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I haven't seen anyone post about this, and I just learned about this listening to Hannity on the radio while driving. Apparently there's a House Intel Committee memorandum that reveals some pretty damning details about FBI and FISA misuse. If this is as big as many (R) legislators are claiming it is, it could be quite the bombshell, sink Obama's legacy, and make Trump effectively bulletproof. Twitter has a new trending #ReleaseTheMemo.
‘Worse Than Watergate’: ‘Shocking’ House Intel Memo Allegedly Reveals FISA Abuse by Senior DOJ and FBI Officials
Members of the House on Thursday said they viewed a “shocking” classified memo allegedly detailing abuse of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) by senior Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigations officials in relation to the investigation of the Trump campaign and called for it to be declassified and available to the public immediately.“It’s troubling. It is shocking,” Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) told (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/18/gop-lawmakers-demand-alarming-memo-on-fisa-abuses-be-made-public.html) Fox News. “Part of me wishes that I didn’t read it because I don’t want to believe that those kinds of things could be happening in this country that I call home and love so much.”
“The facts contained in this memo are jaw-dropping and demand full transparency. There is no higher priority than the release of this information to preserve our democracy,” said (https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-matt-gaetz-issues-statement-demanding-intelligence-committee)Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), a member of the Judiciary Committee, which oversees the DOJ and the FBI.
Another Judiciary Committee member, Rep. Steve King (R-IA), called what he saw in the memo “sickening” and said it was “worse than Watergate.”
(https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/954194729511636992)
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I have read the memo. The sickening reality has set in. I no longer hold out hope there is an innocent explanation for the information the public has seen. I have long said it is worse than Watergate. It was #neverTrump (https://twitter.com/hashtag/neverTrump?src=hash) & #alwaysHillary (https://twitter.com/hashtag/alwaysHillary?src=hash). #releasethememo (https://twitter.com/hashtag/releasethememo?src=hash)
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Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-FL), another Judiciary Committee member, called the memo “deeply troubling” and said it raises questions about the “Obama DOJ and Comey FBI.”
“The classified report compiled by House Intelligence is deeply troubling and raises serious questions about the upper echelon of the Obama DOJ and Comey FBI as it relates to the so-called collusion investigation,” he tweeted.
(https://twitter.com/RepDeSantis/status/954083561350553600)
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The classified report compiled by House Intelligence is deeply troubling and raises serious questions about the upper echelon of the Obama DOJ and Comey FBI as it relates to the so-called collusion investigation.
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“You think about, ‘is this happening in America or is this the KGB?’ That’s how alarming it is,” Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA) told Fox News.
“It is so alarming the American people have to see this,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), a senior member of the Judiciary Committee, also said to network.
The viewing of the memo came after all Republican members of the House intelligence committee, whose investigators compiled the classified memo, voted Thursday to make it available to all House members. Every Democrat on the committee voted against it.
According to Gaetz, the memo’s contents could lead to the firing — and perhaps even jailing — of senior DOJ and FBI officials.
“I think that this will not end just with firings. I believe there are people who will go to jail,” he said (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/01/18/gaetz-believe-people-will-go-jail-intel-memo/) on Fox News’ Hannity.
He said what he saw in the memo also explains why Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Judiciary Subcommittee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) recently referred the Fusion GPS dossier author Christopher Steele for a criminal investigation.
“I think there will be criminal implications here,” Gaetz added.
The memo also reportedly contains information about the dossier put together by Fusion GPS that alleged Trump and members of his team colluded with Russians in the 2016 election, according to a report (https://saraacarter.com/2018/01/18/a-bombshell-house-intelligence-report-exposing-extensive-fisa-abuse-could-lead-to-the-removal-of-senior-government-officials/) by investigative journalist Sara Carter.
It was revealed in October that the dossier was funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. Despite being a political document, the dossier was reportedly part of the evidence FBI officials used to apply for and obtain a warrant through a secret FISA court to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.
Page told Breitbart News in a statement: “After over a year of inciting discord and threats of violence across America, it’s encouraging that the individuals in Washington responsible for these efforts to undermine our great democracy may be held accountable soon.”
Breitbart News reported (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/) on March 3, 2017, that the Obama administration took steps to undermine Trump’s presidential campaign using “police state” tactics, including spying on the Trump campaign. That report is widely believed to have led to President Trump’s tweet that later accused the Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower.
Members of the public and Congress are now calling for the document to be declassified and released to the public.
(https://twitter.com/RepLeeZeldin/status/954163652650782720)
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Immediately #ReleaseTheMemo (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ReleaseTheMemo?src=hash) #FISAMemo (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FISAMemo?src=hash) & ALL relevant material sourced in it. Every American needs to know the truth! We wouldn't be revealing any sources & methods that we shouldn't; only feds' reliance on bad sources & methods.
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DeSantis said the House intelligence committee, pursuant to House rules, should vote to make the report publicly available as soon as possible.
“While the report is classified as Top Secret, I believe the select committee should, pursuant to House rules, vote to make the report publicly available as soon as possible. This is a matter of national significance and the American people deserve the truth,” he said.
“Rule X of the House Rules allows the select committee to publicly disclose any information in its possession after a determination by the select committee that the public interest would be served by such disclosure.”
According to House Rules, if the House intelligence committee votes to make the report public, President Trump would have five days to issue an objection. If he objected, it would take a vote on the House floor.
LINK (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/18/worse-than-watergate-shocking-house-intel-memo-allegedly-reveals-fisa-abuse-by-senior-doj-and-fbi-officials/)
Interesting. Time will tell I guess. I'd bet money that nothing really matters anymore. Political scandals really damaged people 30-40+ years ago. Now nothing sticks to anyone because the country is so divided. E.g. no scandal can stick on Trump from the right; no scandal can stick on Hillary for the left. Hell, they will probably love her even more for it. SHE TRIED HER BEST TO STOP TRUMP. <3 and that's if it isn't being blown out of proportion as a headline story.
I dunno- from what Reps Gaetz and King are eluding to, this makes it seem like the FBI and DOJ were very KBG like... I don't know if this one will just slip on by.
The Clintons have lots of barbells, I suggest these guys stay away from the gym.
You'll have to pardon me if I don't hold my breath waiting for this to amount to anything.
Great-Kazoo
01-19-2018, 16:13
THIS JUST IN........... Police responding to a hostage situation at the Capitol.........
squirrel.
DONALD TRUMP WAS RUMORED TO BE SEEN IN A STEAM ROOM ENGAGING IN SEX, WITH AN AS OF YET UNNAMED FEMALE in 1978.
More details as they come in.
Obama could be photographed smoking crack with Marion Berry and it would be old news before it made yesterdays headlines.
Unless it's Trump the media doesn't care or would the media report it.
2 examples that made a difference after the tabloids (enquirer) ran them
Gary Hart and John Edwards. Both ignored till pictures of Hart with his GF, then Edwards confessing to his affair
Then this tidbit ran in today's DP. Which points to the hysterics the D's have resorted to. So yeah, not really counting on anything happening.
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/01/19/donald-trumps-greatest-gift-his-enemies/
hollohas
01-19-2018, 16:41
Fox is the only network covering this. A couple other websites are reporting it but link to Fox. (Zerohedge, Drudge). This is a pretty big deal considering how many congressmen have commented on seeing it. But straight crickets from every other network.
I've been trying to find anywhere that's covering this but can't. Gives me ammo for a debate I'm currently having with a family member about the media being corrupt. He doesn't think so. Seriously.
Jeffrey Lebowski
01-19-2018, 18:55
You'll have to pardon me if I don't hold my breath waiting for this to amount to anything.
x2, and I hate ‘news’ stories like this. I get that it is classified, but until you’re prepared to tell us something more substantive than “certain members of one party are outraged,” Then STFU with your clickbait. Even if it is the party I tend to side with.
Now they're using the release of this information as another excuse for not agreeing on funding the govt.
Aloha_Shooter
01-19-2018, 20:38
The Republicans are stirring it up because they're trying to get the general public to apply pressure to get the memo released. They can't provide details themselves until the intel community has agreed to declassify the contents or they violate the law and their non-disclosure agreements. The decision on whether or not to release resides with the people who seemingly have the most to lose by having it become public so this kind of campaign is actually necessary.
hollohas
01-19-2018, 20:43
We all know there was/is some dirty shit going on in DC. Especially during the election. There must be some solid proof somewhere. There is dirty laundry and I hope it gets aired out. I hope this is it.
If a Republican administration were accused of this, the demonrats would have already released the contents of any memos they had under the guise of an unnamed anonymous source. It would be the lead on every news channel in this country.
NeedMoreAmmo
01-20-2018, 01:48
Wikileaks has a $1 million reward for whoever gives them the memo.
Meanwhile, all this does is show how we have the same corrupt government as a third world shithole, only with better tailors.
Got a better chance of monkeys flying out of my ass.....
JohnnyDrama
01-20-2018, 12:14
I heard that on Hannity yesterday as well. Mr. Hannity seems to have a gift for "clickbait".
x2, and I hate ‘news’ stories like this. I get that it is classified, but until you’re prepared to tell us something more substantive than “certain members of one party are outraged,” Then STFU with your clickbait. Even if it is the party I tend to side with.
Of all the things I've read here that sum up how I feel about this, Mr. Lebowski's comment is the most accurate.
If a Republican administration were accused of this, the demonrats would have already released the contents of any memos they had under the guise of an unnamed anonymous source. It would be the lead on every news channel in this country.
My thoughts exactly! Look at how Mueller has been selectively leaking the whole time (Gen. Flynn indictment). Diane Fineswine "leaked" Fusion GPS' 2017 testimony which has now been contradicted by Fusion GPS (no charges for perjury on that?) but she didn't leak that one. Nope.
The timing might actually make this hurt more. Look at the statements Dims are making so far in 2018...
- Tax cuts for workers are classist (for the rich), misogynist, racist, and will kill people
- Criminal immigrants (DACA) are more important than keeping the gov running for US citizens and the gov shut down will kill people
If this is worse than Watergate that will be three big blows that should separate them from working class centrists. And the fact based reporting will happen after the #SchumerShutdown news cycle.
