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Interesting article here (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/27/columbia-sportswear-may-close-downtown-portland-office-over-threats-public-defecation-by-homeless-people.html) about companies pulling out of Portland due to the homeless problem they are experiencing, including Colombia Sportswear re-examining their moving their Sorel HQ to Downtown Portland. They're apparently having issues with break-ins of cars, death threats to employees, and human waste problems.
"Given these experiences, it is a relief when the only thing we are dealing with is the garbage and human waste by our front door. Think about that for a minute."- Columbia Sportswear CEO Tim Boyle
My only concern, so goes Portland, a liberal haven of the homeless... is Denver next? Is this maybe the reason Amazon didn't seriously consider a new location in Denver? The homeless situation in the liberal mecca of Denver seems to be getting worse.
Discuss...
KevDen2005
11-27-2017, 15:21
Interesting article here (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/27/columbia-sportswear-may-close-downtown-portland-office-over-threats-public-defecation-by-homeless-people.html) about companies pulling out of Portland due to the homeless problem they are experiencing, including Colombia Sportswear re-examining their moving their Sorel HQ to Downtown Portland. They're apparently having issues with break-ins of cars, death threats to employees, and human waste problems.
My only concern, so goes Portland, a liberal haven of the homeless... is Denver next? Is this maybe the reason Amazon didn't seriously consider a new location in Denver? The homeless situation in the liberal mecca of Denver seems to be getting worse.
Discuss...
I think Amazon's criteria for moving here made very few locations available.
Denver is so far gone I don't see it coming back.
Is this maybe the reason Amazon didn't seriously consider a new location in Denver?
No, not even close. Sounds like you didn't follow the Amazon thing at all for this to even be on your radar as a possible reason.
No, not even close. Sounds like you didn't follow the Amazon thing at all for this to even be on your radar as a possible reason.
I'll be perfectly honest, I don't follow the news very closely, and just heard highlights about Amazon "considering Denver," and then the update "not moving to Denver." So no, I don't really care enough to follow something like that unless it's actually going to happen. [Dunno]
But if I were a location scout for Amazon, the Denver homeless issue would be a contributing reason to say "let's not move there."
KevDen2005
11-27-2017, 15:52
I'll be perfectly honest, I don't follow the news very closely, and just heard highlights about Amazon "considering Denver," and then the update "not moving to Denver." So no, I don't really care enough to follow something like that unless it's actually going to happen. [Dunno]
But if I were a location scout for Amazon, the Denver homeless issue would be a contributing reason to say "let's not move there."
Our Homeless problem is bad but nothing compared to Oregon, Washington, the DC Metro area. I'm sure there are more but I'm not as familiar.
I have no doubt our homeless problem will continue to get worse.
Our Homeless problem is bad but nothing compared to Oregon, Washington, the DC Metro area. I'm sure there are more but I'm not as familiar.
I have no doubt our homeless problem will continue to get worse.
I hadn't been up to Ft. Collins in a few years, but Friday before last we went up to New Belgium brewery and saw quite a large amount of homeless people in the neighborhood... Denver is getting worse, for sure, but it's really bad when Ft. Collins is starting to get a homeless problem of their own. [panic]
StagLefty
11-27-2017, 17:27
But the Ft. Collins homeless are educated [Sarcasm2]
KevDen2005
11-27-2017, 17:29
Bit the Ft. Collins homeless are educated [Sarcasm2]
I'm sure they are. All former college students with arts degrees. Now the real world doesn't need them.
Never mind, homeless people aren't looking for jobs.
Zundfolge
11-27-2017, 17:33
This is why each of us that live in communities that have not yet allowed recreational pot sales need to stand and fight every time our local governments start trying to bring it up. Legal recreational weed is nothing more than a giant magnet to useless, homeless people.
The two recreational stores in Manitou are enough to flood much of the west side of Colorado Springs with these bums so just imagine what dozens of stores across the city would do.
Great-Kazoo
11-27-2017, 18:03
Our Homeless problem is bad but nothing compared to Oregon, Washington, the DC Metro area. I'm sure there are more but I'm not as familiar.
I have no doubt our homeless problem will continue to get worse.
They're not homeless, they're disenfranchised tenants .
... Denver is getting worse, for sure, but it's really bad when Ft. Collins is starting to get a homeless problem of their own. [panic]
Starting to get? The ACLU took ft fun to court over the freeloading deadbeats ability to loiter in 1 place for more than X amount of time. The city council has no spine, they'd rather push carbon credits than push the freeloaders out.
Batteriesnare
11-27-2017, 18:08
All former college students with arts degrees. Now the real world doesn't need them.
Salty much? Not all of us with fine arts undergraduates are worthless.....
KevDen2005
11-27-2017, 18:11
Salty much? Not all of us with fine arts undergraduates are worthless.....
