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In this thread we post ideas to prepare and hedge for a potential ban. The ideas are not just for our benefit but future generations that may have to address the sewer of Liberalism that we have allowed to overflow. I am typing this out because I wish someone would have done so for me ~20 years ago.
We don’t need to debate gun control here, we all agree.
No, I am not giving up and neither should you. But it is foolish not to prepare and important to spread the word to younger gun owners who have little experience in the area.
DO NOT ADVOCATE VIOLATING THE LAW
What we know…
Libs are coming for our guns
They are coming at us at the national, state, and local level
They are immune to facts/reason and thus we can’t negotiate although they state otherwise
They have targeted modern semi-automatic rifles for strategic reasons
They use hyperbole and fear to sway public opinion
They are supported by events we as gun owners are powerless to stop (ban on school CCW)
Events that contradict anti-gun narratives are not reported to present one view of guns
Rights are now defined by public opinion (Democracy replaces Republic)
The Constitution doesn’t mean anything, nor do historic USSC decisions
Burying your guns is pretty much useless (Libs love that talk)
What we don’t know…
Exactly which guns will be banned
If the bans will be by function, model, or feature
If banned guns will be grandfathered/transferable
If they will attempt a de-facto ban (tax on ammo, ownership tax on firearms, licensing requirements)
How long we would have before such a ban is imposed
The level of enforcement, criminal and personal penalties for violation
If there will be incentives for reporting of friends/family/neighbors
On ARs…
Being that we live in CO, it is too late to legally stock up on standard capacity magazines. It is not too late to buy as much 5.56MM as needed to feed the guns you already own. I would plan on 2-5K rounds for each AR depending on how often you shoot. If no ban happens, rotate through this stock as you shoot recreationally. There’s enough time to check inventory and put in an order at SGAmmo.
Buy replacement parts kits now. If a ban shuts down manufacturers it might be difficult/expensive to find parts in the future. Springs don’t last forever.
It is also not too late to start acquiring reloading tools/components. During the ObamaScare primers were nearly impossible for find for a couple of years.
Feature bans are useless. I don’t think they’ll go that route again but if they do, a neutered AR is still an AR. I’ve loved my MT6601 since they day I bought it! Will never sell it. It was the closest example of the M16A2 I was issued that I could find during the ’94 ban years.
Long guns…
I would strongly recommend folks start looking into collectibles to broaden their collections. Older weapons have survived even the NYSafe Act. Milsurps are also heirlooms and investments. I can’t believe the prices of M1 Carbines, M1s, and even M1903s lately. Don’t even get me started on M1911/A1s! I wish I would have gone wildly into debt buying some of these back in the day while everyone else was buying M4 clones and Glocks.
The M1 Garand is an excellent rifle! They can currently be found for $800-1,200 in decent shape. While semi-automatic, the internal magazine exempts it from currently proposed bans. They can be had in .30-06 (the Lord’s caliber) or .308/7.62MM. Both are highly effective and considerably more frightening to me than 5.56MM seeing the results.
Yes, the ammo is more expensive and you have to get rounds specifically for the Garand (I like Prvi). This reinforces the doctrine of the Rifleman; one shot…
We have a thread on these at: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/163240-M1-Garands
There are “tanker” variations with shorter barrels for closer work.
I can reload an M1 just as fast as an AR with a little practice. There are companies that are making tactical carriers for clips. The M1 takes a bayonet which for some reason scares the living shit out of Libs (Berkeley protest flashbacks?).
I have yet to see any legislation proposed regulating clips. Although you can get 2, 3, and 5 round M1 clips specifically for hunting.
You will need to learn irons. Mounting optics is obviously a challenge on older milsurps. You can drill the receiver but then you have altered the original configuration (a potential future ban issue) and cut the collector’s value.
An M1903/1917 is slower, harder to reload, but can shoot as far as you can see. An old man with a bolt gun is formidable foe. The longer the distance, the more chances a person has (space=time=safety). Look for “high number” M1903s (or A3) that will maintain their value as a shooter (I think the heat treat issue is overblown myself but the market is the market).
If someone were to see a milsurp rifle in the statist future, they wouldn’t think “scary black rifle” per their programming. These rifles easily pass for hunting rifles, and a lot of hunters still use them to this day. Someone ignorant about guns couldn’t really tell or articulate the difference between an M1 and a vintage hunting rifle.