Not to mention Lib media has hung their hat on this Steele Dossier for nearly two years.
Bailey Guns
01-20-2018, 13:22
Republicans are far from perfect. But they can't hold a candle to democrats in terms of lying, corruption and propaganda.
For the life of me I can't imagine corruption on this level occurring in the United States. From Obama and Hillary Clinton on down, the democrats involved in this are the absolute worst type of politician I can imagine. If these people were politicians in some communist country where people aren't free to investigate their activities I can't even comprehend the number of bodies that would've accumulated by now. The fact that democrats have weaponized the KGB FSB FBI is simply stunning.
Say what you will about Sean Hannity but he's been at the forefront of this (thanks to some amazing investigative journalism by Sara Carter and others) since the beginning...basically since Trump was accused of collusion with the Russians. A lot of this has come to light because he's hammered it every single day for the last year and half and because of his contacts in congress...specifically members of the Freedom Caucus.
What's just as troubling is the overt and conspicuous lack of coverage from the Fake-Treme media. They are going to ignore this until they are literally forced to report on it. I don't care who you are...if you can't see the extreme bias of most of the media towards the democrat party, you are living in a fantasy world. They are literally the military arm of the democrat party.
At one time you'd need to get into some serious third-world shithole countries to find corruption this bad. Thanks to the democrat party you don't even have to leave the couch now...it's happening right here.
Singlestack
01-21-2018, 11:50
The Republicans are stirring it up because they're trying to get the general public to apply pressure to get the memo released. They can't provide details themselves until the intel community has agreed to declassify the contents or they violate the law and their non-disclosure agreements. The decision on whether or not to release resides with the people who seemingly have the most to lose by having it become public so this kind of campaign is actually necessary.
It won't surprise me if the memo gets declassified, but given the intel community owns the declassification and is already highly compromised, I expect extreme redaction in this case. So the original memo might say:
"James Comey reviewed the Fusion GPS dossier and knew it was totally made up but used the dossier in the FISA request to get a FISA warrant issued to spy on the trump campaign"
The redacted and public version might say:
"****** ***** reviewed the ****************** and knew it was *************** but used the ******* in the ************ to get a ************ issued to *************************"
Good luck getting anything done with that level of covering tracks.
It won't surprise me if the memo gets declassified, but given the intel community owns the declassification and is already highly compromised, I expect extreme redaction in this case. So the original memo might say:
"James Comey reviewed the Fusion GPS dossier and knew it was totally made up but used the dossier in the FISA request to get a FISA warrant issued to spy on the trump campaign"
The redacted and public version might say:
"****** ***** reviewed the ****************** and knew it was *************** but used the ******* in the ************ to get a ************ issued to *************************"
Good luck getting anything done with that level of covering tracks.
I think you're a little off base with what will/won't be redacted. Usually redactions are done to conceal or protect a source or source information. So it might just be that the memo reveals the corruption, but doesn't cite how they discovered any. It would be one thing to declassify and release the memo (with relevant redactions), it would be quite another to release the redacted documents used to create said memo. I think this is much bigger than most will let on, seeing as it's rumored (I'm aware of the flak related to reporting on rumors) to be illegal use of FISA and the FBI/DOJ relating to a presidential election. The timing of this could be used more advantageously to benefit the Republicans come election time in Nov.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/ has been running this for many months. Wealth of information there.
Great-Kazoo
01-22-2018, 13:04
illegal use of FISA and the FBI/DOJ relating to a presidential election. The timing of this could be used more advantageously to benefit the Republicans come election time in Nov.
Considering Manafort was staying at one of Trumps hotels as a resident, then yes FISA violations, big time.
If this info was released now, buy friday the American public would have forgotten it. Get closer to nov. yes it would have a more lasting impact, if at all
Considering Manafort was staying at one of Trumps hotels as a resident, then yes FISA violations, big time.
If this info was released now, buy friday the American public would have forgotten it. Get closer to nov. yes it would have a more lasting impact, if at all
That's the reason I think a lot of them are sitting on this for a bit... the shutdown has kind of dominated the news, too. Maybe this will get shoved down on the docket a bit for a short time and then come creeping back. Politics is a dirty game, and it's high time the republicans stop playing nice.
ETA: We might not get so lucky... They're considering releasing the memo:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/22/republicans-hope-to-release-jaw-dropping-memo-on-surveillance-abuses.html
Firehaus
01-22-2018, 13:45
Why release it when we are too stupid to understand any memo...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/26156/watch-adam-schiff-gives-insane-reason-why-ryan-saavedra
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa95jLxZfc4
Reading a lot of speculation on these lines and others. If any of this is true, wow. I can't very well say "the Republic is in trouble" because it's obviously been that way for a long time (some think we live in a Democracy as proof). I think this is more in the "law and order is dead" category.
There is simply nothing that can be done to these actors that will represent justice in any way, shape, or form. The fact they are still free is inexplicable. As much I support Trump, I can't support sitting on this info to play politics.
Again, if true.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/166770-READ-THIS-AND-HEAR-ME-WELL
^ This should have been sent to the FBI in 2016
BushMasterBoy
01-23-2018, 14:40
My interpretation. FISA=Fighting Invading Space Aliens
[snip]
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/166770-READ-THIS-AND-HEAR-ME-WELL
^ This should have been sent to the FBI in 2016
FBI Official: FBI Agents Threatened Physical Harm to President Trump In Missing FBI Texts & Other “Frightening” Communications
https://truepundit.com/fbi-official-fbi-agents-threatened-physical-harm-president-trump-missing-fbi-texts-frightening-communications/
[snip]
“(Director) Wray wants a lid on this,” the FBI official said. “Many know there was talk of harming Trump politically but there is a group here (in D.C. HQ) that understands it goes deeper. We need a special counsel or Homeland Security. Somebody has to clean this up outside of DOJ. It is unacceptable.
[snip]
As reported yesterday in True Pundit, members of the FBI and Justice Department’s top brass at their Washington D.C.headquarters and other field offices are now using burner phones to stay under the radar of federal investigators and lawmakers, according to FBI insiders.
The shocking revelations come on the heels of news that the FBI deleted thousands of text messages between anti-Trump FBI agents before investigators could review their content.
No smoking gun on an assassination attempt in this story. Take that out and what's left? Only collusion to undermine the President Elect with a conspiracy that extended past the inauguration.
Here we go! I hear they are recommending wearing safety glasses to everyone at the FBI headquarters this week because of the excessive amount of finger pointing.
FBI in damage control, the swamp lowers a bit.
hollohas
01-29-2018, 19:13
And McCabe "retires" 24 hours after the director read it? Yeah right. That's not a coincidence.
And McCabe "retires" 24 hours after the director read it? Yeah right. That's not a coincidence.
Maybe the job just got too stressful and he didn’t feel like grinding out the last couple of months in order to get his retirement package.
Maybe the job just got too stressful and he didn’t feel like grinding out the last couple of months in order to get his retirement package.
I heard he's staying on a few more months so he can receive a retirement package.
Sounds like the news of his demise has been greatly exaggerated
https://saraacarter.com/mccabe-resigns-fbi-director-wray-reviews-house-fisa-abuse-memo/
“What’s important is that the American people will be informed and that the corruption by a few people inside the bureau and DOJ will be exposed,” said a former FBI source with knowledge of the situation. “We can’t move forward unless we as a nation are willing to come clean about what’s been going on and the first step is telling the truth.”
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2018, 06:57
In other news..... Gun sales took an unexplained upturn this week.
Jeffrey Lebowski
01-30-2018, 07:16
In other news..... Gun sales took an unexplained upturn this week.
The lackin’ challenge is really taking off too!
Zundfolge
01-30-2018, 11:06
Stefan has posted a fun and fact filled rant on the memo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXoQbq4V8do
CoGirl303
01-30-2018, 12:44
Saw this pop up on Twitter. no certainty as to its authenticity or legitimacy.
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edit: most likely fake. I think the original document is 4 pages long.
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2018, 16:46
Saw this pop up on Twitter. no certainty as to its authenticity or legitimacy.
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edit: most likely fake. I think the original document is 4 pages long.
If there was even a shred of truth to this (FAKE NEWS) document. Does one believe anyone would actually run with it, that would receive 24/7 national attention?
hurley842002
01-30-2018, 17:11
If there was even a shred of truth to this (FAKE NEWS) document. Does one believe anyone would actually run with it, that would receive 24/7 national attention?Considering there was a grammatical error within the first couple sentences, I agree with your fake news assessment.
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2018, 17:14
Considering there was a grammatical error within the first couple sentences, I agree with your fake news assessment.
Try reading past the first paragraph of a DP or USA today "story"
hurley842002
01-30-2018, 17:18
Try reading past the first paragraph of a DP or USA today "story"I don't read that garbage period, I get my news here...
Great-Kazoo
01-30-2018, 17:22
I don't read that garbage period, I get my news here...
Keep you Friends Close. Your Enemies Closer.
Their comments sections are a pulse on the urban, entitlement, white guilt, mindset.
I dunno, I thought the involvement of ms13 in the hit was a nice touch...
Sent from somewhere
Well, it's worse than Watergate...
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
The House Intelligence Committee has released its controversial memo outlining alleged abuses of secret surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Trump-Russia investigation. Here are some key points:
* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.
* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.
* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.
* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.
The pressure will be on to find other "facts" to substantiate the Trump-Russia narrative and justify the last year of crimes/abuses. I suspect there won't be any or Team Mueller would have already leaked them.
CoGirl303
02-02-2018, 11:43
the FISA memo in its entirety
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CXFnepvQamNJyuhSsVQazBO7p3-ZxVOL/view
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hollohas
02-02-2018, 12:29
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This wasn't just misconduct it was a coup attempt. And let's not kid ourselves that Trump was their only target. Anyone who didn't vote PantSuit is their enemy. Trump was on the menu because he dared to beat a Dim and hold back the radical transformation.
If a dozen or so people who are directly related to this don't go to prison, FedGov has lost all legitimacy. Not that there was much remaining after Obama (Fast and Furious, IRS Scandal, ACA, etc).
And of course there are many more people not mentioned in the memo who were behind this.