Take it easy, it's called sarcasm
matttahoe53
11-27-2017, 19:12
I really hope not. I just left Portland and the homeless problem is severe. I’m no stranger to homeless but they are pervasive, aggressive, and tolerated in Portland.
KevDen2005
11-27-2017, 19:40
I really hope not. I just left Portland and the homeless problem is severe. I’m no stranger to homeless but they are pervasive, aggressive, and tolerated in Portland.
Definitely getting more aggressive in recent years for sure.
BushMasterBoy
11-27-2017, 19:51
They are not homeless, they were just scammed out of society. I blame the space aliens. They messed up their heads!
Wait a couple years and Bernie will evict you and give them your house.
The term "homeless" is just a PC way of saying "mentally ill". If you gave them a home it would do nothing to solve their problems.
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I really hope not. I just left Portland and the homeless problem is severe. I’m no stranger to homeless but they are pervasive, aggressive, and tolerated in Portland.Denver is moving in that direction... And I've seen some pretty aggressive transients up in Westminster, Commerce City, and North Denver (aka unincorporated Adams county).
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Denver metro is probably little more diversified in terms of ind/sector. However, Washington state is even more diversified than CO, but look at all the homless with tent on I-5. I was shocked last time i visited there.
Make sure your car doesn't break down near that area.
I believe the WA people call that area "The Jungle."
spqrzilla
11-28-2017, 09:14
The ridiculous situation that Ink coffee shop is experiencing shows that Denver's succumbed to the grievance culture. Professional rabble rouser is going to succeed in driving a thriving business out of a neighborhood and Denver's city officials are just going to watch.
The ridiculous situation that Ink coffee shop is experiencing shows that Denver's succumbed to the grievance culture. Professional rabble rouser is going to succeed in driving a thriving business out of a neighborhood and Denver's city officials are just going to watch.
I was listening to Mandy Connell discussing the Ink Coffee issue yesterday. That's frightening to watch. Gentrification, especially in an area like 5 points is a good thing. Look what it did to Lowry- that area is really nice! But these commie punks want the "white man" owners to turn over their business to the community. Really? If I were the owner I'd say "sure! You pay what the property is worth and you can do whatever you want with it." Either way, now is the time to get out, obviously they're going to make it too hostile to run your business in that neighborhood. Why is it always the most racist calling racism the loudest?
KevDen2005
11-28-2017, 09:31
The ridiculous situation that Ink coffee shop is experiencing shows that Denver's succumbed to the grievance culture. Professional rabble rouser is going to succeed in driving a thriving business out of a neighborhood and Denver's city officials are just going to watch.
I saw that. I as watching these people scream that the city has failed them by not investing into the locals in the community. What a bunch of crybabies our culture and city has turned into.
Zundfolge
11-28-2017, 09:32
The truth is, people that hate "gentrification" love to see people suffering in squalor ... these people are just evil.
KevDen2005
11-28-2017, 09:47
The truth is, people that hate "gentrification" love to see people suffering in squalor ... these people are just evil.
The news made it sound like genocide. It's always someone else's fault and when people move in to make the neighborhood safer, better, or more prosperous, it's always the people that weren't gonna do anything in the first place yelling about the government's lack of investment into them
Martinjmpr
11-28-2017, 10:13
I was trying to explain the whole "gentrification" controversy to my wife yesterday.
She said "so, people with money are moving into poor neighborhoods, improving the area, building up the economy, boosting property values and providing jobs. And the people who live in the neighborhood are angry about that."
I said Yup, pretty much.
Living in Charlotte, NC, I got to see the exact opposite of "gentrification" and it was pretty gruesome. That is, inner-city neighborhoods or close-in suburbs in decay, the people who have money (mostly the white people) move out, just beyond the city limits or the busing line (busing was a huge issue in Charlotte in the 1970's), and the inner city neighborhood (predominately black) continues to decline, while the suburbs that form a "ring" around the city are thriving. Then the city gets a GFI (Great F***ing Idea) to extend the city limits into the now-affluent suburbs, which just triggers another round of people with money moving farther out, and the once-thriving suburbs then start to decline as people flee beyond the city limits.
If you drew an economic map of Charlotte, with red for wealthy areas and white for poor ones, it would look just like a target: A red "bullseye" in the center of town (called Uptown in Charlotte) where the wealthy young people/hipsters live, surrounded by a ring of poor, mostly black suburbs, and that in turn is surrounded by a large ring of prosperous suburbs.
The news made it sound like genocide. It's always someone else's fault and when people move in to make the neighborhood safer, better, or more prosperous, it's always the people that weren't gonna do anything in the first place yelling about the government's lack of investment into them
White people move out = "white flight" = racism
White people move in = "gentrification" = racism
White people = racism (every time)
I don't understand why this is a hard lesson for people about the Left (media) and their racial narratives but someone will be along shortly to correct me.