Handguns…
Nearly all modern manufacturers currently make smaller cap mags for common semi-autos for ban states. Some also make single stacks of popular designs. I have P226s and P239s for this reason—I don’t have to learn a platform based on where I am (CCW or home). I have 10 rounders for my P239 so it can do double-duty when I’m traveling (rare these days).
If a universal mag ban goes in to effect, companies like Mecgar and ProMag will sell out of 10 rounders fast because the industry isn’t tooled/stocked for a national ban.
If “pre-ban” mags are legal you will see crazy prices for standard capacity magazines. I recall paying $80 for a 13 round G21 mag only to see them be sold for $120 a few months later. I only had two 10 round mags for my first P226 for about a year because the dealers didn’t have any to sell at any price.
I don’t know that the milsurp route is a good one here. The M1911/A1s are beautifully engineered masterpieces gifted to mankind by John Moses Browning (PBUH). The downside is these are ridiculously expensive and so collectible most of us wouldn’t want to risk carrying one.
We see very little interest in banning handguns other than regulating magazine capacities but that could change. If you CCW, you will want something won’t get you in trouble in the event you have a self-defense shoot.
Zundfolge
02-20-2018, 19:05
Buy what you want because you want it. If they ban it down the road, then you have to decide if you will obey the law or not.
But changing your purchasing habits now because of what the antis might do in the future is basically handing them victory in advance.
The "preemptive purchase" option has been ended by universal background checks for us Coloradoans since "off paper" is a prerequisite for preemptive purchases.
Buy what you want because you want it. If they ban it down the road, then you have to decide if you will obey the law or not.
But changing your purchasing habits now because of what the antis might do in the future is basically handing them victory in advance.
Who doesn't want an M1 Garand?
[fail]
I'm saying hedge. Instead of buying your 10th AR, buy an M1, and do it before you can't afford one.
Zundfolge
02-20-2018, 19:18
Who doesn't want an M1 Garand?
I don't really ... well that is to say there's dozens of guns I'd rather have before I'd expend resources toward a Garand (impending bans or not). And M1 Carbines are horrible ... there, I said it.
Now one of those cool Uberti 1873 carbines with a "Codymatic" action job ... that might be a nice ban proof gun.
KevDen2005
02-20-2018, 19:19
Long guns…
I would strongly recommend folks start looking into collectibles to broaden their collections. Older weapons have survived even the NYSafe Act. Milsurps are also heirlooms and investments. I can’t believe the prices of M1 Carbines, M1s, and even M1903s lately. Don’t even get me started on M1911/A1s! I wish I would have gone wildly into debt buying some of these back in the day while everyone else was buying M4 clones and Glocks.
The M1 Garand is an excellent rifle! They can currently be found for $800-1,200 in decent shape. While semi-automatic, the internal magazine exempts it from currently proposed bans. They can be had in .30-06 (the Lord’s caliber) or .308/7.62MM. Both are highly effective and considerably more frightening to me than 5.56MM seeing the results.
Yes, the ammo is more expensive and you have to get rounds specifically for the Garand (I like Prvi). This reinforces the doctrine of the Rifleman; one shot…
We have a thread on these at: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/163240-M1-Garands
There are “tanker” variations with shorter barrels for closer work.
I can reload an M1 just as fast as an AR with a little practice. There are companies that are making tactical carriers for clips. The M1 takes a bayonet which for some reason scares the living shit out of Libs (Berkeley protest flashbacks?).
I have yet to see any legislation proposed regulating clips. Although you can get 2, 3, and 5 round M1 clips specifically for hunting.
You will need to learn irons. Mounting optics is obviously a challenge on older milsurps. You can drill the receiver but then you have altered the original configuration (a potential future ban issue) and cut the collector’s value.
An M1903/1917 is slower, harder to reload, but can shoot as far as you can see. An old man with a bolt gun is formidable foe. The longer the distance, the more chances a person has (space=time=safety). Look for “high number” M1903s (or A3) that will maintain their value as a shooter (I think the heat treat issue is overblown myself but the market is the market).
If someone were to see a milsurp rifle in the statist future, they wouldn’t think “scary black rifle” per their programming. These rifles easily pass for hunting rifles, and a lot of hunters still use them to this day. Someone ignorant about guns couldn’t really tell or articulate the difference between an M1 and a vintage hunting rifle.
I would love to get another M1 but I would like to get a Carbine as well. I have always wanted one.
