesting thing to watch in the news.
Martinjmpr
09-26-2017, 08:16
I just think it's beneath the office to even comment on bullshit like this. Oblahblah did the same thing many times. You're the friggin PRESIDENT! Clowns that don't kneel shouldn't take up one second of your time. Think about the really important stuff, not this petty shit.
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Not only is it beneath the office of president, but now people are "taking a knee" not so much to protest whatever-the-hell-it-was-that-Kaepernick-was-protesting, but rather as a way of saying 'screw you' to Trump. By inserting himself into this (because with Trump, it's always about HIM) every anti-Trump athlete can now make an anti-Trump statement by not standing during the anthem.
He can do what he did. They can do what they did. Freedom. Non-issue. Move on.
Don't fall for the media narrative. We're about to go to war with North Korea.
hurley842002
09-26-2017, 08:48
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but now people are "taking a knee" not so much to protest whatever-the-hell-it-was-that-Kaepernick-was-protesting, but rather as a way of saying 'screw you' to Trump. By inserting himself into this (because with Trump, it's always about HIM) every anti-Trump athlete can now make an anti-Trump statement by not standing during the anthem.
I agree with this, but what these player's saying "screw you Trump" fail to realize (or just don't care), is that 50% (possibly more if we are being honest) of the country voted for Trump, and that is a huge chunk of your fan base to be alienating (not saying all Trump supporters watch pro football, but the numbers would still be significant).
Martinjmpr
09-26-2017, 09:33
I agree with this, but what these player's saying "screw you Trump" fail to realize (or just don't care), is that 50% (possibly more if we are being honest) of the country voted for Trump, and that is a huge chunk of your fan base to be alienating (not saying all Trump supporters watch pro football, but the numbers would still be significant).
I think the players know exactly what they're doing. And yes, the "screw you" is not just for Trump, it's for the people who voted for him. If you have the stomach for it, go onto some lefty web pages or check your lefty family members facebook feeds - the only people they hate more than Trump are the people who voted for him.
As far as alienating the fan base, I doubt the athletes care. It's not like boycotting Chick-Fil-A and going to Wendy's instead - there's not another competing football league for people to watch. Are people really going to give up watching football altogether? A few - a very few - might, but most are so locked into the habit of watching every Sunday, Monday or Thursday that they're going to keep watching, no matter what the players do.
Aloha_Shooter
09-26-2017, 10:17
As far as alienating the fan base, I doubt the athletes care. It's not like boycotting Chick-Fil-A and going to Wendy's instead - there's not another competing football league for people to watch. Are people really going to give up watching football altogether? A few - a very few - might, but most are so locked into the habit of watching every Sunday, Monday or Thursday that they're going to keep watching, no matter what the players do.
You're right that the athletes don't care but more people than you think are in fact giving up watching football altogether -- or at least NFL football. Some will migrate to college football. Others will watch ice hockey. I have found other things to occupy my Monday nights and Sunday days and if I really want to watch some athleticism, look online for some rugby. In fairness, I gave up football a few years ago when even the Super Bowl commercials started to suck but for others, this has been the last straw.
Zundfolge
09-26-2017, 10:23
This is why the left will eventually win and crush liberty all around the world ... because our side is unwilling to be mildly inconvenienced, let alone actually fight for anything.
hurley842002
09-26-2017, 10:26
You're right that the athletes don't care but more people than you think are in fact giving up watching football altogether -- or at least NFL football. Some will migrate to college football. Others will watch ice hockey. I have found other things to occupy my Monday nights and Sunday days and if I really want to watch some athleticism, look online for some rugby. In fairness, I gave up football a few years ago when even the Super Bowl commercials started to suck but for others, this has been the last straw.
Agree.
I had become a huge fan of the game itself, and not so much one team in particular (although would root for Denver when they were playing), but I just loved watching good football. All of that is behind me now, and if I want football I'll watch on Saturday (college).
A buddy of mine at work is quite possibly THE biggest Bronco fan I know, and even has a Bronco tattoo covering the majority of his back, after this weekend he is done, and has even expressed getting his tattoo covered by an American flag....
Zundfolge
09-26-2017, 10:47
A buddy of mine at work is quite possibly THE biggest Bronco fan I know, and even has a Bronco tattoo covering the majority of his back, after this weekend he is done, and has even expressed getting his tattoo covered by an American flag....