The interesting thing is that almost all of these gentrified areas/communities were built by the white middle class pre-WWII. It's more of a homecoming than an invasion. Why they left is the part of the story that won't be reported as it indicts big-city-Dims and even now they have to be careful because it is their policies and "leadership" that have increased rents. When was the last time Denver elected anything other than a Dim? 1963.
Maybe worthy of its own thread but the Denver ComPost has just reported both Handcock and Albus Brooks (shitty council) have decided to join the race baiting and stab Ink Coffee in the back for bringing in jobs and economic mobility...
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/28/brooks-hancock-ink-coffees-sign-economic-inequity-denver/
This is the kind of stupid that can wreck a big city. "Leadership" is saying it sides with detractors against businesses. Why would any business move here or stay with such big racial issues and economic injustice to be solved at their expense?
Martinjmpr
11-28-2017, 11:06
I guess I don't understand why Ink doesn't just close up shop and move to a neighborhood where they're welcome. If the area's being "gentrified" then the property ought to be worth more money, right? Sell the property and tell the protesters to buy it and start their own coffee shop.
I guess I don't understand why Ink doesn't just close up shop and move to a neighborhood where they're welcome. If the area's being "gentrified" then the property ought to be worth more money, right? Sell the property and tell the protesters to buy it and start their own coffee shop.
Therein lies the rub. They want the property turned over to them... they don't want to buy it, they want it seized by gov and turned into a community center. Modern urban American "Bolsheviks."
ETA: This subject might be worthy of it's own thread...
Great-Kazoo
11-28-2017, 11:38
The ridiculous situation that Ink coffee shop is experiencing shows that Denver's succumbed to the grievance culture. Professional rabble rouser is going to succeed in driving a thriving business out of a neighborhood and Denver's city officials are just going to watch.
The irony of this and other stories like it............The people who open business in areas like 5 points ar eof the same voting block. See what white guilt gets you.
BladesNBarrels
11-28-2017, 11:40
Living in Charlotte, NC, I got to see the exact opposite of "gentrification" and it was pretty gruesome. That is, inner-city neighborhoods or close-in suburbs in decay, the people who have money (mostly the white people) move out, just beyond the city limits or the busing line (busing was a huge issue in Charlotte in the 1970's), and the inner city neighborhood (predominately black) continues to decline, while the suburbs that form a "ring" around the city are thriving. Then the city gets a GFI (Great F***ing Idea) to extend the city limits into the now-affluent suburbs, which just triggers another round of people with money moving farther out, and the once-thriving suburbs then start to decline as people flee beyond the city limits.
Denver went through the same 1968 - 1995 with court-ordered busing. The experiment was a failure in that the end result was white migration, burning of buses, hate and discontent on both sides.
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/17/us/court-says-denver-can-end-forced-busing.html
How soon history is lost with the influx of masses of people with no clue as to what has happened in the past.
hollohas
11-28-2017, 12:03
Denver's homeless problem is certainly getting much worse. Many areas are full of trash everyday. Some areas downtown are BAD. But Denver is fighting it and seems to be doing what they can to keep the homeless population from setting down deep roots.
I see the "clean-up" crew taking down homeless camps almost daily. In one spot on SantaFe (right by the I25 north flyover at Mississippi) they repeatedly took down homeless camps in some trees there on the East and West along the river. Each time I saw them doing cleanup they had at least a full size garabage truck and even a roll off once. I guess they got tired of it so the city came in a cut down the entire grove of trees on the East side of SantaFe. Made it much less desirable to camp there. But, camps still get setup.
I spent 18 months living in San Fransisco. That's another place that let the homeless take over. My wife worked downtown there and got verbally abused by the homeless folks almost everyday to and from the BART. They even have open air toilets in the parks there, wide open. It's eff'ed up. I hope Denver doesn't go that far..
fitterjohn
11-28-2017, 13:21
They're not homeless, they're disenfranchised tenants .
Starting to get? The ACLU took ft fun to court over the freeloading deadbeats ability to loiter in 1 place for more than X amount of time. The city council has no spine, they'd rather push carbon credits than push the freeloaders out.
I thought they just threatened to, and the spineless city backed down without even going to court. It was nice when it was not legal to panhandle.
colorider
11-28-2017, 13:57
Search the web and look at some of the homeless camps in the Areas surrounding Vegas.
Denver's homeless problem is certainly getting much worse. Many areas are full of trash everyday. Some areas downtown are BAD. But Denver is fighting it and seems to be doing what they can to keep the homeless population from setting down deep roots.