I don't really ... well that is to say there's dozens of guns I'd rather have before I'd expend resources toward a Garand (impending bans or not). And M1 Carbines are horrible ... there, I said it.
Get off my lawn.
I would love to get another M1 but I would like to get a Carbine as well. I have always wanted one.
Carbines are a hit at our family shoots. But they are mag fed and would fall under a function ban with a less-than-optimal round. They are great ranch/house guns but I wouldn't want one in the field. I have a Winchester and would love to pick up a second for cheap just can't believe current prices.
[snip]
Now one of those cool Uberti 1873 carbines with a "Codymatic" action job ... that might be a nice ban proof gun.
There you go!
Scanker19
02-20-2018, 19:43
I don't really ... well that is to say there's dozens of guns I'd rather have before I'd expend resources toward a Garand (impending bans or not). And M1 Carbines are horrible ... there, I said it.
Blasphemy!!!!!
73574
The M1 Garand is an excellent rifle! They can currently be found for $800-1,200 in decent shape. While semi-automatic, the internal magazine exempts it from currently proposed bans. They can be had in .30-06 (the Lord’s caliber) or .308/7.62MM. Both are highly effective and considerably more frightening to me than 5.56MM seeing the results.
I'm worried about a full semi-auto ban which would include my beloved M1. I'm torn right now between an A2Clone Ar or getting an M1 off the CMP when I get my interest free loan back from the IRS.
Great-Kazoo
02-20-2018, 20:00
Really surprised people are worried what they may not be able to buy down the road. One would think the predictions of an actual Hillary win, everyone would be top heavy in the gun dept.
Really surprised people are worried what they may not be able to buy down the road. One would think the predictions of an actual Hillary win, everyone would be top heavy in the gun dept.
I am.
The 22-27ish me was wanting.
Blasphemy!!!!!
73574
I'm worried about a full semi-auto ban which would include my beloved M1. I'm torn right now between an A2Clone Ar or getting an M1 off the CMP when I get my interest free loan back from the IRS.
Everything I have read is focused on the function including detachable magazines. An M1 diversifies.
Doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
Great-Kazoo
02-20-2018, 20:06
I am.
The 22-27ish me was wanting.
If (key word) If something serious goes down, i'll pay off this house and another with a Buy It Now Price fire sale.
If (key word) If something serious goes down, i'll pay off this house and another with a Buy It Now Price fire sale.
[LOL]
I’m a hoarder. I can’t part with anything. Only two guns I ever sold was my G21 and a Rem Viper 522 because I absolutely hated them.
Every time I look at something I think I can eventually use it in some way.
CoGirl303
02-20-2018, 20:51
I'll throw an iron in the fire.
If a ban does take place, it wont be through gun confiscation...it'll come via a Democratic Presidents Executive Order directing all ammunition companies to be forbidden from the sale of ammunition to civilian personnel.
It will be done under the guise of "needs of the country" or some other bs along those lines and justified to a Liberal Court and that will be the end of it. They will manufacture some sort of "crisis" to fortify it.
All of our firearms will be rendered useless once we run out of ammo.
Libs will be grinning ear to ear: enjoy your useless paper weights.
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Shooter45
02-20-2018, 20:51
[LOL]
I’m a hoarder. I can’t part with anything. Only two guns I ever sold was my G21 and a Rem Viper 522 because I absolutely hated them.
Every time I look at something I think I can eventually use it in some way.
I'm the same way. I get more attached guns than people. I have bought a few rifles years ago in hopes of selling them in the future; yet they're still sitting in the safe.
I'm on the hunt for a Henry All Weather in .357, cool rifle and versatile in use.
I'll throw an iron in the fire.
If a ban does take place, it wont be through gun confiscation...it'll come via a Democratic Presidents Executive Order directing all ammunition companies to be forbidden from the sale of ammunition to civilian personnel.
It will be done under the guise of "needs of the country" or some other bs along those lines and justified to a Liberal Court and that will be the end of it. They will manufacture some sort of "crisis" to fortify it.
All of our firearms will be rendered useless once we run out of ammo.
Libs will be grinning ear to ear: enjoy your useless paper weights.
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Except for the billions of rounds already in civilian hands. Properly stored ammo has a very long shelf life. There's still World War 1 stuff being shot today...a hundred years later.
