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http://kdvr.com/2018/02/05/lawmakers-to-consider-bill-to-allow-legal-site-for-drug-injections-in-denver/
Long story short they want a place where people can legally shoot up heroin in public.... you know for safety sake. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the room when they came up with this one. I can't imagine they were sober. Perhaps they were even shooting up.
Just keeping up with Commifornia...
http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/SF-safe-injection-sites-expected-to-be-first-in-12553616.php
San Francisco is on track to open its first two safe injection sites this July, a milestone that will likely make the city the first in the country to embrace the controversial model of allowing drug users to shoot up under supervision.
Other cities — including Seattle, Baltimore and Philadelphia — are talking about opening their own safe injection facilities, but San Francisco could get there first. Facilities already exist in Canada, Australia and Europe.
KevDen2005
02-06-2018, 14:34
Reminds me of "The Wire"
Hamsterdam
Heroin is good because illegals can make money selling it.
Magazines are bad because citizens might use magazines to defend themselves from illegals.
Current (D) policy will always value the illegal alien felon over the law-abiding citizen.
StagLefty
02-06-2018, 15:32
Magazines and heroin can only be used once until they're all used up according to Colorado lawmaker [Sarcasm2]
Great-Kazoo
02-06-2018, 15:51
Should this be taught as a Safety and Educational course, before being allowed to participate? Like some advocate prior to gun ownership, it's just Common Sense.
wctriumph
02-06-2018, 16:05
Once they get the free injection sites, they will demand food and housing since the city is making sure that they cannot work due to their condition that was promoted and encouraged by the city. They are hard core drug users and probably stole something or money to buy the drugs in the first place. They should be arrested and forced to quit using drugs, take vocational rehabilitation. All of the states have some sort of training programs to help people enter that work force.
BushMasterBoy
02-06-2018, 16:15
I think the idea is that children and innocents don't get stabbed by dirty needles. Being addicted to opiates is a horrible thing. Being accidentally stabbed and receiving hepatitis C is worse. The rest of my thoughts are politically incorrect & resemble what the Chinese police used to do in the 1890's.
WTF, this is just wrong in so many ways. Maybe next year they can provide a safe place for rape, you know so the women can get medical attention if they need it when the guy is done with her. These people are stuck on stupid and it’s not fixable.
kidicarus13
02-06-2018, 16:38
Maybe next year they can provide a safe place for rape, you know so the women can get medical attention if they need it when the guy is done with her.
Hey, guys get raped too ...or so I've heard.
Bailey Guns
02-06-2018, 16:41
This has been going on in liberal enclaves for years. Disgusting is what it is. This is nothing more than a societal breakdown.
I think the point about the fact that people likely stole or robbed to get the heroin in the first place is a good one. Will dealers be allowed to sell their wares in this zone?? Do they just allow people to wander off all high to finance their next fix? Considering the freedoms that are being taken away this really makes me mad.
buffalobo
02-06-2018, 17:19
San Fran article says sites will be run by private money so city can avoid liability.
These sites won't last long when "client" leaves site after getting high and kills someone in auto accident. Private money can't afford to pay many liability claims involving death and negligence.
"The safe injection sites will initially be privately funded, though Garcia wouldn’t say where the money’s coming from. She said that will help the city avoid liability, since intravenous drug use is against state and federal law. Opening the sites doesn’t require the approval of the Board of Supervisors or other city officials."
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
Can we apply this to shooting in Denver...a range where you can go to safely shoot your illegally modified MGs and sawed off shotguns? And done with your high capacity magazines? And let's not forget the home made pop bottle silencers....
We need a safe space too!
bkincaid
02-06-2018, 18:19
I suspect this will be yet another epic fail.
What's next? Will one of the dims concoct the preposterous idea to allow the dealers to accept EBT via square or some other means?.....all in the name of preventing theft to support a habit.......
It's private money, so who cares?
Grant H.
02-06-2018, 18:54
I'm sure that openly accepting heroin use will help stop the killing of LEO in the state...
Oh, wait... No, it'll make it worse.
Damnit, I'm tired of the entirely anti-American agenda of liberals...
Solid blue state with a few red freckles. The end is near for this state.
It's private money, so who cares?
I would be willing to bet that our publicly funded police would not be allowed to walk in and arrest everyone on site for constructive possession and to have the place condemned as a public nuisance for increasing drug user traffic in the neighborhood.
Remember when we were promised the establishment of drug culture in CO would end at soft drugs?
https://i.imgur.com/TuKf61lh.jpg
I wonder if this might backfire though. As many of you point out, the sheer hypocrisy of nanny-staters telling us we can't own standard cap mags (for the children) but then condoning hard drug use is obvious. Think the soccer mommies are going to be cool with this?
Then you have the young folks coming of age in CO with relatively higher cost of living and taxes. Being told to work harder to get by while junkies are subsidized (and they are, don't give me any bullshit on this fact). That's a strong message to younger voters.
Remember when we were promised the establishment of drug culture in CO would end at soft drugs?