I see the "clean-up" crew taking down homeless camps almost daily. In one spot on SantaFe (right by the I25 north flyover at Mississippi) they repeatedly took down homeless camps in some trees there on the East and West along the river. Each time I saw them doing cleanup they had at least a full size garabage truck and even a roll off once. I guess they got tired of it so the city came in a cut down the entire grove of trees on the East side of SantaFe. Made it much less desirable to camp there. But, camps still get setup.
I spent 18 months living in San Fransisco. That's another place that let the homeless take over. My wife worked downtown there and got verbally abused by the homeless folks almost everyday to and from the BART. They even have open air toilets in the parks there, wide open. It's eff'ed up. I hope Denver doesn't go that far..
The problem, and 9news for all their faults did a good job of investigating this, is that the shelters in Denver are awful. 9WantsToKnow interviewed 100 homeless and found that over 70 of them would rather sleep on the street than in the dirty, disease ridden, violent shelters. DPD and DFD have seen a massive increase in calls for service to the homeless shelters in recent months. Jeremy Jojola stayed the night in one and said the smell was near unbearable. I see this problem getting worse and Denver has no one to blame but themselves for the problem. They can "dismantle" homeless camps all they want, but until they come up with a more viable and permanent solution, it won't be fixed. The bigger issue is so many homeless are mentally ill and are not easy to have function in normal society.
hurley842002
11-28-2017, 14:07
Search the web and look at some of the homeless camps in the Areas surrounding Vegas.Visiting family in CA this past summer, my father in law and I were driving on one of the freeways (can't remember which one) in LA, when I looked over and saw a small village of large tents, at first I thought it was a swap meet or something, when I asked him about it, he said it was a homeless camp, HOLY SHIT, that was one hell of a camp.
Martinjmpr
11-28-2017, 14:19
WRT the homeless, when my wife worked downtown she would remark every night that her journey up the 16th street mall every day reeked of "Pot and piss." I know one of the local news channels did some reporting on the violence and panhandling on the mall and I guess the DPD is or was going to try and crack down on it, or so they say.
Haven't really spent much time downtown in years. I know during big events the DPD pretty much clears the bums out in order to make the city look nicer but as soon as they're done, the homeless come back. I know if I was an owner of a business along the mall I'd be pretty unhappy with the city and probably looking to relocate to somewhere that is both more accessible (i.e. free parking) as well as less infested with panhandlers and druggies.
Martinjmpr
11-28-2017, 14:21
Having said that, I think the one saving grace Denver has over Portland is that it gets cold enough here that it drives the drifters to warmer climates. Portland gets rainy but it never really gets that cold, and so the homeless are more likely to become a permanent fixture there. Ditto for Seattle.
One thing I noticed in San Diego is that I didn't see a lot of homeless people infesting the parks and open spaces there. I'm assuming that is because the people of San Diego are less tolerant of it and their police "encourage" the homeless to move on to more "friendly" locations like LA.
Having said that, I think the one saving grace Denver has over Portland is that it gets cold enough here that it drives the drifters to warmer climates. Portland gets rainy but it never really gets that cold, and so the homeless are more likely to become a permanent fixture there. Ditto for Seattle.
One thing I noticed in San Diego is that I didn't see a lot of homeless people infesting the parks and open spaces there. I'm assuming that is because the people of San Diego are less tolerant of it and their police "encourage" the homeless to move on to more "friendly" locations like LA.
My wife remarked when she first moved here in 2011 or 2012, from Orlando, at how many homeless are around the Denver metro area. She said that Orlando didn't have that problem- and wonders if they made it so miserable for them to exist?
Your last sentence reminded me of the episode of South Park where Cartman plays the song: "California, is good to the homeless."
Martinjmpr
11-28-2017, 15:00
My wife remarked when she first moved here in 2011 or 2012, from Orlando, at how many homeless are around the Denver metro area. She said that Orlando didn't have that problem- and wonders if they made it so miserable for them to exist?
Alligators, I presume? [ROFL1]
BushMasterBoy
11-28-2017, 16:52
Mosquitos!
Having said that, I think the one saving grace Denver has over Portland is that it gets cold enough here that it drives the drifters to warmer climates.
[snip]
Cold enough to kill the Hep A too.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/13/550674476/san-diego-washing-streets-with-bleach-to-combat-hepatitis-a-outbreak
Doesn't change the fact that you are still literally walking through shit when you go downtown. Literally.
I just got HAV and tetanus shot again last primary visit.
I think HAV are contegious mainly through food, not dirty sidewalk. Maybe they should bleach shower illegal street food vendors. :)
DavieD55
11-28-2017, 19:08
You can watch them live from the Everett tweaker cam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGwNIbNtRi4
GilpinGuy
11-28-2017, 20:41
No guys, pot and liberal democrat policies have nothing to do with it. Not sure about outerspace aliens or Mexicans. I will say that most of the Mexicans I've hired over the years busted their freaking asses though.