This wasn't just misconduct it was a coup attempt. And let's not kid ourselves that Trump was their only target. Anyone who didn't vote PantSuit is their enemy. Trump was on the menu because he dared to beat a Dim and hold back the radical transformation.
If a dozen or so people who are directly related to this don't go to prison, FedGov has lost all legitimacy. Not that there was much remaining after Obama (Fast and Furious, IRS Scandal, ACA, etc).
And of course there are many more people not mentioned in the memo who were behind this.
Yup, they tried to usurp our election process and run a soft coup on a sitting president.
If only we could find the link to these unsavory FBI/DOJ folks and Obama’s and Clinton.
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Yup, they tried to usurp our election process and run a soft coup on a sitting president.
+1
It started even before the election with the "insurance policy," but what's fascinating is that they did not stop knowing the whole time their investigation had no standing! Comey and McCabe have both perjured themselves trying to cover for it!
No Trump crimes they uncovered would have been admissible in court (fruit from poison tree). What was their endgame? Hoping they would find more dirt? Hoping the media would pressure Trump out? All out civil war?
They've just made Trump untouchable!
CoGirl303
02-02-2018, 14:10
+1
It started even before the election with the "insurance policy," but what's fascinating is that they did not stop knowing the whole time their investigation had no standing! Comey and McCabe have both perjured themselves trying to cover for it!
No Trump crimes they uncovered would have been admissible in court (fruit from poison tree). What was their endgame? Hoping they would find more dirt? Hoping the media would pressure Trump out? All out civil war?
They've just made Trump untouchable!
They just cost themselves the midterms and the next Presidential election.
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How does this make Trump untouchable? Untouchable in what way?
I read the posted document, but I don't know enough about any of this stuff to understand how serious it actually is. Anyone care to break it down with as little drama as possible?
Basically the FBI used a document that they knew the DNC had paid Russia to compile and knew was substantially false to get warrants to spy on the Trump group. This same document is the source of all the Russia collusion claims. Thus they are using fake evidence to investigate the Trump group looking for an excuse to impeach him.
This is an attempted coup and an attempt to remove a legitimately elected President.
Was this going on before the election, after, or both?
Also, if real evidence was found, would it have changed the perception? I ask because it seems like a real Hail Mary type of move. If you find nothing, then you just broke the law for nothing. If you find something substantial, you risked your career but in the end are made out to be some type of hero, right?
I'm happy that someone got caught exploiting their position for political gain. I believe that an example should be made here. I'm not confident that will happen, but it'd be an important step toward preserving our experiment if it did.
How does this make Trump untouchable? Untouchable in what way?
I read the posted document, but I don't know enough about any of this stuff to understand how serious it actually is. Anyone care to break it down with as little drama as possible?
The entire Trump RUSSSSIAAAAANNNNNZZZZZ! narrative was based on the Steele Dossier and no other facts/evidence.
The Dossier was created by Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS was paid by Clinton/DNC. Fusion then paid Steele to write the Dossier with his MI-6 credentials (not active at the time). Steele, as a foreign national and not subject to our restrictions on spying on US citizens, claimed the Russians had compromised Trump and had intel on him to include golden showers with hookers at Moscow hotels. (Yes, they took it to that level)
The FBI knew all of this in July 2016.
The Steele Dossier was then used by the FBI to get a FISA warrant to spy on Trump and his campaign. They also used Steele as a source. They didn't disclose any of this information to the FISA court in their application for the warrant. Again they knew the Dossier was bullshit.
The FBI renewed this warrant several times to continue their investigation. Still with the full knowledge all of this was false, likely hoping to catch Trump on something/anything.
At several times key FBI personnel including Comey and McCabe were asked about surveillance of Trump after Trump's tweet about being spied on at Trump Tower. They denied it. Under oath.
There are multiple examples of conflicts of interest. Bruce Ohr's wife worked for Fusion GPS while Ohr worked on the FISA warrant request. Peter Strzok and his mistress Lisa Page texting about the need to construct an "insurance policy." Strzok was also instrumental in clearing Clinton in 2016. Multiple text messages lost/deleted. Allegedly recovered but I don't think they've been released.
The FISA aspect of this meant, even with knowledge of the warrant, no one could disclose. Even Sessions had to stay out. Up until the Nunes memo's release, there were cries of damaging national security to keep this conspiracy secret. The media has been able to lie to people's faces about Trump and RUSSSSSIAAAANZZZZZ! knowing Trump could not defend himself without releasing classified info--something he very publicly accused Clinton of doing in the 2016 campaign.
This conspiracy has voided the credibility of the FBI or anyone at DoJ to hold the President accountable. They have been outed as political hacks who helped aid in this attempted coup with the DNC and their media. Trump could have committed multiple Logan Act violations, there is no way to continue a legitimate investigation let alone impeach, indict, convict.
Trump could be indicted for obstruction of justice for asking Comey to go easy on Flynn but now that the entire investigation is a sham, how could that possibly move forward? People are even wondering about Flynn's guilty plea.
Thanks for the breakdown. I have a feeling that the results and punishments for all of this are going to be pretty dissatisfying.
Thanks for the breakdown. I have a feeling that the results and punishments for all of this are going to be pretty dissatisfying.
I feel the same way but that's because we've been conditioned to watch the elites (globalists) do whatever illegal things they want w/o negative consequence.
I'm hoping things will be different this time but I won't hold my breath.
Thanks for the breakdown. I have a feeling that the results and punishments for all of this are going to be pretty dissatisfying.
Release of the memo on a Friday is telling. By Monday evening, the news cycle will have moved on, particularly since there's allegedly a football game Sunday that apparently means something to someone...
Plenty of time for the cockroaches to scurry back into the darkness, and Hillary's clean up squad to Arkancide any that might be able to give pertinent testimony..
CoGirl303
02-02-2018, 15:01
Was this going on before the election, after, or both?
Also, if real evidence was found, would it have changed the perception? I ask because it seems like a real Hail Mary type of move. If you find nothing, then you just broke the law for nothing. If you find something substantial, you risked your career but in the end are made out to be some type of hero, right?
I'm happy that someone got caught exploiting their position for political gain. I believe that an example should be made here. I'm not confident that will happen, but it'd be an important step toward preserving our experiment if it did.
both. now that this came out, anything that had turned up kn Trump would have been ruled inadmissible because it was obtained using false pretenses and the methodused has broken so many laws it's not even funny.
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Release of the memo on a Friday is telling. By Monday evening, the news cycle will have moved on, particularly since there's allegedly a football game Sunday that apparently means something to someone...
Plenty of time for the cockroaches to scurry back into the darkness, and Hillary's clean up squad to Arkancide any that might be able to give pertinent testimony..
Libs have 18 months of their lives invested in this narrative. It isn't going away in a weekend. They're already talking about releasing their own memo which will keep it in the news.
Plus, this memo is the beginning. Now that the criminality is exposed the gloves can come off. Who knows what we'll learn going forward.
Great-Kazoo
02-02-2018, 15:38
IMO if there is or was a smoking gun, by Sundays talking heads shows, it will be discredited and forgotten, come Monday morn. It should have been released closer to Nov.
I'm hearing people at work talking about it. They're 100% convinced it shows that Trump did the wrong thing all along. People don't want to accept facts, I can't even talk to folks today.
Bailey Guns
02-02-2018, 16:08
Whatever...this is far worse than Watergate. This isn't even in the same league as Watergate. Not to mention when it came to light people went to jail. This shows corruption at the highest levels of the DoJ and FBI and a pattern of deceit and lying by the same. This is the weaponization of the FBI and DoJ by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, and the willingness of Comey and others to play along. Furthermore, they're all complicit in an ongoing coverup and continued lies about their involvement. Look at what Comey said just today after the release of the memo, FFS. This has also ruined lives that otherwise wouldn't have been ruined.
Heads need to roll over this. There needs to be another special counsel appointed and people need to start going to jail...starting with Comey and Clinton.
I'm just amazed that so many are trying to minimize the seriousness of this.
hollohas
02-02-2018, 16:10
... What was their endgame? Hoping they would find more dirt? Hoping the media would pressure Trump out? All out civil war?
Trump wasn't supposed to win. Hillary was. And if she did, all of this would have been washed away and they would have went on with their merry lives.
He did win, so they had to keep going deeper. They kept digging and searching in hopes they could find something, or make it appear as if there was something, to delegitimize Trump before he could delegitimize them.
hollohas
02-02-2018, 16:14
Whatever...this is far worse than Watergate. This isn't even in the same league as Watergate. Not to mention when it came to light people went to jail. This shows corruption at the highest levels of the DoJ and FBI and a pattern of deceit and lying by the same. This is the weaponization of the FBI and DoJ by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, and the willingness of Comey and others to play along. Furthermore, they're all complicit in an ongoing coverup and continued lies about their involvement. Look at what Comey said just today after the release of the memo, FFS. This has also ruined lives that otherwise wouldn't have been ruined.
Heads need to roll over this. There needs to be another special counsel appointed and people need to start going to jail...starting with Comey and Clinton.
I'm just amazed that so many are trying to minimize the seriousness of this.^Exactly.
BushMasterBoy
02-02-2018, 16:25
The primary function of the president is to formulate foreign policy. If he wants to discuss his policy with the Russians, North Koreans, etc. it is his prerogative. The rest of them need to get back to real work.
Whatever...this is far worse than Watergate. This isn't even in the same league as Watergate. Not to mention when it came to light people went to jail. This shows corruption at the highest levels of the DoJ and FBI and a pattern of deceit and lying by the same. This is the weaponization of the FBI and DoJ by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, and the willingness of Comey and others to play along. Furthermore, they're all complicit in an ongoing coverup and continued lies about their involvement. Look at what Comey said just today after the release of the memo, FFS. This has also ruined lives that otherwise wouldn't have been ruined.
Heads need to roll over this. There needs to be another special counsel appointed and people need to start going to jail...starting with Comey and Clinton.
I'm just amazed that so many are trying to minimize the seriousness of this.
^Exactly.
Double + good post BG.
https://m.imgur.com/a/JbCxw#1dJpNzM
Trump wasn't supposed to win. Hillary was. And if she did, all of this would have been washed away and they would have went on with their merry lives.