I wonder if this might backfire though. As many of you point out, the sheer hypocrisy of nanny-staters telling us we can't own standard cap mags (for the children) but then condoning hard drug use is obvious. Think the soccer mommies are going to be cool with this?
Then you have the young folks coming of age in CO with relatively higher cost of living and taxes. Being told to work harder to get by while junkies are subsidized (and they are, don't give me any bullshit on this fact). That's a strong message to younger voters.
Yes I do, since they make up a large portion of new heroine users.
Yes I do, since they make up a large portion of new heroine users.
You spelled "boxed wine from Lukas Liquors" wrong. ;)
But seriously... I don't know about the state but even if soccer mommy has a dope problem, she is full on NIMBY when it comes to others. What I've seen online is it's mostly males 20-30 with HH income under $50K. This is hard thing to measure though!
Honestly, I've been hearing about these places for so long, that I thought that it was already a thing. The most surprising thing in the article was that there aren't any in the US at all. I don't want to take away from anyone's outrage, but I just can't get all that excited about it. I'll see myself out. :)
Word is this probably wont pass. This does once again diminish the rule of law. The SanFran plan, and now this is city people not connected with reality. And gotta ask again. Why all the love for people that don't pay taxes?
hollohas
02-06-2018, 20:57
Why all the love for people that don't pay taxes?
A lot of them vote...
It looks like we should also establish a safe place for pedophiles to bring their dates.
Great-Kazoo
02-06-2018, 21:19
It looks like we should also establish a safe place for pedophiles to bring their dates.
No Kidding
Grant H.
02-06-2018, 21:31
It looks like we should also establish a safe place for pedophiles to bring their dates.
Wasn't hard to see this coming with the current coddling of mentally ill sexual deviants...
If some mental illness is allowed, why not allow all of it?
No Kidding
pun of the day
Grant H.
02-06-2018, 22:16
It looks like we should also establish a safe place for pedophiles to bring their dates.No Kiddingpun of the day
That's it, you win the internet for today!
colorider
02-06-2018, 22:45
Dig a little deeper on the whole subject. Was listening on the radio today (NPR of all places) that the state has spent half a million dollars supplying places like the public libraries with Narcan. They are also very proud of supplying police officers with Narcan so they can save junkies when they O.D. It was quite the interesting story they ran a few times today.
KevDen2005
02-06-2018, 23:02
Dig a little deeper on the whole subject. Was listening on the radio today (NPR of all places) that the state has spent half a million dollars supplying places like the public libraries with Narcan. They are also very proud of supplying police officers with Narcan so they can save junkies when they O.D. It was quite the interesting story they ran a few times today.
My department is using it at least once a week. And the heroin and fentanyl that we are seeing is requiring two sometimes three Narcan uses before being effective. Additionally the severe risk to public service workers (police/fire/medical) and even people like tow truck drivers. There was a case last year in another state that an assisting officer on a DUI arrest was conducting an inventory of the car before towing it and came in contact with Fentanyl. He collapsed and luckily his partner was there to administer the Narcan.
buffalobo
02-06-2018, 23:58
It's private money, so who cares?My beef is with responsibility and liability.
Obviously the addict is not taking responsibility for themselves.
City leaders in San Fran stated they were avoiding responsibility.
Only leaves private money whose identity is not disclosed to be sued in the advent of my example of negligence resulting in death.
So in the liability category we just need to decide on the number of dollars per person.
On responsibility side, what charge does addict face? Will they even be sentenced or will their addiction somehow negate/nullify it.
Two points
Govt appears to approve and facilitate these sites but does not accept responsibility or liability.
Nowhere in any of the articles was the base issue addressed - heroin addiction. The addict may get punished with jail for negligent death of some sort but is never held responsible for the addiction.
If you're unarmed, you are a victim
BPTactical
02-07-2018, 08:27
But lets not do anything to prevent the Heroin from coming into the state....
Stoopid on an industrial strength scale.
But lets not do anything to prevent the Heroin from coming into the state....
Stoopid on an industrial strength scale.
Bring out the tinfoil hat.
Are highly placed state officials getting a kick-back from heroin dealers? They're (D) so there is an excellent chance it isn't just a theory.
Great-Kazoo
02-07-2018, 09:21
But lets not do anything to prevent the Heroin from coming into the state....
Stoopid on an industrial strength scale.
Partly true, it's like illegals, a sanctuary state for drug use. People and politicians condemn it's use but turn a blind eye to it happening. One more thing that puts people dependent on the .gov and the leeches who subcontract for them.
As long as doctors continue to write scripts for opioids, people will be looking for a cheaper non-script alternative after their doctor cuts them off. IMPO there is or was no oversight for any of them.
The Physicians and federal mentality is
Oxycotin, OxycotinM (the added pleasure of morphine mixed in) = good since it's FDA approved
Medical (key word MEDICAL) MJ, it's non THC offshoot CBD's are the devils work and a schedule 1 (MJ) drug.
The rise in heroin use is, again IMO, for the most part fueled by a patient having their script discontinued. By that time so dependent on it they look for an easier to get alternative
If one were to see where the heroin increase has happened you will see it's in middle & upper middle class white neighborhoods. Not inner cities where crack once flourished.
