What is the collective thought on Century WASR 10 rifles?

[kpp80202]

I’ve read the PSA on Century’s US made AKs, but I don’t know much about other AK “brands” these days. I see the $1,000+ ones online, but those seem a bit excessive for my needs (which are reliability and 3-4 MOA accuracy). Please let me know your thoughts on the $600-700 Century-imported WASRs, thanks!

Kevin

[SouthPaw]

The two Century GP1975's that I had never missed a lick. I've always had issues with certain mags not fitting but other than that, they are great. My PAPM92 feels no different than the Century's. Always check for canted sights.

[def90]

The WASR is a fine AK. Look up AK Operators Union on YouTube and watch his WASR vids. They will be a bit rougher in finish than an Arsenal but will still run. AKs will come with varying degrees of canted barrel components and as long as it sights in it will be considered ok. Be sure to look over the rifle and verify that things are straight before buying. If buying online use Atlantic Firearms as they do a cursory inspection for things like canted sights/barrel components on their AKs before shipping them out as well as they have a pretty good reputation for customer service in regards to returns and so on.

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[Vitesse304]

WASR's are good, and are about the only decent priced import anymore. But at $700...that's high compared to what they were selling for just 3 years ago.
Most AK shooters prefer imports over the american builds. However, keep in mind that even the imports are "fixed" to have enough 922r compliant parts, so they are still considered manufactured by Century.

If you're looking for a WASR, keep your eyes open for the AK63DS as well. It's a Hungarian build and every bit as good as a WASR. Also be open to the N-PAP which is a Yugoslavian build. Those seem to be the only ones left being imported still as stock of the other flavors of AK's has dried up.

[Circuits]

Current and recent WASRs are better than they used to be. They've got a 20-year import history, and the earlier ones were notorious for sloppily-enlarged magwells and canted sight and gas blocks. The magwells could be fixed, and the cant didn't affect function, just aesthetics.

[SouthPaw]

I picked up mine from a LGS for $429.... 3-4 years ago. I really hope AK's get down to AR pricing.

[kpp80202]

Thanks for the input! Looks like canted sights is the big inspection issue, in addition to the normal "walk around"

[SouthPaw]

Thanks for the input! Looks like canted sights is the big inspection issue, in addition to the normal "walk around"

I'd also check mag fitament. Between the two I had, one would accept double stack mags with ease, the other took a little filing to make it fit better.

[Great-Kazoo]

this

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gb2-liberty-moekov-rifle-516446444.html



or this deal o the day

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-blem-ak-47-rifle-set-with-matching-serial-numbers.html

[def90]

Personally, I don't think the PSA AKs have been a proven commodity yet. They have shown some of the same failures with extractors and other parts as DDI. I would pick the WASR any day over them. WASR made in the same plant as military contract AKs with forged trunnions and original combloc barrels..

vs a US startup.

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[def90]

Or you can buy a kit and tooling and build your own.. or in my case what started out as one has turned into a dozen or so. Once you start actually "building" rifles vs screwing on a barrel nut you will be hooked.

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[KevDen2005]

I'm glad to see a lot of positives on the WASR. I have owned a couple and never had any issues with them and they were a ton of fun.

The AK snobs will tell you how much they suck, but I was not a witness to any issues.

[kpp80202]

Thanks for the input, guys. I'm not sure I'm ready to buy more tooling for my purposes (though it does sound fun...).

[SouthPaw]

this

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gb2-liberty-moekov-rifle-516446444.html



or this deal o the day

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-blem-ak-47-rifle-set-with-matching-serial-numbers.html

I have always been a fan of not always believing what you read because you only find the bad stuff but a LEO friend in Kentucky purchased PSA-AK and had this 'rear tang' snap off:

https://s13.postimg.org/h2ltb7qqv/jesseo.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I am not too versed in AK anatomy but this is a pretty crucial piece and he is lucky it broke when he was reassembling it.

[kpp80202]

a LEO friend in Kentucky purchased PSA-AK and had this 'rear tang' snap off:

https://s13.postimg.org/h2ltb7qqv/jesseo.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I am not too versed in AK anatomy but this is a pretty crucial piece and he is lucky it broke when he was reassembling it.

Wow!

[SouthPaw]

Wow!

He sent me pictures and I couldn't believe my eyes. He called PSA and they just asked him to send it back and they will refund/replace.. scary stuff.

