New security at Buell theater

[DenverGP]

http://www.9news.com/article/news/local/security-changes-coming-to-the-buell-theatre-february-13/73-516931895



Beginning Tuesday, every entrance at Buell will have a metal detector. Bags must be smaller than 12" by 12" and Denver Arts and Venues is recommending patrons arrive an hour before the show.

[Irving]

Arrive an hour before the show? I bet the opened a bar in the waiting area as well, if they didn't already have one.

[MrPrena]

They will also crack down on people who bring in their own snacks.

[Big E3]

At least dirt bags have another group of guaranteed unarmed people to accost on their way to and from the theater. Oh well, another place I'll never go again.

The same reason I gave up my Rockies season tickets. When I quit renewing my Rockies tickets and they called to ask why. After I explained the metal detectors, he said “You’re afraid of being attacked in Coors field”. I said, “No you expect me to walk the streets to and from Coos Field unarmed”. I told him I would come back if they provide a place to lock up my gun during the game. He didn't have an answer and hung up.

[BushMasterBoy]

I have twelve metal detectors. One for every day of the week. It is an addiction. I can't wait until I find my first gold nugget. The theater...meh!

[brutal]

Probably form all of us bragging here about carrying there.

Is the CCC next?

[vectorsc]

It’s all next. Everywhere. Because liberals.

[Duman]

This new measure will certainly cut down on the astronomically high crime rate at the Buell theatre.

[BushMasterBoy]

OK, I did some internet recon. The two plays coming up, are "Stomp" and "Hamilton". Stomp is about guys that make music by beating on garbage cans. Hamilton is a story about a revolutionary named Alexander Hamilton. So you can see the need for extra security!

[Aloha_Shooter]

OK, I did some internet recon. The two plays coming up, are "Stomp" and "Hamilton". Stomp is about guys that make music by beating on garbage cans. Hamilton is a story about a revolutionary named Alexander Hamilton. So you can see the need for extra security!

Meh, revisionary history from urbanites who seem to detest everything Hamilton and Madison stood for.

[CoGirl303]

OK, I did some internet recon. The two plays coming up, are "Stomp" and "Hamilton". Stomp is about guys that make music by beating on garbage cans. Hamilton is a story about a revolutionary named Alexander Hamilton. So you can see the need for extra security!

if you saw the number of angry people on facebook who didnt get a good lottery number to buy Hamilton tickets, you'd probably better understand the Buell's position. (*sarcasm*)


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[.455_Hunter]

I know this view is not popular here, but I believe that any "open to the public" public or private venues/businesses/arenas should ONLY be able to restrict legal carry when the following are in effect:

- Full screening at ALL entrances for ALL personnel EVERY TIME. Letting the employees, performers, roadies in and out the back entrance with just an ID lanyard while John Q. Public gets the rubber glove at the main entrance is not an acceptable security posture.

- Mandated levels of armed security and liability insurance.

- Provide secure storage for patron and customer weapons while they are on the property.

The above would apply to any location where the public expects to gain access, ticket or not. It would not apply to private homes or SECURE businesses like Lockheed Martin Waterton Canyon, but definitely would apply to any mall, theater, store, sports arena or performance venue.

Being able to restrict citizen carry should be legal, but PAINFUL...

[Skip]

I know this view is not popular here, but I believe that any "open to the public" public or private venues/businesses/arenas should ONLY be able to restrict legal carry when the following are in effect:

[snip]

Being able to restrict citizen carry should be legal, but PAINFUL...

I agree! If a person is going to create a security vacuum, he has a moral responsibility to fill it. Should be civil and potentially criminal liability for failing to do so.

Oh but "my property." Well... About that baker...

We all know why the Buell has this policy. There hasn't been a rash of "gun violence" at the theatre. Denver's Lib elite aren't comfortable with their political enemies carrying anywhere near them. Same reason Denver Co won't issue CCW.

[TFOGGER]

I know this view is not popular here, but I believe that any "open to the public" public or private venues/businesses/arenas should ONLY be able to restrict legal carry when the following are in effect:

- Full screening at ALL entrances for ALL personnel EVERY TIME. Letting the employees, performers, roadies in and out the back entrance with just an ID lanyard while John Q. Public gets the rubber glove at the main entrance is not an acceptable security posture.

- Mandated levels of armed security and liability insurance.

- Provide secure storage for patron and customer weapons while they are on the property.

The above would apply to any location where the public expects to gain access, ticket or not. It would not apply to private homes or SECURE businesses like Lockheed Martin Waterton Canyon, but definitely would apply to any mall, theater, store, sports arena or performance venue.

Being able to restrict citizen carry should be legal, but PAINFUL...

I like this. I think that any venue that was financed with tax dollars (think the football stadium, Coors field, DCPA), or receives any tax dollars, should have to provide secure storage for patrons. As should government buildings like courthouses(as required by CRS 18-12-214(4)), that meet the requirements for security in other respects. It always grinds my gears that they can choose which parts of the law they choose to comply with.

