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CoGirl303
01-24-2018, 21:40
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/23/former-atf-gun-tech-chief-bump-stock-ban-will-lead-to-other-bans/

Former ATF Gun Tech Chief Rick Vasquez warns that the ATF’s current push to ban bump stocks will open the door to other bans.

A legislative push to ban bump stocks lost steam within a month of the October 1, 2017, Las Vegas attack. The public simply did not rally behind the gun control campaign. This left the ruling class no option but to take the regulatory route and seek bump stock gun control via ATF edict.

On December 22, 2017, Breitbart News reported (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/22/backdoor-gun-control-doj-bump-stocks/) that the ATF was formulating a redefinition of “machineguns” so that the term would cover “machineguns” and non-machineguns as well. Gun controllers have to do this because a bump stock does not convert a semiautomatic firearm into a “machinegun.” Rather, it allows a semiautomatic firearm to mimic full-auto fire in short bursts, but does so without converting the firearm’s action or allowing multiple rounds to be fired with a single trigger pull.

Even with a bump stock attached a semiautomatic firearm only shoots one round per trigger pull.

Moreover, under Barack Obama the ATF examined bump stocks and approved them for sale (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/04/obamas-atf-approved-bump-stocks-in-2010/) on the grounds that they are accessories, not conversion devices.

The ATF’s former gun tech chief is warning that efforts to redefine “machineguns,” for the the purposes of banning bump stocks, will only lead to more bans. He told the Military Arms Channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=723&v=IMw0g7m8IVE), “So ATF’s been directed to write a regulation with the strength of a law.” He said the advance notice copy of the new rule makes clear that the ATF’s new regulation will ban “any device that automatically resets a firearm and enhances the rate of fire.” He added, “That is extremely broad.”

Vasquez observed, “They are trying to target binary triggers, devices, and other devices, but that is such broad language, can I take that to a Gatling gun? …So now you start stretching this [new] definition, and who is going to decide what the [standard] rate of fire is?” In other words, Vasquez is saying a this new ban simply opens the door to “stretching” the language to cover other devices, as the ruling class sees fit.
On January 11, 2018, Breitbart News reported (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/gun-owners-america-bump-stock-gun-control-atf-bans/) that Gun Owners of America was taking the lead against bump stock gun control and sounding the alarm that the ATF’s bump stock ban would lead to other bans. They reacted to Vasquez’s statements by tweeting:

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Vasquez also stressed that[B] there will be no “grandfather clause” with a new ATF bump stock ban. This means individuals who refuse to turn over a bump stocks will immediately become a “prohibited person.”

This doesn't sound good at all. They're going after bump stocks and trigger systems AND seeking to redefine entirely what a machine gun is.

What is a prohibited person? What is that? and how do they know if you have one or not? How do they know it didn't break? Get lost? stolen?

Eric P
01-25-2018, 00:02
Time for Trump to end this rule making through executive authority he has over executive branches.

Wolfshoon
01-25-2018, 00:10
I'll be more interested when the Current BATFE chief says this, this guy is not in power anymore and this is his rhetoric.

I truly wish the atf would get its hand slapped off for essentially passing law without any say from congress and the president, who is supposed to make the laws of the land. Homeland security at the airports is almost as bad with it's over reach of power.

pickenup
01-25-2018, 00:24
It can't get that bad.....can it?

I mean the ATF once ruled that a "SHOESTRING" is a machine gun.
Yes, a 14 inch piece of string, used to lace up your boots or tennies.

DOC
01-25-2018, 02:05
They need to open up the machine gun registry.

Skip
01-25-2018, 09:21
They need to open up the machine gun registry.

Will we make the same plea when they ban semi-autos?

That's where this is all going. If they can define a non-machine gun as a machine gun there is no end.

But, as I've posted elsewhere, giving people the power to decide dangerous and unusual absent any objective tests (Miller) is a big problem. Even bolt guns could some day be in jeopardy.

Heard the one about guns only being legal for hunting and should be stored at the nearest LE facility? Yup. "We aren't taking your guns."

CoGirl303
01-25-2018, 09:33
Heard the one about guns only being legal for hunting and should be stored at the nearest LE facility? Yup. "We aren't taking your guns."

that's exactly what is done in Germany. You can own firearms but not posses any firearms in your home.

They must be stored and kept at a hunting club, hunting lodge or hunting resort and checked out and then returned at the conclusion of the hunt.

It's absurd.


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Great-Kazoo
01-25-2018, 09:44
I'll be more interested when the Current BATFE chief says this, this guy is not in power anymore and this is his rhetoric.

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Same tactic the left of center uses on a daily basis. Until there is a clear explanation how the chain of command works, And like the immigration debacle. Congress is suppose to make the laws. Every other agency follows, or suppose to follow. Instead they Interpret, according to their own feelings. Not by law, as it is written.

Gman
01-25-2018, 11:46
Instead they Interpret, according to their own feelings. Not by law, as it is written.
They also selectively enforce, ignoring some laws completely. This creates other problems that shouldn't exist based on law.

For example, if they enforced our immigration laws and didn't allow illegal immigration, then we wouldn't have to figure out what to do about children of illegal immigrants born in this country.

Irving
01-25-2018, 11:51
that's exactly what is done in Germany. You can own firearms but not posses any firearms in your home.

They must be stored and kept at a hunting club, hunting lodge or hunting resort and checked out and then returned at the conclusion of the hunt.

It's absurd.


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Then what keeps other countries from immediately invading them?

Gman
01-25-2018, 11:57
Then what keeps other countries from immediately invading them?
Military forces backed by NATO

Irving
01-25-2018, 11:58
Whoosh!

CS1983
01-25-2018, 12:03
Germany is being invaded, though in a soft manner.

Skip
01-25-2018, 13:08
Germany is being invaded, though in a soft manner.

Soft for now.

NATO is worthless because the US was compromised by the same people who want to radically transform. That brief moment of weakness (Obama) has had significant consequences for the world that will be felt for generations.

Imagine if the US were to completely lose its moral compass via an all powerful government that has disarmed it's citizens? The world doesn't know it but gun rights have been as important for them as for us.

Comical to watch anti-authoritarian Libs advocate for a gov monopoly on violence ("give our guns to Hitler"). But we've discussed that to death...

CoGirl303
01-25-2018, 19:05
Then what keeps other countries from immediately invading them?

I don't know. what does that have to do with anything?

Grant H.
01-25-2018, 20:29
Military forces backed by NATO


I don't know. what does that have to do with anything?

Nice work Irving! Well Done!

You got two! I laughed when I saw your comment, then it only got worse with these two...

Gman
01-25-2018, 20:51
Nice work Irving! Well Done!

You got two! I laughed when I saw your comment, then it only got worse with these two...
Well, I still don't 'get it'. Then again, I'm between surgeries and taking pain medication.

Irving
01-25-2018, 20:54
Nice work Irving! Well Done!


You got two! I laughed when I saw your comment, then it only got worse with these two...

I live to serve... ;)



Well, I still don't 'get it'. Then again, I'm between surgeries and taking pain medication.

Don't worry, you get a pass on this one.