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electronman1729
12-14-2017, 15:23
Decided to play hookie from work to go see star wars tonight.
Guys in the shop wouldn't shut up about it, so I announced I just looked up spoilers online and started making up stuff while they ran out of the room covering their ears. Good times.
newracer
12-14-2017, 16:39
I am going too.
USMC88-93
12-14-2017, 16:46
You could have just gone to the 2:45AM showing and made it to work.
The Westminster Promenade 24 must have half their theaters showing the flick. Both IMAX and regular, they have showtimes every fifteen minutes and the last show I saw was 2:45AM.
I am seeing it in IMAX tomorrow at 12:15PM. But was shocked to learn most theaters now only have assigned seating what a pain in the ass if you just want to go on the spur of the moment you end up with bad seats.
The wife and I have tickets to go see it this Saturday afternoon. Christian Toto (of HollywoodInToto fame) was on 630 this morning talking about it with Ross Kaminsky. They didn't give any spoilers, but they both said it was good with a few drawbacks. I usually trust Christian's reviews- since he's one of the only movie critics that's right of center- and it seems like it won't be nearly as good as Rogue One. I still can't wait, I've been a fan for as long as I can remember (and I wasn't born yet in '77 ;) )
ETA: Here (http://www.hollywoodintoto.com/last-jedi-review/)is Toto's review of it, don't worry he doesn't throw in spoilers, but does point out some downfalls that might leave a bad taste in your mouth that can be confirmed upon seeing the movie.
I will be seeing it in a week or two. I’m not big on seeing anything as soon as it opens.
I will be seeing it in a week or two. I’m not big on seeing anything as soon as it opens.
Me too, which is why I've never seen the original Star Wars. Still seems too crowded for me.
Me too, which is why I've never seen the original Star Wars. Still seems too crowded for me.
1977 called. They're not showing Star Wars anymore.
I want the theatrical release versions of the 1st 3 films in 4K HDR Ultra HD BluRay.
.455_Hunter
12-14-2017, 19:23
I wonder if any of the post-Aurora upgraded big premier security measures will be in effect?
I want the theatrical release versions of the 1st 3 films in 4K HDR Ultra HD BluRay.
Wouldn't that be something.
Great-Kazoo
12-14-2017, 19:45
We're waiting till mon or tues. Old timers matinee discount ;)
I’ve got next Tuesday and Wednesday free. Think the new firefighter son and I will go Tuesday, looking forward to it.
USMC88-93
12-14-2017, 21:03
I'm watching "The Force Awakens" tonight so it is fresh in my mind watching the new one tomorrow. Good thing the Broncos suck enough to ignore the game tonight.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-14-2017, 21:14
The Avs are on tonight.
The Avs are on tonight.
Every time I try to watch them, they immediately start tanking. I'm doing them a favor by not watching.
68Charger
12-14-2017, 21:46
Maybe see when I can watch it in Gun Barrel, TX Hometown Cinema... nice to support a theater that DOESN'T ban concealed carry.
theGinsue
12-14-2017, 22:05
Can you believe that they brought JarJar Binks back for this? New King of the Gungans my butt.
Oh, yeah, I just made that up. Enjoy the show.
I've been a huge Star Wars fan since '77 but The Force Awakens left me more disappointed than Episode I did. I think this movie will be a little better, but still not up to the hype I used to enjoy from a Star Wars film. It'll probably be after the New Year before I see it.
electronman1729
12-14-2017, 22:14
I just got out. I was disapointed.
Madeinhb
12-14-2017, 22:43
I just got out. I was disapointed.
Why am I not surprised.
Madeinhb
12-14-2017, 22:44
Can you believe that they brought JarJar Binks back for this? New King of the Gungans my butt.
Oh, yeah, I just made that up. Enjoy the show.
I've been a huge Star Wars fan since '77 but The Force Awakens left me more disappointed than Episode I did. I think this movie will be a little better, but still not up to the hype I used to enjoy from a Star Wars film. It'll probably be after the New Year before I see it.
The problem with episodes 1-3 was Lucas of cared about showing Vader becoming Vader and left the rest of story behind. Darth Mail could have been so much more bad ass.
Aloha_Shooter
12-14-2017, 23:09
I've got no interest in any films or TV work done by J.J. Abrams, Zack Snyder (except 300), or Ron D. Moore. I hated JJ's take on Star Trek and his first Star Wars movie, not going to waste my time on this one.
newracer
12-15-2017, 00:08
I liked it but not as much as Rogue One.
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Jeffrey Lebowski
12-15-2017, 07:02
Every time I try to watch them, they immediately start tanking. I'm doing them a favor by not watching.
Haha, appreciated. They were half tanked yesterday and got pretty lucky.
Jeffrey Lebowski
12-15-2017, 07:02
Anyway, I’ll watch this one on video, probably. Still didn’t see that one where they steal Death Star plans or whatever.
1977 called. They're not showing Star Wars anymore.
I want the theatrical release versions of the 1st 3 films in 4K HDR Ultra HD BluRay.
I would love that... but it probably will never happen.
I'm watching "The Force Awakens" tonight so it is fresh in my mind watching the new one tomorrow. Good thing the Broncos suck enough to ignore the game tonight.
That's what we're doing tonight before seeing Ep. VIII tomorrow.
I just got out. I was disapointed.
Blame Rian Johnson. He's a dipwad liberal.
Anyway, I’ll watch this one on video, probably. Still didn’t see that one where they steal Death Star plans or whatever.
It's actually quite good. Great action, awesome characters, and the story is good.
The problem with episodes 1-3 was Lucas of cared about showing Vader becoming Vader and left the rest of story behind. Darth Mail could have been so much more bad ass.
Does he work for USPS?
Does he work for USPS?
After he heard that FedEx paid better he left them, but the name was stuck.
The Force Awakens was a retread of A New Hope
Is The Last Jedi a remake of The Empire Strikes Back?
The Force Awakens was a retread of A New Hope
Is The Last Jedi a remake of The Empire Strikes Back?