That makes me feel hopeful. But I feel bad for your friend ... losing one's religion is a difficult and often painful experience.
Toby Keith's lyrics sum it up for me:
" American girls and American guys
We'll always stand up and salute
We'll always recognize
When we see Old Glory flying
There's a lot of men dead
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our head"
He can do what he did. They can do what they did. Freedom. Non-issue. Move on.
Don't fall for the media narrative. We're about to go to war with North Korea.
This ^
A war with North Korea and their commie backers will not be good for America.
Great-Kazoo
09-26-2017, 16:19
Agree.
I had become a huge fan of the game itself, and not so much one team in particular (although would root for Denver when they were playing), but I just loved watching good football. All of that is behind me now, and if I want football I'll watch on Saturday (college).
A buddy of mine at work is quite possibly THE biggest Bronco fan I know, and even has a Bronco tattoo covering the majority of his back, after this weekend he is done, and has even expressed getting his tattoo covered by an American flag....
Red & white will not cover up Blue & 0range.
Martinjmpr
09-26-2017, 16:23
You're right that the athletes don't care but more people than you think are in fact giving up watching football altogether -- or at least NFL football. Some will migrate to college football. Others will watch ice hockey. I have found other things to occupy my Monday nights and Sunday days and if I really want to watch some athleticism, look online for some rugby. In fairness, I gave up football a few years ago when even the Super Bowl commercials started to suck but for others, this has been the last straw.
I don't think the hardcore fans will turn off. And I don't even think people will turn off NFL because they disagree with the protests - instead, I think people who turn off will be the ones who are sick and tired of seeing politics pollute and defile even the simple pleasures of our lives.
If I invited someone over to a barbecue and they spent the entire time spouting off with their political beliefs, they wouldn't be invited back, even if I completely agreed with everything they said.
There ought to be some parts of our lives that are outside politics.
I don't think the hardcore fans will turn off. And I don't even think people will turn off NFL because they disagree with the protests - instead, I think people who turn off will be the ones who are sick and tired of seeing politics pollute and defile even the simple pleasures of our lives.
If I invited someone over to a barbecue and they spent the entire time spouting off with their political beliefs, they wouldn't be invited back, even if I completely agreed with everything they said.
There ought to be some parts of our lives that are outside politics.
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I used to enjoy sports as an escape. Now it's more of the same. Even if you don't participate in something...you get accused of somehow being against it. I'm so sick of everything being politicized.
The NFL is dead to me until they knock this crap off.
I don't think the hardcore fans will turn off. And I don't even think people will turn off NFL because they disagree with the protests - instead, I think people who turn off will be the ones who are sick and tired of seeing politics pollute and defile even the simple pleasures of our lives.
If I invited someone over to a barbecue and they spent the entire time spouting off with their political beliefs, they wouldn't be invited back, even if I completely agreed with everything they said.
There ought to be some parts of our lives that are outside politics.
This.
There is a reason it used to be taboo to talk politics/religion with anyone other than close friends and family...and even then, it was debatable if it was appropriate to discuss.
hurley842002
09-26-2017, 16:58
Red & white will not cover up Blue & 0range.
I will assume he isn't aware of this, laser removal, ouch!
Now Vegas will have new odds.
"Which probowler stood up, lock arms, or sat down."
I am going to put $100 on Von kneeling on next game.
Why does anybody care about them kneeling? It's being pushed down our throats by the media, even the sportscasters, but who gives a damn?
I give a damn, and it has nothing to do with the leftwing media. To stand is respectful. Anything other than that, if your health allows, is not. Who's their beef with? The flag and everything it represents? If it is, then maybe they should try a country more suited to their desires. If it isn't, then they're sending the wrong message.
GilpinGuy
09-26-2017, 19:25
Why does anybody care about them kneeling? It's being pushed down our throats by the media, even the sportscasters, but who gives a damn?
This is spot on. Ignore assholes and they stop the asshattery because they get no attention from it. Feed their desire for "look at me" and you'll just get more of it.
Remember the Occupy bullshit? Yeah, that disappeared when folks got bored with it. This will too. Then something else will come up.
This is spot on. Ignore assholes and they stop the asshattery because they get no attention from it. Feed their desire for "look at me" and you'll just get more of it.
Remember the Occupy bullshit? Yeah, that disappeared when folks got bored with it. This will too. Then something else will come up.
