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http://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/08/welcome-to-colorful-east-california/
Yes, that is sad.
I love Colorado, the mountains, the sky, even the plains are nice.
I can see leaving after I retire. The communists are putting this place to ruin.
Zundfolge
12-09-2017, 11:54
The problem I've always had with Jon is that he's spent his life swimming in the liberal infested waters of Boulder/Denver and is the most pessimistic person on "our side" with a major voice. Like a lot of Republicans his attitude seems to be "why fight, the dems are going to win anyway."
Of course the huge irony is he's probably right ... but if you're going to put yourself out there as the voice of the libertarian right you should at least lie to us and tell us we have a chance of winning because then we might.
Good read, and yes, sad...
BladesNBarrels
12-09-2017, 12:45
The problem I've always had with Jon is that he's spent his life swimming in the liberal infested waters of Boulder/Denver and is the most pessimistic person on "our side" with a major voice. Like a lot of Republicans his attitude seems to be "why fight, the dems are going to win anyway."
Of course the huge irony is he's probably right ... but if you're going to put yourself out there as the voice of the libertarian right you should at least lie to us and tell us we have a chance of winning because then we might.
Should be happy that the hedge fund that owns the Denver Post is still publishing his column.
Zundfolge
12-09-2017, 16:39
Should be happy that the hedge fund that owns the Denver Post is still publishing his column.
And the local PBS station still runs his show (which is sometimes informative and entertaining).
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu-w7huUgtiCV0MZHa5ltYQ
KevDen2005
12-09-2017, 21:35
On point and I love my state. I most likely won't retire here (although another 20 years away) because of the cost.
The problem I've always had with Jon is that he's spent his life swimming in the liberal infested waters of Boulder/Denver and is the most pessimistic person on "our side" with a major voice. Like a lot of Republicans his attitude seems to be "why fight, the dems are going to win anyway."
Of course the huge irony is he's probably right ... but if you're going to put yourself out there as the voice of the libertarian right you should at least lie to us and tell us we have a chance of winning because then we might.If he's right, it isn't irony.
I've lived here since '94. My first locale was Parker. Parker is a microcosm of how the state is changing. A little 'horse town' Californicated. I'm sure there are many similar examples.
One of the appeals to me was that it was still 'wild'. You could go hiking through the forest and still run into dangerous wildlife. Today, even the mountains are turning into suburbia.
The growth has been great for employment if you're in a career involving tech, among others. The liberalization of the state, just since I've been here, is difficult to ignore. The number of out of state plates, and the states represented, in the past several years have been a reminder of what's happening to this state.
It's sad to see what's happening to this country as large crowded cities dictate the political outcomes to people in large parts of the land mass that don't want anything to do with city living. The draw of those high density populations seems to appeal to leftist thinking and I admit that I don't understand the appeal. I do understand there are fewer places one can escape to get away from this.
Are there enough people in this country that its direction can be changed, or will it have to destroy itself first so that conservative minds, like our ancestors, can put it together again? These are issues that I wished would have to be answered sometime after I was worm food, but they seem to be arising within my generation.
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68Charger
12-10-2017, 11:40
I is sad, I lived in Colorado from 1997- 2017 (I was in TX part of 2016 to get property ready here for move) and it just isn't the same.
What was especially frustrating to me was living rural, and being ruled by what felt like a liberal oligarchy in Denver Metro.... over half the population of Colorado is in Denver Metro- so if you live outside there, you don't matter to politicians.
I'm afraid the same thing will eventually happen to TX... liberal Urban areas like Austin and Houston outvoting us country hicks- but so far it's the opposite... and some urban areas in TX are relatively conservative.
Bailey Guns
12-10-2017, 12:03
At the risk of offending other members by hyper-actively posting (although, to be fair, I'm not describing my current location as Nirvana), and being one of those who has chosen to move out of Colorado due to many of those things Caldara mentions, I have but one thing to add: This is news?
I've been using the term "California East" to describe Colorado for at least 5 years or so.
Madeinhb
12-10-2017, 14:31
At the risk of offending other members by hyper-actively posting (although, to be fair, I'm not describing my current location as Nirvana), and being one of those who has chosen to move out of Colorado due to many of those things Caldara mentions, I have but one thing to add: This is news?