I just saw a private showing of it. Some recycled content from Return of the Jedi with an Empire Strikes Back twist; the show felt like the same writer as Into Darkness. It wasn't as much of a retread as EpVII, but enough recycled content to be annoying. Maybe after this one, they can actually move the story forward instead of spinning in circles.
USMC88-93
12-15-2017, 16:45
The Force Awakens was a retread of A New Hope
Is The Last Jedi a remake of The Empire Strikes Back?
Hints of it in parts.
I just saw a private showing of it. Some recycled content from Return of the Jedi with an Empire Strikes Back twist; the show felt like the same writer as Into Darkness. It wasn't as much of a retread as EpVII, but enough recycled content to be annoying. Maybe after this one, they can actually move the story forward instead of spinning in circles.
I wouldn't count on it the way they are... but they're making a Han Solo origin story next, hopefully that'll be as good as Rogue One.
Firehaus
12-15-2017, 17:02
I thought it was pretty good and don't mind the references to past films showing up. Other than vii planet killer star base, aka a bigger death star.
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Jeffrey Lebowski
12-15-2017, 21:49
It's actually quite good. Great action, awesome characters, and the story is good.
Well, now I don’t need to go. I was out in a family type restaurant tonight with a wait and a couple of nerds who just left the theater gave the whole movie away.
I tend not to go to the theater anyway and I’m not really super into Star Wars.
I really liked Rogue One, but man I just can't give a shit about the new Episode movies.
1 and 2 sucked, 3 was pretty good, 4, 5 and 6 are overrated, 7 sucked and I just don't care for the characters anymore. Han was always my favorite, and he's dead now, so...
theGinsue
12-16-2017, 10:31
What I hated about Rogue One was that "it's not a 'Star Wars' movie, it's a 'Star Wars Story' ". Because of this they didn't start the movie with the powerful Star Wars opening music or the blast of "Star Wars" hitting the screen...the movie just rolled into the content. I felt cheated.
So, we're eight movies in. Everything is a retread of some other movie or element.
The milking scene? [LOL] Did I just see pron?
If anyone is taking their younglings... It's a lot of a tense violence/battle scenes (which makes it good!). There is only one scene of graphic violence I'm worried about...
(See SPOILERS in link!)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/parentalguide
Overall I think they did a good job. Lots of "Disney" going on in some places but my expectations have been lowered over the years. If you go just wanting to have fun and casually see the story move along, it's worth the price of admission.
I was a fan of the first three as a kid. (When I say first three I mean 1977, 1980, and 1983) I didn’t watch the next three but saw brief parts of each when my kid was watching them. They looked horrible. When the force awakens came out I was kind of excited about it because it sort of came after the original three movies which I enjoyed. I was sadly disappointed. It was pretty much a bad rehash of the plot from the original film. Took a chance on Rogue One and really thought it was a good show. I’m hoping this one that just came out isn’t as disappointing as the force awakens.
Madeinhb
12-16-2017, 15:21
I was a fan of the first three as a kid. (When I say first three I mean 1977, 1980, and 1983) I didn’t watch the next three but saw brief parts of each when my kid was watching them. They looked horrible. When the force awakens came out I was kind of excited about it because it sort of came after the original three movies which I enjoyed. I was sadly disappointed. It was pretty much a bad rehash of the plot from the original film. Took a chance on Rogue One and really thought it was a good show. I’m hoping this one that just came out isn’t as disappointing as the force awakens.
I watched it last night. I wasn't as disappointed as 7. But I was disappointed. This one has hints of 5&6. JJ Abrams really wants to make 4-6 his way and is doing it. Pretty similar.
I won’t touch any of the new stuff since Disney’s involved. I got through about 15 mins of the last one and turned it off.
wctriumph
12-16-2017, 17:24
It'll be out on Blue Ray by the end of Feb so I'll wait to see it on my own TV. So far, I have seen them all at the theater and the original Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back were the only two good ones.
I really liked Rogue One, but man I just can't give a shit about the new Episode movies.
1 and 2 sucked, 3 was pretty good, 4, 5 and 6 are overrated, 7 sucked and I just don't care for the characters anymore. Han was always my favorite, and he's dead now, so...
I felt that if all the star wars movies were like rogue one than I would be a way bigger star wars fan.
I felt that if all the star wars movies were like rogue one than I would be a way bigger star wars fan.
Agreed. Rogue One was an exciting movie. And the space battles were awesome! Something very much lacking in The Force Awakens. In fact, the entirety of the Battle of Scarif was fantastic.
TEAMRICO
12-17-2017, 00:25
Saw it tonight. I need more time to process it.
Aloha_Shooter
12-17-2017, 20:36
JJ Abrams really wants to make 4-6 his way and is doing it. Pretty similar.
... and that is all I needed to hear. Abrams did the same thing with his Star Trek films. A lot of fans fantasize about doing the same -- the difference is that Abrams isn't even a fan, he's just a well-connected director/producer with an ego. I didn't like the Abramsverse in Star Trek or in Episode 7 so guess I'll pass on Episode 8.
Madeinhb
12-17-2017, 20:38
... and that is all I needed to hear. Abrams did the same thing with his Star Trek films. A lot of fans fantasize about doing the same -- the difference is that Abrams isn't even a fan, he's just a well-connected director/producer with an ego. I didn't like the Abramsverse in Star Trek or in Episode 7 so guess I'll pass on Episode 8.