One big difference here. Occupy wasn't making money from TV and marketing agreements. These babies are making millions playing a damn game. They won't be getting another dime from me and my TVs won't be counted in their viewing numbers.
Bailey Guns
09-26-2017, 21:25
Why does anybody care about them kneeling? It's being pushed down our throats by the media, even the sportscasters, but who gives a damn?
Exactly. Why care about our national symbols, like our flag and anthem, and what they represent? Who gives a shit about those who gave life and limb, symbolized by the flag and anthem, to protect their right to protest? [/sarcasm]
FFS. It's no fuckin' wonder I have high blood pressure.
OtterbatHellcat
09-26-2017, 21:49
Bailey....you and I share the exact same passion about the disrespect. I think it might be good for folks as pissed off about it as we are, to reel it in a bit and ride the higher road.....you may not agree with me Sir, but you have my respect and I only offer this suggestion in friendship being likeminded about it.
hurley842002
09-26-2017, 22:00
Exactly. Why care about our national symbols, like our flag and anthem, and what they represent? Who gives a shit about those who gave life and limb, symbolized by the flag and anthem, to protect their right to protest? [/sarcasm]
FFS. It's no fuckin' wonder I have high blood pressure.
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Exactly. Why care about our national symbols, like our flag and anthem, and what they represent? Who gives a shit about those who gave life and limb, symbolized by the flag and anthem, to protect their right to protest? [/sarcasm]
FFS. It's no fuckin' wonder I have high blood pressure.
They represent freedom, right? If you're being forced to do something to show how free you are, that's not freedom. Do you stand with your hand over your heart when the anthem is played on television?
This is probably one of the most popular one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVS_It6EIGo
They represent freedom, right? If you're being forced to do something to show how free you are, that's not freedom. Do you stand with your hand over your heart when the anthem is played on television?
What kind of moral equivalency bullshit is this? You could either salute the flag and show respect for those that gave you the freedom, or you could tie the flag in knots and stuff it up your ass. They're both freedom, right?
This is the same kind of BS I run into with pacifists. They are free to consume the liberty gained and defended by those willing to fight, but they want to crap on anyone that's willing to fight.
If these jackasses in the NFL had to go out and fight for their survival, they sure wouldn't have much energy to play a game, would they? It's because of the sacrifices that others have made that they have the opportunity to show how much they care about a perceived injustice with an action that does absolutely nothing to solve the problem. The people that have sacrificed to make this the greatest country on the planet, that millions would risk their lives to have an opportunity to succeed in, have nothing to do with the disrespect coming from the NFL.
They represent freedom, right? If you're being forced to do something to show how free you are, that's not freedom. Do you stand with your hand over your heart when the anthem is played on television?
Being expected to act a certain way at your job/while representing your company is nothing new.
This is not a freedom of speech/right to protest issue as its not being done on personal time. However, If NFL owners are ok with their employees doing it, then so be it. Its now up to you if you want to continue to support it or not.
However, having tax funded stadiums certainly adds some twists to this plot.
Over the past two decades, the NFL has raked in about $7 billion of taxpayer money to spend on stadium renovation and building.
GilpinGuy
09-26-2017, 23:16
IMHO, if you let these assholes ruin your day, they win.
I was explaining it to my son earlier. I used the burning the flag example. If someone burns the flag, they have the right to do it. But I also have the right to call them an asshole for doing it. I told him that the only reason to burn the flag or kneel during the Anthem is to try yo make someone mad. And if you do that, you're an asshole. Ignore assholes.
Ignoring an asshole and funding an asshole while you ignore his behaviors are completely different things.
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theGinsue
09-26-2017, 23:58
I stand!
As some of you know, I retired from the U.S. Air Force.
While serving, in the line of duty, I injured my lower back. When it happened it had me down for about a week, then I was back up like nothing ever happened. What I didn't know was the extent of the injury and how it would continue to plague me every day for the rest of my life. Usually the pain is manageable and to an untrained eye I'm feeling great and have no issues. At least once a year (more often as I get older) I go through serious pain and debilitation as the back problem really takes hold.
For the past 17 days I've been dealing with excruciating lower back pain related to that injury from years ago. I missed two days of work and have been unproductive at home. Only in the last 3 days have I been able to walk and stand for short periods without looking unnaturally twisted up and grimacing in pain.
