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Will1776
09-28-2017, 13:02
Thought this was interesting and it seems to say that, for example, Charlie Coopers magazines are good to go in CO without the floor plate epoxied so you can still maintain them (since that is what the floor plate is designed for) as long as you don't swap out the magblock for the original follower. New to the state so maybe you all have seen this, but I was happy to see this since I have the Charlie Coopers 15/30 PMAGs without the floor plate glued, which many consider a no go in my home state of CT which has a very differently worded ban. Text from CBI technical guidance:

72129

Obviously the floor plate is designed for maintenance and the magazine block that entirely replaces the 30 round follower is designed to limit it to 15 rounds only. Thus, it doesn't seem to meet Colorado's designed to be readily converted text since no part of the magazine is designed to be readily converted.

As always, I am not a lawyer.

Eric P
09-29-2017, 12:51
What mag ban?

Almost every gun shop has 15 plus round magazines for sale in this state.

izzy
09-29-2017, 13:55
Why oh why?

[facepalm]

Will1776
09-29-2017, 14:17
What mag ban?

Almost every gun shop has 15 plus round magazines for sale in this state.

lol true

TFOGGER
09-29-2017, 15:16
My advice: don't worry about it. If your mags aren't date coded after 7/1/13, it's an utterly irrelevant distinction. IF you found yourself on the wrong end of a prosecution for illegal mags, the burden of proof is on the state to prove you acquired them after that date, which should be impossible. Besides, (as has already been beaten to death here, hence the facepalm) realistically, the only way you will end up charged with this is if you have other charges pending, and they're trying to stack shit on to get leverage for a plea bargain.

Will1776
09-29-2017, 15:32
It would be pretty easy to prove I didn't have them before 2014 since 10+ mags were banned in CT and they could ask CT if I registered any, which neither I or my dad did. (yeah CT made people register their magazines....) :(

Only possibility would be some mags my grandpa in Nevada may have given me before the 2014 date that have been stored in his home in Nevada. :D
Only question is the continuous possession clause.

Honestly the 15 rounds isn't terrible to deal with other than for competitions so I'll probably just deal with it until it gets repealed or ruled unconstitutional. If that happens, I can use the normal followers included with my 15 rounders and swap out the parts. Until then, might as well stay safe with the Charlie Coopers 15 rounder in my rifle and the CBI technical guidance in my pocket (on my phone).

Will1776
09-29-2017, 16:46
One of the biggest mistakes people make is to lie. E.g. when under questioning "where did you obtain these magazines" and they say *uh... lie* "Brownells back in 2012"

Correct answer to any LEO question during an interview/interrogation: Lawyer. Lawyer.

LEO suspicion doesn't matter at all in the scope of the legal system. (Not addressing the quoted post, just adding to it)

Oh yeah that's a really good point. Is having a 15+ magazine in your possession and then not answering questions without a lawyer probable cause for them to arrest you though?

hatidua
09-29-2017, 17:28
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brutal
09-29-2017, 17:37
FFS

DADT

00tec
09-29-2017, 17:57
FFS

DADT

Agreed.

Didnt do shit
Didn't see shit
Don't know shit
Ain't gonna say shit

izzy
09-29-2017, 18:23
Agreed.

Didnt do shit
Didn't see shit
Don't know shit
Ain't gonna say shit

Exactly, hence the palm face from before

Will1776
09-29-2017, 18:35
Edit: Deleted

izzy
09-29-2017, 19:08
Got it.

Not you

Will1776
09-29-2017, 21:29
Not you

Edit: Deleted

00tec
09-29-2017, 21:33
?

You got mail.

Great-Kazoo
09-29-2017, 21:42
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Different thread

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/165060-Open-carry-in-church-in-Denver

Typhoon
10-02-2017, 16:23
All my date codes were sadly destroyed when I stippled my mags and all my receipts were lost in an unfortunate accident with a paper shredder. Thankfully I had plenty in my continuous possession prior to the change in law.