I've been using the term "California East" to describe Colorado for at least 5 years or so.
I moved here from CA 8 years ago 1) for a job and 2) to get away from CA. Now that my job is a permanent work from home - I'm preparing my house to sell and leave.
I am sure WV residents says the same thing about Colorado people there:
"Y'all damn yuppy Colorado people from school of mines taking all our mining jobs...."
At the risk of offending other members by hyper-actively posting (although, to be fair, I'm not describing my current location as Nirvana), and being one of those who has chosen to move out of Colorado due to many of those things Caldara mentions, I have but one thing to add: This is news?
I've been using the term "California East" to describe Colorado for at least 10 years or so.
FTFY. Its sad to see what's happened here... What's worse is that they're fleeing CA for various reasons, but coming here and voting for the same people and policies that made CA the way it is. Useless idiots.
hurley842002
12-11-2017, 12:46
At the risk of offending other members by hyper-actively posting (although, to be fair, I'm not describing my current location as Nirvana), and being one of those who has chosen to move out of Colorado due to many of those things Caldara mentions, I have but one thing to add: This is news?
I've been using the term "California East" to describe Colorado for at least 5 years or so.
How dare you not stay and FIGHT!!
I really think it has more to do with the amount of people moving here, rather than where they are moving from. Maybe someone can name some high population density area that is some conservative wonderland, but I can't. More people equals less freedoms, in every case I can think of.
Bailey Guns
12-11-2017, 18:09
How dare you not stay and FIGHT!!
No shit, right? Or, and I know this is crazy talk and way out there logic...but maybe another alternative is to move away from the nonsense and enjoy life instead.
hurley842002
12-11-2017, 18:16
No shit, right? Or, and I know this is crazy talk and way out there logic...but maybe another alternative is to move away from the nonsense and enjoy life instead.
This sounds like the logical choice to me.
I got here in 1994 when the boom was just getting into full swing. But the past few years the politics and policies are definitely turning this place into some place I'm not pleased with. I'm starting to feel like a foreigner here. My kids go to a magnet school and the parents are by and large sneering leftists from out of state. My daughter says that most kids in her middle school homeroom don't even stand for the pledge of allegiance. Wyoming? Idaho? Montana? Which state is going to be most freedom loving and resilient to getting overrun by leftists?
I am sure WV residents says the same thing about Colorado people there:
"Y'all damn yuppy Colorado people from school of mines taking all our mining jobs...."
University of Missouri - Rolla or Missouri Tech or whatever it is they call it nowadays likely takes more of those jobs anyways :-p School of Mines is decent but can't touch Rolla for the quality and availability of training.
Wyoming? Idaho? Montana? Which state is going to be most freedom loving and resilient to getting overrun by leftists?
None? I don't think conservative values will be politically relevant much longer (to the extent they still are). Much more important to virtue signal than be a responsible upstanding citizen.
68Charger
12-15-2017, 13:22
How dare you not stay and FIGHT!!
Call it a tactical retreat... Why haven't y'all moved to Texas to ensure it doesn't turn blue???
because if TX falls, then all of us are fucked on a Federal level... eventually the cycles will come around the other way- but question is just how far are we going to go to the left first?
BladesNBarrels
12-15-2017, 17:37
Last summer a new member of the Neighborhood message board posted that she was new to Colorado and was looking for like-minded people to form a politically active group to change the culture.
What?
She doesn't even look around and find out what Colorado's climate is before she wants to change it.
If she didn't like the culture, why move here?
Sorry, just jumped on my soap box to vent
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Last summer a new member of the Neighborhood message board posted that she was new to Colorado and was looking for like-minded people to form a politically active group to change the culture.
What?
She doesn't even look around and find out what Colorado's climate is before she wants to change it.
If she didn't like the culture, why move here?
Sorry, just jumped on my soap box to vent
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That's the problem. They are like a virus. They can't peacefully coexist with those who don't think JUST LIKE THEM.. they come in, "change the culture," it all goes to shit (surprise!), then move and change that new location to the culture that just destroyed where they came from. We need a anti-viral to help fight the virus, and it sure ain't logic, cause we've tried that and it didn't work.