I work on a military installation. For those of you who've never done this, the next thing I tell you will seem alien, but it's just daily life on a military base. Every weekday at 1630 the base signals the end of the day with "Retreat". On some occasions this is a formal ceremony with troops in formation as the Colors are lowered; most days it's just the National Anthem played over loud speakers across the installation. There is a preparatory bugle signal alerting everyone that the National Anthem is about to play. When this sounds, everyone outdoors the supposed to stop, face either the flag or if no flag is visible, face the music, and render proper customs & courtesy to the Colors (i.e. Nation). If you are driving, the Air Force expects you to stop your vehicle and sit quietly until the music ends (I understand that on Army installations you are to exit the vehicle and render proper customs & courtesy to the Colors.
Getting out of work late yesterday (Monday) I hobbled out to my car to go home - pain shooting across my lower back, down my right leg and leaving my right testicle feeling like someone was crushing it. I was feet away from my vehicle when the preparatory music began. I easily could have jumped in my car and sat it out. Instead, I opened my door and threw my pack into the car, closed the door and awaited what came next. As the National Anthem began to play I respectfully placed my hand over my heart (As a veteran I could have saluted instead). Throughout most of my Air Force career, and to this day, I get goosebumps when I hear the National Anthem. My mind flashes to friends I've known and lost, friends who were injured serving our country, images of parents or children returning home from deployments to loved ones and images of flag draped coffins of those who never got to return home alive. As the music continued to play my back reminded me why I shouldn't stand still, yet I WAS HONORED AND BLESSED TO HAVE THE PRIVILEGE to stand still at attention with my hand over my heart and recount the many blessings this country has provided to me. I am blessed, as is every other American, to enjoy life, freedom and the chance of prosperity on the sacrifices of so many other Americans who shared the same ideals I do - that this nation is bigger than me and knowing the blessings we have came at a cost. Twice in my life I've sat nearby and watched a loved one receive a folded flag at a funeral "on behalf of a grateful nation" and known the blessings I have because of someone else's sacrifices.
Yes, I STAND because someone else paid a price I'll never have to. Some say choosing not to stand in order to protest perceived slights is an individuals right. I say that standing is a citizens responsibility.
Ginsue out.
Bailey Guns
09-27-2017, 06:48
They represent freedom, right? If you're being forced to do something to show how free you are, that's not freedom. Do you stand with your hand over your heart when the anthem is played on television?
What a load of crap. They aren't being forced to do anything. Even league rules dictate how they should behave: on the field during the playing of the anthem, standing, holding helmet in left hand. I have rules to follow when I'm at work just like everyone else does. If I choose not to follow the rules I pay the price. These guys have all the freedom in the world to not follow those rules...and the owners have the freedom to fire them. As a player if you don't like it, follow the rules you agreed to. But the owners are too chickenshit to enforce the rules because they're weak-minded...just like the players.
What's worse are those who whine about the backlash against the players and league as if the rest of us are supposed to ignore their utter disrespect for the flag and country. They seem to think not only is it their right to behave in a particular way but they should also be free from criticism for that behavior. Well, choices have consequences. If they're free to protest I'm free to state my opinions. Protests don't occur in a safe space where everyone's gonna agree with that protest.
The NFL has chosen a side. That side is with those that don't honor or respect the country. They're free to make that choice. I find it contemptible.
I was pleased to find that I could uninstall the NFL app on my Verizon phone. My previous phone required me to disable the app. The ratings were a fun read this morning.
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It's not a freedom/free speech issue folks. Don't get confused.
If it were a freedom issue, Villanueva would have been just as respected as kneelers. It's the same Lib fascism we've seen behind "BAKE THE CAKE!" and "YOU'RE A RACIST IF YOU DISAGREE!" and "irredeemable." If you don't literally bend you knee to them, you're in trouble.
Can't wait until we see HR sessions full of corporate drones kneeling. What will you do then? Be a racist or support your family?
ETA: For anyone still confused...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKtWXSUWsAEqLmF.jpg:small
Here is the piece that says if you respect (not love, just respect) this country you are a white supremacist...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-athletes-still-standing-for-the-anthem-are-standing_us_59c8acbbe4b0f2df5e83afcd
So again, if it's an exercise in free speech and mutual understanding why are people who respect the Anthem called white supremacists?