8 was much better than 7 but the story line sucked. He brought up a lot of questions in 7 that were never answered
Zundfolge
12-17-2017, 20:39
Meh, I'll wait for the torrents.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. It wasn't the best SW film, but it was pretty good. I feared it would be a retread of Empire Strikes Back, but it really wasn't. I felt like there was some issues with Luke, I won't spoil it though by discussing. There were a couple of poorly placed plot devices (fuel? When you see it you'll understand). The one issue I saw was the "rich" city, basically saying if you work for Northrop Grumman or Lockeed Martin you're evil (that's the best I can do without including any spoilers). It wasn't enough to ruin the movie for me, but it did tell me where the writer/directer's head is at. And I really don't like Rian Johnson. Other than that, enjoyable, and the next episode will be interesting for sure.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. It wasn't the best SW film, but it was pretty good. I feared it would be a retread of Empire Strikes Back, but it really wasn't. I felt like there was some issues with Luke, I won't spoil it though by discussing. There were a couple of poorly placed plot devices (fuel? When you see it you'll understand). The one issue I saw was the "rich" city, basically saying if you work for Northrop Grumman or Lockeed Martin you're evil (that's the best I can do without including any spoilers). It wasn't enough to ruin the movie for me, but it did tell me where the writer/directer's head is at. And I really don't like Rian Johnson. Other than that, enjoyable, and the next episode will be interesting for sure.
Some? If a core character in a story is unrecognizable, it's a big problem. I can't really go into why I dislike the movie so much without it being revealing. I think people like me who grew up with the original trilogy are more likely to dislike this movie; it deviates too far from the original premiss (actually, I think is shits all over the original trilogy), and it continues the failures of not developing the new characters making so much of it nonsensical.
Madeinhb
12-18-2017, 14:23
Some? If a core character in a story is unrecognizable, it's a big problem. I can't really go into why I dislike the movie so much without it being revealing. I think people like me who grew up with the original trilogy are more likely to dislike this movie; it deviates too far from the original premiss (actually, I think is shits all over the original trilogy), and it continues the failures of not developing the new characters making so much of it nonsensical.
I agree. Further detail will spoil it for others. And yea - my opinion is Disney went "here JJ, do what you want". And JJ took that and didn't continue anything. It appears he is just rewriting the originals. This movie was a mix of Empire and Jedi. And no character explanation or anything.
I agree. Further detail will spoil it for others.
[snip]
There should be a second Star Wars WITH SPOILERS thread.
Cause you're both right... Can't say anything else on the matter.
I agree. Further detail will spoil it for others. And yea - my opinion is Disney went "here JJ, do what you want". And JJ took that and didn't continue anything. It appears he is just rewriting the originals. This movie was a mix of Empire and Jedi. And no character explanation or anything.
I keep seeing references to JJ Abrams for the Last Jedi. Did he have anything to do with this film?
Madeinhb
12-18-2017, 17:23
I keep seeing references to JJ Abrams for the Last Jedi. Did he have anything to do with this film?
He was the executive producer. Disney gave him control over the franchise. At least these 3 films. He didn't write the full script. Johnson did. But JJ had to approve and make changes as well.
colorider
12-18-2017, 18:40
I'm a freak. I haven't seen any of the Star Wars movies in its entirety. I have tried several times with a few of them, but just can't continue till the end. Actually, I bail about a half hour in. Started with the original. Just not interesting or entertainment to me.
I'm a freak. I haven't seen any of the Star Wars movies in its entirety. I have tried several times with a few of them, but just can't continue till the end. Actually, I bail about a half hour in. Started with the original. Just not interesting or entertainment to me.
When I went to the theater in 1977, it was pretty cool compared to what was available at that time. My brother and I were huge fans because of how big it was then. I can see how people who didn't experience it then don't think much of it now.
When I went to the theater in 1977, it was pretty cool compared to what was available at that time. My brother and I were huge fans because of how big it was then. I can see how people who didn't experience it then don't think much of it now.
Yep. I saw the first three in the theaters. Watching them now the special effects, costumes, etc. are a bit cheesy. All of that stuff I just mentioned was pretty much state of the art in the late 70's and early 80's.
colorider
12-18-2017, 23:57
Yep. I saw the first three in the theaters. Watching them now the special effects, costumes, etc. are a bit cheesy. All of that stuff I just mentioned was pretty much state of the art in the late 70's and early 80's.
I'm not a youngin. I saw the 1st in the theater when I was a kid. It should have blown me away. Don't get me wrong, it was cool to see, but the story and concept never caught on with me.
I haven't watched anything opening night since the hype around Jurasic Park 2 came out and every theater in southbridge was showing it. And knowing that the puke in the hallways wasn't from the best sequel since T2 but because the Socialist Justice shit that helped ruin a movie that snatch defeat from the the jaws of victory. I will wait for DVD on this one too. Fuck paying Hollywood to tell me propaganda. Maybe, DL on Torrent like the last 2?
I really enjoyed it but I have simple tastes and have always LOVED Star Wars.
Saw it again...still love it
Some? If a core character in a story is unrecognizable, it's a big problem. I can't really go into why I dislike the movie so much without it being revealing. I think people like me who grew up with the original trilogy are more likely to dislike this movie; it deviates too far from the original premiss (actually, I think is shits all over the original trilogy), and it continues the failures of not developing the new characters making so much of it nonsensical.
See I grew up with the OT- granted I was born in the 80's and fell in love with the series AFTER they had already been on VHS for a number of years. I excitedly went to go see the "Special Edition" when they re-released it in theaters, and felt that was just meh, fixing something that really wasn't broken. I disliked the prequels immensely and thought perhaps Lucas hadn't aged well with his directing and writing skills. But then, someone pointed out some of the instances where Lucas' writing in the OT is actually pretty awful. He's great at creating, but is horrible with dialog.
As far as the newer movies- I'll say I enjoyed them, for the simple fact that it's taking a franchise into a new generation of writers/directors. The problem I have is how Abrams handled "The Force Awakens." I understand what he was doing- paying homage to "A New Hope"- but it teetered into replowing old ground and was basically a remake with some classic characters thrown in. It really didn't work very well, but was still somewhat enjoyable. As far as the latest, after some processing and thinking on it more, I can't really criticize too harshly, as it was a very decent movie. Granted, I'm a purist and thought that re-doing the OT was a terrible idea- even if it was "finally the film I wanted to make originally" (Direct quote from Lucas) with the technology to get the things he really wanted back in the 70's. These new films are just new directors doing the film they want to make within the universe so many of us grew up with and love. I can't fault them too much for that, but I can state my displeasure with some of the directions and aspects I didn't agree with. Yes, the damage done to the character of Luke Skywalker was atrocious, but didn't ruin the movie for me. I do like the character of Rey, I do like the conflict for Finn, and now we're seeing the full arc for Kylo Ren starting to really develop. I'm excited for where the final film goes, and hope that the future of the franchise continues to entertain. Now if they'll just make a Boba Fett film, I'll be happy. I'm really excited for May when they release the Han Solo origin film.