He did win, so they had to keep going deeper. They kept digging and searching in hopes they could find something, or make it appear as if there was something, to delegitimize Trump before he could delegitimize them.
After he won all they were doing is poking the bear.
They should have done what so many others with an ounce of sense did, and resign! Duck and cover. Hope Trump & Co have no interest in a retiree who isn't a threat.
Zundfolge
02-02-2018, 17:18
This is worse than Watergate because its the FBI that was crooked in this one ... also the severity of Watergate has always been overblown.
RblDiver
02-02-2018, 17:41
Haven't read it myself, but from some other analysts/pundits, it may not be as big as some people think/want it to be (such as, while the dossier may have played a role in the application, it might not have actually been the trigger).
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/02/revealed-the-memo/
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/02/no-way-memo-discredit-bob-muellers-investigation-says-trey-gowdy/
On the other hand, big Dem/FBI talking points have claimed it would damage national security.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/02/jonathan-turley-happened-dangers-national-security-memo/
The entire Trump RUSSSSIAAAAANNNNNZZZZZ! narrative was based on the Steele Dossier and no other facts/evidence.
The Dossier was created by Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS was paid by Clinton/DNC. Fusion then paid Steele to write the Dossier with his MI-6 credentials (not active at the time). Steele, as a foreign national and not subject to our restrictions on spying on US citizens, claimed the Russians had compromised Trump and had intel on him to include golden showers with hookers at Moscow hotels. (Yes, they took it to that level)
The FBI knew all of this in July 2016.
The Steele Dossier was then used by the FBI to get a FISA warrant to spy on Trump and his campaign. They also used Steele as a source. They didn't disclose any of this information to the FISA court in their application for the warrant. Again they knew the Dossier was bullshit.
The FBI renewed this warrant several times to continue their investigation. Still with the full knowledge all of this was false, likely hoping to catch Trump on something/anything.
At several times key FBI personnel including Comey and McCabe were asked about surveillance of Trump after Trump's tweet about being spied on at Trump Tower. They denied it. Under oath.
There are multiple examples of conflicts of interest. Bruce Ohr's wife worked for Fusion GPS while Ohr worked on the FISA warrant request. Peter Strzok and his mistress Lisa Page texting about the need to construct an "insurance policy." Strzok was also instrumental in clearing Clinton in 2016. Multiple text messages lost/deleted. Allegedly recovered but I don't think they've been released.
The FISA aspect of this meant, even with knowledge of the warrant, no one could disclose. Even Sessions had to stay out. Up until the Nunes memo's release, there were cries of damaging national security to keep this conspiracy secret. The media has been able to lie to people's faces about Trump and RUSSSSSIAAAANZZZZZ! knowing Trump could not defend himself without releasing classified info--something he very publicly accused Clinton of doing in the 2016 campaign.
This conspiracy has voided the credibility of the FBI or anyone at DoJ to hold the President accountable. They have been outed as political hacks who helped aid in this attempted coup with the DNC and their media. Trump could have committed multiple Logan Act violations, there is no way to continue a legitimate investigation let alone impeach, indict, convict.
Trump could be indicted for obstruction of justice for asking Comey to go easy on Flynn but now that the entire investigation is a sham, how could that possibly move forward? People are even wondering about Flynn's guilty plea.
This is a good synopsis of the events as far as I understand them. I suggest watching the video commentary by ex federal prosecutor Joe diGenovea, linked by davsel in post #26. It makes the case that FBI/DOJ that this was a criminal conspiracy, a soft coup attempt to takeover the presidency. I think the foundation for Mueller's investigation is trashed and the only way he can save his reputation is by quickly closing the Russia collusion farce. But this is a war over money and ideology and the bad actors are not going to go peacefully, Mueller included I think.
https://youtu.be/aa95jLxZfc4
Will nothing come of this as foxtrot suggests? I agree with Bailey Guns that the exposure of corruption of the DOJ/FBI officials in collusion with the DNC/Hillary campaign is huge and demands cleaning house with prosecution of the schemers. But those conspirators in conjunction with the corrupt leftist media will continue to control the message for the vast majority of Americans who resist the complicated issues, are tired of the contention and don't care anymore because they want it all to be over.
The Democrats don't want it to be over no matter the poor optics as long as they kill Trump. They were dong fine swimming in the Ryan-McConnell swamp. The Republicans can't afford to abandon their base which increasingly belongs to Trump because the bloodletting is far from over.
Bailey Guns
02-02-2018, 18:44
Watergate resulted in the resignation of Nixon. (ETA: It also personally involved Nixon)
This results in nothing. I don't minimize it... I live in reality.
Your quote is the position of most conservatives.
Meanwhile, the position of many liberals is this is all an invented conspiracy, Trump has a russian love child and is Putin's gay misteress.
This "memo" isn't a smoking gun.
It's written by a GOP rep for starters. This is a convoluted turd-pile that the average self entitled American can't even begin to follow, much less the unemployed x-box playing, SNAP trading voter.
If you wanted a smoking gun, you need to have concise, A-B scenario free of complication or dirivative bullshit. A short, one page, well- evidenced report by a non-affiliated individual, Hillary pays judge, judge orders warrant to wiretap Trump tower. THAT is literally what it takes.
What you have here are people associated with campaign a, paying for a private investigation against campaign b, later, an agency using that report for their own investigation, authorizing surveillance of a member of the opposing campaign (not of trump himself) over a trip to a foreign nation that he took.
It's not a clean gun. So you guys keep chest bumping yourselves and high fiving like other good conservatives, but read my lips: No fallout of any consequence.
Meanwhile, Liberals have cast this semi-successfully as a conspiracy to subvert the Mueller probe. So, in the mind of a liberal or many "independents" this just reinforces their belief of the sheer opposite. This gained us exactly... nothing. Zip diddly doo dah jack shit.
ETA) And as far as I can tell, this reflects badly on a select few in the FBI, individuals of no consequence. But unless you can link this directly to the DNC / hillary, it doesn't accomplish anything. And they failed at that. Yeah - DNC/Hillbilly paid for the private investigation, but they didn't pay the FBI. Sorry boys, you pulled out an unloaded gun.
Coming from the person constantly railing against the justice system I find it ironic you're not concerned about this. And BTW...it's not over yet. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm gonna make a note of this:
It's not a clean gun. So you guys keep chest bumping yourselves and high fiving like other good conservatives, but read my lips:[U][I] No fallout of any consequence.
and bring it up later when certain people get indicted and/or convicted. Sounds to me like you're the only one doing the chest thumping...or at least the loudest.
This is nothing less than an attempted (albeit peaceful) coup. Nothing even resembling this has ever happened in the history of the US. If you think this is just the DNC paying for a false report you obviously don't understand what's going on. Not sure which of the categories of person you mentioned you fall into...I'll leave that for you to decide.
The FBI Director and an Assistant Atty General used the Fusion GPS dossier to apply for a surveillance warrant against a US citizen. They LIED to a federal judge...4 times. "Individuals of no consequence"??? An FBI director and an Asst FBI director and one or two others at the very top...like Bruce Ohr (the number 4, I think).
I'd say the bigger problem is people who think this is no big deal.
I think it's even more than four times.
Bailey Guns
02-02-2018, 18:47
Oh...and BTW again. The media worked against Nixon and was complicit with democrats during Watergate just like they're complicit with democrats now. Are you really shocked they're not making a big deal out of this and trying to minimize the damage at every turn? I'm not. I fully expect them to continue to ignore this just like they have for the last year.
And keep this in mind. If Clinton had been elected this corruption would've never seen the light of day.
hollohas
02-02-2018, 21:07
Sounds like this was the warm up memo. More to come.
Sounds like this was the warm up memo. More to come.
That's what I'm thinking too.
BPTactical
02-03-2018, 07:03
Wake me when charges are levied, perps are walked and orange jumpsuits become the official garb of the Democratic party.
Until then it's kabuki theater.
Bailey Guns
02-03-2018, 07:11
Foxtrot, you can't compare the outcome of Watergate 40+ years down the road with a scandal that's just breaking. I guess you can but it's nothing more than your uninformed speculation since you don't yet know how deep this goes or who's involved or what consequences may or many not come of it.
Furthermore, comparing this to Watergate, in my opinion, is like comparing a trip to the corner store to sending a man to the moon. They're that far apart.
Aside from all that, I agree with Nunes...the American people deserve to know about this level of corruption at the top levels of the very agencies that are supposed to protect them from this sort of thing. And I get it...you're extremely cynical when it comes to "the system". But I have a little experience within that system, too. It's hardly your exclusive realm. I've applied for warrants in front of judges. Sometimes at their homes in the middle of the night. I've interrupted one judge during his super bowl party to get a warrant signed. Sometimes they were very attentive to what's being asked and sometimes they just assumed that I was doing my job in an honest, professional manner. Frankly, if the FBI Director approached me with a warrant application and I was a judge I would most likely assume he'd done his job. That's why these people are in the position they are. It's not like Comey or Sally Yates carried the entire case file into the court when applying for the warrants. There's only so much a judge can vet.
So, no...I don't yet know what's going to happen. But in a sense, that doesn't matter nearly as much as knowing the truth. At least once the truth is exposed there's a chance something will come of it. If it's never exposed there's no chance. I'll go with the truth. You believe whatever you want.
Great-Kazoo
02-03-2018, 09:12
Let me ask you this - the Snowden leaks - did anything come of that?
I believe it played a part getting Hillarys doings exposed.
I also agree with BG, there has been an attempted coup of this administration from day 1. It's death by 1000 cuts from the left. There hasn't been a day something about Trump wasn't in the media.
The D party, both it's covert and overt operatives have been at it non-stop. The same party and justice system who have continually (Under the guise of anonymous sources) "leaked" what ever Mueller and other sources have been doing. Are now CONCERNED about national security and other things being made public?
Over the course of 33 years, 33942 FISA warrants have been applied for, exactly 12 have failed to be approved. .03 percent. This does not indicate a high level of scrutiny.
ATA: Through 2013. No reason to believe that anything has changed.