Great-Kazoo
02-20-2018, 23:30
Once again reloading items will stat escalating in price. [Alrigh]
Of course this puts any P&A mfg, vendor and all the sub contractors literally out of work. IF something were to go down.
94-95 was the dawn of build outside the box startups. Muzzle brakes for Threaded AR, Thumb hole look a likes for no p/grip buttstock. 922 comp parts for imports. Americans are a tinkering bunch. we'd build repeating black powder guns and the Hate America and Freedom crowd would still be outraged.
IMO they'll be damn surprised at the monster they created.
Since when has a ban on anything worked? Prohibition reduced crime, right? [hahhah-no]
Drugs have been illegal for a long time. The war on drugs is over, right?
Jeffrey Lebowski
02-21-2018, 07:16
But changing your purchasing habits now because of what the antis might do in the future is basically handing them victory in advance.
I tend to agree although I think most of us went all in on the Magpul airlift. I did, and I certainly didn’t *need* anything.
I also shifted from my G17 towards more G19 due to the ban, only to find I ended up really liking it more.
I hedged against the '94 ban...LOL. If you don't have something you want, get it now while prices are good. Stock up on ammunition including what you plan to shoot not just SHTF. One thing that I also did is get my son's collection and I gifted him the mags before the CO ban; he turns 18 this year and he will have everything he needs. Also, put collections in trusts for the kids before legislation is passed. However, if the libtards get their way; our constitutional republic is pretty much dead anyway and we'll have much bigger problems.
[LOL]
I’m a hoarder. I can’t part with anything. Only two guns I ever sold was my G21 and a Rem Viper 522 because I absolutely hated them.
Every time I look at something I think I can eventually use it in some way.
I've sold twice as may as I currently own. If I kept every last firearm I've ever owned I'd need a couple new safes. For me unless it's something really special, if I haven't shot it in a year it goes.
I'll throw an iron in the fire.
If a ban does take place, it wont be through gun confiscation...it'll come via a Democratic Presidents Executive Order directing all ammunition companies to be forbidden from the sale of ammunition to civilian personnel.
It will be done under the guise of "needs of the country" or some other bs along those lines and justified to a Liberal Court and that will be the end of it. They will manufacture some sort of "crisis" to fortify it.
All of our firearms will be rendered useless once we run out of ammo.
[snip]
I think that's likely to be one of the last things they would try. The only pushback we have seen from state level bans is that the restrictions can't be arbitrary or 100%.
Even now they are saying "you can have a gun, just not this one." Of course we know that's a slippery slope, but it's the one Scalia created in Heller.
If they banned all ammo it would be a de-facto 2A repeal.
They can ban military "bullets" as other countries have done. But banning popular civilian calibers is a probably too much even with Lib judges. The beauty of the AR is that so many are chambered in .223REM which is not a military caliber. 7.62MM is .308 (not a military caliber).
They're invested in creating fear of the gun, not the bullet.
It is more likely that the price of ammo goes up or they attempt some kind of tax on ammunition with reporting and licensing requirements. This is why I said buy ammo now.
During previous panics we saw lots of ammo being resold at a premium. You never know who the seller really is and how that ammo's been handled. There were also people buying reloads to try and save money. I would never shoot someone else's reloads (commercial or individual).
A KB after a ban with grandfathering would be devastating.
Except for the billions of rounds already in civilian hands. Properly stored ammo has a very long shelf life. There's still World War 1 stuff being shot today...a hundred years later.
Yes and modern ammo is more stable. Ammo cans help too. CO is a great climate for guns/ammo because it is so dry. An annual wipe down of CLP and I've never seen a spec of rust.
colorider
02-21-2018, 11:46
Here is a scenario. A dem gets into office and uses the current California laws as a starting point in his/her gun plan. What a shit scenario.
Stock up on 80% lowers...
A real way to hedge against a ban would be to get out of this echo chamber and, politely, join another echo chamber to bring a different opinion. And I don't just mean showing up, starting a gun thread, and demand to debate with facts. Join a forum that interests you, act like a normal adult human, not some internet troll, and have regular conversations to establish yourself as an asset to a community for reasons beyond being a gun expert.
Example: if I help my neighbor mow her lawn, shovel her walk, and fix the leak under her sink, she's going to have a much greater respect for my opinions, but more importantly will see me as an equal community member that brings value to everyone around me and not someone she wants to ostracize just because we hold different beliefs. If I'm just a shut-in that lives across the street, never interacts with anyone, and just rants about guns in my yard, well then screw that guy, who cares if we piss him off to get what we think we want, he's already pissy and glares at us, so what will change?