Zundfolge
12-20-2017, 14:29
Sargon's review and commentary is just awesome:
(spoilers in the video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPsRp7uUXUk
I will be seeing it in a week or two. I’m not big on seeing anything as soon as it opens.
Went and watched it with the family last night. I actually thought it was pretty well done and enjoyed it. Definitely better than “the Force Awakens”. Kylo is still a weak substitute for Vader but overall the film kept me entertained. I’m actually looking forward to seeing how everything wraps up in the next movie.
I also heard there will be more Star Wars movies in the future that won’t tie in to the whole Luke Skywalker story line. I’ll be curious to see how those turn out.
Probably be seeing quite a few movies with the family in 2018. Lots of superhero movies coming out and curiosity to see what they do with the Han Solo story. I also agree with a previous poster that a Boba Fett movie could likely make for a cool story someday.
The new Star War movie in five seconds (no spoilers):
https://youtu.be/u5gj0hhb_yw
u5gj0hhb_yw
Zundfolge
01-02-2018, 10:56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-GxIoQPXPg
Just saw it. I liked The Greatest Showman much more than The Last Jedi.
Wow you guys are making it hard to justify seeing this movie. We saw rogue one last year and i honestly didn't consider that movie to be enjoyable. I was epically underwhelmed by the force aweakens.
muddywings
01-06-2018, 16:16
It sucked. Thats all I have to say about that.
Zundfolge
01-06-2018, 16:31
Just saw it. I liked The Greatest Showman much more than The Last Jedi.
I keep hearing how good The Greatest Showman is ... but it just looks so ... well ... gay. Do you have to enjoy musical theater to enjoy it or is there more to it? My wife kinda wants to see it (which is fine, I always reap "benefits" after a Hugh Jackman movie).
Can't wait till it comes out on DVD.
I keep hearing how good The Greatest Showman is ... but it just looks so ... well ... gay. Do you have to enjoy musical theater to enjoy it or is there more to it? My wife kinda wants to see it (which is fine, I always reap "benefits" after a Hugh Jackman movie).
And the benefits afterward should be enough incentive right?
"No, we're not homosexual, but we are willing to learn. Winger: Yeah . . . Would they send us someplace special?" Thanks Bill Murray.
I had never seen Zac Efron before, but I believe he is the eye candy in this movie and not Mr. Jackman. This may be the first Jackman movie I've seen where he doesn't take his shirt off. You may want to warn your wife just to keep her from being disappointed.
I enjoyed the music, the story, and it didn't bother me one bit that there was only a cursory notion of factual information related to PT Barnum's life. Barnum would probably have enjoyed the idea that people were entertained with a fictional account of his life. This movie was sort of American Bollywood without subtitles, with US pop music, and didn't last three hours. It has been a long time since watching a movie actually made me happy.
ZERO THEORY
01-07-2018, 02:40
SPOILERS.
HEY, DUMMY. DID I MENTION THE SPOILERS???
I enjoyed it for the most part, as a simple piece of popcorn entertainment. I'm not a Star Wars nerd, so my complaint didn't really ruin the movie or franchise for me personally, but it does kind of ruin the whole franchise logically.
The Death Star. The 2nd, rebooted Death Star in TFA, any time they know where Darth Vader/Snoke/Palpatine/Maul is, etc. If you can just light jump a ship through some shit, then turn on autopilot and send a frigate through the target every time. Or one brave soul on a suicide mission, if there's no jump speed autopilot. A price gladly paid. What a dumb time for them to realize they can just jump into the target. That's like constantly being foiled by the bars on a liquor store window when you drive an F350 with an ARB bumper; drive through that MFer and be done with it.
Aloha_Shooter
01-07-2018, 16:19
Saw it yesterday, mainly because my brother and brother-in-law wanted to see it.
It seemed to me like the writer/director had 4 or 5 different ideas of what he wanted to do with the movie and couldn't pick so he tried (unsuccessfully) to jam all of them into the movie. Horribly illogical plot sequences, terrible use of Luke, blatant political correctness overrode any sense of storytelling. It made me want to ask if Rian Johnson had actually watched the first 3 movies or just had them described to him by his nanny.
Wow you guys are making it hard to justify seeing this movie. We saw rogue one last year and i honestly didn't consider that movie to be enjoyable. I was epically underwhelmed by the force aweakens.
I've never been a Star Wars super fan, but if I was, I'd be really upset.
As it is now, I think I'm just done with Star Wars.
SPOILERS.
HEY, DUMMY. DID I MENTION THE SPOILERS???
[snip]
If you can just light jump a ship through some shit, then turn on autopilot and send a frigate through the target every time. Or one brave soul on a suicide mission, if there's no jump speed autopilot. A price gladly paid. What a dumb time for them to realize they can just jump into the target. That's like constantly being foiled by the bars on a liquor store window when you drive an F350 with an ARB bumper; drive through that MFer and be done with it.
The Rebels never let a woman lead or they would have figured this out 40 years ago! It took Vice Admiral Gender Studies taking command to realize this. And of course her courageous martyrdom.
All those a, x, y, patriarchy-wings needlessly lost in IV and VI exercising their Toxic Masculinity.
Not even Admiral Akbar had this kind of leadership! #MonCalamariPriviledge
J/K
Like I've said, I went in knowing it was never going to be what we wanted and just tried to have fun. Once the show is over you do think about this stuff. Now that there are pages of spoilers... My biggest beef is Luke. Kidding above but I think the strong male characters were purposefully moved out of the franchise. A trend we're seeing a lot of everywhere. And it means we didn't get the Luke we should have gotten but worse, Rey hasn't been developed into a strong character either because...