Factor in Pharmacies, including Big Pharma and Physicians up in till recently fighting any legislation to police their own gives us the issues we have today.
I see your point there about pills leading to heroin. I really have to question how many people break a leg or something and then innocently end up eventually addicted to heroin. I feel like it's more likely that you've got people getting their hands on pills that aren't meant for them and taking them for fun. Eventually they're hooked and can't afford to buy them and turn to heroin. I have no real evidence to support this, just how I feel like it's more likely to happen.
KevDen2005
02-07-2018, 09:44
Partly true, it's like illegals, a sanctuary state for drug use. People and politicians condemn it's use but turn a blind eye to it happening. One more thing that puts people dependent on the .gov and the leeches who subcontract for them.
As long as doctors continue to write scripts for opioids, people will be looking for a cheaper non-script alternative after their doctor cuts them off. IMPO there is or was no oversight for any of them.
The Physicians and federal mentality is
Oxycotin, OxycotinM (the added pleasure of morphine mixed in) = good since it's FDA approved
Medical (key word MEDICAL) MJ, it's non THC offshoot CBD's are the devils work and a schedule 1 (MJ) drug.
The rise in heroin use is, again IMO, for the most part fueled by a patient having their script discontinued. By that time so dependent on it they look for an easier to get alternative
If one were to see where the heroin increase has happened you will see it's in middle & upper middle class white neighborhoods. Not inner cities where crack once flourished.
Factor in Pharmacies, including Big Pharma and Physicians up in till recently fighting any legislation to police their own gives us the issues we have today.
I personally think that doctors and medical facilities are doing better addressing opioid addiction when scripts run our are addressing possible issues before they arise. A lot of it comes from over medication (doctors who are violating the law and happens all the time). It also comes from the theft or production and sales on the street and pill form and then being unable to get them legally. There are also lots of ways that addiction to opioid can be addressed at the tax payer expense but addicts are not wanting to do that (some are and I commend them for that).
In over 10 years I have only seen a handful of cases where people truly wanted to escape their addiction and did so. Additionally I see lots of opioid addiction on the street that are not in needle or heroin form but in pill form. Rarely are the pills acquired legally or prescribed. I have seen it where people were once prescribed a narc in life and in many of those cases it has been years since their last prescription. I also have seen the vast majority of pill use by people who have never been prescribed a narc.
ETA: This is from my daily dealings and not from data collections.
Bring out the tinfoil hat.
Are highly placed state officials getting a kick-back from heroin dealers? They're (D) so there is an excellent chance it isn't just a theory.
(No tinfoil IMHO) Question
Partly true, it's like illegals, a sanctuary state for drug use. People and politicians condemn it's use but turn a blind eye to it happening. One more thing that puts people dependent on the .gov and the leeches who subcontract for them.
[snip]
Answer
The Dims profit immensely off the "hustle" culture and underground economies of any kind. These people get benefits from taxpayers and seldom/never pay taxes themselves, why wouldn't they vote Dim? The more dysfunctional people are in their own lives the more they need gov to take away the negative consequences.
And the less those same people pay attention to the issues keeping them useful. For example, how many Denver Dims understand the cozy relationship between the city, corporate developers, government backed funding, and the impact on "affordable housing?" Ah, but a middle class worker shouldn't get a tax cut. Nope, because we need "affordable housing." And then there's the ACA which was specifically marketed to deadbeat Millennials (look how that ended up) as free healthcare if you choose.
I don't think they have the mental capacity to figure out most issues!
It's a lifestyle. If I didn't have to subsidize it, and could protect my family, I wouldn't care.
KevDen2005
02-07-2018, 09:49
(No tinfoil IMHO) Question
Answer
The Dims profit immensely off the "hustle" culture and underground economies of any kind.
They at least use it for additional control and precedence. Supreme Court Case Law that started in California from Medical Marijuana. The dissent in the court was that the entire case was a California case and should not be seen in the federal court. However the case I believe was a 5-4 case and the The Court "Recognized" there is commerce amongst the states as well as "illegal" or "Black Market" commerce across the states or effecting the next state therefore giving court authority to make a ruling.
A little off topic but I always find this amusing
I personally think that doctors and medical facilities are doing better addressing opioid addiction when scripts run our are addressing possible issues before they arise. A lot of it comes from over medication (doctors who are violating the law and happens all the time). It also comes from the theft or production and sales on the street and pill form and then being unable to get them legally. There are also lots of ways that addiction to opioid can be addressed at the tax payer expense but addicts are not wanting to do that (some are and I commend them for that).
In over 10 years I have only seen a handful of cases where people truly wanted to escape their addiction and did so. Additionally I see lots of opioid addiction on the street that are not in needle or heroin form but in pill form. Rarely are the pills acquired legally or prescribed. I have seen it where people were once prescribed a narc in life and in many of those cases it has been years since their last prescription. I also have seen the vast majority of pill use by people who have never been prescribed a narc.
ETA: This is from my daily dealings and not from data collections.
