View Full Version : Al Franken Sexually Assaulted Sleeping Woman
wctriumph
11-16-2017, 13:09
Short read with photo. Come on Al, deny it you POS.
http://www.libertyheadlines.com/tv-host-al-franken-kissed-groped/
Original source:
http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/#.Wg2rkOW5t3I.twitter
I definitely smell what you’re stepping in Foxtrot. Before we know it, single dudes are gonna have to wear body cameras on dates like police officers have to.
BushMasterBoy
11-16-2017, 14:40
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hurley842002
11-16-2017, 14:51
+1 foxtrot! I'm going to have to make sure my boys get written consent before they have their first kiss, or it could come back to bite them in the ass. Come to think of it, I've never kissed a woman with anything other than "passive" consent, guess I should be worrying about allegations.
and what bothers me most about most of these "allegations" is that they all happened YEARS ago. OK, if it bothered you so dang much why wait YEARS to mention it. And now to expect an investigation. Really, investigate what? Look for finger prints? Look for DNA? what? It's a he said she said and who is going to believe who.
You lived with it this long, then really there's nothing to gain by living with it to your grave, other than to smear someone's name for political reasons. Not really worth it, IMO>
StagLefty
11-16-2017, 15:12
"Sexually Assaulted Sleeping Woman" mmmmmmmmmm so they're supposed to be awake ? What a novel idea [Sarcasm2]
This is just going too crazy.
If status of limitation has passed, I believe victims should have full rights to tar & feather them in public.
BPTactical
11-16-2017, 17:43
mmmmmmmmmm so they're supposed to be awake?
Shit! Don't tell my wife....
So many "pious" men you can verb together a sentence.
First you Franken a bit and then you Weinstein and lead into a Spacey, with a bit of Louis CK and a Clinton finale; then Biden in a pool to cool of.
It is satisfying watching the Dems eat their own,... Al Franken!!! I think Bill & Hillary might be on the menu.
Sit back and enjoy.
Bailey Guns
11-16-2017, 20:09
Al Franken's a sorry excuse for a human being. He always has been.
What pisses me off further is the fact that Mitch McConnell has already said he's gonna have Roy Moore thrown out of the senate if he's elected in Alabama. But he fiddle dicks around the Franken thing, which Franken has admitted to doing, and said they need to have a fucking ethics investigation. BFD, Mitch. Meanwhile, that'll drag on for a year while you continue to give every democrat that comes along a hand job and get nothing done in the senate.
McConnell, Flake, McCain, Murkowski...look no further than that for what's wrong in government. No need to list the democrats...everyone knows they suck.
Accused Of Sexual Misconduct, Franken Has Focused On The Issue As A Senator (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/accused-of-sexual-misconduct-franken-has-focused-on-the-issue-as-a-senator/ar-BBF3rUj)
Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), accused on Thursday of forcibly kissing and groping a woman on a USO tour in 2006 before he was in office, has made the prevention of sexual assault and violence against women one of his signature issues as a lawmaker.
Oh, the irony.
A long, long time ago, there were a couple of married gals that grabbed my junk and said "gimme some o' that!" - no wonder I'm so scarred.....
My prediction is that with so many of these allegations, some more bad people will be brought to light, and if there are enough true assaults, someone is bound to commit suicide. Then Filter's "Hey Man, Nice Shot" will have a resurgence in popularity. I think that Harvey Weinstien will probably be the worst and I don't have my money on him for killing himself.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/1/11/Celebrated_jazz_trombonist_Buddy_Dwyer.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080127121555
BushMasterBoy
11-17-2017, 00:20
You can't post the truth here. It is banned.
Great-Kazoo
11-17-2017, 00:42
If ( key word IF) that 1 picture was the only time Stuart Smalley actually did what he was pictured doing. Would Newsweek have run this puff piece so soon?
http://www.newsweek.com/al-franken-wife-senate-groping-kiss-714236?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=yahoo_news&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo
BPTactical
11-17-2017, 06:28
A long, long time ago, there were a couple of married gals that grabbed my junk and said "gimme some o' that!" - no wonder I'm so scarred.....
You were assaulted by Helen Keller???
Great-Kazoo
11-17-2017, 08:36
You were assaulted by Helen Keller???