Saw it yesterday, mainly because my brother and brother-in-law wanted to see it.
It seemed to me like the writer/director had 4 or 5 different ideas of what he wanted to do with the movie and couldn't pick so he tried (unsuccessfully) to jam all of them into the movie. Horribly illogical plot sequences, terrible use of Luke, blatant political correctness overrode any sense of storytelling. It made me want to ask if Rian Johnson had actually watched the first 3 movies or just had them described to him by his nanny.
(agree)
It was important to introduce class warfare as a story arc but not a conclusion on Rey's background? And so important to move Luke out of the story that Rey now has no one to train her?
Snoke is another one... An ancient we know nothing about (from this series) and no reconciliation with all the other movies. Has this guy been behind the scenes the whole time?
Yeah, bad storytelling but it's also jeopardized the series and any remaining story telling.
Singlestack
01-08-2018, 15:20
SPOILERS.SPOILERS.SPOILERS.SPOILERS. and then SPOILERS.
Man, I sure wish the old emporer was still around. This Snookie guy is worthless. Knows Ray is the bees knees with the force and just lets Ray do the remote light saber samurai sword thing. See, the emporer had Vader around to protect him. Wasn't Luke Skywalker smart enough to do the light saber samurai sword thing, just like Ray?
When the movie ended, the first thing I said to the wifester was how dumb the asian maintenance chick was in taking out Fin before he could destroy the "door laser" thing. At that point in the movie, that was the only way they knew to beat the bad guys. Then after she wipes out some stupid speech about "love over war" or some idiotic PC gibberish.
Another dumb thing: princess Leia is dead, really dead. They had at least 2 credible ways to kill her off in the movie - suffocating in space, or having her shuttle get blown up like most of the rest. Instead, she grows a magical force capability she never used to have to mysteriously fly to an airlock while holding her breath forever. I feel more stupid for having watched it.
We finally went to see it today. I loved it. There were some issues, plot-wise, but all in all, it was far better than I was hoping.
SPOILERS.
HEY, DUMMY. DID I MENTION THE SPOILERS???
The Rebels never let a woman lead or they would have figured this out 40 years ago! It took Vice Admiral Gender Studies taking command to realize this. And of course her courageous martyrdom.
All those a, x, y, patriarchy-wings needlessly lost in IV and VI exercising their Toxic Masculinity.
Not even Admiral Akbar had this kind of leadership! #MonCalamariPriviledge
J/K
Like I've said, I went in knowing it was never going to be what we wanted and just tried to have fun. Once the show is over you do think about this stuff. Now that there are pages of spoilers... My biggest beef is Luke. Kidding above but I think the strong male characters were purposefully moved out of the franchise. A trend we're seeing a lot of everywhere. And it means we didn't get the Luke we should have gotten but worse, Rey hasn't been developed into a strong character either because...
(agree)
It was important to introduce class warfare as a story arc but not a conclusion on Rey's background? And so important to move Luke out of the story that Rey now has no one to train her?
Snoke is another one... An ancient we know nothing about (from this series) and no reconciliation with all the other movies. Has this guy been behind the scenes the whole time?
Yeah, bad storytelling but it's also jeopardized the series and any remaining story telling.
Luke will be back as a Force Ghost. He wasn't fully trained as a Jedi, either, in the earlier films.
When the movie ended, the first thing I said to the wifester was how dumb the asian maintenance chick was in taking out Fin before he could destroy the "door laser" thing.
Yeah, Yolo Ono was pretty awful.
Which reminds me, that scene in the beginning where he sister tries to use The Force to grab the remote control for the bomber was basically lifted wholesale from Mall Rats, which had a running gag of one one the characters trying to use The Force.
In any other movie I would have assumed it was a sly wink and a nod to Kevin Smith fans. In this one, I just assumed it's terrible writing.
And that scene with Yoda was godawful.
Yeah, Yolo Ono was pretty awful.
Which reminds me, that scene in the beginning where he sister tries to use the force to grab the remote control for the bomber was basically lifted wholesale from Mall rats, which had a running gag of one one the characters basically teeing to use The Force. In any other movie I would have assumed it was a sly wink and a nod to Kevin Smith fans. In this one, I just assume it's terrible writing.
She wasn't trying to use the force; she was kicking the ladder as hard as she could to try and get the remote control to overbalance and fall down to her.
Luke will be back as a Force Ghost. He wasn't fully trained as a Jedi, either, in the earlier films.
Luke was a Skywalker. What is Rey? Would have a been a great time to tell us! Her parents were junk traders that traded her off for booze?!? Come on. I'm still not sure. But it doesn't seem like this is a story about the Skywalkers anymore.
After the comments Hamil made about what they did to Luke I'm not sure Disney will employ him. Maybe for two minutes as a force ghost.
vectorsc
01-09-2018, 10:07
If you want an even more fun note, look at the directors filmography. A few bizarre short films, and then BAM writer AND director of a Star Wars film.
If the Disney board of directors has a child molestation room somewhere chances are this guy was the waiter...
“Say, guys. About all them kids in room 31 who left the resort walking all funny? Well, I always wanted to direct my very own Star Wars movie...”
Yeah, Yolo Ono was pretty awful.
[ROFL1] That's awesome! Talk about a BS character I'm sure they just threw in to placate the minority PC crowd. Not a very well written, or acted, part.
If you want an even more fun note, look at the directors filmography. A few bizarre short films, and then BAM writer AND director of a Star Wars film.
If the Disney board of directors has a child molestation room somewhere chances are this guy was the waiter...
“Say, guys. About all them kids in room 31 who left the resort walking all funny? Well, I always wanted to direct my very own Star Wars movie...”
Interesting theory... it makes perfect sense. Disney is full of pervs anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had some child sex ring or something.