Zundfolge
09-27-2017, 08:26
Your favorite "team" is comprised of prostitutes from every other team in the game...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0q_4FeUwfV8/WcucSpzUFWI/AAAAAAAATtM/PilYa__j_jwBiUlt58ojDVBrd--EBJTvACLcBGAs/s1600/Screen%2Bshot%2B2017-09-27%2Bat%2B7.39.05%2BAM.jpg
Here is the piece that says if you respect (not love, just respect) this country you are a white supremacist...
I'm starting to think the goal of this is to turn the Flag and anthem into signs of "racism". That anyone that waves those proudly will be shunned and called a racist. Just another step in the erasing of American pride and values. Get rid of country pride and you can pretty much do what you want.
Scanker19
09-27-2017, 08:55
Not showing respect isn't the same as disrespect. Not standing isn't necessarily disrespectful. It's what you do while not standing that defines respect. That's everyone's right. And the kicker is you don't have to like it, in fact I would that's the point.
But here's the rub, it doesn't' matter at all. Events like these are the perfect thing to really unite this country. We could come together and Really try to UNDERSTAND one another, but no we'd rather just call everyone that doesn't agree with us names. Racist, trumptard, snowflake, liberal, deplorable, etc... It perpetuates this us vs. them mentality that is the definition of division. Neither side is right neither is necessarily wrong. Until we stop the silly names, our unwillingness to listen to one another, and the general bafoonary (looking at you twitter), everything, everything will further drive that wedge.
Aloha_Shooter
09-27-2017, 08:56
For me, it's all about intent. If you're burning the flag with reverence because that's the approved method of disposal per the US Flag Code, good on you. If you're burning it in order to piss off patriots by showing out-and-out disrespect ... you're a grade A punk. If you take a knee or bow your head while sitting on the bench to thank God (or whatever Deity you worship) or to show respect for those who have sacrificed so you could be where you are, good on you. If you're doing it in some political protest just because you get a bigger splash by making a controversy on camera then again, you're a grade A punk. They can protest by not playing, not drawing a paycheck. They could give a portion of their paycheck (or all of it!) to the causes they espouse (disregarding the fact that so much of it is based on misinformation and distortions). You can't tell me most of these NFL players couldn't give away half their paycheck for a season and still live very comfortably.
If you don't understand why this is disturbing on many levels for a whole lot of people, perhaps you should open up a textbook on Civics. I know, I know, they don't teach it anymore -- find a textbook from 40-50 years ago when it was still taught, real US history from the Colonial period to the Civil War hasn't changed much despite attempts from the Left to rewrite it.
Zundfolge
09-27-2017, 08:58
I'm starting to think the goal of this is to turn the Flag and anthem into signs of "racism". That anyone that waves those proudly will be shunned and called a racist. Just another step in the erasing of American pride and values. Get rid of country pride and you can pretty much do what you want.
You should go to YouTube and search "Yuri Bezmenov" and watch some of his interviews from the early 80s ... he was a KGB analyst that defected to the west and he explains how the Soviets used Cultural Marxism and Critical Theory to collapse entire nations ... then see how far the plan has got here in the US (even after the KGB that was controlling it died off and its running on its own now like a runaway train).
Here's one of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg
Bailey Guns
09-27-2017, 09:14
The fundamental changing of the country continues. And the sheep are OK with it. In a few years they're gonna want to know what happened. You bought into the BS...That's what happened.
What kind of moral equivalency bullshit is this? You could either salute the flag and show respect for those that gave you the freedom, or you could tie the flag in knots and stuff it up your ass. They're both freedom, right?
This is the same kind of BS I run into with pacifists. They are free to consume the liberty gained and defended by those willing to fight, but they want to crap on anyone that's willing to fight.
If these jackasses in the NFL had to go out and fight for their survival, they sure wouldn't have much energy to play a game, would they? It's because of the sacrifices that others have made that they have the opportunity to show how much they care about a perceived injustice with an action that does absolutely nothing to solve the problem. The people that have sacrificed to make this the greatest country on the planet, that millions would risk their lives to have an opportunity to succeed in, have nothing to do with the disrespect coming from the NFL.