Yep, I was grossed out by Portland. Took pictures to prove it. I thought no one would believe people camping in sidewalks, and the look of a tird world country. <<I saw this and decided it didn't need correcting.
The Platte River has tons of camping and people pooing where ever. I saw a plea from the port-a-let service for when they doc use it. Bear Creek Park is full of nasty camping too.
They should track down previous owner of Ink cafe and make him accountable for selling the property to a terrible person. He could have opened a 501c liquor co-op.
BushMasterBoy
11-29-2017, 00:57
I see a lot of homeless in Pueblo. I think some are veterans traumatized by the wars. I didn't vote for Hillary. Aliens are real. Mexicans do great work, last people I hired were Mexicans.
It is so sad that the American Dream has escaped the unfortunate few. An ancient Roman soldier preached that the greatest of all things was charity. His name was JESVS CHRISTVS. Later as a veteran he was tortured for his beliefs. Try to be charitable.
Jeffrey Lebowski
11-29-2017, 07:29
This is why each of us that live in communities that have not yet allowed recreational pot sales need to stand and fight every time our local governments start trying to bring it up. Legal recreational weed is nothing more than a giant magnet to useless, homeless people.
The two recreational stores in Manitou are enough to flood much of the west side of Colorado Springs with these bums so just imagine what dozens of stores across the city would do.
This for Golden too. I’ve only lived here 15 years, but it is amazing how it has changed, and really in the past 2-4 most. You can’t go outside in summer without smelling it. Parks, on lookout (riding lariat on roadie or chimney on mtb), or even around the creek. :( There is no pot here, but proximity has people bringing it from wherever. With it, a slight uptick in the sleeping outside crowd. I’d sympathize with this, but I think these are less the mentally ill and more the “check out of society” type.
No guys, pot and liberal democrat policies have nothing to do with it. Not sure about outerspace aliens or Mexicans. I will say that most of the Mexicans I've hired over the years busted their freaking asses though.
I don't want to derail any threads with comments I've made in others, but even this issue seems more related to population increase, than to pot and liberals. Neither of the latter help the situation, but people have been flocking to Colorado for 30-40 years now? Any place that has an increase in population will have an increase in every other problem as well. We can all stand around and point to people moving here after legal weed, but the Rocky Mountains and John Denver are responsible for a greater number of people moving here than pot and liberals are. Weed becomes legal in more and more places every year. Once more than half of the country legalizes weed, what will everyone blame our problems on then?
Irving is correct, mainly population. Colorado is a beautiful place and many, many people want to live here. I'm hoping for an absolutely brutal winter but I don't think we're gonna get one this coming season.
I have a question for those of you who travel around the metro area alot. How many people do you observe giving money to panhandlers?
Great-Kazoo
11-29-2017, 08:47
How many people do you observe giving money to panhandlers?
Too many
Too many
Then the word is out that Colorado is an easy place to get money.
I don't give them anything, I observe them as I approach to see how aggressive they are.
I had to think, but I guess I have seen people get handed money when I'm sitting at a light. I've only seen it 2-3 times that I can think of, but I'm just one guy sitting through one light cycle. If they got handed something every three lights, that'd be more than I would have imagined. Homeless population has been going up around my house recently, and especially the panhandlers at the Home Depot; there are a few that I even recognize now. I don't like it any more than anyone else. It'd be nice if no one gave them money, but some people have a difficult time separating their emotions long enough to realize that a, probably significant, portion of people coherent enough to make signs and ask for money, are willfully in the position they are in and do not wish to change.
Too many
In the Ranch, I have watched people hold up the exit ramps on a green light giving money. Us working stiffs just want to get home before our kids go to bed (sometimes I don't make it). I guess our time doesn't matter, what's a few more minutes sitting on a Colorado road?
I posted this in the Nextdoor thread back in August...
http://imgur.com/Kqmk6Js.jpg
Read that one carefully. Linda confuses charity with funding a bum's habits and then pats herself on the back for raising her kids so well because they're just as dumb. But not before digressing into complete stupidity with the AntiFa support.
Meanwhile, the people who need legitimate charity are deprived of help so Linda can virtue signal.
fitterjohn
11-29-2017, 09:10
Irving is correct, mainly population. Colorado is a beautiful place and many, many people want to live here. I'm hoping for an absolutely brutal winter but I don't think we're gonna get one this coming season.
I have a question for those of you who travel around the metro area alot. How many people do you observe giving money to panhandlers?