That's the problem. They are like a virus. They can't peacefully coexist with those who don't think JUST LIKE THEM.. they come in, "change the culture," it all goes to shit (surprise!), then move and change that new location to the culture that just destroyed where they came from. We need a anti-viral to help fight the virus, and it sure ain't logic, cause we've tried that and it didn't work.
I'd say that this is hardly the problem at all. People like to point their fingers at this issue, but sheer population density is a much larger issue.
Great-Kazoo
12-15-2017, 20:06
Call it a tactical retreat... Why haven't y'all moved to Texas to ensure it doesn't turn blue???
because if TX falls, then all of us are fucked on a Federal level... eventually the cycles will come around the other way- but question is just how far are we going to go to the left first?
Umm Tejas has already fallen. Texicans are just in denial about it.
Glad people are actually moving out of the state....now if we can get more to follow.
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My wife overheard another IT worker complaining about all the people coming here and how crowded it's getting. The kicker? The person complaining came here from India.
My wife overheard another IT worker complaining about all the people coming here and how crowded it's getting. The kicker? The person complaining came here from India.
Well, they know more about "crowded" than almost any other people. Reminds me of the immigrants from socialist countries escaping and then having to watch the USA descent into the same abyss.
BladesNBarrels
12-16-2017, 10:43
Years ago we had neighbors that had left Germany before the war started and came to the USA.
They were the most ardent 2nd Amendment supporters I had met to that time.
They said many times that the confiscation of firearms from private citizens helped to take the power away from the people.
The 2nd Amendment does not promote hunting, target shooting, or recreational use.
It is to prevent the government from taking away our freedom.
Darn, back on that soap box again.
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bkincaid
12-16-2017, 11:21
Last summer a new member of the Neighborhood message board posted that she was new to Colorado and was looking for like-minded people to form a politically active group to change the culture.
What?
She doesn't even look around and find out what Colorado's climate is before she wants to change it.
If she didn't like the culture, why move here?
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I hear this same mentality soooo many times. Folks move here only to try to change it to how it was where they came from.
If it was so darn good where they came from, why don't they take their happy asses back to where they came from and leave me alone.
68Charger
12-16-2017, 12:00
Umm Tejas has already fallen. Texicans are just in denial about it.
I guess it depends on how you define fallen... I don't do it by race terms...
I checked- last time it went D in a presidential election was 1976 for Carter.
it's certainly not as far gone as CO, and good luck "changing the culture" (at least outside Austin)... I know they're trying it in urban areas- but Texas pride will make this especially difficult for them.
Great-Kazoo
12-17-2017, 01:22
I guess it depends on how you define fallen... I don't do it by race terms...
I checked- last time it went D in a presidential election was 1976 for Carter.
it's certainly not as far gone as CO, and good luck "changing the culture" (at least outside Austin)... I know they're trying it in urban areas- but Texas pride will make this especially difficult for them.
Race had nothing to do with my post. Austin was lost decades ago. It's Houston and Big D that worry me, combined (as here) with the east and left coast moved in mentality. Granted CO is lost, trying to figure out which hole to plug on the ship is futile.
I'm from California and have been in Colorado for about 3 years now, I love this place but I can see it becoming another extension of California. I came here for a reason and I don't want to see Colorado have similar issues like California.
My trophy wife is on the neighborhood thing. Much to my chagrin. I couldn't possibly do it. I'd be banned, informed on, run out of town on a rail, etc. etc. etc. I finally told her tonight, just now, about the hyper-enlightened, cluelessactivistsnowflake transplant mentioned above. I had hesitated until now, as I know how she is. To her credit, the paint is still on the walls, the walls are still standing, and she is fairly well adjusted...for now. I don't think it has sunk in, yet. I'm from California. There, I've said it. Granted, it was decades ago, you know, when easterners were flocking to California for the schools. Yep, the ones I went to. Where I learned about our country's contribution to world peace, general welfare, Nazi-slaying, Nippon global-domination slaying, fascist-slaying, (not the current revisionist, PC version of "fascist") and general good will toward man. Perfect? Nope, not by a long shot. A preferable alternative to what the rest of the world had to offer? You betcha! When Bernie takes, and passes, a BASIC math class, have him give me a call.