Like these vets?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/veterans-knee-support-national-anthem-protests/story?id=50075609
http://www.newsweek.com/john-mccain-paul-ryan-defend-right-kneel-nfl-players-671787
Like these vets?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/veterans-knee-support-national-anthem-protests/story?id=50075609
http://www.newsweek.com/john-mccain-paul-ryan-defend-right-kneel-nfl-players-671787
Yeah, like "vets" are a homogenous group of a single mindset. You'll find exceptions in any group.
I don't think anyone is saying they don't have a right to kneel. They also don't avoid the consequences of doing so, and they'll notice the backlash when it hits them in the wallet.
Delfuego
09-27-2017, 18:51
Events like these are the perfect thing to really unite this country. We could come together and Really try to UNDERSTAND one another, but no we'd rather just call everyone that doesn't agree with us names. Racist, trumptard, snowflake, liberal, deplorable, etc... It perpetuates this us vs. them mentality that is the definition of division. Neither side is right neither is necessarily wrong. Until we stop the silly names, our unwillingness to listen to one another, and the general bafoonary (looking at you twitter), everything, everything will further drive that wedge.
Well said.
hollohas
09-27-2017, 19:38
But here's the rub, it doesn't' matter at all. Events like these are the perfect thing to really unite this country. We could come together and Really try to UNDERSTAND one another...
See, I thought events like FOOTBALL GAMES were the perfect things to united people. People of all races, backgrounds, class, etc. were able to all come together and forget about politics while sharing something in common while either playing or watching. It was inherently uniting.
Athletes of all races can compete on an equal footing with anyone else and be celebrated for their accomplishments, not their skin.
Fans could come together and celebrate their team. Fans of all class and background could high five and hug each other while wearing nothing but body paint, without ever questioning the other's political affiliation.
Football games (and other sports) have always been a brief distraction to the divisions that are ever present in our world. Competition of all sorts has always served that role. Nothing else matters, just skill. Not politics, not race, not religion, not nationality...
Until now. Now, one of the few places left where people could spend a few hours not arguing about politics or race has been pulled right into the bullshit.
There are fewer and fewer things that people can celebrate in common together, and even become friends with a stranger for a few hours, without politics mucking it up. And now there is one less because football (and the knellers are spreading to other sports) has now put politics at the forefront. It's a damn shame.
OtterbatHellcat
09-27-2017, 20:54
It's a damn shame.
Yep.
Yeah, like "vets" are a homogenous group of a single mindset. You'll find exceptions in any group.
I don't think anyone is saying they don't have a right to kneel. They also don't avoid the consequences of doing so, and they'll notice the backlash when it hits them in the wallet.
You're the one who argued vets. Now you're acting like I'm the one saying they're taking this side.
And you are precisely saying they don't have the right to kneel, that they are obligated to stand because of the vets who guaranteed that freedom.
Good. When we start hitting these overpaid babies in their wallet, maybe they will start to get the point.
You're the one who argued vets. Now you're acting like I'm the one saying they're taking this side.
And you are precisely saying they don't have the right to kneel, that they are obligated to stand because of the vets who guaranteed that freedom.
Then quote me on it, smart guy. I'm waiting to see "precisely" what I said.
hurley842002
09-28-2017, 04:43
Well well well, some regret from the Steelers?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000852610/article/pouncey-expects-100-percent-anthem-participation
I guess broncos will all stand on next national anthem according to local nbc news.
I wouldn't be surprised if the league is feeling the heat, and that's cascading down to the owners.
If not enough people are watching, your franchises aren't worth very much.
buffalobo
09-28-2017, 17:23
+1, TV ratings = Market capitalization.
NFL is in process of getting haircut, this fiasco is accelerating it. Franchise owners have lost tens of millions in value and future TV contracts will not be as lucrative.
If you're unarmed you are a victim
hurley842002
09-28-2017, 17:39
I wouldn't be surprised if the league is feeling the heat, and that's cascading down to the owners.
If not enough people are watching, your franchises aren't worth very much.
I agree, several teams have already gone out of there way to say they will be standing this Sunday, including the Broncos. Why would you completely reverse course, and make a statement, if you weren't feeling pressure from somewhere.
Then quote me on it, smart guy. I'm waiting to see "precisely" what I said.
They are free to consume the liberty gained and defended by those willing to fight, but they want to crap on anyone that's willing to fight.
Are you referring to vets here, or cops? Because the first half of that sentence suggests vets, like the ones I linked to who support what the players are doing.
they have the opportunity to show how much they care about a perceived injustice with an action that does absolutely nothing to solve the problem.