StagLefty
01-09-2018, 12:17
[ROFL1] That's awesome! Talk about a BS character I'm sure they just threw in to placate the minority PC crowd. Not a very well written, or acted, part.
Interesting theory... it makes perfect sense. Disney is full of pervs anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had some child sex ring or something.
Well there was the gang bang deal with the Snow White thing !!!![ROFL2][Sarcasm2]
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Aloha_Shooter
01-09-2018, 22:28
Luke will be back as a Force Ghost. He wasn't fully trained as a Jedi, either, in the earlier films.
Luke wasn't raising tons of boulders or fighting like a samurai banshee without training either. The script on this was so full of wholes it makes Swiss cheese slices look like a solid steel plate.
I expect to see something about Yoda's ghost training Rey. He may be male (assumed since he's referred to as "Master") but he's green, not white, and always a fan favorite. Someone must have completed Luke's training between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi since Yoda died before Luke returned to Dagobah.
Luke wasn't raising tons of boulders or fighting like a samurai banshee without training either. The script on this was so full of wholes it makes Swiss cheese slices look like a solid steel plate.
I expect to see something about Yoda's ghost training Rey. He may be male (assumed since he's referred to as "Master") but he's green, not white, and always a fan favorite. Someone must have completed Luke's training between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi since Yoda died before Luke returned to Dagobah.
Actually, in the books, Luke gathered together a bunch of other Jedis, but he was the head Jedi and did not train with anyone else. Luke set up the Jedi Academy with the help of some computerized literature and ancient Jedi texts, but he never continued training with a Master. He just WAS a Jedi.
I'm kind of surprised that people seem to be pissed that Rey seemed to be pretty good at stuff, but were apparently okay with Luke being good at stuff with just as little training. The thing is, neither Luke nor Rey were trained in the conventional sense of a Jedi. The whole focus of the movie was that the Force was strong wth them. Luke used it when he was piloting the X-wing to destroy the Death Star. Rey supposedly has a much more powerful connection, but doesn't know how to really use it, or why. Or when, as evidenced by her colossal screw-up in which she ends up being brought right to Snoke. Ooops. Kylo Ren was the only one among them that even had a slighty traditional Jedi training, and that was by Luke. The guy that wasn't fully trained in the first place. The Force is more 'magical' and imbues everything. Didn't Obi-Wan keep saying "Feel the Force, Luke"? So how is that plausible, but not so much with Rey?
If you remember at the very end, the boy with the broom uses the Force without even thinking about it- like he wasn't even aware of it.
Is the Force magical? I was lead to believe it was some sort of biological symbiosis. Has anyone ever checked the midichlorian count for Luke, Leia, Kylo (Ben) Solo, or Rey? And I thought traditional Jedi training involved removing very young (toddlers) from their homes and loved ones to be placed into training academies run by unmarried masters. Sounds a bit too weird for me, but different strokes as the alter boys would say.
George Lucas had a neat idea and made three decent films out of it. The period between the first three movies and the prequels and sequels were all a long run up the ramp to jump the galactic shark. IMO of course.
May the Fourth be with you but save some money for Cinco de Mayo. [Coffee]
theGinsue
01-10-2018, 23:49
The Force is an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us. It penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.
My memory is horrible, but I can still quote most of the original STAR WARS movie by heart.
Is the Force magical? I was lead to believe it was some sort of biological symbiosis. Has anyone ever checked the midichlorian count for Luke, Leia, Kylo (Ben) Solo, or Rey? And I thought traditional Jedi training involved removing very young (toddlers) from their homes and loved ones to be placed into training academies run by unmarried masters. Sounds a bit too weird for me, but different strokes as the alter boys would say.
George Lucas had a neat idea and made three decent films out of it. The period between the first three movies and the prequels and sequels were all a long run up the ramp to jump the galactic shark. IMO of course.
May the Fourth be with you but save some money for Cinco de Mayo. [Coffee]
Great write up. I have to say that I'm still working through the Pirates saga and I think they rapped it up nicely. Too bad it tanked at the box office. Or whatever 100's of millions it did make that wasn't enough.
Is the Force magical? I was lead to believe it was some sort of biological symbiosis. Has anyone ever checked the midichlorian count for Luke, Leia, Kylo (Ben) Solo, or Rey? And I thought traditional Jedi training involved removing very young (toddlers) from their homes and loved ones to be placed into training academies run by unmarried masters. Sounds a bit too weird for me, but different strokes as the alter boys would say.
George Lucas had a neat idea and made three decent films out of it. The period between the first three movies and the prequels and sequels were all a long run up the ramp to jump the galactic shark. IMO of course.
May the Fourth be with you but save some money for Cinco de Mayo. [Coffee]
The biological factor assists in helping to control the Force, and 'magical' was not magical, but "magical"; non-Jedis can use a light saber, but the Force can be used by those individuals with a biological prediliction to guide them in skills that would otherwise require years and years to acquire and perfect- hence Luke's X-wing skills and Rey's dueling skills.
I don't know if the movie version of Kylo was tested. The others certainly were not, although Luke mentioned in the movie that the last time he had sensed power like he felt in Rey, was when he was near Ren.
I'm not sure of the point of your observation of traditional Jedi schools; I already addressed the fact that in the books and movie, Luke started up a Jedi Academy with texts and computerized software- despite the fact that he had no more training from anyone else. This reflects on those martial-arts movies of the 'natural talent', where the underdog doesn't have the fancy training and prvileges of others, and yet somehow manages to succeed on pure pluck and heart. :)
If the Jedi council or any of it's members actually had any ability to see the future, they certainly would have killed Anakin prior to his big Pod race. Think of all the young padawans, not to mention all of the citizens of the Republic who would have been spared rather than slaughtered with just this one death. Yoda, Qui Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, et all collaborated with Darth Sidious as they actively created the clone army that became the Galactic Third Reich.
Who wouldn't kill baby Hitler if they knew what he was going to do? The one thing Luke got right in this last movie is the Jedi religion needs to die. How many more Gungans and Bothans need to die for the Skywalker family?