Yeah, we're basically saying the same thing. I totally agree.
The Dims profit immensely off the "hustle" culture and underground economies of any kind. These people get benefits from taxpayers and seldom/never pay taxes themselves, why wouldn't they vote Dim? The more dysfunctional people are in their own lives the more they need gov to take away the negative consequences.
It's called moral hazard, the government creates it all the time. From the top of wall street right on down to the lowly meth head.
Colorado Springs already has safe injection sites lined up along fountain creek. [Sarcasm2] Not sure why there are so many in C/S when rec isn't sold [facepalm]
Just give druggies an unlimited supply for free. Self solving problem.
KevDen2005
02-07-2018, 11:38
Just give druggies an unlimited supply for free. Self solving problem.
LOL, I've mentioned this before to my supervisors....they did not agree
colorider
02-07-2018, 13:45
Save a junkie with Narcan just so he/she can recover and do it again. Good plan. I’m pretty calous when it comes to junkies overdosing. The problem solves itself and can’t return.
KevDen2005
02-07-2018, 13:50
Save a junkie with Narcan just so he/she can recover and do it again. Good plan. I’m pretty calous when it comes to junkies overdosing. The problem solves itself and can’t return.
The best part is when they fight us after they come back because they have warrants or new charges
Just give druggies an unlimited supply for free. Self solving problem.
I'm all for that and no narcan for junkies. Narcan should be used for LEO when they get exposed to heroin, etc.
Just give druggies an unlimited supply for free. Self solving problem.
Those numbers get counted toward opioid overdose numbers which then makes it difficult for us non-abusers to get our prescriptions.
Those numbers get counted toward opioid overdose numbers which then makes it difficult for us non-abusers to get our prescriptions.
Oh I hate that so much. I cut off about 1/4" of my thumb at one point, bone was sticking out, actually cut the bone some. Ran out of the meds they gave me at the ER and went to the Dr and they refused to give me more pain killers. Bone was literally still visible, it hurt like hell. I was told I couldn't get more pills because I was "exhibiting drug seeking behavior", I WAS seeking drugs, I'm in legitimate pain.
Those numbers get counted toward opioid overdose numbers which then makes it difficult for us non-abusers to get our prescriptions.
Nope, you should get all the drugs you want also for free. Abuse is a choice, which sounds like you wont make.
Oh I hate that so much. I cut of about 1/4" of my thumb at one point, bone was sticking out, actually cut the bone some. Ran out of the meds they gave me at the ER and went to the Dr and they refused to give me more pain killers. Bone was literally still visible, it hurt like hell. I was told I couldn't get more pills because I was "exhibiting drug seeking behavior", I WAS seeking drugs, I'm in legitimate pain.
I got 6 percoset when I cut my neck on that fence and got 27 stitches. That sucked after day 2.
When I went in after a car accident where I got T-boned, they asked if I wanted anything for pain. I said that would be good, as long they didnt give me anything super strong, as I do have to function at work. They gave me a handful of Flexoril and a script to get more. I had never taken that stuff before. I was having to ask my trainee where I left off during a process and falling asleep at my desk. Never finished those things.
Depends on who you get I suppose.
That's true I guess, it all depends on the Dr. There is some system they look in to see your history and I'm convinced I'm flagged in there as an abuser for some reason.
Heroin is good because illegals can make money selling it.
Magazines are bad because citizens might use magazines to defend themselves from illegals.
Current (D) policy will always value the illegal alien felon over the law-abiding citizen.
A friend of mine posted this on Facebook (She's a Denver cop. She said the courts are doing this to avoid ICE deportation of illegals)
"Check this out , this guy was arrested for murder and released on his own recognizance, this is Denver court, this isn’t the only county that’s doing this, it’s happening throughout the State and country, do you think our officers have a prayer of survival, think again, when this guy doesn’t show up for court and an officer attempts to pick him up, what do you think the odds are of him shooting and killing the officer. What a damn shame !! Feel free to share."
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/TangoDownPro/Denver%20Court%20PR%20Bond_zpsgkfzs6as.jpg
(http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/TangoDownPro/media/Denver%20Court%20PR%20Bond_zpsgkfzs6as.jpg.html)
CoGirl303
02-07-2018, 18:57
euthanasia by drug injection of their choice would be a better option.
A friend of mine posted this on Facebook (She's a Denver cop. She said the courts are doing this to avoid ICE deportation of illegals)
"Check this out , this guy was arrested for murder and released on his own recognizance, this is Denver court, this isn’t the only county that’s doing this, it’s happening throughout the State and country, do you think our officers have a prayer of survival, think again, when this guy doesn’t show up for court and an officer attempts to pick him up, what do you think the odds are of him shooting and killing the officer. What a damn shame !! Feel free to share."
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/TangoDownPro/Denver%20Court%20PR%20Bond_zpsgkfzs6as.jpg
(http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/TangoDownPro/media/Denver%20Court%20PR%20Bond_zpsgkfzs6as.jpg.html)
And that was a double murder, with a 3rd attempted.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.thedenverchannel.com/2488488796/2-in-custody-for-double-fatal-montbello-shooting-victims-identified.html
Nope, you should get all the drugs you want also for free. Abuse is a choice, which sounds like you wont make.