A real way to hedge against a ban would be to get out of this echo chamber and, politely, join another echo chamber to bring a different opinion. And I don't just mean showing up, starting a gun thread, and demand to debate with facts. Join a forum that interests you, act like a normal adult human, not some internet troll, and have regular conversations to establish yourself as an asset to a community for reasons beyond being a gun expert.
Example: if I help my neighbor mow her lawn, shovel her walk, and fix the leak under her sink, she's going to have a much greater respect for my opinions, but more importantly will see me as an equal community member that brings value to everyone around me and not someone she wants to ostracize just because we hold different beliefs. If I'm just a shut-in that lives across the street, never interests with anyone, and just rants about guns in my yard, well then screw that guy, who cares if we piss him off to get what we think we want, he's already pissy and glares at us, so what will change?
LIKE
Grant H.
02-21-2018, 12:37
A real way to hedge against a ban would be to get out of this echo chamber and, politely, join another echo chamber to bring a different opinion. And I don't just mean showing up, starting a gun thread, and demand to debate with facts. Join a forum that interests you, act like a normal adult human, not some internet troll, and have regular conversations to establish yourself as an asset to a community for reasons beyond being a gun expert.
Example: if I help my neighbor mow her lawn, shovel her walk, and fix the leak under her sink, she's going to have a much greater respect for my opinions, but more importantly will see me as an equal community member that brings value to everyone around me and not someone she wants to ostracize just because we hold different beliefs. If I'm just a shut-in that lives across the street, never interacts with anyone, and just rants about guns in my yard, well then screw that guy, who cares if we piss him off to get what we think we want, he's already pissy and glares at us, so what will change?
Everyone here needs to read this...
And then read it again.
Working on my team lead with the hearts and minds approach. He's a liberal, simply. Gonna try to get him out to the range on our off days.
hollohas
02-21-2018, 22:01
Out of curiosity I pulled up PSA to see how things looked. They are straight sold out of lower parts kits.
Everyone that wants an AR basically has one at this point. They are cheap as shit right now. All those people are apparently stocking up on parts now.
KevDen2005
02-21-2018, 22:06
Everyone here needs to read this...
And then read it again.
You know how I feel about reading
KevDen2005
02-21-2018, 22:08
Out of curiosity I pulled up PSA to see how things looked. They are straight sold out of lower parts kits.
Everyone that wants an AR basically has one at this point. They are cheap as shit right now. All those people are apparently stocking up on parts now.
I didn't know PSA sold anything these days. Every time I pull up their site it says, "Temporarily Out of Stock"
You know how I feel about reading
Only while driving?
KevDen2005
02-21-2018, 22:24
Only while driving?
I don't have a chauffeur as of Sunday so I'll have to read at stop lights and in slow moving traffic
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2018, 00:54
I don't have a chauffeur as of Sunday so I'll have to read at stop lights and in slow moving traffic
There's always time at work to take a few off reading.
KevDen2005
02-22-2018, 07:48
There's always time at work to take a few off reading.
Nah, what if command or a supervisor sees me in the building...they'll ask me to do something.
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2018, 08:17
Nah, what if command or a supervisor sees me in the building...they'll ask me to do something.
Tell then you're making a doughnut run. Glazed or chocolate? [Coffee]
KevDen2005
02-22-2018, 09:13
Tell then you're making a doughnut run. Glazed or chocolate? [Coffee]
Exactly and you know I can't be trusted with that many donuts
Stock up on 80% lowers...
I've thought this through a bit, maybe you can tell me where I'm wrong...
An 80% gives me the same functional thing as my ARs/lowers (of which I have several and one for each child). A feature/function ban would still apply to finished lowers.
A finished lower presents the same dilemma as a manufactured lower in a ban.
I could keep it unfinished but then it has no utility.
Your list didn't include Ruger Mini-14s.
Your list didn't include Ruger Mini-14s.
M-1A also missing for a reason.
Magazine fed semi-auto. Look at the proposals and you'll see they are being very broad this time.
Which is why I don't think there will be a feature ban like in '94, I think they will go for function.
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2018, 12:53
M-1A also missing for a reason.
Magazine fed semi-auto. Look at the proposals and you'll see they are being very broad this time.
Which is why I don't think there will be a feature ban like in '94, I think they will go for function.
