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Gman
11-10-2017, 23:28
FBI database for gun buyers missing millions of records (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-database-for-gun-buyers-missing-millions-of-records/ar-BBEPuJB)


Government ineptitude on full display. Unfortunately, the Congress critters don't get photo-ops by making sure existing laws actually do what they're supposed to, so they just keep making new ones.



The FBI’s background-check system is missing millions of records of criminal convictions, mental illness diagnoses and other flags that would keep guns out of potentially dangerous hands, a gap that contributed to the shooting deaths of 26 people in a Texas church this week.

Experts who study the data say government agencies responsible for maintaining such records have long failed to forward them into federal databases used for gun background checks — systemic breakdowns that have lingered for decades as officials decided they were too costly and time-consuming to fix.

As the shooting at a Texas church on Sunday showed, what the FBI doesn’t know can get people killed. In that case, the gunman had been convicted at a court-martial of charges stemming from a domestic violence case. Officials say the Air Force never notified the FBI of his conviction, so when he purchased weapons at a retail store, he cleared the background check.

The FBI said it doesn’t know the scope of the problem, but the National Rifle Association says about 7 million records are absent from the system, based on a 2013 report by the nonprofit National Consortium for Justice Information and Statistics. That report determined that “at least 25% of felony convictions . . . are not available” to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI.

Experts who study the data say that estimate can be misleading, because felons often have multiple convictions, so if one is missed, others may still alert authorities to individuals who cannot legally buy a gun.The government funded a four-year effort beginning in 2008 to try to estimate how many records existed of people who should be barred under federal law from buying a gun but aren’t flagged in the FBI system. That effort was abandoned in 2012 because of the cost.

The National Rifle Association has complained that the federal database is inadequate. The powerful gun rights lobbying group opposes calls for more restrictions on gun buying, arguing that the government should focus instead on making its current background-check system fully functional.

“The shortcomings of the system have been identified, there just seems to be a lack of will to address them,’’ said Louis Dekmar, president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police.

In light of the Texas shooting, Air Force officials have launched an internal review and faulted the staff at an air base for not sending the necessary information to the FBI, but federal officials who work in the database effort say the problem of military nonreporting of domestic violence cases extends far beyond a single base or service branch.

A large number of people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence — who also are prohibited from buying guns — are absent from the FBI database as well, particularly in states that don’t require fingerprints for such convictions, according to people involved in the work.

According to FBI records, at the end of last year the Pentagon had exactly one active record for a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction in one of the FBI’s main gun background-check databases, though there are two other large databases in which such records could be gathered and for which data was not available. By contrast, the database held nearly 11,000 dishonorable discharge records.

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They love to point to the numbers of people that were denied a purchase after failing a background check, but nobody ever seems to be prosecuted for it.

KevDen2005
11-10-2017, 23:50
Well more laws should fix this issue

BushMasterBoy
11-10-2017, 23:52
I don't believe anything the main scream media puts out.

JohnTRourke
11-11-2017, 07:41
oh, I believe the FBI is completely incompetent

I think that's well on display.

3beansalad
11-11-2017, 08:29
Interesting article... until they quote Everytown as a viable source.

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BPTactical
11-11-2017, 08:34
oh, I believe the FBI is completely incompetent

I think that's well on display.

No shit, just look at Vegas.
I saw a report where NONE of the surveillance videos from adjoining /nearby businesses was obtained by FBI allegedly.

Gman
11-11-2017, 09:28
It's not just the FBI, but the other govt. agencies that aren't doing what they're supposed to. Then the govt. realizes that there's a problem and then decides it's too expensive to fix. There's no accountability to the people.

Zundfolge
11-11-2017, 11:23
This is actually a good thing. The vast majority of people who "fail" a background check are false positives, more data in the database is only going to increase the false positives, not decrease the false negatives.

ray1970
11-11-2017, 13:26
Can we find some blame to go around to the BATFE too? I mean why pin it all on the FBI?

Failed background checks are a fairly meaningless statistic anyways. I imagine most denials are for silly stuff (like when I was denied a purchase for not providing a valid form of identification once because my drivers license was two days past the expiration date) and not that bad guys are trying to purchase through proper channels and getting denied for being bad guys.

Zundfolge
11-11-2017, 13:38
Can we find some blame to go around to the BATFE too? I mean why pin it all on the FBI?

Failed background checks are a fairly meaningless statistic anyways. I imagine most denials are for silly stuff (like when I was denied a purchase for not providing a valid form of identification once because my drivers license was two days past the expiration date) and not that bad guys are trying to purchase through proper channels and getting denied for being bad guys.

According to John Lott the vast majority of failed BGCs is because the person who failed has a name similar to someone on the list of prohibited persons. There are almost no actual criminals prevented from getting their hands on a gun and the entire BGC system should just be scrapped (but since its real purpose is to vex the law abiding, it'll stay and probably be made even worse).

TFOGGER
11-11-2017, 14:00
Add to this the proposal to connect the secret "no fly" list, which has no due process, no accountability, and is rife with errors, to the NICS database...seems like a GREAT idea...[facepalm] [panic]

Big E3
11-11-2017, 14:38
Oh great, now they will need millions to enter all the missing data in the system. Then they’ll get all the missing info entered and a significant amount of it will be entered wrong, causing false positives. People will start stacking up waiting to get their fake issue resolved. And because people are getting approved automatically in 3 business days after BGC submission with or without a conformation, the law will need to be changed to no purchase until you’ve passed, regardless of length of time. Then they will have us right where they want us. We will have to wait as long as it takes them to drag their “underfunded over worked” huge bureaucratic feet for permission from the government to buy a gun.

Of course I could be making a huge assumption that these gun control dirt bags even know you’re automatically allowed to purchase after 3 days with or without NICS approval.

BlasterBob
11-11-2017, 14:42
Why dream up NEW gun “control” laws when the existing ones can’t or won’t be enforced apparently due to COST of their enforcement?

Big E3
11-11-2017, 15:00
They want gun buying regulations to look like the tax code and be as big of a bureaucratic nightmare as it can be. That way the average new gun buyer will need a lawyer to help with the purchase, they’ll say forget it and gun ownership will dwindle as we die of old age.

It’s never about the new law, it’s about encumbering the process.

ray1970
11-11-2017, 15:10
They want gun buying regulations to look like the tax code and be as big of a bureaucratic nightmare as it can be. That way the average new gun buyer will need a lawyer to help with the purchase, they’ll say forget it and gun ownership will dwindle as we die of old age.

It’s never about the new law, it’s about encumbering the process.

Eh. When the process becomes that much of a pain in the butt people will just skip the formalities and buy their guns “off the books” like the bad guys do.

kidicarus13
11-11-2017, 17:03
Eh. When the process becomes that much of a pain in the butt people will just skip the formalities and buy their guns “off the books” like the bad guys do.Really, is that what people will do? Coloradans don't even skip the formalities now when there is no way to enforce the BGC law unless it's a "sting" operation.

Gun owners will fall in line like 99.6% of the rest of the population.

Zundfolge
11-11-2017, 18:44
Really, is that what people will do? Coloradans don't even skip the formalities now when there is no way to enforce the BGC law unless it's a "sting" operation.

I know we all give lip service to obeying the stupid laws here on the forum (under pain of ban hammer) ... but is that really what's happening out there? I don't think so, but I'm not admitting to anything either :p