Beat me too it. This is the real problem. I live in the fort but travel all over Denver metro and up to mid Wyoming for work and I can't think of anywhere that people don't hand out free money. Years ago the newspaper had an article about a many in fort Collins that panhandled before and after work at a major intersection. He made a pretty hefty bouns, in the 5 figure range.
fitterjohn
11-29-2017, 09:15
In the Ranch, I have watched people hold up the exit ramps on a green light giving money. Us working stiffs just want to get home before our kids go to bed (sometimes I don't make it). I guess our time doesn't matter, what's a few more minutes sitting on a Colorado road?
I posted this in the Nextdoor thread back in August...
Read that one carefully. Linda confuses charity with funding a bum's habits and then pats herself on the back for raising her kids so well because they're just as dumb. But not before digressing into complete stupidity with the AntiFa support.
Meanwhile, the people who need legitimate charity are deprived of help so Linda can virtue signal.
They say the worst thing you can do is give money to a homeless person on the street, if you want to help give it a legitimate organization that works at getting them working on off the street not just funding a habit. I have no problem helping people who need help,everyone needs help at some point with something, but most homeless around here don't want help they want a hand out
They say the worst thing you can do is give money to a homeless person on the street, if you want to help give it a legitimate organization that works at getting them working on off the street not just funding a habit. I have no problem helping people who need help,everyone needs help at some point with something, but most homeless around here don't want help they want a hand out
That is 100% correct! Anyone who has tried to help quickly learns this. The vast majority of homelessness is choice and funding that lifestyle makes the choice sustainable. This is what makes the problem hard to solve.
We hear Libs talk about the massive amount of funding needed to "cure homeless" because they (by design) cast a wide net. Carve this problem down to those who really don't have a choice (mental health, disability) and the problem gets easier to solve.
There are organizations that are very good about drawing this line. Salvation Army, Denver Rescue Mission, local churches etc... Give to them. Even just the $20 that would have gone to a panhandler helps.
Zundfolge
11-29-2017, 09:38
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. "
-Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1766
fitterjohn
11-29-2017, 09:49
The thing I get tired of hearing people say is how unfair the housing market is in fort Collins. Yep it's freaking expensive to rent a place in fort Collins, lots of really high paying jobs, but guess what you don't have to live in this town either. Everyday I hear someone say how hard it is to live here on a low paying job, well move out of here.
StagLefty
11-29-2017, 09:54
They say the worst thing you can do is give money to a homeless person on the street, if you want to help give it a legitimate organization that works at getting them working on off the street not just funding a habit. I have no problem helping people who need help,everyone needs help at some point with something, but most homeless around here don't want help they want a hand out
Yup I get a monthly news letter from Denver Rescue Mission and even they say handouts are a temporary fix and for long term help refer the homeless to them and their programs.
buffalobo
11-29-2017, 10:08
Irving is correct, mainly population. Colorado is a beautiful place and many, many people want to live here. I'm hoping for an absolutely brutal winter but I don't think we're gonna get one this coming season.
I have a question for those of you who travel around the metro area alot. How many people do you observe giving money to panhandlers?
Too manyWay too damn many.
Then the word is out that Colorado is an easy place to get money.
I don't give them anything, I observe them as I approach to see how aggressive they are.^^This.
I also categorize them.
Lowlife sum bag - 60%
Major addiction - 10%
Mental defective - 10%
Regular folk struggling - 10%
Assorted others - 10%
Anecdotal based on my personal observation over last 10yrs of traveling front range daily for work.
I absolutely despise these people standing at intersections or in places of public accommodation. That is not the location to get assistance/helping hand to get back on the path.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
Zundfolge
11-29-2017, 10:48
Yup I get a monthly news letter from Denver Rescue Mission and even they say handouts are a temporary fix and for long term help refer the homeless to them and their programs.
I'd go a step further and say giving panhandlers money is not even a temporary fix but is instead doing harm to them. They have to hit bottom so they'll seek help and/or straighten their shit out ... keeping them in pocket money keeps them hovering just above bottom ... low enough that their life stinks but not quite low enough to cross the "its time to do something about this" threshold.
fitterjohn
11-29-2017, 10:52
I'd go a step further and say giving panhandlers money is not even a temporary fix but is instead doing harm to them. They have to hit bottom so they'll seek help and/or straighten their shit out ... keeping them in pocket money keeps them hovering just above bottom ... low enough that their life stinks but not quite low enough to cross the "its time to do something about this" threshold.
The problem there is lots of those people don't think their life stinks. If Yu have known and or talked to any most of them think your life is the one that sucks. They don't have to answer to anyone or be reasonable for anything. Literally just sit around all day and be high or drunk.
Doesn't change the fact that you are still literally walking through shit when you go downtown. Literally.
This is another reason why I avoid downtown as much as humanly possible. It's gotten disgusting, especially in the last 8 years or so. And 16th street mall used to be a fairly decent place.
They should track down previous owner of Ink cafe and make him accountable for selling the property to a terrible person. He could have opened a 501c liquor co-op.