Had him resend me the picture of his rifle:

https://s13.postimg.org/dbc8on59z/jesseo.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/yxr95o3ub/)

[KevDen2005]

I have always been a fan of not always believing what you read because you only find the bad stuff but a LEO friend in Kentucky purchased PSA-AK and had this 'rear tang' snap off:

https://s13.postimg.org/h2ltb7qqv/jesseo.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I am not too versed in AK anatomy but this is a pretty crucial piece and he is lucky it broke when he was reassembling it.

Don't know much about the PSA AKs at all. But that doesn't sound very good.

[Great-Kazoo]

I had everything but the bbl, bcg and rds in the spares bin Bbl ran $89 BCG $100 both from bear creek arsenal Threw a binary trigger in and road tested this morning [Beer]


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So if you want something in a 7.62x39 caliber, not wanting to pay current market on AK's not knowing how it was put together there's always option B

[def90]

PSA AKs are starting to show abnormal failures.. Have never heard of a real AK folder crack.. but here is a PSA AK folder that has cracked.. A number of other issues out there, broken extractors, abnormal peening and wear on bolt/trunnion contact surfaces..

Basically no one in the US has figured out how to build something the rest of the world has been building for roughly 67 years or so.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335168

IO, Century, DDI and now PSA.. All ticking time bombs. DDI showed some promise but they bailed as soon as someone offered them some money, makes you wonder how they felt about the viability of what they were putting out long term.

[Great-Kazoo]

PSA AKs are starting to show abnormal failures.. Have never heard of a real AK folder crack.. but here is a PSA AK folder that has cracked.. A number of other issues out there, broken extractors, abnormal peening and wear on bolt/trunnion contact surfaces..

Basically no one in the US has figured out how to build something the rest of the world has been building for roughly 67 years or so.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335168

IO, Century, DDI and now PSA.. All ticking time bombs. DDI showed some promise but they bailed as soon as someone offered them some money, makes you wonder how they felt about the viability of what they were putting out long term.

Never had an issue with my Arsenal side folders.

[Circuits]

PSA AKs are starting to show abnormal failures.. Have never heard of a real AK folder crack.. but here is a PSA AK folder that has cracked.. A number of other issues out there, broken extractors, abnormal peening and wear on bolt/trunnion contact surfaces..

Basically no one in the US has figured out how to build something the rest of the world has been building for roughly 67 years or so.


They know how, but can't be price-competitive against giant government-subsidized arms factories in foreign lands, with our low production volume and higher labor and materials costs.

[def90]

They know how, but can't be price-competitive against giant government-subsidized arms factories in foreign lands, with our low production volume and higher labor and materials costs.

I agree it costs more to do it right but the prints and production specs are widely available so there shouldn't be any R&D costs. In the case of IO and Century they have to know their product is a heaping piece of shit and they just don't care.

Arsenals sell for over $1k.. these American companies keep trying to sell in the $600 range.. Plenty of room for them to charge more if they can make a quality product. People pay over $2k for Rifle Dynamics AKs so..

[Circuits]

I agree it costs more to do it right but the prints and production specs are widely available so there shouldn't be any R&D costs. In the case of IO and Century they have to know their product is a heaping piece of shit and they just don't care.

Arsenals sell for over $1k.. these American companies keep trying to sell in the $600 range.. Plenty of room for them to charge more if they can make a quality product. People pay over $2k for Rifle Dynamics AKs so..
It's not about R&D - it's about capital outlay - millions of dollars for big honking machines and a factory dedicated to making AKs in the massive quantity necessary to get a quality product's price point down that low. Clearly the US market demand does not support the capital investment required to make quality AKs at a price point you deem appropriate.

[KevDen2005]

It's not about R&D - it's about capital outlay - millions of dollars for big honking machines and a factory dedicated to making AKs in the massive quantity necessary to get a quality product's price point down that low. Clearly the US market demand does not support the capital investment required to make quality AKs at a price point you deem appropriate.

Well now that everyone owns five or six AR platforms maybe they are gonna do the same with AK style rifles.

[ben4372]

I picked up mine from a LGS for $429.... 3-4 years ago. I really hope AK's get down to AR pricing.

This is funny for people that remember when you could buy 3 AKs for one AR.

[Great-Kazoo]

This is funny for people that remember when you could buy 3 AKs for one AR.

3? Shotgun news ran a front page ad back in 84-65 pushing Polytec Milled receiver AK's for $250 each. $200 if you purchased 3 or more. They'd throw in a case of norinco copper washed steel case for another $75.

[beast556]

I remember mak90's with a 75rd drum for 199$. I got my first AK a Hungarian sa85 for 295$. We will never see cheap ak's again. Clinton's barrel ban has caught up with us.