I was speaking to the current reality, not make-believe.
Our governor has made it very difficult for patients to obtain opioids.
Here’s how Colorado is combating the prescription opioid and heroin epidemic (https://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/05/colorado-prescription-opioid-heroin-epidemic-lawmakers/)
Flexeril is a muscle relaxer and is not an opioid.
I think they need heroin suppositories.
Great-Kazoo
02-07-2018, 21:43
I was speaking to the current reality, not make-believe.
Our governor has made it very difficult for patients to obtain opioids.
Here’s how Colorado is combating the prescription opioid and heroin epidemic (https://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/05/colorado-prescription-opioid-heroin-epidemic-lawmakers/)
Flexeril is a muscle relaxer and is not an opioid.
It's a mind eraser. Like waking up with a hang over on the 5th day of a 3 day binge.
KevDen2005
02-08-2018, 07:57
I just imagined the scene officers would walk up on - people OD'ing, pants down, ass in the air, ready for the narcan.
We already have retention issues. That would not help.
Simple question, can a 1st responder refuse to carry or dispense narcan? Based on religious, ethical, self safety concerns or other?
I lol'ed pretty hard. It's hard not to imagine a tired-as shit patrol guy pulling up, seeing hairy ass in the air, saying "nope"... and driving off while clearing the call.
We've been watching a show called Under Arrest, the Canadian version of "Cops", recently. There was an episode we saw yesterday that was just like that. Except the cops in Canada are super over friendly and they totally helped the guy. Dude had tried to break into a house with no clothes on, the found him face down in a field hairy ass in the air bleeding all over the place. Not sure if it's just because of the cameras but the officers on this show are way too nice.
Their drunk driving rules are so lax. They apparently just tow the persons car and forbid them from driving for 24 hours.
Their drunk driving rules are so lax. They apparently just tow the persons car and forbid them from driving for 24 hours.
But don't let you into the country if you have a DUI.
KevDen2005
02-08-2018, 12:25
Simple question, can a 1st responder refuse to carry or dispense narcan? Based on religious, ethical, self safety concerns or other?
I would say a lack of training or comfort or a reason you think it would be dangerous to do so. So safety is the main concern
KevDen2005
02-08-2018, 12:26
I lol'ed pretty hard. It's hard not to imagine a tired-as shit patrol guy pulling up, seeing hairy ass in the air, saying "nope"... and driving off while clearing the call.
Luckily the fire department is never that far away. When naked people are involved and bodily fluids....it's best to let them handle it
We've been watching a show called Under Arrest, the Canadian version of "Cops", recently. There was an episode we saw yesterday that was just like that. Except the cops in Canada are super over friendly and they totally helped the guy. Dude had tried to break into a house with no clothes on, the found him face down in a field hairy ass in the air bleeding all over the place. Not sure if it's just because of the cameras but the officers on this show are way too nice.
http://youtu.be/C_TfBbR6L0M
KevDen2005
02-08-2018, 12:35
We've been watching a show called Under Arrest, the Canadian version of "Cops", recently. There was an episode we saw yesterday that was just like that. Except the cops in Canada are super over friendly and they totally helped the guy. Dude had tried to break into a house with no clothes on, the found him face down in a field hairy ass in the air bleeding all over the place. Not sure if it's just because of the cameras but the officers on this show are way too nice.
I've met several Canadian Officers that are current and some that moved to the US. They tell me stories that I can't believe about how they treat people (not nice). I think I'm hard to deal with a lot and the stories they tell are ridiculous. Plus it is a lot more violent then people realize.
Partly true, it's like illegals, a sanctuary state for drug use. People and politicians condemn it's use but turn a blind eye to it happening. One more thing that puts people dependent on the .gov and the leeches who subcontract for them.
As long as doctors continue to write scripts for opioids, people will be looking for a cheaper non-script alternative after their doctor cuts them off. IMPO there is or was no oversight for any of them.
The Physicians and federal mentality is
Oxycotin, OxycotinM (the added pleasure of morphine mixed in) = good since it's FDA approved
Medical (key word MEDICAL) MJ, it's non THC offshoot CBD's are the devils work and a schedule 1 (MJ) drug.
The rise in heroin use is, again IMO, for the most part fueled by a patient having their script discontinued. By that time so dependent on it they look for an easier to get alternative
If one were to see where the heroin increase has happened you will see it's in middle & upper middle class white neighborhoods. Not inner cities where crack once flourished.
Factor in Pharmacies, including Big Pharma and Physicians up in till recently fighting any legislation to police their own gives us the issues we have today.
Medicaid, ObamaCare Driving Opioid Epidemic: Senate Report (https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/28134-medicaid-obamacare-driving-opioid-epidemic-senate-report)
I would say a lack of training or comfort or a reason you think it would be dangerous to do so. So safety is the main concern
I'm thinking more blood born disease concerns. Stab a druggie with a needle, who more likely than not has a nasty disease that could potentially infest you if it becomes violent upon revival.