Not sure if joking... but I don't see the Ink Coffee owner being a terrible person. Terrible sense of humor, maybe, but they thought they were on to a good business idea by putting up shop in an up-and-coming (supposedly) trendy area.
Irving is correct, mainly population. Colorado is a beautiful place and many, many people want to live here. I'm hoping for an absolutely brutal winter but I don't think we're gonna get one this coming season.
I have a question for those of you who travel around the metro area alot. How many people do you observe giving money to panhandlers?
I would say that you can't discount pot 100% as not being a contributing factor. It's definitely not helped...
I see idiots, er people handing money to panhandlers all the time at the ramp from 36 at Church Ranch. I shake my head every time. I've even had one get mad at me near E Colfax at Quebec because I refused to acknowledge his presence right next to my truck.
I dunno about Denver, but I have noticed that ever since the pot legalization there are shitbirds begging at intersections that were not there before.
I see people with sign asking money all the way to 14th and I25.
KevDen is right. This problem is certain to get worse before it gets better. I think we can all agree since Colorado's legalization of weed we have all felt the massive influx of people moving here (both good and bad). Housing prices have soared to the point that my dreams of actually living in one means I'm going to have to find one that is empty and squat in it and make them evict me. I have noticed a significant increase in homeless people panhandling on street corners throughout the metro area. I don't give them money - ever. Many that I see panhandling appear to be fully capable at working if they chose to do so. I absolutely refuse to go to downtown Denver because it's degraded to a crime ridden shit hole.
DavieD55
11-29-2017, 22:01
In the Ranch, I have watched people hold up the exit ramps on a green light giving money. Us working stiffs just want to get home before our kids go to bed (sometimes I don't make it). I guess our time doesn't matter, what's a few more minutes sitting on a Colorado road?
I posted this in the Nextdoor thread back in August...
Read that one carefully. Linda confuses charity with funding a bum's habits and then pats herself on the back for raising her kids so well because they're just as dumb. But not before digressing into complete stupidity with the AntiFa support.
Meanwhile, the people who need legitimate charity are deprived of help so Linda can virtue signal.
There is a sucker born every minute. What a moron though. The very definition of sheeple.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/mistakesdemotivator.jpeg
tmjohnson
11-30-2017, 07:36
Yeah the homeless are so helpless. on e of the bastards helped himself by breaking into my truck and 3 others in the neighborhood.
Yeah the homeless are so helpless. on e of the bastards helped himself by breaking into my truck and 3 others in the neighborhood.
It would be interesting to see the number of crimes committed by transients vs everyone else. I see a lot of them commit minor crimes when it starts to get really cold so they can be taken to jail and out of the cold and given 3 hots and a cot.
Here is a fitting article about using robots to deter homeless.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/13/security-robots-are-being-used-to-ward-off-san-franciscos-homeless-population/
KevDen2005
12-13-2017, 16:12
Here is a fitting article about using robots to deter homeless.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/13/security-robots-are-being-used-to-ward-off-san-franciscos-homeless-population/
I would use a Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 for scaring off the homeless.
UrbanWolf
12-13-2017, 17:02
Irving is correct, mainly population. Colorado is a beautiful place and many, many people want to live here. I'm hoping for an absolutely brutal winter but I don't think we're gonna get one this coming season.
I have a question for those of you who travel around the metro area alot. How many people do you observe giving money to panhandlers?
People stop at green lights to give them money!
My buddy used to work at the Sushi place near downtown, one day he got off with a box of leftover sushi, and saw a homeless guy in the parking lot. He gave it to the homeless, they guy barely acknowledged that, didn't say thank you or anything. When my buddy was pulling out of the parking lot he saw the homeless taking a photo of the sushi with a smartphone. He never gave homeless people a thing after that.
Wealthy Bel-Air wrestles with homeless crisis after encampment fire burns homes (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/homelessness/wealthy-bel-air-wrestles-with-homeless-crisis-after-encampment-fire-burns-homes/ar-BBGHkPn)
In the tony hillside neighborhoods of Bel-Air and Brentwood, residents say they are aware of the homeless that live in the shadows of their multimillion-dollar homes.
The affluent area along the 405 Freeway in the Sepulveda Pass, home to celebrities, corporate titans and others, has not been immune to the homeless crisis that has spread across the city. Some residents express sympathy and concern for the homeless, others are wary and want them out.
But the Skirball fire, which destroyed homes and forced the evacuation of a large chunk of Bel-Air, has put the homeless issue at the forefront of community debate. Fire officials say the fire was caused by a cooking fire at a homeless camp along the 405. Investigators say the fire was accidentally set but have not been able to find those who occupied the camp.
Resident Alma Soll, whose balcony was covered with soot by the fire, said the homeless population is a part of life in the area but that the fire was disconcerting.