I see what you did there.
StagLefty
11-17-2017, 08:55
You were assaulted by Helen Keller???
Ahhhh Helen. There was was this one time at Braille camp.............
You were assaulted by Helen Keller???
Don't knock it.....
You were assaulted by Helen Keller???
Brings new meaning to "I feel better than I look."
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-17-2017, 14:17
I seriously thought Al Franken was gay. Expected the Kevin Spacey defense.
My prediction is that with so many of these allegations, some more bad people will be brought to light, and if there are enough true assaults, someone is bound to commit suicide. Then Filter's "Hey Man, Nice Shot" will have a resurgence in popularity. I think that Harvey Weinstien will probably be the worst and I don't have my money on him for killing himself.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/1/11/Celebrated_jazz_trombonist_Buddy_Dwyer.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080127121555
Annnnnnnnnnd there you have it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/14/a-lawmaker-accused-of-molesting-a-teen-killed-himself-his-widow-calls-it-a-high-tech-lynching/?utm_term=.a2ab863c90f7
LOUISVILLE — Dan Johnson posted a final message to his friends and family Wednesday afternoon on Facebook. It appeared to be a goodbye.
In it, Johnson denied the accusations that had tormented him and his family for the past 48 hours — that he, a Kentucky state representative and the self-proclaimed “Pope” of his Louisville church, had gotten drunk and molested a 17-year-old girl during a sleepover years ago.
“GOD knows the truth, nothing is the way they make it out to be,” Johnson wrote in the since-deleted post. “I cannot handle it any longer . . . BUT HEAVEN IS MY HOME.”
The Republican lawmaker then drove to a graffiti-covered bridge outside Mount Washington, Ky., a quiet and isolated spot called the River Bottoms. He parked, stepped out of his car and shot himself with a .40-caliber handgun, according to Bullitt County Sheriff Donnie Tinnell.
We need more words to describe variations of "sexual assault" and "rape". Since it now runs the gamut of everything from being offended of a wayward glance or of a crude comment, all the way to a stranger breaking into your house and raping someone, it's not fair to the legitimate victims to be classified with the former.
What Al did is wrong. However, I hesitate to call it "sexual assault" because it demeans and minimizes real victims of actual sexual assaults. But that is where our society is, one that elevates the victim onto a pinnacle so lofty that everyone attempts to be classed a victim; it is unfortunate that society doesn't instead reward the survivor.
Now these very serious words and accusations have been watered down to the point where 100% of society can be said to have "suffered" a sexual assault. Yes, even you. Even me. If you didn't sign the printed consent form that woman or man you were dating "assaulted" you when they made the first move. A wayward hand touched your butt in a club without your permission, your life is now horribly altered. What about the people who have suffered legitimate trauma? When they explain they were sexually assaulted, is everyone going to think "Oh, some guy touched a boob when they were asleep, anyway....".
Not directed toward OP, I just bemoan our new culture of victimization, where everyone is "grievously traumatized" for life over each and every of the simplest micro-aggression. For the record, I'm the utmost gentleman and have always found these actions by some men disgusting. But I also don't equate them to a "sexual assault" that alters and defines someone's life moving forward.
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We need more words to describe variations of "sexual assault" and "rape". Since it now runs the gamut of everything from being offended of a wayward glance or of a crude comment, all the way to a stranger breaking into your house and raping someone, it's not fair to the legitimate victims to be classified with the former.
Looking at Colorado law we have multiple legal charges for unlawful sexual behavior- there's Sexual Assault (rape), and then there's Unlawful Sexual Contact- defined as ""Sexual contact" means the knowing touching of the victim's intimate parts by the actor, or of the actor's intimate parts by the victim, or the knowing touching of the clothing covering the immediate area of the victim's or actor's intimate parts if that sexual contact is for the purposes of sexual arousal, gratification, or abuse." This sounds like the behavior of Franken and many others without having to use the term "Sex Assault" or "Rape." Still bad, just not going all the way up to full on penetration or intrusion.
It would sort of work if it were employed. E.g. media outlets "A unnamed woman alleged Mr. Franklin of unwanted sexual contact".