GilpinGuy
02-03-2018, 09:56
Give it a week and see what happens. I agree with the others who say "nothing". Not that something "shouldn't " be done, it should. Heads should roll. But I don't think they will.
We live in a country with a corrupt government and a corrupt judicial system - on both sides of the isle. They bash each other on the talking head shows then have cocktails together afterwards.
"Wardrobe Malfunction at Halftime Show!". Headlines like that will dominate for the next week, not this.
CoGirl303
02-03-2018, 10:20
Foxtrot, you can't compare the outcome of Watergate 40+ years down the road with a scandal that's just breaking. I guess you can but it's nothing more than your uninformed speculation since you don't yet know how deep this goes or who's involved or what consequences may or many not come of it.
Furthermore, comparing this to Watergate, in my opinion, is like comparing a trip to the corner store to sending a man to the moon. They're that far apart.
Aside from all that, I agree with Nunes...the American people deserve to know about this level of corruption at the top levels of the very agencies that are supposed to protect them from this sort of thing. And I get it...you're extremely cynical when it comes to "the system". But I have a little experience within that system, too. It's hardly your exclusive realm. I've applied for warrants in front of judges. Sometimes at their homes in the middle of the night. I've interrupted one judge during his super bowl party to get a warrant signed. Sometimes they were very attentive to what's being asked and sometimes they just assumed that I was doing my job in an honest, professional manner. Frankly, if the FBI Director approached me with a warrant application and I was a judge I would most likely assume he'd done his job. That's why these people are in the position they are. It's not like Comey or Sally Yates carried the entire case file into the court when applying for the warrants. There's only so much a judge can vet.
So, no...I don't yet know what's going to happen. But in a sense, that doesn't matter nearly as much as knowing the truth. At least once the truth is exposed there's a chance something will come of it. If it's never exposed there's no chance. I'll go with the truth. You believe whatever you want.
maybe Judges should stop assuming and do their damn jobs that there were appointed or elected to do. That's a critical breakdown in the system and there should be accountability for those that just signoff without reviewing and researching anything first to see if there is in fact credible circumstances to sign off on a warrant or not.
Boohoo a Judges Super Bowl party gets interrupted. If he doesn't want that responsibility, he shouldn't have became a Judge then.
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CoGirl303
02-03-2018, 10:37
Maybe we shouldn't be using the judicial system of the late middle ages - the most historically ineffective and "unjust" one. People doing or not doing their jobs isn't the problem. No judge is going to seriously vet anything (with rare specific exceptions) - because of the sheer amount of crap they have to do and to deal with, to vet would require them to work 160 hour weeks and divorce their families. They all primarily trust the people. FISA is no different, and as shown, there are virtually no denials of warrants. The judges have obligations to vet, but it isn't ever practical to do so.
Where is the flaw? The underlying system that used technically ineffective checks and balances coupled with ineffective measures. AKA the founding fathers screwed the pooch when it came to the judicial side of the country. (and they forgot to create the 4th necessary branch, the janitorial, but that's a topic for another day). They should have been forward thinking, and adopted some aspects of the earlier Renaissance systems while creating something "truly" new. Instead, they just brought the screwed up, late British system over and branded it as American.
with todays technology, Lexis Nexis and other online legal research options, it really shouldn't take that long.
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Bailey Guns
02-03-2018, 11:14
Again, I disagree. Not that I don't think there are flaws in our system. But the real problem with our system is some of the people in the system. That's exactly what went wrong in this case...bad people, not a bad system. And finding out about them is a good thing no matter how you slice it.
Yup it's early. Remember...
Sessions recused himself of all this to avoid the perception of a conflict. We all know what The Conspiracy would say if Sessions cleared Trump--he stayed out. So the only law enforcement presence has been corrupt partisan hacks violating the law to get Trump. If the DoJ gets involved in this from the top down who knows what they will find.
The memo strips FISA protections from the compromised investigators. Notice the trend that damning (fake) evidence was leaked to media as the investigation was ongoing but the exculpatory evidence was withheld due to FISA? Now it's out. We now know Christopher Steele's motivation (Lib bias) was documented by FBI and he was fired. We now know his dossier was line item #1 in the warrant app. We also know the FBI used a Yahoo News story, written by a Fusion GPS employee, to corroborate the dossier. What else will be learned now that the investigators can't hide behind national security? These facts have been hidden from the public for 14 months while they worked an investigation they knew was predicated on lies the whole time!
I'm also reading scuttlebutt that the FBI's 702 forms were falsified calling much more than just the initial warrant into question (i.e. this is how they "got" Gen. Flynn). I still don't know what to think about Flynn because he took the deal, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.
We also know Clinton/DNC hired Fusion GPS connecting this firmly to the Dims. But look at the other dots that are being connected...
Obama’s Campaign Paid $972,000 To Law Firm That Secretly Paid Fusion GPS In 2016
http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/29/obamas-campaign-gave-972000-law-firm-funneled-money-fusion-gps/
It's looking like DNC/Obama/Clinton built a public/private partnership coup using Fusion GPS, FBI, NSA, and foreign intelligence agencies/resources. At first to keep Trump from being elected (election interference) but then continued after the election and into the presidency. This is a shadow government! This isn't five political hacks breaking into a hotel during an election. This is a covert effort to undermine the Executive Branch and a duly elected President with a broad conspiracy.
Are we kidding ourselves that this isn't worse than Watergate? Respectable commentators are throwing around the words sedition and treason. We are witnessing the Dims burning down the country because they lost an election!
Let's pretend the swamp does nothing about this. Where does that leave the country? Are these the new rules of engagement? Because Republicans can raise a lot of money. If we could have simply written a check to rid ourselves of Obama we would have done it! I'd be happy contribute funds for a dossier about Hickenlooper, Bennet, DeGette, Polis, Perlmutter, or the next big Dim president to get them thrown out of office if this stands. What's to stop it?
CoGirl303
02-03-2018, 13:36
Sounds like this was the warm up memo. More to come.
looks that way
http://cnn.it/2GKFkXq
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Bailey Guns
02-03-2018, 14:09
It's looking like DNC/Obama/Clinton built a public/private partnership coup using Fusion GPS, FBI, NSA, and foreign intelligence agencies/resources. At first to keep Trump from being elected (election interference) but then continued after the election and into the presidency. This is a shadow government! This isn't five political hacks breaking into a hotel during an election. This is a covert effort to undermine the Executive Branch and a duly elected President with a broad conspiracy.
Are we kidding ourselves that this isn't worse than Watergate? Respectable commentators are throwing around the words sedition and treason. We are witnessing the Dims burning down the country because they lost an election!
That's exactly right. Watergate was playground stuff compared to this. I'm baffled that people don't see that. And, yes, Watergate resulted in the resignation of a president and almost 50 people either pleading, or being found, guilty of various crimes. This is worse if for no other reason than the implications it has for the survival of our very own system of government.
Bailey Guns
02-03-2018, 14:19
What's refreshing is how top GOP senators and representatives are now flat-out calling democrats liars. They've lied and obstructed this entire thing since it began.
Apparently hillbilly learned a few things from working on Watergate.
That's exactly right. Watergate was playground stuff compared to this. I'm baffled that people don't see that. And, yes, Watergate resulted in the resignation of a president and almost 50 people either pleading, or being found, guilty of various crimes. This is worse if for no other reason than the implications it has for the survival of our very own system of government.
I'm baffled too.
The bold is what I keep wondering which is why I asked a couple pages ago what the endgame here was. I get that PantSuit was supposed to win but they've carried this to an irresponsible level after her loss. They easily could have covered up their behavior before Nov 2016 but now it's impossible.
There really must be more at stake for them then one presidential election/term.
They aren't going to be petty tyrants after burning down the kingdom. They can't call it a "democracy" when they've turned to Fascism (ironic given AntiFa) to overthrow an election.
Already calls for violence because they are losing control...
WATCH: Radical MSNBC Guest Says ‘People Need To Start Taking To The Streets’ For A 'Revolution'
https://www.dailywire.com/news/26708/watch-msnbc-so-concerned-about-american-democracy-ryan-saavedra
The same people calling for violence are the ones who have been pushing gun control.
Bailey Guns
02-03-2018, 16:00
The statements made by the people in that video are those of people that are literally insane. You put the evidence right in front of their faces and they're still clinging to the "Trump is a dictator" narrative when he had nothing to do with this. It's just mind-boggling the way they're twisting this.
It's just mind-boggling the way they're twisting this.
Yet still expected.
Bailey Guns
02-03-2018, 16:25
Yeah...of course.
I can't figure out the mentality of someone who calls for revolution on a major media network (from the MSNBC link above) and says Trump is a dictator. OK, right. Trump is a dictator. That's why you're on TV right now calling him all sorts of bad names, free to say anything you want without any fear (rational, warranted fear anyway) that you'll disappear in the middle of the night. Because Trump is a dictator.
These are the same people who are constantly saying to the rest of us, "Wake up! Think about what's happening. It's fascism, it's a dictatorship." Well, I am awake, and I think you're an unhinged, progressive lunatic.
Great-Kazoo
02-03-2018, 16:47
These are the same people who[/B] kept saying gun owners were paranoid to think they would need guns to protect them self from a tyrannical government .
FIFY
It's important to be able to emotionally detach ones self from a discussion or situation to see the best picture. I'd say that human nature makes that very difficult for most of us.
I'm baffled too.
The bold is what I keep wondering which is why I asked a couple pages ago what the endgame here was. I get that PantSuit was supposed to win but they've carried this to an irresponsible level after her loss. They easily could have covered up their behavior before Nov 2016 but now it's impossible.
There really must be more at stake for them then one presidential election/term.
They aren't going to be petty tyrants after burning down the kingdom. They can't call it a "democracy" when they've turned to Fascism (ironic given AntiFa) to overthrow an election.
Already calls for violence because they are losing control...
WATCH: Radical MSNBC Guest Says ‘People Need To Start Taking To The Streets’ For A 'Revolution'
https://www.dailywire.com/news/26708/watch-msnbc-so-concerned-about-american-democracy-ryan-saavedra
The same people calling for violence are the ones who have been pushing gun control.
