CoGirl303
01-23-2018, 22:45
I see a lot of people on social media asking:
What is the need for a bump stock? Why would ANYONE need a bump stock?
Pro's
1.) for fun and entertainment at the range.
2.) because America.
3.) because 2nd Amendment.
4.) because we can.
5.) lays down suppression fire if your position is being overran.
6.) lays down suppression fire on large numbers of people advancing on you.
7.) Can keep aggressors pinned down.
8.) Can keep aggressors from reaching a strategic vantage point or objective.
9.) Lighter weight AR's will benefit from a bump stock for a quicker rate of fire
10.) adding one to an AR-15 with a Geissele Super Dynamic trigger results in a rate of fire slightly slower than a full auto military M-16 but not by much.
5 and 6 apply to a SHTF situation (i.e. foreign invasion, revolution or civil war) occuring on American soil.
Cons
1.) highly inaccurate.
2.) high cost to expend ammo at a high rate of fire.
3.) not practical for most combat situations (except those described in the pro's).
4.) Heavier AR-15 setups affect the rate of fire and slow it down drastcally.
5.) You can use a wooden dowel or belt loop to bump fire.
6.) There are legal trigger kits out there that bump fire as well.
Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
I own two of them (and live outside the Denver city and county limits). I own a Slide Fire and a Bump Fire Systems.
I have tested the Slide Fire one at Dragonman's a year ago. My custom built AR was so heavy (9.0 lbs) it was largely ineffective and didn't fire very quickly. I was rather disappointed. I didn't get anywhere near the full auto feel. After three magazines, I stopped.
I have yet to try with my new S&W M&P 15 Sport II which is much much lighter than my custom built by nearly three pounds but I am curious to try it.
As we all know, painfully I might add, Denver City County voted to ban them yesterday. As usual it will do nothing. Feel-good, pointless law to make liberals feel better about themselves. [emoji849]
It won't stop criminals from going outside the city or state to buy them and bringing them back in to do harm with if they really wanted to. No one is gonna check their car or truck at the border. [emoji849]
I bought both of mine for two reasons.
1.) I shot full auto in the military and it was fun to do, so once in a while, it would be fun to do at the range.
2.) For that SHTF situation when you just might need full auto capability. (Yes, I know most military unit's are semi-auto or three round burst for greater accuracy and ammo conservation).
But another reason people buy them is it is entirely more cost effective than filling out an ATF Form 4, paying $200 for a tax stamp, waiting 6-18 months to get approved and then dropping $18,000+ on a full auto M-16.
$20,000 for all that?
or
$149 bump stock
$249 trigger
for full auto like legal (currently) fun?
The choice seems a little obvious to me.
So it seems to me, the NFA and the ATF have created this entire fiasco.
The NFA was created to keep catastrophic and full auto weapons out of the hands of civilians as much as possible.
ATF seemingly circumvented the NFA by allowing and approving bump stocks based on the fact that no modification to the trigger was done to enable it to increase the rate of fire , although it still allowed an accelerated rate of fire simulating near full auto rates.
So what happens when we as a nation have banned all the full auto weapons and banned and confiscated all bump fire stocks and some other country gets the idea to attack and/or invade us here and all these weapons are gone? How will we defend ourselves? A 5 million man/woman military force isn't going to cut it against a larger military force (Russia, China, etc).
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What is the need for a bump stock? Why would ANYONE need a bump stock?
Pro's
1.) for fun and entertainment at the range.
2.) because America.
3.) because 2nd Amendment.
4.) because we can.
5.) lays down suppression fire if your position is being overran.
6.) lays down suppression fire on large numbers of people advancing on you.
7.) Can keep aggressors pinned down.
8.) Can keep aggressors from reaching a strategic vantage point or objective.
9.) Lighter weight AR's will benefit from a bump stock for a quicker rate of fire
10.) adding one to an AR-15 with a Geissele Super Dynamic trigger results in a rate of fire slightly slower than a full auto military M-16 but not by much.
5 and 6 apply to a SHTF situation (i.e. foreign invasion, revolution or civil war) occuring on American soil.
Cons
1.) highly inaccurate.
2.) high cost to expend ammo at a high rate of fire.
3.) not practical for most combat situations (except those described in the pro's).
4.) Heavier AR-15 setups affect the rate of fire and slow it down drastcally.
5.) You can use a wooden dowel or belt loop to bump fire.
6.) There are legal trigger kits out there that bump fire as well.
Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
I own two of them (and live outside the Denver city and county limits). I own a Slide Fire and a Bump Fire Systems.
I have tested the Slide Fire one at Dragonman's a year ago. My custom built AR was so heavy (9.0 lbs) it was largely ineffective and didn't fire very quickly. I was rather disappointed. I didn't get anywhere near the full auto feel. After three magazines, I stopped.
I have yet to try with my new S&W M&P 15 Sport II which is much much lighter than my custom built by nearly three pounds but I am curious to try it.
As we all know, painfully I might add, Denver City County voted to ban them yesterday. As usual it will do nothing. Feel-good, pointless law to make liberals feel better about themselves. [emoji849]
It won't stop criminals from going outside the city or state to buy them and bringing them back in to do harm with if they really wanted to. No one is gonna check their car or truck at the border. [emoji849]
I bought both of mine for two reasons.
1.) I shot full auto in the military and it was fun to do, so once in a while, it would be fun to do at the range.
2.) For that SHTF situation when you just might need full auto capability. (Yes, I know most military unit's are semi-auto or three round burst for greater accuracy and ammo conservation).
But another reason people buy them is it is entirely more cost effective than filling out an ATF Form 4, paying $200 for a tax stamp, waiting 6-18 months to get approved and then dropping $18,000+ on a full auto M-16.
$20,000 for all that?
or
$149 bump stock
$249 trigger
for full auto like legal (currently) fun?
The choice seems a little obvious to me.
So it seems to me, the NFA and the ATF have created this entire fiasco.
The NFA was created to keep catastrophic and full auto weapons out of the hands of civilians as much as possible.
ATF seemingly circumvented the NFA by allowing and approving bump stocks based on the fact that no modification to the trigger was done to enable it to increase the rate of fire , although it still allowed an accelerated rate of fire simulating near full auto rates.
So what happens when we as a nation have banned all the full auto weapons and banned and confiscated all bump fire stocks and some other country gets the idea to attack and/or invade us here and all these weapons are gone? How will we defend ourselves? A 5 million man/woman military force isn't going to cut it against a larger military force (Russia, China, etc).
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