What I'm more referring to is not a codified crime (which is mere combinations of words) but regular English vernacular, two-three syllable slang, a brand new word. Much like "Emoji" didn't exist in the 1960's, we need a new word, like:
Yeah, I made that up in about ten seconds. But how to make something like it take off...
Our language really does lack the breadth to accurately describe a lot of situations; (e.g. like the word "love") this one has became an especially important one where you no longer have ANY IDEA what someone is referring to when they say "sexual assault".
Touche! I think I'm gonna start using Snuckered... if we use it, that's how it'll take off. Look at the stupid millennial terms today: Fleek, bae, etc. Idiots came up with these mashing up of letters that sound ridiculous, and mean absolutely nothing, and now everyone knows about them. Just start using it, when asked, explain the definition, and it'll spread. Like "Mansplaining."
Foxtrot, especially when a whacko mom call LE because a pre-teen boy said "don't shake your booty at me" to her daughter (who was shaking he but at the boy) and a citation is issued because she called it "sexual assault". The Judge dismissed the whole thing, but there was a mess to fix. Same school, different kids, but the boy grabs a girls butt in the cafeteria. Mom refuses to let the girl talk to the vice-principle and nothing happens. Can't even call it double standards, they are all over the place. Gentlemen are scared to tell a lady she looks nice while true pigs are getting passes left and right and promiscuous females are enjoying preying on men using "sex assault" as a weapon while true victims are left with shattered lives in many cases. It is a real fine mess with bad actors on all sides of the aisle that are incriminating others just for being a man, or a woman. Maybe the "sexual revolution" is exacting the associated tolls on our society.
The combination of sexual abuse of women AND using sex to keep women down has been building since the dawn of time. The pendulum will likely swing too far on this for a while, and I can't really say I blame the women.
Touche! I think I'm gonna start using Snuckered... if we use it, that's how it'll take off. Look at the stupid millennial terms today: Fleek, bae, etc. Idiots came up with these mashing up of letters that sound ridiculous, and mean absolutely nothing, and now everyone knows about them. Just start using it, when asked, explain the definition, and it'll spread. Like "Mansplaining."
Maybe not-
snucked
To be punched in your face with no warning
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snucked
snuckered
When a person unknowingly screws you over.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snuckered
This situation has turned into character assassination. Make allegations, there's no due process, and somebody is destroyed.
It's getting to the point that men don't feel safe being alone with a woman in a business context (not prostitution, smart alecks) due to what she might say.
In before first article of men wearing body cams at work.
theGinsue
12-15-2017, 22:10
In before first article of men wearing body cams at work.
I considered this sort of thing as a likely/inevitible result of all of these allegations. Problem is that you'll have terabytes of terabytes of recording you'll have to keep for the rest of your life because someone can make a claim decades after it supposedly occured (as has occured in at least one of these claims).
There needs to be severe penalties to anyone making an accusation found to be false and there is rarely anything done to the false claimants beyond mild shame.
We've seen many teachers and child care providers falsely accused who have lost their careers, their reputations, family, friends and lots of money. Most never recover any of the things they've lost. Once the accusation has been made, public perception rarely swings back into the favor of the accused no matter how clearly they are acquited of the claims. Once the mark is on you, it's essentially impossible to remove it completely.
Damn! ofc that is urban dictionary which has a "definition" for every inventable word a twelve year old has comprehended.
Ginsues post leads me to another point that loooooong predates this issue:
Rule #1: ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS covertly record any planned hostile encounter. Colorado is a one party audio state, NEVER inform the other party you are recording, you are legal and well within your right so long as you are a party to the conversation (e.g. spoke at least one or two words). PS: You can use an app called "All Call Recorder" on most modern android phones to automatically record every call, with a dialog selecting after the conclusion of each call if you want to keep or delete the audio. You do not need to use speaker, this works like such an app should.
These include:
Firing employees
Communications with a hostile recent-ex
Evicting tenants
Confronting people about payments
Declining certain offers
Declining promotions
Performing employee evaluations
Dealing with interview candidates
Any kind of public election/selection result management (e.g. church, charity)
etc.etc.
Rule #2: When you get something GOOOOOOD don't fucking use it right away. Yes, that sounds insane. If you, uhm, blow your top to soon, you won't have the opportunity again. Keep collecting and wait until the last moment to reveal and use it - such as after they have sued you and after you have filed answer.