It would be ironic if the Beta Male, LGBQT Crowd, Skinny Jean Wearing, Soy Latte Sipping, ANTIFA, Communist/Socialist-Lite, BLM, Musliod, “Dreamer”, MS-13, Narco Cartel, Blueblood Leftists, all openly got under the same banner and brought it in the form of a violent Coup.
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It's important to be able to emotionally detach ones self from a discussion or situation to see the best picture. I'd say that human nature makes that very difficult for most of us.
It's not even emotion anymore, it's a difference of fundamental facts.
On one side: Trump is Hitler! He's a racist, sexist, dictator ruining the country. He's impeding an investigation into his own corruption. He's trying to start an nuclear war.
On the other side: Nunes memo, #FakeNews, Obama/Clinton/DNC funding a completely fictitious dossier with good financial reports, tax cuts, and even an improvement in foreign issues/relations. The tolerance of this investigation for 14+ months by people clearly out to get him (like Bailey said) contradicting all cries of a dictatorship.
These two realities can no longer coexist. Go to CNN.com and Foxnews.com right now if you don't believe me.
One can try and be a "moderate" and say the truth is somewhere in between but then he has to accept that Trump is a little bit of a Russian controlled dictator and there's a little bit of a Fascist Deep State out to get him. Sounds a bit like just the tip to me on either of those. No one should tolerate a dictator president or a Deep State overturning elections.
It would be ironic if the Beta Male, LGBQT Crowd, Skinny Jean Wearing, Soy Latte Sipping, ANTIFA, Communist/Socialist-Lite, BLM, Musliod, “Dreamer”, MS-13, Narco Cartel, Blueblood Leftists, all openly got under the same banner and brought it in the form of a violent Coup.
In my mind it's far worse than that and I've given this a fair amount of thought. You know that saying about people so stupid they don't know how stupid they are? Something like that. I see the Left starting a fire over this they can't put out. There's more here than just Clinton losing the election.
Conservatives assume NG/mil would go a certain way. They assume LE in all areas is like ours (good decent people we are blessed with here). They assume that there aren't any very interested external parties in American strife/separation. I wouldn't make any of those assumptions.
California has the GDP of an EU nation. They have strong ties to China and Mexico. They actually just passed a law criminalizing participation of immigration enforcement with Fed LE. Is there any doubt these people think they live in a different country?
It's not even emotion anymore, it's a difference of fundamental facts.
On one side: Trump is Hitler! He's a racist, sexist, dictator ruining the country. He's impeding an investigation into his own corruption. He's trying to start an nuclear war.
On the other side: Nunes memo, #FakeNews, Obama/Clinton/DNC funding a completely fictitious dossier with good financial reports, tax cuts, and even an improvement in foreign issues/relations. The tolerance of this investigation for 14+ months by people clearly out to get him (like Bailey said) contradicting all cries of a dictatorship.
These two realities can no longer coexist. Go to CNN.com and Foxnews.com right now if you don't believe me.
One can try and be a "moderate" and say the truth is somewhere in between but then he has to accept that Trump is a little bit of a Russian controlled dictator and there's a little bit of a Fascist Deep State out to get him. Sounds a bit like just the tip to me on either of those. No one should tolerate a dictator president or a Deep State overturning elections.
I wasn't talking about trying to take a middle ground, I meant simply removing oneself from what they want to be true, to find out what is actually true. If someone hates Trump so much that they think he pulled strings to create this fake report or something, then of course actual facts contrary to that position won't matter, because they can't even see them.
It would be ironic if the Beta Male, LGBQT Crowd, Skinny Jean Wearing, Soy Latte Sipping, ANTIFA, Communist/Socialist-Lite, BLM, Musliod, “Dreamer”, MS-13, Narco Cartel, Blueblood Leftists, all openly got under the same banner and brought it in the form of a violent Coup.
I don't understand this post. It looks to me like you just made a list of people that you don't think you are and said, "What if they all teamed up?" What about it?
with todays technology, Lexis Nexis and other online legal research options, it really shouldn't take that long.
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You're kidding, right? Lexis Nexis isn't the end-all, be-all. Databases aren't ironclad, and are only as dependable as the clerks that input the information. You have to cross-reference your data between a minimum of two databases, and THEN start at the courts where the cases began, and get the information. It's not like TV, where a few keystrokes on the magical database spits out the exact information you need to know. You need to find the ifnomration and then analyze it, and that takes time. That's why judges depend on the integrity of the people requesting warrants.
You're kidding, right? Lexis Nexis isn't the end-all, be-all. Databases aren't ironclad, and are only as dependable as the clerks that input the information. You have to cross-reference your data between a minimum of two databases, and THEN start at the courts where the cases began, and get the information. It's not like TV, where a few keystrokes on the magical database spits out the exact information you need to know. You need to find the ifnomration and then analyze it, and that takes time.
Sounds a lot like what detectives do to me.
Sounds a lot like what detectives do to me.
They have a role in the legal system, it's true.
JohnnyDrama
02-03-2018, 20:44
The statements made by the people in that video are those of people that are literally insane. You put the evidence right in front of their faces and they're still clinging to the "Trump is a dictator" narrative when he had nothing to do with this. It's just mind-boggling the way they're twisting this.
Yet still expected.
I admit, I don't tune into much news. It seems like the more I hear, the dumber I get. Most of what I hear comes from 20 second breaks on the radio, interweb headlines, and what I read here. It seems to me that the MSM has doubled down on stupid though.
JohnnyDrama
02-03-2018, 20:55
Give it a week and see what happens. I agree with the others who say "nothing". Not that something "shouldn't " be done, it should. Heads should roll. But I don't think they will.
We live in a country with a corrupt government and a corrupt judicial system - on both sides of the isle. They bash each other on the talking head shows then have cocktails together afterwards.
"Wardrobe Malfunction at Halftime Show!". Headlines like that will dominate for the next week, not this.
I'm with you on most of that. I think though, at this point, the talking heads gather 'round their respective KoolAid bowls instead.
It's important to be able to emotionally detach ones self from a discussion or situation to see the best picture. I'd say that human nature makes that very difficult for most of us.
Agreed.
I wasn't talking about trying to take a middle ground, I meant simply removing oneself from what they want to be true, to find out what is actually true. If someone hates Trump so much that they think he pulled strings to create this fake report or something, then of course actual facts contrary to that position won't matter, because they can't even see them.
Yes!
I wasn't saying you are trying to take a middle ground. I was saying, to your point, strip away emotion and look at the facts. A person isn't left with anything in the middle to not care.
I guess people can ignore the facts, but like I said, this is front page news. Just that the news is different depending on where you go.
Aloha_Shooter
02-04-2018, 12:07
Eh, to be honest I don't hardly care. I knew it was overblown before the release. Worse than watergate? Eh, no, not even. [LOL]
I'll disagree. Watergate was what was overblown as a "crisis". CREEP did nothing more than what the Democrats going back to JFK (and probably back to FDR but it's been documented back to JFK) had been doing when it came to bugging the other party's offices and their operation was intended to get political intelligence they could use for the campaign. One reason Nixon reacted the way he did was that he thought it was common knowledge that kind of activity had been going on and therefore underestimated the reaction and spin.
This effort got official wiretap authorizations knowingly based on fraudulent evidence that seemed to have been designed to find some way to bring criminal charges against members of the administration or campaign who wouldn't otherwise have been looked at. They even knowingly leaked dossier information they knew to be false so they could cite the "independent" press reports as corroboration for their FISA requests. This case IMO is much more serious undermining of Constitutional rights and misuse of official powers. The wiretaps they generated from this were the basis for the perjury traps they laid in for Michael Flynn.
The burden of proof for the govt. to investigate its citizens via FISA should be huge. Americans don't trust their government, and information like this certainly reaffirms that distrust.
Bailey Guns
02-04-2018, 14:58
Actually, from what I've read getting a FISA warrant for surveillance on a US citizen is a very complicated process with a lot of oversight. That's one reason this is such a big deal. Once Trump was elected it became a bigger deal because the number of lies and misinformation fed to the court had to increase to cover their tracks.
The other possibility is the FISA judge was in on it. I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that's not the case.
DavieD55
02-05-2018, 00:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU
http://i66.tinypic.com/2lo5bbr.jpg
Zundfolge
02-05-2018, 12:25
Molyneux's video on the memo is long and pretty exhaustive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sToAWZCO_8
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/02/05/biased-fbi-and-doj-officials-broke-the-law-and-tried-to-decide-the-election-an-annotated-timeline/#257527a57f34
Here's an excellent (but long) timeline from Forbes, breaking down the entire thing:
Biased FBI and DOJ Officials Broke The Law And Tried To Decide The Election - an Annotated Timeline
Thomas Del Beccaro , CONTRIBUTOR Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
There can be no question, at this point, that certain higher ups in the FBI and the DOJ did not want Hillary to be indicted and did not want Donald Trump to become President. Those efforts were not entirely independent of each other.
Below is a timeline of events – abbreviated though it is – that makes it rather plain that the FBI and DOJ were not investigating potential crimes objectively.
Indeed, they were committing crimes during the process in aid of their preferred outcomes.
1. 2007. Hillary Clinton wanted to be President. Hillary’s ambitions to be president started long ago. She ran for President in the 2008 cycle. In 2009, after losing to Obama, Hillary became Obama’s Secretary of State. She stayed in that post until 2013.
2. March 2015. The Hillary email scandal breaks. Hillary was using an unapproved/unsecured server and devices to communicate. She was using a private email account. Classified information was being sent through that email, server and devices – including when Hillary was abroad.
All of that is illegal. As 2015 unfolds, it becomes clear to the FBI and the DOJ that President Barack Obama was communicating with Hillary using her non-state department email. Obama was using an email and a name that masked who he was.
That had to be known to authorities long before March of 2015 given that it occurred prior to 2013.
As Andrew McCarthy points out in his recent article, there was no chance that the DOJ was going to indict Hillary because that would have required implicating President Obama. That was never going to happen. From thereafter, DOJ officials acted with that understanding, however illegal, in mind.