You're thinking, when you should have known this day would come. It's not about limiting mag capacity, type of semi auto, triggers or other gun related items. It's about confiscation and outright gutting of the 2nd Amendment by emotional Fiat.
Hillary lost, the russian interference is going no where, so the overt coup d'etat which has been failing at every turn is gathering steam for another go at it.
Gun Control being a hot topic since Clinton's term has never looked more opportune for the D's and every other Hate America, Hate Trump, Hate Freedom, stealing my Oxygen piece of shit. Throw every RINO who had their political ass handed to them in 16 doing anything to make Trump look bad.
Yeah it's the perfect storm.
Any you Mi' Amigo and every other serious gun owner is in it's path.
You're thinking, when you should have known this day would come. It's not about limiting mag capacity, type of semi auto, triggers or other gun related items. It's about confiscation and outright gutting of the 2nd Amendment by emotional Fiat.
Hillary lost, the russian interference is going no where, so the overt coup d'etat which has been failing at every turn is gathering steam for another go at it.
Gun Control being a hot topic since Clinton's term has never looked more opportune for the D's and every other Hate America, Hate Trump, Hate Freedom, stealing my Oxygen piece of shit. Throw every RINO who had their political ass handed to them in 16 doing anything to make Trump look bad.
Yeah it's the perfect storm.
Any you Mi' Amigo and every other serious gun owner is in it's path.
I agree. And I've pointed out, this is no longer a debate, but an prelude to political violence. It is "battlespace" prepping.
In my mind it will be incremental gutting of 2A and I have no idea how quickly it will happen. They will go for the most capable weapons against them and them and keep going. As I've stated: Rifles win wars. Mag fed semi-autos are modern rifles. This is why they have built populist support to ban them and pimp school shootings with black rifles (to keep the pressure on). The facts on "gun safety" betray this push (more people are murdered with pistols)--it is only rational in the context of political violence.
During the incremental gutting there will likely be an "oh shit" threshold society crosses and people (of some unknown quantity/quality) finalize realize we are in deep and decide action is needed. The Libs want this realization to happen after complete disarmament or as close to it as possible.
This is how the game is played and why 2A (the hidden hand of balance) has held bad people back for generations. It is a significant obstacle that cannot be dismantled head-on.
If your 80% receivers/ARs are buried they are worthless. You aren't getting that gun into a fight without significant lead time.
If you have, say an M1, you can get a gun into a fight quickly. If you can't shoot and move, but have a bolt gun, you are valuable.
At the very end, all our chances goes away (one way or another).
Remember the "Liberator?"
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/liberator_pistol-tfb-tm.jpg
What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?
How tragic would it be if patriots were completely disarmed (in whole or practice) because all they owned were ARs?
That is the point of this thread.
Diversity is our strength
Buy some beautiful milsurps that will be the very last to be banned. Learn how to run them. If nothing happens, the good people have collectible firearms/heirloom guns.
I'm not saying give up. We need to fight. We need to make this a red line while being prepared for what happens if it is crossed.
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2018, 14:42
old time car antenna, rubber band with bb stuck to it and lots of 22's
old time car antenna, rubber band with bb stuck to it and lots of 22's
This isn't that kind of thread, but I like your style.
[Coffee]
Are zip guns making a comeback?
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2018, 16:54
This isn't that kind of thread, but I like your style.
[Coffee]
Thanks, 22 shorts on tar beach Brooklyn, early 60's
Are zip guns making a comeback?
If need be. Isn't that what the left is pushing for. A return to single shot rifles?
Thanks, 22 shorts on tar beach Brooklyn, early 60's
Didn't you give me a hard time the other day because you thought I was from Brooklyn?
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2018, 17:08
Didn't you give me a hard time the other day because you thought I was from Brooklyn?
Not a hard time, just curious what part of the east coast youz from . Bhastin ?
Not a hard time, just curious what part of the east coast youz from . Bhastin ?
lol .. gotcha, yeah I'm from Boston, moved to Rhode Island junior year in high school then straight back to Boston for college
eta: I mean whateva guy
lol .. gotcha, yeah I'm from Boston, moved to Rhode Island junior year in high school then straight back to Boston for college
eta: I mean whateva guy
Masshole.....
[Beer]
Aloha_Shooter
02-23-2018, 11:23
old time car antenna, rubber band with bb stuck to it and lots of 22's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Luy502C920
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