KevDen2005
02-08-2018, 14:06
Our narcan is a nasal spray
I'm going to try to remember all this the next time I really start thinking my job sucks.
ETA: not to say your job sucks but the idea of giving narcan to someone in the midst of an OD sounds pretty horrible
Our narcan is a nasal spray
The one I had to get when prescribed opioids by my pain management doctor is an auto-injector. The little device tells you what to do once you remove it from the package. It injects into the thigh and retracts the needle back into the packaging. It's amazing what they can do with electronics these days.
KevDen2005
02-09-2018, 00:08
I'm going to try to remember all this the next time I really start thinking my job sucks.
ETA: not to say your job sucks but the idea of giving narcan to someone in the midst of an OD sounds pretty horrible
Most Narc OD is pretty much people going to sleep. It's not super crazy. The craziness comes after they come back.
Some days are worse than others like most jobs.
Yeah I hear that but when my job sucks nobody is going to die.
But is a druggie gonna die or already dead?
I say let natural selection run its coarse.
Actions do have consequences, these are still people that we're talking about here too. I think it's important to remember that not one of us is immune from making mistakes or bad decisions. Some mistakes and decisions just happen to be worse than others. This is by no means saying that it's okay to get to the point of an OD on heroin. Just saying we're still talking about a person here. I certainly don't think we should be giving people a space where making horrible decisions is accepted. Why don't we make special roads where we allow drunk driving while we're at it?
wctriumph
02-09-2018, 12:03
I was listening to talk radio this morning and they had on the lady that was saying that this is a needed service, the legislation has been delayed by the democrats because they want more time to decide on this after public comments. The people calling in from all over the state were, to a person completely against this service being provided. The lady in favor of the proposal tried to argue to no avail, she sounded completely out of touch with reality and just kept quoting the Denver had 174 heroin OD deaths last year that this program could have prevented. She could not quite articulate how the program would have prevented the deaths but ... we need the city and state to provide this service to get addicts off of heroin. It was a total cluster.
CoGirl303
02-09-2018, 21:19
I was listening to talk radio this morning and they had on the lady that was saying that this is a needed service, the legislation has been delayed by the democrats because they want more time to decide on this after public comments. The people calling in from all over the state were, to a person completely against this service being provided. The lady in favor of the proposal tried to argue to no avail, she sounded completely out of touch with reality and just kept quoting the Denver had 174 heroin OD deaths last year that this program could have prevented. She could not quite articulate how the program would have prevented the deaths but ... we need the city and state to provide this service to get addicts off of heroin. It was a total cluster.
boohoo for the Democrats. The Republicans are gonna kill this bill soon. Thankfully.
Any states that approve this nonsense, the facilities should be raided by DEA, the staff charged with felony possession of a controlled substance(s) with intent to distribute and the junkies charged with the same. 2 birds, 1 stone. too easy. Bye Felicia.
I am sick and tired of all the excuses made for these people. Sickness, disease, addiction, blah blah blah. Dont start, you wont have to worry about to getting hooked or how you're going to quit. They made a CHOICE. Those have consequences...positive or negative.
If you're stupid enough to put chemical junk like that into your body just to get a high or a fix, you dont deserve to live or have a body to take care of. Let them OD.
Yes I have fought addiction (nicotine and caffeine). Quit smoking 5+ years ago cold turkey. I'll never give up my caffeine. I make no excuses. I love my Dr. Pepper. Only difference is mine were legal. Theirs aren't.
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hurley842002
02-09-2018, 21:23
Actions do have consequences, these are still people that we're talking about here too. I think it's important to remember that not one of us is immune from making mistakes or bad decisions. Some mistakes and decisions just happen to be worse than others. This is by no means saying that it's okay to get to the point of an OD on heroin. Just saying we're still talking about a person here. I certainly don't think we should be giving people a space where making horrible decisions is accepted. Why don't we make special roads where we allow drunk driving while we're at it?I agree with you.
boohoo for the Democrats. The Republicans are gonna kill this bill soon. Thankfully.
Any states that approve this nonsense, the facilities should be raided by DEA, the staff charged with felony possession of a controlled substance(s) with intent to distribute and the junkies charged with the same. 2 birds, 1 stone. too easy. Bye Felicia.
I am sick and tired of all the excuses made for these people. Sickness, disease, addiction, blah blah blah. Dont start, you wont have to worry about to getting hooked or how you're going to quit. They made a CHOICE. Those have consequences...positive or negative.
If you're stupid enough to put chemical junk like that into your body just to get a high or a fix, you dont deserve to live or have a body to take care of. Let them OD.
Yes I have fought addiction (nicotine and caffeine). Quit smoking 5+ years ago cold turkey. I'll never give up my caffeine. I make no excuses. I love my Dr. Pepper. Only difference is mine were legal. Theirs aren't.
They aren't providing heroin.
"I'm a heroine addict. That means that I'm only attracted to women who have saved someone's life." ~Mitch Hedberg
KevDen2005
02-09-2018, 22:11
They aren't providing heroin.