3. June 2015. Donald Trump announces his Presidential run.
4. March 2016. Trump has enough delegates to claim the nomination.
5. April 10, 2016. Obama makes clear he does not want Hillary indicted. Obama, on TV, indicates Hillary did not intend to harm national security. However, intent is not an element of the crime she committed. At the time of that statement – made by a sitting President and in plain view of the Nation and more importantly his FBI/DOJ appointments - many witnesses had yet to be interviewed, including Hillary.
6. April 2016. Hillary campaign and DNC begin funding infamous Trump dossier. To conceal payments for the dossier, Hillary’s campaign gives money to attorneys who then pay for the dossier – a clear campaign law violation. If that campaign payment had been properly disclosed, the payment for the dossier, and likely the dossier, would have been exposed in the summer of 2016. That disclosure likely would have hurt Hillary’s campaign.
7. May 2, 2016. Ted Cruz drops out of Presidential race. Cruz’ departure confirms Trump will be the Republican nominee.
8. May 2016. Peter Strzok and Lisa Page make it clear they need to end the Hillary Investigation.
Peter Strzok is the FBI agent in charge of the Hillary investigation, which is dubbed Mid-Year Exam. He is having an affair with FBI lawyer Lisa Page. In a text exchange, Page informs Strzok that Cruz dropped out. Strzok responds:
“What?!?!?!?!” Strzok later states:
“Now the pressure really starts to finish the MYE.”
That is evidence of and the motive for much to come.
9. May 2016. FBI draft memo about Hillary started. Long before Hillary and other key witnesses are interviewed, James Comey starts drafting a memo with respect to the proposed conclusion of the Hillary investigation.
The original memo stated: "There is evidence to support a conclusion that Secretary Clinton, and others, used the email server in a manner that was grossly negligent with respect to the handling of classified information."
The grossly negligent language is sufficient to charge Hillary with a crime.
10. May 2016. Hillary staffers Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin mislead the FBI on what they know about Hillary’s email practices. In fact, they knew of the use long before the timeframe they gave the FBI. They are never charged with lying to the FBI.
Eventually, five Clinton associates, including Mills, are granted immunity and, incredibly, evidence is destroyed by the FBI as part of the immunity deals. There is never a good reason for a law enforcement agency to destroy evidence during an investigation.
11. June 20, 2016. Peter Strzok, who was opposed to Trump becoming president, as his texts reveal, changes the “grossly negligent” language in the Comey memo to “extremely careless.” The change all but ensures Hillary will not be charged with a crime.
12. June 27, 2016. Bill Clinton meets Loretta Lynch on the tarmac. They claim they were talking about grandchildren. When information related to the meeting is leaked, the FBI goes on a desperate search to determine who leaked the information. There is no corresponding urgent effort to expose the content of the very inappropriate meeting between the former president/husband of a target who just happened to appoint Lynch to office years ago.
13. July 1, 2016. It is announced that Attorney General Loretta Lynch will accept FBI “determination and findings” as to the Hillary investigation – an abrogation of her duties not authorized by law. Strzok paramour Lisa Page then sarcastically texts to Strzok that: “It’s a real profile in courage, since she knows no charges will be brought.”
Obviously, the determination to not charge Hillary had already been made, even though . . .
14. July 2, 2016. Hillary interviewed by the FBI. Hillary is finally interviewed by the FBI but she is not put under oath and there is no transcript (thereby making it all but impossible to charge her with lying to the FBI). She is interviewed for just over 3 hours – that is an hour less than Angelina Jolie was interviewed about Brad Pitt’s treatment of her children on a plane.
Hillary is allowed to have Cheryl Mills (a witness to the email crimes) in the room during the interview to act as Clinton’s attorney. Mills, of course, had been granted immunity by then.
15. July 5, 2016. Comey goes on TV, lays out case against Hillary, claims no intent therefore no prosecution. Comey’s presentation makes clear Hillary skirted the law but Comey applies Obama’s nationally announced, non-existent, “intent” standard and states no prosecutor would indict her. Of course, it is legally not the job of the FBI director to decide who gets prosecuted. To the contrary, their job is fact finding and to report to the DOJ. Comey never should have gone on TV to announce anything.
16. Summer of 2016. FBI official Andrew McCabe is aware of more Clinton emails/Delays review of them. Hillary Clinton emails are recovered from Anthony Weiner’s laptop. Weiner is the husband of close Clinton staffer Huma Abedin. To have the emails residing on Weiner’s laptop is a clear violation of law. Huma Abedin is never prosecuted for the violation nor is Weiner let alone Hillary.
FBI official Andrew McCabe, whose wife benefitted from campaign help (some say the arrangement netted over $700,000 for her campaign) from Clinton Ally Terry McAuliffe, delays review of the new discovered emails into the Fall.
17. July 2016. Carter Page goes to Moscow. Carter Page is a tangential, volunteer Trump campaign advisor with long-time ties to Russia. Carter Page had been under surveillance in 2013 (not clear for how long ) by the FBI. Such surveillance must be based on a claim that Carter could be an agent for a foreign government. Cater Page clearly is a Russian sympathizer with a desire to continue doing business in Russia. The Trump campaign is aware of his Russian trip but not that he had been under surveillance.
** Now, as the campaigns head to the Fall, the focus changes away from the exonerated Hillary to Donald Trump’s campaign.
18. Summer of 2016. Comey’s first attempt to get FISA Warrant against Trump campaign official is denied. Comey sought a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page – again, under the theory that he could be an agent of a foreign government.
19. Late July 2016. FBI starts “counter intelligence” investigation based on drunk statement by George Papdopoulos that Russia has dirt on Hillary Clinton. Papdopoulos is another tangential, volunteer, Trump campaign advisor.
Given Hillary’s unprotected use of email servers and blackberrys, including on foreign soil, it can be no surprise Russia could have such information. There is no factual connection between Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.
20. September of 2016. Carter Page leaves Trump campaign. Press stories allege contacts between Page and Russian officials resulting in pressure for Page to leave the campaign – so he leaves.
21. September/October 2016. DOJ Official Bruce Ohr’s wife goes to work for Fusion GPS (the firm that was the conduit between the Hillary Campaign and dossier author ex-British spy Christopher Steele). Ohr later funnels information from his wife to the FBI.
22. October of 2016. Second Comey FISA request relying on the Steele Dossier – FISA Warrant Issued to spy on Carter Page. Andrew McCabe, in time, makes it clear that without the dossier, there would have been no FISA warrant.
The dossier has never been verified – to this day. Comey told Trump in January of 2017 that the dossier was “unverified.”
Yet, Comey represented to the FISA Court that the dossier was credible – in part, by citing a Yahoo news story on the matter. However, Comey knew that that story was planted by the dossier author Christopher Steele. In other words, it was not an independent verification of the dossier.
All in all, Comey swore under oath that the Court should consider the dossier credible evidence so that the FBI could spy on Trump campaign official Carter Page – even though Page had already left the campaign. Given that it was known that Page already left the campaign, it could well be that Carter Page was the fall guy excuse to begin domestic spying on others.
Without question, Comey misled the FISA Court by submitting and vouching for the unverified dossier and pushing the Yahoo News story. Those were not the only questionable acts, misrepresentations nor omissions of Comey.
The FBI and DOJ, at the time they made the original FISA application, also were aware of the following - ALL OF WHICH WAS HIDDEN FROM THE FISA COURT:
a) Hillary’s campaign and the DNC paid for the dossier - a fact which, if known, would give rise to judicial questions of potential evidentiary bias.
b) Christopher Steele tells a DOJ official Bruce Ohr that Steele was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president." Another fact that, if known, would give rise to judicial questions of potential evidentiary bias.
c) The FBI was willing to pay Christopher Steele for more research but rescinded its offer when the FBI found out Steele had briefed reporters on the content of his dossier – a violation of FBI rules. Any Judge or jury would want to know if someone offering evidence otherwise was breaking rules. It bears on whether the witness can be trusted.
d) Carter Page was not considered by the Russians as a credible businessmen and/or figure. Many believe Carter Page was an insignificant player. Again, this raises the question of whether surveillance of him was really an attempt to get at others.
e) A DOJ official’s wife was working for the outfit commissioning the dossier. Another potentially biased individual.
** Keep in mind, by this time, the FBI is aware that the Hillary campaign paid lawyers, to give money to Fusion GPS, who gave money to a foreign agent (Christopher Steele), who got information from Russian informants. Yet, the FBI counter intelligence effort was being run on the Trump campaign not the Clinton campaign.
23. October 2016. Comey announces the reopening of email review and then, before the election, clears Hillary again.
24. November 2016. Trump wins the Presidency.
25. November 2016, Hillary campaign immediately blames Russian interference and that narrative is maintained for months.
26. December of 2016. Obama Administration begins process to relax rules on sharing intelligence about Americans. The rules previously provided that if an American was speaking to a foreigner who was being surveilled, the American’s name would be masked in the intelligence documents. Obama made it easier to share the actual names – which so happened to be Trump transition officials trying to do their job.
27. 90 days renewals. Three times thereafter, the FBI and the DOJ reapplied for a FISA warrant and never apprised the Court of their prior misrepresentations and/or omissions. The existing Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who currently oversees the Mueller investigation, was one of the officials who made a FISA warrant reapplication. It has also been said that Rosenstein, on January 10, threatened House Members with legal proceedings if they continue to push oversight of this matter.
Conclusions:
So what conclusions are to be drawn in all of this?
1. Obviously, the Obama Administration DOJ officials were never going to charge Hillary Clinton with a crime related to the emails. To make that come true, their officials went easy on Hillary (as the Strzok/Page texts expressly suggest should be done). They altered procedure, they granted multiple immunity deals, they allowed for the destruction of evidence, they gave her an easy interview, they delayed the review of documents, they altered the characterization of Hillary’s offense from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” to exonerate her from liability, and more. Their conduct amount to obstruction of justice – a crime.
2. The race between Hillary and Trump pushed the FBI/DOJ to alter the Hillary email investigation timeline for election purposes. They weren’t following the evidence, they were keeping to a deadline. They pushed to end the investigation and to exonerate her so that she would not be burdened with the investigation as the race moved into the Fall.
Yes, it is true that Comey made a terrible (if not illegal) decision to publicly announce reopening the email investigation days before the election. In truth, however, because it would implicate Obama, no charges were ever going to be brought.