Wow, I feel better already.
Don't EVEN get me started about my neighbors across the street from San Diego. Totally trying to bring their failed previous domicile here with them! WHY???
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-18-2017, 06:57
Last summer a new member of the Neighborhood message board posted that she was new to Colorado and was looking for like-minded people to form a politically active group to change the culture.
What?
She doesn't even look around and find out what Colorado's climate is before she wants to change it.
If she didn't like the culture, why move here?
Sorry, just jumped on my soap box to vent
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Wow, just wow.
Having said that, if you are talking about NextDoor, I’m not shocked. I was a lot happier before I knew just how stupid people really are. If anyone here lives anywhere near Golden is on there, I’m sure they can describe all about the bears on Apex drama of this summer.
My favorite one however went like this:
Idiot 1: Did you hear gunshots last night?
Idiot 2: I heard about 7
Idiot 3: It wasn't gunshots
Idiot 1: It was definitely gunshots. I know gunshots.
Idiot 2: It sounded like it came from the park.
Idiot 3: Well, I found these spent fireworks at the park (insert pic)
Troll 1: I'll shoot my gun tonight so you know what it sounds like
68Charger
12-18-2017, 08:15
Wow, just wow.
Having said that, if you are talking about NextDoor, I’m not shocked. I was a lot happier before I knew just how stupid people really are. If anyone here lives anywhere near Golden is on there, I’m sure they can describe all about the bears on Apex drama of this summer.
My favorite one however went like this:
Idiot 1: Did you hear gunshots last night?
Idiot 2: I heard about 7
Idiot 3: It wasn't gunshots
Idiot 1: It was definitely gunshots. I know gunshots.
Idiot 2: It sounded like it came from the park.
Idiot 3: Well, I found these spent fireworks at the park (insert pic)
Troll 1: I'll shoot my gun tonight so you know what it sounds like
No Nextdoor out here, but somebody did create a Facebook page for "the neighborhood"... and some transplant asked one time if anyone heard the "machine gun fire" (this was not too long after Vegas)
I just ignored it, but there were so may other ways that could have been trolled...
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-19-2017, 06:59
No Nextdoor out here, but somebody did create a Facebook page for "the neighborhood"... and some transplant asked one time if anyone heard the "machine gun fire" (this was not too long after Vegas)
I just ignored it, but there were so may other ways that could have been trolled...
I want to troll it myself, but no way after the bears drama. I was talking to a coworker who lives in my neighborhood, and he agreed - my house would probably be burned down around me as I slept.
Sometimes those nextdoor apps and FB groups do work out well... we just had an instance recently that benefited greatly because of those. Some storage company was planning on putting in a storage facility near our neighborhood, it would be the 4th or 5th within a few mile radius, and the plan was to have a 3-story building on a 300+ acre lot. Talk about an eyesore. Word about a planning meeting got spread around through both Nextdoor and a Facebook group, and pretty much everyone was against this, so due to word spreading a group managed to go to the meeting, voice their displeasure, and got the idea shot down. Granted, sometimes these things can be for the wrong idea, but this time it worked out for the good of the neighborhood.
Zundfolge
12-20-2017, 15:27
Sometimes those nextdoor apps and FB groups do work out well...
Nextdoor sucks because it tends to group neighborhoods with the neighboring neighborhoods so we get comments and issues posted from other neighborhoods which is at best annoying at worst creates "you don't live here so STFU" based conflicts.
Our neighborhood FB page is pretty good because we're pretty strict about not allowing people from outside the neighborhood to join.
What works best is the ancient neighborhood list-serv
Nextdoor sucks because it tends to group neighborhoods with the neighboring neighborhoods so we get comments and issues posted from other neighborhoods which is at best annoying at worst creates "you don't live here so STFU" based conflicts.
Our neighborhood FB page is pretty good because we're pretty strict about not allowing people from outside the neighborhood to join.
What works best is the ancient neighborhood list-serv
I agree. The "neighborhood" they lumped us in on that app includes 5 Parks, which is almost 2.5 miles from where I live. What happens with them may not apply to us. And I've seen some of that "you don't live here" stuff. Again, my emphasis is on sometimes. It's rare, though.
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