"I'm a heroine addict. That means that I'm only attracted to women who have saved someone's life." ~Mitch Hedberg
My trainee uses "heroine" instead of "heroin" all the time. Drives me crazy. He doesn't understand the difference.
You mean like in writing?
My trainee uses "heroine" instead of "heroin" all the time. Drives me crazy. He doesn't understand the difference.
That would drive me insane too.
KevDen2005
02-09-2018, 23:49
You mean like in writing?
Yes...but it would be a much bigger problem and reflect very poorly if it was something other than writing.
The main point for me is that opioid deaths outnumber firearms deaths and the rate is growing. It's so frustrating that our "leadership" empathizes with the opioid crisis and thinks we're dangerous for wanting magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. Our hobby and means of self protection is treated as an offense worse than an opioid epidemic. A massive percentage of firearms owners are responsible and good people. 100% of heroin dealers are peddlers of death and social destruction. The collective thought process here is so distorted.
disclaimer: drunk and posting shit on the interwebz
KevDen2005
02-10-2018, 00:02
The main point for me is that opioid deaths outnumber firearms deaths and the rate is growing. It's so frustrating that our "leadership" empathizes with the opioid crisis and thinks we're dangerous for wanting magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. Our hobby and means of self protection is treated as an offense worse than an opioid epidemic. A massive percentage of firearms owners are responsible and good people. 100% of heroin dealers are peddlers of death and social destruction. The collective thought process here is so distorted.
disclaimer: drunk and posting shit on the interwebz
Honestly, that's a pretty well constructed paragraph for intoxication. Drink some more then do another post. I wanna see where this goes.
OtterbatHellcat
02-10-2018, 00:07
disclaimer: drunk and posting shit on the interwebz
Yeah, you're doing good. I generally have a buzz going on too.
Honestly, that's a pretty well constructed paragraph for intoxication. Drink some more then do another post. I wanna see where this goes.
On it!
Okay as per your request @KevDen2005 I've been drinking and thinking on this topic. Having had a brother and a cousin get torn into heroin addiction the topic hits pretty close. They've both come out of it, so far. My opinion in terms of life and the government though is that the state should stay out of my and your lives. I think we should be free to make all decisions for our selves detrimental or beneficial, my life my choices, get the hell out of my life. I don't think the state should give anyone a "safe place" to do anything, but should let us all live the way we want where we want when we want. The consequences of our actions are ours to own. If I choose to get too drunk in a public place and act stupid then I deserve to get my ass kicked. If I get to the point of overdose and die then that's my fault. Overall people aren't as stupid as we like to say they are .... hahaha actually yeah they are. Point being is let people be free, treat everyone as a person, if they get out of line then drop the hammer. By that I mean we should punish adverse behavior and not the stimulus that leads to it. Hope I don't read this tomorrow and think I'm a fool. Please don't encourage me to drink and post again because I don't like to embarrass my self. <3
get off my lawn!
P.s I was buzzed for that first post... Had to cover an eye to see what I was typing for the last one
Okay as per your request @KevDen2005 I've been drinking and thinking on this topic. Having had a brother and a cousin get torn into heroin addiction the topic hits pretty close. They've both come out of it, so far. My opinion in terms of life and the government though is that the state should stay out of my and your lives. I think we should be free to make all decisions for our selves detrimental or beneficial, my life my choices, get the hell out of my life. I don't think the state should give anyone a "safe place" to do anything, but should let us all live the way we want where we want when we want. The consequences of our actions are ours to own. If I choose to get too drunk in a public place and act stupid then I deserve to get my ass kicked. If I get to the point of overdose and die then that's my fault. Overall people aren't as stupid as we like to say they are .... hahaha actually yeah they are. Point being is let people be free, treat everyone as a person, if they get out of line then drop the hammer. By that I mean we should punish adverse behavior and not the stimulus that leads to it. Hope I don't read this tomorrow and think I'm a fool. Please don't encourage me to drink and post again because I don't like to embarrass my self. <3
get off my lawn!
Still not drunk enough..... spelling is still there, (even if punctuation is missing) haha.... unless you are just clicking the red squiggly line... LMAO
I wholly agree with what you said. Too often these days, lessons are taught the soft ways. We, as a humans, do not learn the soft ways. If a lesson is to be learned, there should be a solid consequence. We have replaced offense, ridicule, mortality, losing, and physical pain with safe spaces, warning stickers, participation ribbons, and bubble wrap. I learned the hard way. Offended, grow a pair, or learn their POV. Talk shit, back it up or get smacked. Lose, go home tired and dirty. Almost learned the mortality one, but it tied into pain. Didn't like it much.
As you may know, I am housing a recovering (not heroine) addict. It has not been a fun path for myself, my wife, or them. You cannot typically do these things locally, as "sources" are too close. This meant relocating a mother about 900 miles away from their children and hometown. Looking back, it really boils down to their mentality about life and how real life occurs. It is still difficult to get routine household chores done (such as taking out the trash/cooking dinner) when they think that the roof over their head is free.