[CoGirl303]

Same reason Denver Co won't issue CCW.

what am I missing? They have concealed carry permit paperwork and instructions on the website.

[BushMasterBoy]

I don't wish anyone pain. If I can't carry a firearm in a place, I just don't go there. 95% of all theater seats test positive for fecal coliform anyways.

[Skip]

what am I missing? They have concealed carry permit paperwork and instructions on the website.

Because CO is a "shall issue" state.

The joke was that Denver is a "shall deny" county. I don't know if it's still that way or not.

[CoGirl303]

Because CO is a "shall issue" state.

The joke was that Denver is a "shall deny" county. I don't know if it's still that way or not.

Oh, I did not know that.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I like this. I think that any venue that was financed with tax dollars (think the football stadium, Coors field, DCPA), or receives any tax dollars, should have to provide secure storage for patrons. As should government buildings like courthouses(as required by CRS 18-12-214(4)), that meet the requirements for security in other respects. It always grinds my gears that they can choose which parts of the law they choose to comply with.

Ding, ding. I've spoken with the likes of Pepsi Center and some other venues about AT LEAST providing an on premise storage system for those of us that carry. Just beating my head on the wall I know, but it MIGHT help to voice these opinions on them about our rights and needs just so we can go to their damn venue to see some entertainment that we might be interesting in seeing. I do not like going downtown without carry, I do not like going anywhere without my carry.

[Ah Pook]

Sounds insurance liability driven. Been to the Buell theater maybe three time in 20 years. There are smaller venues, in Denver, that already have security with wands. Doesn't make sense unless there is pressure from somewhere.

Gun/knife free zones are great targets.

[Doc45]

As to the ccw Denver has to and does follow the state shall issue law. A good friend got hers last month, took almost the full 90 days.

[brutal]

I know this view is not popular here, but I believe that any "open to the public" public or private venues/businesses/arenas should ONLY be able to restrict legal carry when the following are in effect:

- Full screening at ALL entrances for ALL personnel EVERY TIME. Letting the employees, performers, roadies in and out the back entrance with just an ID lanyard while John Q. Public gets the rubber glove at the main entrance is not an acceptable security posture.

- Mandated levels of armed security and liability insurance.

- Provide secure storage for patron and customer weapons while they are on the property.

The above would apply to any location where the public expects to gain access, ticket or not. It would not apply to private homes or SECURE businesses like Lockheed Martin Waterton Canyon, but definitely would apply to any mall, theater, store, sports arena or performance venue.

Being able to restrict citizen carry should be legal, but PAINFUL...

Like.

It's not just not carrying while attending an event, it's not being able to carry from a lot to a venue that is also a non-starter for me to go anywhere.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

The same reason I gave up my Rockies season tickets. <snip>

Vegas (concert) aside, I expect that a future “big event” will probably be at a sporting event like MLB or NFL, and it won’t be guns.
That being for terrorists obviously, not whatever it was we saw in Vegas. No idea if it’ll be trucks or planes or what, and I don’t think a place like the Buell theater is a big enough target, and probably not NBA/NFL.

I still like going to the Avalanche on occasion, and Coors field on even more rare occasion and I agree with you completely - but, food for thought.

Also completely agree with the sentiment of us going through half-assed detectors, and low-level hot dog sellers rolling through the back with the lanyard ID. BTW, I have an almost 2 year old who has seen a lot of hockey for her age. Which means I have a diaper bag. I don’t [bring contraband], but I have 100% certainty I could smuggle just about anything in. 1 in 5 bag checkers does a real job, and everyone is annoyed with the 1. (Me too)

[buffalobo]

I agree! If a person is going to create a security vacuum, he has a moral responsibility to fill it. Should be civil and potentially criminal liability for failing to do so.

Oh but "my property." Well... About that baker...

We all know why the Buell has this policy. There hasn't been a rash of "gun violence" at the theatre. Denver's Lib elite aren't comfortable with their political enemies carrying anywhere near them. Same reason Denver Co won't issue CCW.

Misinformation is a weapon of the left and intellectually dishonest.

[BushMasterBoy]

I'm with Lebowski on this, threats are going to get more sophisticated. The times have changed.

[Skip]

Misinformation is a weapon of the left and intellectually dishonest.

It was common knowledge even after the law was passed Denver didn't want to issue. Forgive those us with memories...

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20030509/reluctant-officials-must-accept-gun-per

There actually isn't much still left on the web that details it going back this far.

Before shall issue in 2003, absolutely forget about it!

Even lately they play games...

https://www.denverpost.com/2013/02/27/denvers-would-be-concealed-carry-permit-holders-face-months-of-delay/#?returnUrl=https://www.denverpost.com/2013/02/27/denvers-would-be-concealed-carry-permit-holders-face-months-of-delay/?clearUserState=true

https://thecrimereport.org/2013/02/28/2013-02-delays-carry-permits-co/

https://colorado.concealedcarry.com/2013/01/18/what-the-increased-demand-means-in-your-county/


Here's one of our own...