"It's scary," said Soll, 70.
Many residents said they don’t want to demonize the homeless but also worry about the fire danger in the wake of the blaze, which spread quickly after starting Dec. 6 and was 85% under control Wednesday morning.
"I really sympathize and empathize with these people," said Craig Conner, 53. “If my house were one of the six that burned down, maybe I'd be more angry," he added.
Nickie Miner, vice president of the Bel Air-Beverly Crest Neighborhood Council, said residents have long worried about the fire hazard from hillside homeless encampments, but “all the agencies’ hands seemed to be tied.”
“We knew it was only going to be a matter of time before something horrible happened,” Miner said.
Miner said she was skeptical of the proposed campaign to educate homeless people about fire risks. Los Angeles needs a massive regulatory overhaul like the one that followed the 1961 Bel-Air fire, she said, which should include eliminating hillside encampments.
Debate about camps and the fire danger come as Los Angeles is struggling with a rise in the homeless population. An annual count in May found that the homeless population of Los Angeles County had soared 23% to nearly 58,000 people in the last year. In the West L.A. service area — including Bel-Air and Brentwood — the homeless population rose 18%, from 4,659 to 5,511, in the same time period, the count found.
Photos taken of the Sepulveda encampment in September and shared with The Times showed a cluster of green and olive tarpaulins stretched across a canyon, partially hidden by treetops and brush.
The camp is “a little obscure,” Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority spokesman Tom Waldman said. An outreach team had not visited the ravine for at least a few months, and possibly as long as a year, he said.
After the Skirball fire swept through, investigators found evidence that people had been cooking and sleeping there, but did not find anyone to interview, Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman Peter Sanders said. The department has no suspects. The size of the encampment before the fire could not be determined because the area was so badly burned.
All that remained Tuesday was a scorched portable stove, a pot, a cheese grater, several fuel canisters and the remnants of a boombox. Burned pages of the children’s encyclopedia littered the charred brush and rocks in the canyon.
"Homelessness is a huge problem in our city," added Dash Stolarz, director of public affairs for the Mountains Recreation and Conservation Authority. The fire “is one more indication that this is a major issue that we need to put all our resources into to deal with."
The denial is strong with them.
I would use a Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 for scaring off the homeless.
Looking at the robot in the article I was thinking more along the lines of Daleks... "Homeless, exterminate!"
How long before someone steals the robot? Or maybe just pushes it over?
...or maybe just build a water hazard?
http://youtu.be/yndLMUcygh0
UrbanWolf
12-14-2017, 10:43
How long before someone steals the robot? Or maybe just pushes it over?
...or maybe just build a water hazard?
http://youtu.be/yndLMUcygh0
That thing is a neutered Dalek.
Aloha_Shooter
12-14-2017, 13:31
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/robocop/images/e/ef/Ed209.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/263?cb=20100116202642
I'm glad someone beat me to the ED209 picture. The SF on looks a bit like a Dr Who special effect. Or a plug.
The ED209 has a reputation for having a tough time with stairs. [Coffee]
Aloha_Shooter
12-15-2017, 07:42
The ED209 has a reputation for having a tough time with stairs. [Coffee]
Not many stairs if it's just patrolling the sidewalks. It DOES seem to have a problem with target recognition but I'm not sure that's an issue if it's left to roam the perimeter of the state capitol.
The ED209 has a reputation for having a tough time with stairs. [Coffee]Lolhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/44b665322d349c0d2dbc22523a46992e.jpg
gnihcraes
12-15-2017, 19:12
The wife just spent several days in Oakland CA, she said it was a mess with homeless camps. Way worse than Denver. (so far anyway)
Not many stairs if it's just patrolling the sidewalks. It DOES seem to have a problem with target recognition but I'm not sure that's an issue if it's left to roam the perimeter of the state capitol.
I would be perfectly happy to avoid the area. [mop]
I work downtown and the main thing that pisses me off about the homeless is all the trash they leave behind or around where they have there tents and shit. They had people cleaning up between 19th-17th and platte st. There are trash cans all over the place, throw your trash away you lazy POS it’s not like you work for a living.
I was north of Mississippi on Santa Fe and they were cleaning up the homeless camps. Many large trucks full of garbage and stinkier stuff. One park "Ranger" and the rest an environmental cleanup company. As in decontamination. Looked expensive. Crazy!
I'm in favor of handing out train tickets or bus tickets to California with a gift certificate to a liquor store for pot shop in a California city.
GilpinGuy
12-16-2017, 08:01
I'm in favor of handing out train tickets or bus tickets to California with a gift certificate to a liquor store for pot shop in a California city.
I like it! The only snag there is that there enough good intentioned people giving these people gift certificates to liquor stores (aka cash) that there's no reason to get on a bus.
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