Was Snoke Sith? Darth Smeagol is pretty funny but we barely got to know him before he was killed in an industrial accident when the safety on Luke's lightsaber failed. Maybe next time they will drop test the lightsaber before they just leave those things laying around. At least put a fingerprint reader on the thing so that only the "right" people can turn those things on. If it would only save one child. [panic]
Zundfolge
01-11-2018, 12:39
Is the Force magical? I was lead to believe it was some sort of biological symbiosis.
IIRC everyone decided to pretend the whole midichlorian thing never happened and its no longer canon.
Truth is "The Force" is nothing more than ch'i ... Star Wars was Buddhist propaganda from the get go. :p
Darth Smeagol is pretty funny but we barely got to know him before he was killed in an industrial accident when the safety on Luke's lightsaber failed.
Need to look at it closely and see if there's a SIG logo on it.
I just don't have a delete button on my memory. Qui Gon Jinn, a Jedi master, took a blood sample from little Darth Vader while on Tatooine and deemed his biology acceptable (superior biology...what could possibly go wrong with that idea).
The Jedi Council equivocated on the decision to train the little tyke but ineffectual in stopping the future blood bath. With training Anakin Vader could bring balance to the Force. Instead he was taken to the equivalent of the 19th Century Indian Schools and trained in the art of murdering padawans (other children removed from their families), Jawas, and Sandpeople. Why didn't Ben Kenobi finish his young padawan after he was horribly burned? Couldn't Kenobi use the force to feel that Anakin was still alive and in agony. Sure Ben, walk away and leave him to die in pain. I guess Jedi don't have a "Never leave a man behind" ethos. At least put Old Yeller out of his misery. Clearly that heartless oversight ended well.
I watch the films, and IMO there was nothing outstanding in this latest film. But I hope you can tell, I don't have much respect for the Star Wars universe or the story outside of the original romantic, swashbuckling adventure represented in the original 1977 movie. And for the record, Chewbacca was always piloting the Millennium Falcon and Han Solo's controls were not connected. Anyone reading the news knows what kind of pilot Harrison Ford really is.
vectorsc
01-11-2018, 15:07
Wouldn't be the first time Michelle Obama piloted something while the mans controls were disconnected.
I just don't have a delete button on my memory. Qui Gon Jinn, a Jedi master, took a blood sample from little Darth Vader while on Tatooine and deemed his biology acceptable (superior biology...what could possibly go wrong with that idea).
The Jedi Council equivocated on the decision to train the little tyke but ineffectual in stopping the future blood bath. With training Anakin Vader could bring balance to the Force. Instead he was taken to the equivalent of the 19th Century Indian Schools and trained in the art of murdering padawans (other children removed from their families), Jawas, and Sandpeople. Why didn't Ben Kenobi finish his young padawan after he was horribly burned? Couldn't Kenobi use the force to feel that Anakin was still alive and in agony. Sure Ben, walk away and leave him to die in pain. I guess Jedi don't have a "Never leave a man behind" ethos. At least put Old Yeller out of his misery. Clearly that heartless oversight ended well.
I watch the films, and IMO there was nothing outstanding in this latest film. But I hope you can tell, I don't have much respect for the Star Wars universe or the story outside of the original romantic, swashbuckling adventure represented in the original 1977 movie. And for the record, Chewbacca was always piloting the Millennium Falcon and Han Solo's controls were not connected. Anyone reading the news knows what kind of pilot Harrison Ford really is.
I just don't have a delete button on my memory. Qui Gon Jinn, a Jedi master, took a blood sample from little Darth Vader while on Tatooine and deemed his biology acceptable (superior biology...what could possibly go wrong with that idea).
The Jedi Council equivocated on the decision to train the little tyke but ineffectual in stopping the future blood bath. With training Anakin Vader could bring balance to the Force. Instead he was taken to the equivalent of the 19th Century Indian Schools and trained in the art of murdering padawans (other children removed from their families), Jawas, and Sandpeople. Why didn't Ben Kenobi finish his young padawan after he was horribly burned? Couldn't Kenobi use the force to feel that Anakin was still alive and in agony. Sure Ben, walk away and leave him to die in pain. I guess Jedi don't have a "Never leave a man behind" ethos. At least put Old Yeller out of his misery. Clearly that heartless oversight ended well.
I watch the films, and IMO there was nothing outstanding in this latest film. But I hope you can tell, I don't have much respect for the Star Wars universe or the story outside of the original romantic, swashbuckling adventure represented in the original 1977 movie. And for the record, Chewbacca was always piloting the Millennium Falcon and Han Solo's controls were not connected. Anyone reading the news knows what kind of pilot Harrison Ford really is.
LMAO! You almost cost me a cup of coffee and a keyboard...... [ROFL1]
Aloha_Shooter
01-11-2018, 22:06
Actually, in the books, Luke gathered together a bunch of other Jedis, but he was the head Jedi and did not train with anyone else. Luke set up the Jedi Academy with the help of some computerized literature and ancient Jedi texts, but he never continued training with a Master. He just WAS a Jedi.
Didn't bother with the books, just going by what I saw in the films. Luke had all this great genealogy but still required training to do more than use the Force to enhance his senses. Something gave him remarkably greater control between Empire and Return but Rey had none of that and still kicked ass like a trained Master. Yeah, right. Because Grrrrrl Power.
I'm kind of surprised that people seem to be pissed that Rey seemed to be pretty good at stuff, but were apparently okay with Luke being good at stuff with just as little training. The thing is, neither Luke nor Rey were trained in the conventional sense of a Jedi. The whole focus of the movie was that the Force was strong wth them. Luke used it when he was piloting the X-wing to destroy the Death Star. Rey supposedly has a much more powerful connection, but doesn't know how to really use it, or why. Or when, as evidenced by her colossal screw-up in which she ends up being brought right to Snoke. Ooops. Kylo Ren was the only one among them that even had a slighty traditional Jedi training, and that was by Luke. The guy that wasn't fully trained in the first place. The Force is more 'magical' and imbues everything. Didn't Obi-Wan keep saying "Feel the Force, Luke"? So how is that plausible, but not so much with Rey?