Why? When you use things too early, you lose the ability to gather more evidence, but more critically, they can adapt to try to make any BS explanation to override it. However, when you hold out as long as possible, sitting on your thumbs, they get confident letting you get even better evidence, and when you finally reveal it they are too committed to their story and ARE TOTALLY SCREWED. Only this latter situation can you confidently clear your name, recover all attorney fees, and even in some cases, successfully prosecute them.
So Rule #1: Record it. Rule #2: Wait, wait, wait to use it.
Someone won't make a BS accusation out of the blue., 99% of the time it is connected to one of these events.
PS: I've used audio in a loooot of cases. If someone has questions, just shoot.
Rule #1: Colorado is a one-party state. What this means is as long as the conversation is between you and one other person, you're golden and you can record without their consent. The MOMENT another party enters the conversation, you are now guilty of wiretapping. You may decide this will not matter, but if you introduce such a thing in court to defend yourself, the opposition will get it tossed and all of your careful planning will be for naught.
Let me offer a XX chromosome perspective, prefaced with the fact that I realize not every man is out to get something from women, just like every woman is not out to accuse guys of trying to do something sexual with them:
Your best bet, honestly, is to go old school with your efforts: do your best to never be alone with someone. Make sure there is someone that can act as an unofficial 'escort' (as in, someone you trust, not their friend/confidante); if that's not possible, then make sure the door is open (proverbial or metaphorical) to discourage potential for shenaigans. If you think that's impossible or highly improbable, remember this: women have been dealing with those situations for decades.
Eons-old accusations rising to the top to summarily bury the accused is a shocker- but it should not have been so unexpected. Let's look at the scandals in Hollywood, for instance. In a hypothetical situation, a young actress goes to meet a director about a role. This may be her first role; or it may be the role she's been desperately hoping will pull her out of the rut she's currently in (average job, school, no income- I don't need to go further, because we have all worked toward a goal that we have pinned our hopes on that has depended upon the graces of others in one form or another) and will open doors. Of course, the actress is met with the classical dilemma that is presented to her: either scratch the itch of the king in charge of the doorway to her goal, or leave and kiss her dreams goodbye (blackball, anyone?) I've seen what some of you have stated- she should have just kissed her dreams goodbye and went back to her waitressing job or cleaning the hotels or whatever, and be grateful for what she's got. Sure. I'm sure that's exactly what YOU did when faced with whatever dilemma stepped in your path to prevent you from reaching your goals, right?
Of course not. Sometimes you reach for the brass ring, and close your eyes to the unpleasantness. Let me tell you- this has not started with Hollywood. Many women's bosses have been proposing such things for about as long as they've been working outside of the home. You want a promotion? Bend over that desk. Promotion time comes around, and she's passed over- what's she going to do? That extra promotion money goes elsewhere. Nobody will listen to her. She's a disgruntled employee of little import. If they do listen to her, she's a homewrecker, a slut that sleeps her way to the top.
That is, until now.
Long memories and resentment go hand-in-hand. Now that these women are stepping up and finding power in numbers of accusations, let the bodies hit the floor. There's been a LOT of abuse of power; a LOT of men in charge practicing droit du seignuer as though it were their god-given right. It's draining the Hollywood swamp.
Will there be abuse of this? Yep. That's an unhappy fact, and I can't figure a solution. Maybe someone else can.
Clearly, there are innocent men that will be dragged through the mud. That's not good.
Men, keep yourselves in groups if you can. Witnesses are your friends. If you work with a woman that strikes you as someone that could be vindictive or is an activist feminist, you must not give them anything they can hang their hat on. In case this is news to you, women barely tolerate society's rules, because it is easier to get along in life with them. Until it isn't. Once the rules are discarded, that game of chess you think you're playing turns into Calvinball.
Complacency is not your friend when you are in the company of a woman that can accuse you of anything. Rail about the injustice of it another time. Be pleasant to her when you must be in contact with her, be very, very careful of what you say to her - when in doubt, agree with her, or make some noncommittal noise that implies she's right. Never, ever give her an opening that she might exploit- either now, or later. Be inoffensive.