Every journey begins with the first step. And the first step to fixing things is to make the shortcoming apparent. There is no doubt that police (typically justifiably) are twitchy and prone to pulling a gun during a stop. And there has been a LOT of exposure to the public the past few years where said occurances lead to people (more often than not black) being shot to death. Again, sometimes this is justified. But there are also times where there's question as to whether or not that force was justified, such as Philando Castille, a man who was law abiding and polite with the cops right up until he was shot in the chest in the passenger seat of his car. And rarely does the officer involved see a courtroom so that they may be judged by a jury of their peers.
The people that have sacrificed to make this the greatest country on the planet, that millions would risk their lives to have an opportunity to succeed in, have nothing to do with the disrespect coming from the NFL.
Again, this country is the greatest on the planet because of the freedoms it offers. And if you demand that they strike a pose for you, and admonish them and demand they be financially punished for not doing it, that isn't freedom. That's closer to slavery.
Also, this whole thing is being propped up by the Kremlin. You're playing right into Putin's hands.
https://www.cnet.com/news/russian-linked-twitter-accounts-stoked-nfl-anthem-debate/
I think merchandise sales may changed a bit. I think NFL and frenchisee speculated "potential" decline sponsor sale near future.
I think NFL can monetize from this stupidness which was suppose die down.
Bailey Guns
09-28-2017, 18:25
Wow...must be some tasty, tasty Kool Aid some are drinking.
Are you referring to vets here, or cops? Because the first half of that sentence suggests vets, like the ones I linked to who support what the players are doing.
[fail]
The second post is in regard to a comment about pacifists, not those kneeling during the anthem. You have allowed yourself to perceive things in my posts that did not come from me, yet you have accused me of making them. This is also called libel.
I did not state "veterans". There are untold numbers of civilians, philosophers, citizen politicians and military veterans that have sacrificed in the political experiment that is this constitutional republic of The United States. Many of them having lived and died before the game of football was ever invented. I am grateful to them and am willing to demonstrate some humility for this gift I've been given. I stand.
You also didn't find any statements by me where I believed that these players should be forced to stand against their will. They have an agreement with their employer. If making a visual impression is so important to them, they can do it on their own time. If they're willing to thumb their noses at their customer base, none of them will be employed for long. They have options, and one of them is kneeling for what they believe in and no paycheck.
What you really fail to realize, is that a visual gesture does nothing to solve the problem they seem to be demonstrating against. Doing something to actually fix the problem would be productive. Grandstanding/posturing does nothing but widen the divide. Doing it during the anthem sends entirely the wrong message.
...and then you went off into some drivel about Russia.
http://youtu.be/oAKG-kbKeIo
They have an agreement with their employer.
The same employers who were kneeling next to them this past weekend, right?
https://i.imgur.com/QLzlmPoh.jpg
What you really fail to realize, is that a visual gesture does nothing to solve the problem they seem to be demonstrating against. Doing something to actually fix the problem would be productive. Grandstanding/posturing does nothing but widen the divide. Doing it during the anthem sends entirely the wrong message.
Again, drawing attention to the problem they feel needs to be addressed is step 1 in driving change. Should the colonists have just bent over and lived with the unfair taxation King George imposed on them? Should the Confederate leadership have just manned up and accepted that they were going to be given unfair representation in Congress?
You do realize that photo was not taken during the national anthem, correct?
Simply stated:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232412
**** The NFL
It's quite simple folks: You never have the right to use your professional position, while on the job, to advocate for a political position or perspective outside of that which your boss explicitly endorses and supports.
If you choose to do so anyway then you ought to be immediately fired for cause.
When I ran MCSNet anyone who did such a thing would have been instantly fired. This would have been true even if I supported the political position in question personally because to choose to do so without the explicit endorsement and participation of the corporation is to abuse your position at the firm for your personal political advocacy.
That is simply not your decision as an employee to make. Such an action constitutes gross insubordination and that's a fireable offense anywhere I've ever worked from the most-lowly job to the most-prestigious.
End of discussion, full-stop, done.
Among other things such an action may lead customers and potential customers to choose to shun the company and its products. That is a trade-off you, as a "star employee", do not have the right to evaluate or commit the firm to; it is a decision that management has the sole right to make.