OtterbatHellcat
02-10-2018, 07:34
P.s I was buzzed for that first post... Had to cover an eye to see what I was typing for the last one
Hell,...you did great.
KevDen2005
02-10-2018, 07:57
Okay as per your request @KevDen2005 I've been drinking and thinking on this topic. Having had a brother and a cousin get torn into heroin addiction the topic hits pretty close. They've both come out of it, so far. My opinion in terms of life and the government though is that the state should stay out of my and your lives. I think we should be free to make all decisions for our selves detrimental or beneficial, my life my choices, get the hell out of my life. I don't think the state should give anyone a "safe place" to do anything, but should let us all live the way we want where we want when we want. The consequences of our actions are ours to own. If I choose to get too drunk in a public place and act stupid then I deserve to get my ass kicked. If I get to the point of overdose and die then that's my fault. Overall people aren't as stupid as we like to say they are .... hahaha actually yeah they are. Point being is let people be free, treat everyone as a person, if they get out of line then drop the hammer. By that I mean we should punish adverse behavior and not the stimulus that leads to it. Hope I don't read this tomorrow and think I'm a fool. Please don't encourage me to drink and post again because I don't like to embarrass my self. <3
get off my lawn!
Oh man, I went to bed right after that and now am enjoying my coffee. I felt like you could have been more drunk though.
I somewhat agree with you. I do believe government has some responsibility in keeping its citizens safe and hence that is the purpose of government. Whether it be through deterrent or consequence or some other action. There is a fine line between providing that safe space and over stepping a Constitutional boundary. This a line that Local LE walks probably more than most government organizations ( I could be wrong). I don't agree that hard drugs should be legalized not because you shouldn't have a right to do them in the privacy of your own home but more the impact that it has on the community. For instance a meth addict gets high, fires a round at common law wife and attempting to kill her or just acting stupid while on meth, I don't know. Do you think he gives up when the police show up. No, it costs the tax payers lots of money to get all the SWAT officers and negotiators and commanders out of their beds, get equipment and have a standoff with this person. When the standoff isn't ending within so many hours, another SWAT team arrives to relieve the first one and so on. Or how about the addict of any kind that doesn't have money to pay for their habit and takes your stuff to pay for it or damages your property to do it. Or gets high on any one of those and kills a family member on the road way. DUI driving (including drugs) is up 21 percent this year. And that's without making anything additional legal. The very conservative person inside of me says, in the PRIVACY of your home do what ever you want, but in public, now you made it everyone else's problem, including mine.
ETA: I realize I am counter arguing an intoxicated person, I'm hoping you're sober when you read this.
Also, you're not nearly drunk enough if there aren't any drunk texts or random drunk messages.
Great-Kazoo
02-10-2018, 10:03
Worst hangover ever.
As compared to ?
theGinsue
02-10-2018, 10:18
As compared to...EVER.
BushMasterBoy
02-10-2018, 11:35
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/affidavit-suspect-claims-natalie-bollinger-19-hired-him-through-craigslist-to-kill-her
Here is a crime that involves heroin and a gun. Lady puts out a craigslist ad wanting to somebody to kill her. Guy volunteers to do it for a fee. All sorts of crazy anymore.
If you think you're going to be worried about drunk posting, log out of the site before you start drinking and uncheck the "remember me" box. If you can't get past your password while looking at asterisks, then you probably shouldn't post anything anyway.
KevDen2005
02-10-2018, 16:59
If you think you're going to be worried about drunk posting, log out of the site before you start drinking and uncheck the "remember me" box. If you can't get past your password while looking at asterisks, then you probably shouldn't post anything anyway.
You are so responsible....
which makes things less entertaining
Are you kidding? I'd try my password until I got locked out trying to get on. Both eyes open, one eye open, both eyes closed, whatever it takes.
KevDen2005
02-10-2018, 17:13
Are you kidding? I'd try my password until I got locked out trying to get on. Both eyes open, one eye open, both eyes closed, whatever it takes.
You know you're eventually just gonna get it, just save the trouble and sin boldly.
JohnnyDrama
02-10-2018, 18:09
The main point for me is that opioid deaths outnumber firearms deaths and the rate is growing. It's so frustrating that our "leadership" empathizes with the opioid crisis and thinks we're dangerous for wanting magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. Our hobby and means of self protection is treated as an offense worse than an opioid epidemic. A massive percentage of firearms owners are responsible and good people. 100% of heroin dealers are peddlers of death and social destruction. The collective thought process here is so distorted.
disclaimer: drunk and posting shit on the interwebz
Emphasis added by me.
...Kinda late to the party.....
The last several posts before we got onto drunk and posting brought to mind a couple of books I read a ways back. The first was "Prozac Nation" written by Elizabeth Wurtzel in 1994. The second was "Drug War Addiction" by Bill Masters in 2001. A common take away was that those in the positions of power, or "leadership" as izzy put it, aren't interested in fixing the problem. They will however treat symptoms and keep the suffering at a tolerable level so that the victims don't truly hit bottom hard enough to decide to do something about it on their own.
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