BIG difference IMO between sensing this Force that flows between all living things anyway and actively using it to control things. I really don't care if Rey is more powerful, I have no particular love for Luke either, it's just the story as written so transparently illogical and PC. The engineer in me wants there to at least be some rationale behind these kinds of discrepancies instead of just blatant "we want the grrrrrl to kick Luke's arse".
If you remember at the very end, the boy with the broom uses the Force without even thinking about it- like he wasn't even aware of it.
I remember and that's yet another logical disconnect. Rian Johnson's depiction of The Force is tangibly different from its portrayal in past films.
IGeorge Lucas had a neat idea and made three decent films out of it. The period between the first three movies and the prequels and sequels were all a long run up the ramp to jump the galactic shark. IMO of course.
I'm in the camp that says he made 2 good films out of it, 1 trite, mediocre, predictable closer and 3 pieces of garbage.
If the Jedi council or any of it's members actually had any ability to see the future, they certainly would have killed Anakin prior to his big Pod race. Think of all the young padawans, not to mention all of the citizens of the Republic who would have been spared rather than slaughtered with just this one death. Yoda, Qui Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, et all collaborated with Darth Sidious as they actively created the clone army that became the Galactic Third Reich.
I'll give them a pass on this one. There's a big step going from recognizing a danger and committing murder, especially infanticide.
Why didn't Ben Kenobi finish his young padawan after he was horribly burned? Couldn't Kenobi use the force to feel that Anakin was still alive and in agony. Sure Ben, walk away and leave him to die in pain. I guess Jedi don't have a "Never leave a man behind" ethos. At least put Old Yeller out of his misery. Clearly that heartless oversight ended well.
I watch the films, and IMO there was nothing outstanding in this latest film. But I hope you can tell, I don't have much respect for the Star Wars universe or the story outside of the original romantic, swashbuckling adventure represented in the original 1977 movie. And for the record, Chewbacca was always piloting the Millennium Falcon and Han Solo's controls were not connected. Anyone reading the news knows what kind of pilot Harrison Ford really is.
Ben clearly let his feeling betray his judgment when it came to Anakin. Supposedly he decided Luke was now the one who was going to bring balance to the Force. Doesn't look like that now. I will cherish my memories of the first 2 films and just ignore the rest -- just like "Galactica 1980" never happened ...
Didn't bother with the books, just going by what I saw in the films. Luke had all this great genealogy but still required training to do more than use the Force to enhance his senses. Something gave him remarkably greater control between Empire and Return but Rey had none of that and still kicked ass like a trained Master. Yeah, right. Because Grrrrrl Power.
So you're saying that you think something gave Luke greater control between Empire and Return, such as possible training that was done off-screen? But that couldnt have happened with Rey, between TFA and TLJ?
I didn't see her control as that of a Master; her fight with Snoke's guards had her concentrating on one while Kylo pretty much took care of the rest.
Had Rey been male, would your opinion be different?
Aloha_Shooter
01-13-2018, 01:40
Rey's gender has nothing to do with my opinion. Her level of proficiency with the lightsaber in TFA was ridiculous for anyone who had just picked one up for the first time -- it was on par with the mechanic turned combat pilot in TLJ, just plain stupid writing -- and for Yoda to tell Luke she didn't need the books because she already knew everything in them, just when and how was she supposed to have gained this knowledge without an instructor?
Rey's gender has nothing to do with my opinion. Her level of proficiency with the lightsaber in TFA was ridiculous for anyone who had just picked one up for the first time -- it was on par with the mechanic turned combat pilot in TLJ, just plain stupid writing -- and for Yoda to tell Luke she didn't need the books because she already knew everything in them, just when and how was she supposed to have gained this knowledge without an instructor?
That's a good question, and I wondered what exactly was in the texts. My guess is that they did it for movie continuity/segue for new generations of both movie-goers and for character actors.
I didn't see the 'grrrrl' power that has been alluded to in the thread. The women in charge made many, many illogical and grievous errors on so many occurancs that it made me wonder if everyone with a XX chromosome is operating on "women don't have brains, they have feelz," trope.
Rey's gender has nothing to do with my opinion. Her level of proficiency with the lightsaber in TFA was ridiculous for anyone who had just picked one up for the first time --
Rey knew how to defend herself pretty well with a staff. Martial arts were likely a requirement for her survival, so I'm not too surprised that someone would instinctively know what to do when forced to use a shorter stick (aka light saber).
Mostly enjoyed it, though IV and V are my favorites. My biggest disappointment was with Luke and how his character was written. Evidently Mark Hamill felt the same. Hell Obi-wan was more badass in “A New Hope”.
OtterbatHellcat
01-13-2018, 22:59
Haven't seen the new one yet, but I did buy some tickets to see the first movie with a live orchestra soundtrack...it might be a really cool experience. It's in March up at the First Bank Center....22nd/24th I think.
I've clearly read far too many of the books. IMHO, the book story arc would have made a much better series of movies. Jacen Solo becomes a much better Sith Lord than Kylo Ren will ever be, Jaina Solo or Tahiri Veila would have made a better female lead with more depth, along with Mara Jade... I could go on, but then the true depth of my geekiness would be exposed. [ROFL1]
I've clearly read far too many of the books. IMHO, the book story arc would have made a much better series of movies. Jacen Solo becomes a much better Sith Lord than Kylo Ren will ever be, Jaina Solo or Tahiri Veila would have made a better female lead with more depth, along with Mara Jade... I could go on, but then the true depth of my geekiness would be exposed. [ROFL1]
When they announced they were going to make 7-9 I was excited... especially at the potential of Thrawn being brought to the big screen. Then my hopes were dashed by the complete disregard of the expanded universe as we know it.
This review from a bunch of guys who look like they smell like the inside of a Blockbuster Video store circa 1997 pretty much sums it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9hwGZFPSmw
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