3. It is obvious that the FBI/DOJ officials hastened the end of the Hillary email investigation and then immediately began an investigation of Donald Trump. The timing of the July 5, 2016 Comey exoneration speech and the late July counter intelligence investigation related to a tangential Trump advisor should not be viewed as just a coincidence. It was, as Strzok said, an insurance policy against the election of Trump.
4. Does Comey’s original draft and his announcements related to Hillary not demonstrate he was not biased against her? Maybe. The fact that Comey made inconsistent and stupid decisions does not mean the FBI and the DOJ weren’t giving Hillary a free pass. Also, there is no doubt, that Comey stole documents from the FBI and illegally leaked such documents. Those are crimes. Beyond that . . .
5. FBI/DOJ officials knowingly concealed evidence and misled the FISA Court. They, including Comey, knew the law. They are senior law enforcement officials. They knew they had been turned down before and therefore had to bring more to the table.
So what did they bring? The dossier. The unverified dossier. They asserted to the Court, however, that it was credible.
They also omitted information that likely would have resulted in the Court denying the application. It was October of 2016, however, and they wanted information right then and there. After all, it was less than a month before the election.
6. Based on those lies in the FISA applications, all the evidence that was gathered as the fruit of that warrant, unless it can be shown the evidence was clearly not gathered from that warrant, could be ruled inadmissible in any criminal case. Look for Paul Manafort to make that argument.
7. Without the FISA warrant, would there have been an Independent Counsel? We shall never know – but it appears rather unlikely.
8. Mueller. He had to know of the facts above. Why hasn’t he blown the whistle on the bad cops?
9. It is right to say that this episode is the worst abuse of political power in American history related to elections. Watergate is nothing by comparison. That involved people not employed by the government. Later it involved a cover-up in which Nixon participated.
Watergate did not involve the DOJ and the FBI – two institutions which must be non-partisans for this Republic of ours.
This case does involve the FBI and DOJ. It also is foolish not to assume that Loretta Lynch and President Obama were ignorant of the goings on - if not involved in them.
Finally, the dishonest investigation of Hillary who committed actual crimes should not be acceptable. Nor should FBI or DOJ officials be allowed to alter events and Court proceedings for political purposes.
If we let this go, and people are not brought to justice, we will have forever damaged our Republic and the World’s view of us as a nation of laws.
~~~
Tom Del Beccaro is the Author of The Divided Era
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Thanks Grey!
Yes! Thank you!
Bailey Guns
02-06-2018, 07:34
Nice little briefing on the entire situation.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/02/05/biased-fbi-and-doj-officials-broke-the-law-and-tried-to-decide-the-election-an-annotated-timeline/#257527a57f34
Here's an excellent (but long) timeline from Forbes, breaking down the entire thing:
LIKE! Thanks for the link!
The Washington Post has an article just today titled: Hero, or Hired Gun? How the British former spy who wrote the Trump 'dossier' became a flashpoint in the Russia investigation.
Haven't read it, but it sounds fishy to me.
Hero or hired gun? How a British former spy became a flash point in the Russia investigation. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hero-or-hired-gun-how-a-british-former-spy-became-a-flash-point-in-the-russia-investigation/2018/02/06/94ea5158-0795-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html)
From what I understand, it's illegal to use campaign funds to pay a foreign entity. Basically, the Dems are trying to assert that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. As the investigation has moved forward, there's been no proof that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia, but it does appear that Dem campaign funds were used to pay a former British agent for the Trump Dossier.
If you ever want to know what the Dems are doing, just look at what they're accusing the Republicans of doing.
Doesn't using a foreign person add a layer of complexity, and illegality to the whole issue?
Aloha_Shooter
02-07-2018, 20:24
If you ever want to know what the Dems are doing, just look at what they're accusing the Republicans of doing.
That's the funniest thing about Democrat accusations. Some of them are so silly, you wonder where they came up with them until you realize it's because that's the way THEY think and act.
68Charger
02-13-2018, 12:14
Aaaannnnd it's gone...
http://allnewspipeline.com/Missing_Forbes_Article_MSM_Complicity.php
It's still available here:
http://politicalvanguard.com/biased-fbi-and-doj-officials-broke-the-law-and-tried-to-decide-the-election-an-annotated-timeline/
That's the funniest thing about Democrat accusations. Some of them are so silly, you wonder where they came up with them until you realize it's because that's the way THEY think and act.
Yes, Libs are easy to read.
Same thing works with relationships. Watch what the significant other suspects/accuses you of, and you'll often have a good idea what they've been up to.
JohnnyDrama
02-13-2018, 22:31
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/02/05/biased-fbi-and-doj-officials-broke-the-law-and-tried-to-decide-the-election-an-annotated-timeline/#257527a57f34
Here's an excellent (but long) timeline from Forbes, breaking down the entire thing:
Biased FBI and DOJ Officials Broke The Law And Tried To Decide The Election - an Annotated Timeline
Thomas Del Beccaro , CONTRIBUTOR Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
There can be no question, at this point, that certain higher ups in the FBI and the DOJ did not want Hillary to be indicted and did not want Donald Trump to become President. Those efforts were not entirely independent of each other.
Below is a timeline of events – abbreviated though it is – that makes it rather plain that the FBI and DOJ were not investigating potential crimes objectively.
Indeed, they were committing crimes during the process in aid of their preferred outcomes.
1. 2007. Hillary Clinton wanted to be President. Hillary’s ambitions to be president started long ago. She ran for President in the 2008 cycle. In 2009, after losing to Obama, Hillary became Obama’s Secretary of State. She stayed in that post until 2013.
2. March 2015. The Hillary email scandal breaks. Hillary was using an unapproved/unsecured server and devices to communicate. She was using a private email account. Classified information was being sent through that email, server and devices – including when Hillary was abroad.
All of that is illegal. As 2015 unfolds, it becomes clear to the FBI and the DOJ that President Barack Obama was communicating with Hillary using her non-state department email. Obama was using an email and a name that masked who he was.
That had to be known to authorities long before March of 2015 given that it occurred prior to 2013.
As Andrew McCarthy points out in his recent article, there was no chance that the DOJ was going to indict Hillary because that would have required implicating President Obama. That was never going to happen. From thereafter, DOJ officials acted with that understanding, however illegal, in mind.
....
If we let this go, and people are not brought to justice, we will have forever damaged our Republic and the World’s view of us as a nation of laws.
~~~
Tom Del Beccaro is the Author of The Divided Era
I keep coming back to the conclusion that this must be the tip of the iceberg. Mrs. Clinton wanted to be president a long time. Eight years (at least) is a long time to get dirt on people and work them into her pantsuit pocket.
Aloha_Shooter
02-13-2018, 22:59
The thing the press was intentionally missing for the past several years was that Hillary couldn't have been using her private email server without Obama and anyone else sending her email knowing about it. They were trying to bury it precisely because any illegalities she committed or was involved in go back on him too. Oh yeah, and neither one of them has the power to pardon the other now.
I know some of you don't like following this but what happened and what is being uncovered really is extraordinary.
TOP FBI OFFICIAL MET WITH DNC LAWYER ON RUSSIA PRIOR TO 2016 ELECTION
https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/04/fbi-dnc-lawyer-russia-2016-election/
This explains how the FBI got the infamous Steele Dossier which was 100% manufactured by Fusion GPS and passed via Perkins Coie.
That document was the sole justification for the FISA warrant.
BushMasterBoy
10-05-2018, 14:09
I think the Russians did this to embarrass America. They stuck toilet paper on the presidents shoe. Youtube is NOT fake news!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwXcZa3LfYY
Bumping this for yesterday's major news.
Complete collapse of Russia narrative.
Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536
WASHINGTON ? After two years and 200 interviews, the Senate Intelligence Committee is approaching the end of its investigation into the 2016 election, having uncovered no direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to both Democrats and Republicans on the committee.
But investigators disagree along party lines when it comes to the implications of a pattern of contacts they have documented between Trump associates and Russians ? contacts that occurred before, during and after Russian intelligence operatives were seeking to help Donald Trump by leaking hacked Democratic emails and attacking his opponent, Hillary Clinton, on social media.
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The hacked emails were supposed to tie Trump to a DNC hacker. But the emails came from Wikileaks so part of this lie was trying to make it seem like Trump Jr. got an advanced copy of those emails. He didn't.
"Pattern of contacts" seems nebulous. Is this like Obama's Office of the President Elect that also had patterns of contacts?
House Democrats plan vast Russia probe
https://www.axios.com/house-democrats-donald-trump-russia-investigation-05918127-c77a-424d-a805-cde8e67bffe9.html
Mueller is just the beginning. House Democrats plan a vast probe of President Trump and Russia ? with a heavy focus on money laundering ? that will include multiple committees and dramatic public hearings, and could last into 2020.
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interference
collusion
influence
money laundering
Former Trump lawyer John Dowd predicts Mueller's report will never see the light of day
https://www.businessinsider.com/john-dowd-mueller-probe-trump-results-will-not-be-made-public-2019-2
So we've paid for 2+ years of investigation and can't even see the report/facts? I think Mueller knows the soft coup has failed and the report would only hurt the cause.
Our tax dollars at work...
BushMasterBoy
02-13-2019, 13:33
Where is page #14 ? I can't see it!
Where is page #14 ? I can't see it!
You're sitting on it.
BushMasterBoy
02-13-2019, 16:08
So I still have to fly the earth around the sun? I don't get paid enough for this sit!
BladesNBarrels
02-14-2019, 11:34
Our tax dollars at work...
Don't you write a note in the description section of your tax payment check:
"To be used only for Space Exploration"
or some other specific designation?
[Coffee]
Aloha_Shooter
02-14-2019, 15:47
Pattern of contacts? How about Russia paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 45 minute speech from the spousal unit followed some months later by a Russian-owned company getting a lock on a significant portion of America's future production of a rare mineral? Is that a pattern of conduct?
Bailey Guns
02-14-2019, 15:52
Is that a pattern of conduct?
Absolutely not. No way. Stop trying to make this into something it isn't. Why don't you understand Trump = Russians = Evil?
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