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/18749-ccw-for-Denver


Here are the overwhelming (recent) number of applications that Denver has to deal with per Sheriff that cause these "delays"...

https://www.muckrock.com/foi/denver-145/firearm-policies-procedures-guidelines-denver-county-sheriff-26933/

2015: 703
2016: 946

[Irving]

Even lately they play games...

https://www.denverpost.com/2013/02/27/denvers-would-be-concealed-carry-permit-holders-face-months-of-delay/#?returnUrl=https://www.denverpost.com/2013/02/27/denvers-would-be-concealed-carry-permit-holders-face-months-of-delay/?clearUserState=true


Jesus. Hopefully she has gotten a better belt and better pants by now.

[Skip]

Jesus. Hopefully she has gotten a better belt and better pants by now.

[LOL]

I didn't even notice that. I think it was a "file photo" but damn. At least the trigger is covered?

[buffalobo]

It was common knowledge even after the law was passed Denver didn't want to issue. Forgive those us with memories...

Key is was, got any recent info?

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20030509/reluctant-officials-must-accept-gun-per

There actually isn't much still left on the web that details it going back this far.

Before shall issue in 2003, absolutely forget about it!

15 years ago, applies today how?

Even lately they play games...

https://www.denverpost.com/2013/02/27/denvers-would-be-concealed-carry-permit-holders-face-months-of-delay/#?returnUrl=https://www.denverpost.com/2013/02/27/denvers-would-be-concealed-carry-permit-holders-face-months-of-delay/?clearUserState=true

https://thecrimereport.org/2013/02/28/2013-02-delays-carry-permits-co/

https://colorado.concealedcarry.com/2013/01/18/what-the-increased-demand-means-in-your-county/

Those articles are 5 yrs old, one updated 2 years ago.


Here's one of our own...

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/18749-ccw-for-Denver

There were as many commenting how they got theirs in less than alloted time as complaining didn't


Here are the overwhelming (recent) number of applications that Denver has to deal with per Sheriff that cause these "delays"...

https://www.muckrock.com/foi/denver-145/firearm-policies-procedures-guidelines-denver-county-sheriff-26933/

2015: 703
2016: 946

Your evidence is pretty weak due to being old and outdated. Denver may still be intentionally slow issuing but that still does not make your statement true. Any evidence that "Denver won't issue"?

[buffalobo]

Sorry Skip, not trying to beat you up but your statement was too far out there. I agree completely with rest of your original post.

We all know Denver's rulers do not want us to be armed at all in any way.

I personally think the changes at Buell are driven as much by production companies who bring these shows as by local morons who book them.

[brutal]

Like Denver, El Paso has been slammed with those seeking a permit, said Joe Roybal, spokesman for the sheriff’s department.

From Jan. 2 to Feb. 22, 2012, there were 461 permits processed, Roybal said. In that same time span this year, 1,304 permits were processed, he said.

Despite the appointments, Roybal said the department works in a timely manner.

“We are very sensitive to the 90-day waiting period,” he said.


It's not a waiting period you doofus.

[UrbanWolf]

At least dirt bags have another group of guaranteed unarmed people to accost on their way to and from the theater. Oh well, another place I'll never go again.

The same reason I gave up my Rockies season tickets. When I quit renewing my Rockies tickets and they called to ask why. After I explained the metal detectors, he said “You’re afraid of being attacked in Coors field”. I said, “No you expect me to walk the streets to and from Coos Field unarmed”. I told him I would come back if they provide a place to lock up my gun during the game. He didn't have an answer and hung up.

Lol I bet you scared him shitless.

[Skip]

Your evidence is pretty weak due to being old and outdated. Denver may still be intentionally slow issuing but that still does not make your statement true. Any evidence that "Denver won't issue"?

Like I said, it was my recollection. I was born in Denver in the late 70s. Lived in Aurora, Denver, Parker, and how the Ranch. I have seen a lot of anti-gun bullshit. It was a factor in my decision to leave Denver (again) in 2006. If it weren't for the anti-gun BS I might still live there.

You think the leadership/values have completely rolled over in 15 years? It's gotten worse! And it absolutely matters because the only support for CCW in Denver is external to Denver.

I should have qualified my comment.



Sorry Skip, not trying to beat you up but your statement was too far out there. I agree completely with rest of your original post.

We all know Denver's rulers do not want us to be armed at all in any way.

I personally think the changes at Buell are driven as much by production companies who bring these shows as by local morons who book them.

The Buell is owned by the City of Denver. This was part of my outrage and agreement. What good is "shall issue" when the City can ban CCW in public spaces? How is this different from a city owned park, or even a public road?

Bold=Exactly!

If anyone thinks Denver would be issuing CCW absent shall issue (2003), Heller, McDonald, and the continued threat of litigation, they need their head examined. The Shitty Council just passed a mag ban more strict (no grandfathering) than the state ban and bump stock ban!