Those rules are the rules I had to learn when working in a male-dominated field. I was never raped, but I was harrassed and dealt with "unwanted sexual contact" often. I was young, and the only female in the shop. I had no friends to speak of. Let me tell you something- I didn't give a crap what the proper phrase (sexual harrassment, contact, etc. Men were touching me and grabbing me and scaring me and I knew they could hurt me) was- when I went to the shop supervisor with the issue, he didn't know what to do about it. These were people he had worked with for years. A good ol' boys network. His solution was to tell me, "You are responsible for your own morale." BOOM.
In my situation, words were never more freeing. And that, I think, is what is happening with all of the accusation. Do I find some of them suspcious? Do I find some of them unlikely, or silly? Yes. But then again, we're only privy to that whch the media brings us. I think Irving is correct when he said that the pendulum will swing in the other direction for a while before heading back toward the center.
I feel badly for the men that are innocent of the things they are/will be accused of. And I'm sure there will be more. I give a fist-pump for those brought down because they thought they could play grab-ass or snatch a little on the side because they happened to be the very big frog in that pond. And if any women were false accusers due to whatever reasons and they get caught? I'll rejoice in their downfall as well.
Good post. And I don't disagree on the unwanted contact perspective nor that people deserve it. I just wanted to elaborate a bit as to where the ECPA line is:
How it correctly works - as long as you are present and a participant in any conversation, you can covertly record it in Colorado (and most other states) regardless of how many other people are also participating - even if we are talking about an office board meeting. Even if people poke their head in and out, if you are participating in the board meeting, it is entirely legal.
when something transcends into wiretapping, e.g. ECPA violations is when you slide a recorder under a door, or slip it into your spouses purse/briefcase, or install an app on someone elses phone without their knowledge, etc.
People often get confused by the party labeling (as if one party implies only a two party conversation) but it literally only means you are a participant; e.g. you are still within your rights to record a "ten party" conversation if you are a participant.
Where multiple-party conversations can become an issue in a court is when all the other participants of the party are not either a Defendant or a Plaintiff; then it can be objected on certain grounds under hearsay and other issues [because all the other people are not simultaneously witnesses on the stand to be impeached]; normally that can be overcame with a skilled attorney but it is always at the discretion. Still, there's many tricks to pull it off under varying circumstances to achieve what you need if your counsel doesn't suck.
In my experience, false accusations always come out of those anticipated hostile experiences in life and there are not many of them. Protecting yourself is a wise choice; around 5% of the population are pathological in nature, even more will do things out of anger. Bringing other people with you is a good idea - especially to avoid the suggestion of "sexual" impropriety as nobody will credibly believe it just because you have a second person with you so you are correct there, however my post was a little off topic to expand waaaay beyond that. Normally the bigger risk is allegations of racism, homophobia, transphobic, sexism, etc. etc. especially in a hostile employment situation. In those cases, the witness does little good as it's still he said- she said IF the witness is willing to help (many don't when it comes right down to it) because they can just allege the witness also participated in the homophobia/transphobia,racism, etc. [but not sexual impropriety, nobody believes that]
Another hostile encounter where you should be recording:
Officer at your door, or traffic stops.
No matter how many friends may testify for you, the ONLY surefire way you will catch violation of the 4th/5th is by audio recording. Courts defer credibility to officers, always. The vast majority of officers are great and respect the lines. However, there is that percentage that doesn't. There are cases that I've participated in that would have been lost if it wasn't for audio recordings (with many people participating) including ones involving officers. When bullshit happens, they will stack the deck so hard against you and they all support the brother-in-blue even when he's that small percentage of shitbag.
Well, to say that it 'correctly' works isn't quite complete, because there are also employer policies to consider. Clearly, Foxtrot's experiences and my experiences with one-party recording encmpass different situations that we have each experienced- and yet they illustrate just how hairy this type of situation really can be. I wish there were a sure-fire solution, but as with most things, it's a boggy mess.
I have no experience invoving the recording of contacts with LEOs.
If anyone is considering recording at work - and keep in mind that recording a meeting or phone conversations (especially across state lines) is a different situation from one-on-one meetings - you'll want to look at the company policies, and do some research on your own. Your situation may reflect something that hasn't been touched on in this thread.
As always, this is not legal advice. Contact a lawyer for legal advice.
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