Trump is exactly correct and the NFL commissioner is flat-out wrong. Since the NFL Commissioner thinks that players have the right to choose what a franchise owner must support in terms of political positions as independent acts, obligating the franchise owner to the economic consequences of same, it is my position that we should all give them plenty of economic consequences.
IN SHORT, BOYCOTT THE NFL AND EVERYTHING THAT TRADES ON SAME FOR PROMOTION, ADVERTISING AND RELATED ENDORSEMENTS.
Yeah, because the colonists made visual gestures, like throwing the king's tea into Boston harbor and tarring and feathering tax collectors...just for attention. They actively circumvented the king's taxes...to drive change. A public education just isn't what it used to be.
Yeah, because the colonists made visual gestures, like throwing the king's tea into Boston harbor and tarring and feathering tax collectors...just for attention. They actively circumvented the king's taxes...to drive change. A public education just isn't what it used to be.
So you're advocating the players destroy private property, and then you will accept that they are petitioning for change?
So you're advocating the players destroy private property, and then you will accept that they are petitioning for change?
Dude...you're so far off in the weeds that you can't even see the road from where you are.
Bailey Guns
09-28-2017, 21:31
Dude...you're so far off in the weeds that you can't even see the road from where you are.
Yeah...that's SOP for him.
Dude...you're so far off in the weeds that you can't even see the road from where you are.
Is that not what you said? The only valid or effective way to effect change is to cause financial harm to those you are petitioning?
Not. Either you're being intentionally obtuse, or...
(I can't say more without running into the possibility of ticking off the admins of the site.)
Gee, maybe these professional athletes could do something more productive with their fat paychecks? Maybe they could use their fame to improve their communities?
I like point/counterpoint arguments as much as the next guy, but these off-topic departures are just not worth my time.
OtterbatHellcat
09-28-2017, 22:12
New thread topic......
What is Gmans time worth?
Too soon?
Bailey Guns
09-29-2017, 07:17
Every journey begins with the first step. And the first step to fixing things is to make the shortcoming apparent.
And if that step is in the wrong direction it's counter-productive to completing the journey. Rioting and protesting, often based on an untrue media narrative isn't the answer.
There is no doubt that police (typically justifiably) are twitchy and prone to pulling a gun during a stop.
Uh...yes, there is some doubt. I would venture to say the total number of police contacts during a given day where a gun is drawn by an officer is probably statistically insignificant in relation to the total number of contacts.
And there has been a LOT of exposure to the public the past few years where said occurances lead to people (more often than not black) being shot to death.
Yeah...we hear about it all the time. We also see with our own eyes many rushing to judgment before the truth comes out. "Hands up, don't shoot" NEVER happened. It was a lie. A lie that has spawned countless riots and demonstrations all over the country.
From the Bureau of Justice Statistics Police-Public Contact Survey (based on a 2016 sample of 70,000 respondents):
Total number of police contacts in a year: Black men - 17.5%, White men - 20.7%
Average number of contacts by race: Black men - .32%, White men - .35%
Number of multiple contacts with police in a year: Black men - 1.5%, White men - 1.2%
Contacts resulting in use of force (force of any type): Black men - .6%, White men - .2% (The National Crime Victimization Survey suggests Black men were 3 times more likely than White men to commit violent crimes)
Again, sometimes this is justified. But there are also times where there's question as to whether or not that force was justified, such as Philando Castille, a man who was law abiding and polite with the cops right up until he was shot in the chest in the passenger seat of his car. And rarely does the officer involved see a courtroom so that they may be judged by a jury of their peers.
I find it ironic you're trying to make a point about officers not being charged in a shooting and you chose to highlight a case where the officer WAS charged with murder in a shooting...and then acquitted by a jury.
There are many reasons officers don't get charged. I'll concede that officer convictions for murder/manslaughter may be unusual in shootings but they ALWAYS get investigated. Just recently, according to CNN (you know...the highly partisan, conservative, anti-black/pro-white news source), there have been officers on trial for murder in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma and South Carolina.
Needless to say I strongly disagree with your conclusions and your point of view. As a matter of fact, if anyone (as a group) is responsible for the racial tensions going on in the country right now I'd have to say it's more the fault of Blacks than Whites. Of course that's only my opinion based on what I see.
OtterbatHellcat
09-29-2017, 17:12
Like.
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